AW: [Mailman-Users] Allow list members to send mails to another list

2004-11-29 Thread DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm
Thanks again for all your answers.  I was not in the office over the
week-end, which is why I didn't respond earlier...

I will go for Jim Tittsler's patch and besdes that allowing everybody to
send mails to the list already works.   

Thanks and best regards,

Alex



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At 2:17 AM +0100 2004-11-27, DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm wrote:

>  Of course I could create a third list "hockeyboth" but this would not 
> be  very userfriendly.

You could create an umbrella list, and/or use the patch by Jim 
Tittsler that has recently been mentioned.

>  In the adminpanel I have the field "accept_these_nonmembers".  Could 
> I set  some kind of wildcard there?  What would I have to write?  
> Something like  ^*?

This sort of thing is also an option, and I think Mark has 
explained the syntax.


However, I'm curious as to whether or not you've considered 
making the lists open to posts from non-members?  That would allow 
what you want without requiring any patches or regular expressions. 
Of course, it would increase the amount of spam that might get 
through to the list, but then intelligent spammers could always 
monitor the output from the list and then spoof one of the subscribed 
addresses.

Just a thought.

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[Mailman-Users] Obtain list members via e-mail

2004-11-29 Thread Luis Fernando C. Talora
Fellows,
 
Is there anyway to send a mail to the list server with some comands and the
server send a reply containing all list members?
 
Thank you all!
 
Regards,
 
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[Mailman-Users] Change the from

2004-11-29 Thread Desarrollos Tecnológicos e-pyme
Hi!
I want to change the "from" header of my mailman list. I want that 
appears "Short Description <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", but I don't know how 
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[Mailman-Users] archive link returns a 404

2004-11-29 Thread R DeWald
When I click the archive link from my admin or general information pages 
it returns a 404:

"The requested URL /pipermail/eat/ was not found on this server."

The list name in this example is "eat," by the way.  I have a feeling
this is an apache redirect issue, a mm_config mistake or something
similarly brain-dead, I am getting the same result for all lists on this
server.  I have tried the faq wizard, but apparently I am equally
incompetent there.

Any hints would be appreciated.
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[Mailman-Users] one users mails being caught as bounces

2004-11-29 Thread Anne Ramey
All other users of this list can reply to messages normally, but I have 
one user that every time he replies, the list admin gets a message like:

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format
was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This
mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to
the list administrator(s).
His user looks like it is set up exactly like all the others.  Any ideas 
why this might be happening?

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[Mailman-Users] user's replies are detected as bounces

2004-11-29 Thread Anne Ramey
All other users of this list can reply to messages normally, but I have 
one user that every time he replies, the list admin gets a message like:

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format
was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This
mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to
the list administrator(s).
His user looks like it is set up exactly like all the others.  Any ideas 
why this might be happening?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Obtain list members via e-mail

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Luis Fernando C. Talora wrote:
> 
>Is there anyway to send a mail to the list server with some comands and the
>server send a reply containing all list members?

Send e-mail with the word "help" (no quotes) as the subject or body to
the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (your own listname and
domain). You will receive a response listing details of all the e-mail
commands including "who" which is what you want. The specific details
of the who command depend on the setting of private_roster (Who can
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Re: [Mailman-Users] archive link returns a 404

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
R DeWald wrote:

>When I click the archive link from my admin or general information pages 
>it returns a 404:
>
>"The requested URL /pipermail/eat/ was not found on this server."
>
>The list name in this example is "eat," by the way.  I have a feeling
>this is an apache redirect issue, a mm_config mistake or something
>similarly brain-dead, I am getting the same result for all lists on this
>server.  I have tried the faq wizard, but apparently I am equally
>incompetent there.

>From the INSTALL document:

- Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
  mailing list archives:

  For example, in Apache:

 Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

  where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
  --with-var-prefix option to configure.

  Consult your web server's documentation for details.  Also be
  sure to configure your web server to follow symbolic links in
  this directory, otherwise public Pipermail archives won't be
  accessible.  For Apache users, consult the FollowSymLinks
  option.

The next few paragraphs of the document will be of interest if you're
going to be supporting internationalized public archives.

Note that $varprefix|$prefix needs to be replaced with the actual path.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user's replies are detected as bounces

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Anne Ramey wrote:

>All other users of this list can reply to messages normally, but I have 
>one user that every time he replies, the list admin gets a message like:
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:12 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Uncaught bounce notification
>
>The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format
>was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it.  This
>mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to
>the list administrator(s).
>
>His user looks like it is set up exactly like all the others.  Any ideas 
>why this might be happening?

His MUA replies to the envelope sender, Sender: or Errors-To: address
(most likely envelope sender) instead of the Reply-To: or From:
address.

