Re: [Mailman-Users] New user - Mailman question
At 5:38 PM -0700 2004-08-21, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote: You may think my ISP's spamware is stupid and for all I know you may be right. Auto-whitelist management systems (such as TMDA) are greatly despised amongst much of the Internet community. I don't know if your ISP is using this particular package or not, but I make a policy of refusing to communicate with anyone who uses such a system. And if someone who uses a system like this is posting to a mailing list I'm on, I am not likely to be very kind in my public responses to the way their mail system is treating me. My intention was - as it is with any new list I join - to wait for the first digest to appear in my suspect Email box, authorize it and then merrily read the daily digests. Instead, by the time I returned from dinner, I was criticised and reviled by the group. If you're going to use this kind of a system, you need to wait for the first few messages (or digests) to show up before you post a message to the list, and you should warn people that you have such an anti-spam system in use. If nothing else, you need to get a flavour for the sort of discussions that happen on the list before you jump in head first. Posting to the list immediately after subscribing is generally considered to be rude, unless you've done your homework and checked out the archives of the list, and you can make sure that your post fits in with the style and flavour of the list. For that matter, before posting to any list, you should search the archives and the FAQ, to make sure that this issue is not well-known and previously discussed. Even if your post is on a subject that is not addressed through the archives or the FAQ, and it is in the appropriate style, if you are using an anti-spam system that effectively spams anyone who tries to send you mail, then you should warn people about that as part of your signature in every post or e-mail message you send. So far as I can tell, you violated all of these rules of courtesy. Perhaps it is not MM that's at fault, but rather the way MM is set up. This has nothing to do with Mailman. This has everything to do with your multiple violations of the rules of common courtesy. I don't know. The experience is enough, however, to convince me that while MM may be a good platform for large users who can afford a full time administrator, especially if the software is enhanced by inhouse developed and other commercial software. This is not at all the case. I am not a full-time administrator, and I administer multiple different mailing lists for multiple different groups on multiple different systems, all using Mailman. Some of those lists groups are small, some are a bit larger. In fact, I would submit that there are virtually no full-time Mailman mailing list administrators anywhere in the world. Maybe a handful, at most -- and most of whom are probably on these mailing lists. For plain vanilla lists, it is better to stick with one of the Big Vanillas. Mailman *is* one of the Big Vanillas. In fact, I would argue that it is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest. The difference is that Mailman is not used to host individual lists that are the largest in the world (although there is a full-time Mailman list administrator for lists.apple.com, and he manages some very large lists for them, and in his private life hosts a number of other extremely large lists on his own equipment). What you do get with Mailman is not the extreme size of the individual lists, but the amazing number and variety of smaller sites that are running smaller lists, the sum total of which ends up making the community of Mailman users as large or larger than most any other community of mailing list users anywhere in the world. I believe you will find that most Linux-related mailing lists are hosted using Mailman, and I know that all the FreeBSD mailing lists are using Mailamn. I believe that it is the most widely used mailing list management software in the open source community, and one of the most widely used mailing list management systems outside of that community. Most of that has happened not just because it's shipped by default by a lot of vendors, but because of all the mailing list management systems in the world, it's one of the easiest to install, configure, and manage. Indeed, that's probably why a lot of vendors choose to ship it by default. With China and India both going for Linux with a vengence from the government on down to the man-in-the-street, that's a potential two to three billion users within the target future growth patterns of the open source community. That's like one-third to one-half the entire population of the world, or more. Mailman is the leading mailing list management system within that community today, and I believe that it is likely to remain the leading mailing list
[Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same server like Mailman?
Hi I am *very* new to Mailman and have got an urgent question: My subscription-and change-options-asp-pages run on a W2k-server. Mailman is running on Linux Apache. How can I tell my asp-pages that they should connect to a different server (Mailman), not the local one? best regards Ragnar -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same server like Mailman?
On Aug 22, 2004, at 8:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am *very* new to Mailman and have got an urgent question: My subscription-and change-options-asp-pages run on a W2k-server. Mailman is running on Linux Apache. How can I tell my asp-pages that they should connect to a different server (Mailman), not the local one? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.033.htp -Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
AW: [Mailman-Users] ASP-Pages for subscription on the same serverlike Mailman?
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jeff Barger See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.033.htp ail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ cool, Jeff, that's exactly what I need! thanks and regards Ragnar -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re[4]: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers
Hi Richard and Tokio,
i tried executing admin from the shell as nobody and it did work.
(there was some html-ouput)
So there must be a problem with the apache configuration.
Here are my changes to httpd.conf:
VirtualHost x.x.x.x:80
ServerName xxx.xxx
SuexecUserGroup nobody nobody
DocumentRoot /usr/local/mailman/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
CustomLog /var/log/httpd/mailmanhttpd_access.log %h %l %u %t \%r\ %s %b
\%{Referer}i\ \%{User-agent}i\
ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/mailmanhttpd_error.log
/VirtualHost
Are there any other settings which are important? i can't find
anything in the installation instructions..
Thanks again..
Ralph
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Re[5]: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers
i found this in the suexec-log (of apache): uid: (99/nobody) gid: (99/99) cmd: admin cannot run as forbidden uid (99/admin) ?! why is this uid forbidden? where to configure? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing Mailman on RedHat and Apache - Premature End of script headers
i tried executing admin from the shell as nobody and it did work. (there was some html-ouput) So there must be a problem with the apache configuration. Here are my changes to httpd.conf: VirtualHost x.x.x.x:80 ServerName xxx.xxx SuexecUserGroup nobody nobody You have suexec turned on. Mailman cgi is setgid but apache suexec refuses to execute s[ug]id program. Googling by 'mailman suexec' hits this page. http://www.pookey.co.uk/suexec-mailman.xml -- Tokio Kikuchi tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Thank You!
i removed the suexec and recompiled using ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache now everything seems to be fine. Thank You! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] upgrade 2.0.13 to 2.1.4, no mail goes out, no bounces come back
All the web stuff seems to work. I even ran /home/mailman/mail/mailman post list and supplied it with a mail message, and it vanished into thin air without a trace. I have check_perms'ed, made sure the mailmanctl daemon, and all it's minions are running, made sure the aliases are there, and that newaliases was run, put in the new link for the smrsh wrapper file /home/mailman/mail/mailman, My mail daemon is working on other kinds of incoming mail (like complaints from my mail list users, cleaned out old locks, checked the logs, looked for qfiles (there are none at all, just empty directories). I don't know what to do with this message, in /var/log/maillog: Aug 23 00:29:40 habitrail smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use mailman post pf (stat failed) Aug 23 00:29:40 habitrail sendmail[5550]: i7N4TeIf005549: to=|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post pf, ctladdr=[EMAIL PROTECTED] (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30806, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable I can run that program by hand as user mailman without any error messages. Help? I installed from source, the python version is 2.3.3, also installed from source, I'm running sendmail, and it's a heavily updated version of RedHat 7.2. -- Omnia plures altus Latina videt http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mailman + Qmail installation
HELP For the last 3 days, I have been trying to get mailman working with qmail. Right now, qmail delivers the mail (or at least I think it does, because it shows up in the archives) using qmail-to-mailman.py, BUT there is absolutely no outgoing email from mailman. (no subscribe notice, no email list posts.. nada) There is absolutely no indication of why this is so.. I think I have my SMTP relay setup properly (horde works just fine), and there is no record of any attempt at sending out mail from qmail's logs at all. Anyone help? Thanks, Jack -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
