[Mailman-Users] Moderator Access

2004-12-15 Thread Ginu George
i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then
the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try
to login the admin Interface is coming.

Really i want to make  an access for my moderators with out
interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast

Regards
Ginu George

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[Mailman-Users] change domain name

2004-12-15 Thread Aris Santillan

Hi to all

what will i do if i change my domain name mail.alpha.net to mailx.alpha.net
what are the step in this kind of changes on my Mailman Mailing List Server?

Thanks in Advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not All Subscribers Receiving Daily Email

2004-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:33 PM -0800 2004-12-14, Easy wrote:
 Seems Mailman is cablable of getting the message out at least on a small
 list. Any idea what the threshold is?
	That's probably going to be specific to Earthlink, and if we knew 
a number that worked today, it would probably break tomorrow.  Try 
turning on personalization and enable VERP in your MTA.

	To read more about this, go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, search for VERP, and 
read all the entries that are returned.

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[Mailman-Users] global change of forward_auto_discards using withlist

2004-12-15 Thread Sean

I would like to change all mly 500+ lists so that the
forward_auto_discards is set to 'No'. I assume that the best way to do
this is utilizing the 'withlist' utility. I have only used this utility
to change the URL for my lists.

Has anyone done this and could you give me some tips?

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Run this using withlist with the -a option so it runs it on all 500+ of
your lists:

# more nonmember_discard.py
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def nonmember_discard(m):
m.forward_auto_discards = False

m.Save()
m.Unlock()

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access

2004-12-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ginu George wrote:

i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then
the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try
to login the admin Interface is coming.

Really i want to make  an access for my moderators with out
interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast

The moderator password only allows access to the moderator requests
pages (something like
http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name).

Access to the admin pages requires the administrator password.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailmaning only generating messages to some members

2004-12-15 Thread Aaron Crosman
I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 on a Suse 9.1 machine.  For a couple months
everything has been mostly fine.
 
About 2 weeks ago I setup a list for my bosses boss, I wasn't worried
since she only needed (very) a small list and we have 4000+ member list
that works fine.  As one would expect her list, of course, now has
problems.
 
Yesterday she sent a message to the list (first posting), and mailman
only generated 3 outgoing messages (for a list with 7 members).  I have
looked through the mailman and exim logs, and I can't find a single
error message related to that message.  Everything I find implies that
nothing went wrong, except only 3 messages were generated.  All three
people have said they got message, and the other 4 did not.  
The message is in the archives.
There are no bounce records.
All members on the list were subscribed in mass on 5 days earilier (and
therefore have the same settings). 
I ran the mailman permission and database checking tools, they didn't
find any problems.  

The only thing I can find that's unusal at all is that the moderator is
not a member on the list.

I must be missing something.  As you can imagine I'm under a little
pressure, so any hints or guidence would be much appreicated.

Aaron
 
From the exim main.log (the email addresses were changed to protect my
personal interests ;) )
 
2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij = [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=mail.afsc.org
[198.70.42.3] P=esmtp S=15565
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij = Listname
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2004-12-13 12:39:15 1CduAF-0003t3-Ij Completed
2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-2N = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H=localhost (list.afsc.org) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17215
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-5U = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  H=localhost (list.afsc.org)
[127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17206
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-12-13 12:39:17 1CduAH-0003t8-8K = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H=localhost (list.afsc.org) [127.0.0.1] P=esmtp S=17207
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-12-13 12:39:19 1CduAH-0003t8-2N = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=smtpgateway.co.marin.ca.us [199.88.77.98]
2004-12-13 12:39:19 1CduAH-0003t8-2N Completed
2004-12-13 12:39:22 1CduAH-0003t8-5U = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=dnslookup
T=remote_smtp H=mail.afsc.org [198.70.42.3]
2004-12-13 12:39:22 1CduAH-0003t8-5U Completed
2004-12-13 12:39:23 1CduAH-0003t8-8K = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=mailin-02.mx.aol.com
[205.188.156.249]
2004-12-13 12:39:23 1CduAH-0003t8-8K Completed