This is a problem with his MUA (e-mail client), not with the list or
his list settings.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Change the from

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Desarrollos Tecnológicos e-pyme wrote:
>
>I want to change the "from" header of my mailman list. I want that 
>appears "Short Description <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", but I don't know how 
>to do it.

Set anonymous_list to Yes on the list's General Options page. This will
put the list address in the From: header. It will just be

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't know a way to make it

  From: Short Description <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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[Mailman-Users] Stopping Spam

2004-11-29 Thread Gary Smith
Hi.
 
In one of the previous posts (Allow members to send e-mail to another list) it 
was mentioned that intelligent spammers could monitor the output of a list and 
then spoof one of the subscribed addresses. 
 
I dont know much about emails, but how is this possible that they can monitor 
the output? It is possible to stop it easily?
 
Thanks,
 
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[Mailman-Users] How to disable "the results of your email commands" notifications???

2004-11-29 Thread Alan Silcott
I am trying to setup a list where you can email a subscribe request and not
receive any confirmations at all.  I am not sure if I am missing a setting,
but I can't figure out how to disable the "the results of your email
commands" notification.  I did do some searching before hand and found this
post: 

 

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033757.html

 

But I would like to see if there is a easy way to do this before I start
commenting code.

 

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to disable "the results of your email commands"notifications???

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Alan Silcott wrote:

>I am trying to setup a list where you can email a subscribe request and not
>receive any confirmations at all.  I am not sure if I am missing a setting,
>but I can't figure out how to disable the "the results of your email
>commands" notification.  I did do some searching before hand and found this
>post: 
>
> 
>
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-January/033757.html
>
> 
>
>But I would like to see if there is a easy way to do this before I start
>commenting code.

Do not do what this post suggests. It will stop sending all responses
to all e-mail commands for every list. Unless you want to disable all
responses to commands such as help, info, lists, set and who for every
list, you don't want to do this.

I don't know of an "easy" way to do what you want. If you're going to
hack the code, you probably don't want to do it as bluntly as the
referenced post suggests.

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[Mailman-Users] Receiving Dupes

2004-11-29 Thread Bob Branch
Any Idea why I am receiving 2 copies of each message?  I have made sure I am not
signed in under 2 different addresses, I have signed out and made sure I don't
get any more messages.  But when I sign back on (just once) I get the dupes
again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Receiving Dupes

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Bob Branch wrote:

>Any Idea why I am receiving 2 copies of each message?  I have made sure I am 
>not
>signed in under 2 different addresses, I have signed out and made sure I don't
>get any more messages.  But when I sign back on (just once) I get the dupes
>again.

The first step is to examine the chain of Received: headers in both
messages. This should give clues as to where the duplication occurs.

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[Mailman-Users] Dual architecture setup?

2004-11-29 Thread Doug Stewart
Howdy:
This might be a bit of an odd question (and one whose answer that I 
haven't been able to come across in the archives) but I need to support 
two CPU architectures with Mailman, with the bin scripts compiled on a 
Sparc and the CGI stuff compiled for x86.

The webserver runs Linux and the mail server runs Solaris.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dual architecture setup?

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Doug Stewart wrote:
>
>This might be a bit of an odd question (and one whose answer that I 
>haven't been able to come across in the archives) but I need to support 
>two CPU architectures with Mailman, with the bin scripts compiled on a 
>Sparc and the CGI stuff compiled for x86.
>
>The webserver runs Linux and the mail server runs Solaris.

The scripts aren't an issue because they're compiled by Python on the
fly. It's the wrappers that would be the issue - cgi-wrapper.c and
mail-wrapper.c.

By far the easiest way to address this is to just set up a web server
for Mailman only on the Sparc (or set up an MTA for Mailman only on
the x86) and run everything there. This avoids all the NFS
complications and allows having Python on only the one machine if
that's a concern.

For some other ideas, see the thread "mailman on 2 servers" beginning
at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-November/040571.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone successfully installed Mailman onFedora Core 2?

2004-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Brad>   If you can show us a cross-platform way to check for
Brad> all the appropriate and necessary Python headers that would
Brad> be required by Mailman, and would work regardless of where
Brad> Python was installed, where Mailman was installed, etc...,
Brad> I'm sure we'd love to see your patch.

You don't need to do all that.  All you need to do is trap the absence
of such a basic file anywhere that Mailman would look for it.  If
$os = linux, and Python.h is missing, you can bet that "missing -devel
rpm" is the issue.  So, if Mailman comes with an autoconf script, you
just do

  AC_CHECK_HEADER(Python.h, , got_python_h=yes)])
  if test $got_python_h != yes -a $os = linux; then
echo 'If you're on Linux, you have the "binary distro no -devel rpm" bug!'
echo 'Switch to an Industrial-Strength OS such as NetBSD immediately!'
echo 'Gentoo Linux will do, too.'
dnl Last I checked, this wasn't a real AC macro, but we use a homebrew
dnl thingie and I forget how to do this "right"
AC_DIE_HORRIBLY_WITH_SOUND_EFFECTS()
  fi

in configure.ac.  The hard part is coming up with an informative
failure message that doesn't show how disgusted you are.<0.5 wink>

This won't work for Windows (except for people using the various GNU
toolchains), but that's probably not that big a deal.  Windows people
either don't know what a compiler is, or they have the full schlepp.
It's only Linux that surprises experienced hands by failing to
distribute header files.  I've been bitten by this myself twice in the
last month (of course, I just do "apt-get install thingie-dev", so
it's not a big deal---it's the principle of the thing).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anywhere for novices?

2004-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "PeteBell" == PeteBell  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

PeteBell> Is there ANYWHERE a novice can get hand-holding
PeteBell> step-by-step tutorials on all this stuff?

Yes ...

PeteBell> Python, scripts, configs, mailman, MTAs, what the hell
PeteBell> does it all mean?

... but they are not indexed under those names, and probably not for
your platform.

What you are looking for is books or tutorials with names like "Unix
for Mac OS X Users" and "Linux Administration for Dummies".  "Yes,
Virginia, Mac OS X is different from Linux."  But at the level you're
interested in the difference is a minor annoyance compared to all the
new stuff you need to know, and there's a lot more Linux stuff for
Unix neophytes than there is Mac OS X stuff with the same target
audience.

Any Linux distro has a pile of documents called HOWTOs.  These are
available online somewhere, Google sez www.tldp.org.  There's probably
a Mailman-HOWTO, a Sendmail-HOWTO, a Postfix-HOWTO, a Python-HOWTO,
etc.  You probably won't find anywhere near as much for your platform;
Mac users generally would rather spend money than thought on their
computers.  (An honorable choice, but not one that leads to production
of HOWTOs for other people to follow.)

PeteBell> Is there ANYWHERE this is in plain English

Well, all the names above are translations from the Japanese titles my
bookstore offers.  I did try to be idiomatic; there _may_ be
English books by those names!

PeteBell> - where it isn't written as if to be read by people with
PeteBell> years of programming experience.  I need: "you do
PeteBell> this... and then you do that... and this is what should
PeteBell> happen..." etc!

_That_ probably doesn't exist, period.  This is approximately on the
order of complexity of learning to walk on your hands by moving
exactly one muscle at a time.  Yes, such scripts do exist, and they do
often work ---but when they do, they get packaged and sold as
"solutions" by vendors like Apple, or even bundled with Mailman (ie,
setup.py).  IIRC you've already tried Apple's Mailman, and it didn't
work for you.

Really, go read the Linux docs.  The fact that they're for Linux will
help you remember that you're trying to learn enough "general
background" to troubleshoot your own problems.  If that sounds
unattractive, maybe you should hire somebody else to do it for you.
Alternatively, maybe there's another packaged MLM that's not as good a
fit for your needs as Mailman, but would work out of the box in your
environment.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stopping Spam

2004-11-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "Gary" == Gary Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Gary> In one of the previous posts (Allow members to send e-mail
Gary> to another list) it was mentioned that intelligent spammers
Gary> could monitor the output of a list and then spoof one of the
Gary> subscribed addresses.

Gary> I dont know much about emails, but how is this possible that
Gary> they can monitor the output?

1.  They could get the mail from the archives.
2.  They could be subscribed to the list.
3.  They could buy access to list traffic from a list member.
4.  They could steal access to a list member's files using a virus.
5.  They could get access to the mail in transit (either by suborning
an ISP, or by cracking it).

There are probably other ways that someone with worse experience or a
more devious mind than mine could come up with.
 
Gary> It is possible to stop it easily?

No.  Unless you encrypt it, email is like a postcard.  Your wife can
read it over your shoulder, your daughter can read it sitting on the
kitchen table where you left it, the mailman can read it, any of the
postal employees can read it, etc.  Sure, you can close of some of
these routes easily, but you have to close them _all_ to be safe.
That's not easy.

Of course it's unlikely that any spammer would target _your_ list
specifically.  But _all_ mailing lists are a bonanza for spammers, so
if one notices that you have a mailing list going, they will try to
crack it.


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[Mailman-Users] FAQ Wizard

2004-11-29 Thread PeteBell
This is probably a bit more of an unusual query from usual, but my 
question is this:

How is the "FAQ Wizard" feature on your website driven?
I want to feature something exactly like this on my website.
Thanks in advance
Pete Bell, UK
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