From the mailman post log:
Dec 13 12:39:17 2004 (2487) post to listname from [EMAIL PROTECTED],
size=17033,
message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED],
success
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Preline fatal failure - broken pipe

2004-12-15 Thread Russell Mann
 I would think the Qmail.py in the bug tracker would be better 
 than qmail-to-mailman.py, but I'd think qmail-to-mailman.py 
 could be adapted to include VERP as well.  We moved on from 
 qmail a few years ago, but I'd suggest trying:  (meaning, I 
 have no way to test this :-)  (and assuming the default 
 VERP_FORMAT, and that you have no lists with '-bounces' in 
 their names)
 
 --- qmail-to-mailman-2.1.5.py   2003-02-08 16:13:51.0 +0900
 +++ qmail-to-mailman.py 2004-12-15 13:36:09.013829456 +0900
 @@ -76,7 +76,7 @@
 
   type = post
   types = ((-admin$, bounces),
 - (-bounces$, bounces),
 + (-bounces(\+[^=]+=.+)?$, bounces),
(-join$, join),
(-leave$, leave),
(-owner$, owner),
 
 You may also want to update your qmail-to-mailman.py to 
 include the -subscribe and -unsubscribe suffixes.

I'll try the path of least resistance first.  How do I include -subscribe
and -unsubscribe suffixes?

Thanks,

Russell


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[Mailman-Users] How to set up a READ-ONLY list?

2004-12-15 Thread Yassen Damyanov
Hi all,

I need to urgently setup a Mailman read-only mailing list.
It appears to be not-so-obvious a task (my first contact
with Mailman).

Could anyone send me directions and/or documents to read?

Thanks in advance!

Yassen

P.S. This is an example of how the
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list reacts to posts of subscribed users. I need exactly this
behavior:

 This is an announcement-only mailing list. Only the Mailman
 developers are allowed to post announcements to this list. Your
 message has been automatically rejected by the Mailman system.
 
 If you think this rejection is in error, or if you have a legitimate
 announcement that you think the Mailman community would be interested
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Re: [Mailman-Users] SOLVED: How to set up a READ-ONLY list?

2004-12-15 Thread Yassen Damyanov
On Thursday 16 December 2004 01:27, you wrote:
 Sorry Yassen
 
 You need help more than I.  What platform are you on?
 
 -evan


Dan: thanks for the link with that really nice guide!

 See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp


Evan: thanks for caring!

I just followed that guide and I have it all up and running --
my read-only, one-way mailing list!

 What platform are you on?

Gentoo Linux box, postfix 2.1 + amavisd-new + SpamAssassin + Mailman 2.5.1.

I am sorry that I cannot be of much use regarding the issues you
sent in your direct mail to me. I quote them here for attracting
attention of people who can help, although it seems more appropriate
to open a new thread (which I recommend to you).

I _do wish you_ to get that all running fine.

Yassen


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Subject: Re: Have you got postfix and mailman work together?
Date: Thursday 16 December 2004 01:11
From: DJ Freak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Yassen Damyanov [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Yassen

Thank you very much for  asking.

Yes I have gotten Postfix and Mailman working together.

However, I have two very stubborn problems which I'm still trying to 
work out.

1.  I am unable to edit the HTML page that users are taken to when they 
hit the confirm link in their confirmation email.  It's NOT 
subscribe.html and I cannot find a file called confirm.html anywhere.  
There must be a script somewhere compiling the HTML but I cannot find 
it.

2.  Confirmation and invitation mails are getting junked by my 
recipients becuase confirm djafdjkdas;jfdkljdfsakl;7847474477 is 
considered junk by many email programs so I have

Begin paste here-
 Here's what I have done:

 1.  Added

 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

 to Defaults.py

 2.  Added

 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

 to mm_cfg.py

 3.  Added

 default_verp_delimiters = +=
 verp_delimiter_filter = -+=
 authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks

 to /etc/postfix/main.cf


 Anything scream wrong there?  Am I forgetting a step?  Restarted
 mailman and Postfix but still confirmations and invites come in with
 all that junk in the replies.
-End Paste

Any thoughts on those two issues?

Thanks a lot Yassen I really appreciate it.

-Evan

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[Mailman-Users] Using a different port number

2004-12-15 Thread Kenny Chamber
I checked the FAQ, nothing. I searched google and came up with nothing 
helpful either.  So what are the magic steps to make mailman work and 
be aware that it is running on a different port?   If I put the port 
number in the URL by hand it works, but alas the URLs that get returned 
by listinfo or admin do not contain the port number.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior

2004-12-15 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 09:44:00AM -0600, Michael Owings wrote:
 Everything works as advertised, except that ALL messages coming from a 
 particular list seem to have my email address either prepended (if I 
 have the list configured so that reply-to is set to the list name), or 
 if the reply-to is configured to be the sender, then ONLY my email 
 address will appear in the Reply-To header.

Is that particular list set so that first_strip_reply_to (on
the General Options page) is set to No, but your other lists
set it to Yes?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] REPOST Where is the HTML for the confirmation page?

2004-12-15 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:00:48AM -0800, DJ Freak wrote:
 Where is the HTML file that creates the web page that people are taken 
 to when the click on the confirm link in the email they receive after 
 signing up?

It is generated on the fly by Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py.

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[Mailman-Users] addendum: How we made Mailman fit

2004-12-15 Thread Adam Steer
hmm - you might want to see our results before reading too much!

See:

http://lists.alia.org.au/mailman/listinfo/

...one of those days!

Cheers

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior

2004-12-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Owings wrote:

Sorry -- my paragraph was unclear. It is not just one list that has this 
problem, but any list I create.

Your answer was helpful, however -- if I set this option to yes, then my 
email address is not added to the header, and everything works as expected.

The odd thing was that even when the source email was from a completely 
different account (say a yahoo account), my  local email address was 
always added when the message was resent to the list recipients.

Anyway, thanx -- setting first_strip_reply_to to YES seemed to fix things.

Stripping the Reply-To: fixes the immediate problem you were having,
but it doesn't fix the underlying problem, and it is a bad idea in
general.

It is a bad idea in general because a user may send a post with a
Reply-To: which is different than From: and which may be required for
that user to receive a reply. For more on this, see for example
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

The underlying problem in your case appears to be that somehow in the
processing that delivers mail from your incoming MTA to Mailman, a
Reply-To: you header gets added to the message. The real solution is
to figure out where and why this is happening and fix it there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file?

2004-12-15 Thread DJ Freak
So I guess that means you're not inviting me to be a gmail member huh 
Brian?

Most of the documentation is extremely confusing for those of us who 
are not as brilliant as you.  I have made those color changes in 
mm_cfg.py and their not affecting that confirm html page.  That's why 
I'm posting.

I make very clear what my questions are in my subject lines so if 
they're too elementary for you then don't read em.  I'm sure you're 
skilled enough to change your membership to digest if the day to day 
traffic is too much for you.

-evan
On Dec 15, 2004, at 8:46 PM, Tierra wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:13 -0800, DJ Freak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site
EXCEPT background color and img src=.
Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a 
.py
file?

Thanks
Evan
I'm not even sure what you mean by that... however, if you take the
time to look through the default config settings for Mailman, you'd
find the exact variables you need to setup in your mm_cfg.py file to
change the web colors. This may be a little out of line on this list,
but I'm not even going to mention those variables since for the past 2
weeks, you've started 14 threads on this list about small simple
configuration options like this one that you could of saved everyone
here the trouble of looking up for you had you read the documentation.
Also, please stop starting 3 separate threads all in one day on the
same problem, same subject, just because no one answered in the first
2-3 hours. It's a mailing list, people will get to it when they can,
if they can help you out. No one here get's paid to answer your
questions.
Bryan
P.S. Don't touch VERP settings unless you know what it is and really
need it. The defaults are fine for anyone who's new to email and
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file?

2004-12-15 Thread Tierra
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:09:13 -0800, DJ Freak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site
 EXCEPT background color and img src=.
 
 Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a .py
 file?
 
 Thanks
 
 Evan

I'm not even sure what you mean by that... however, if you take the
time to look through the default config settings for Mailman, you'd
find the exact variables you need to setup in your mm_cfg.py file to
change the web colors. This may be a little out of line on this list,
but I'm not even going to mention those variables since for the past 2
weeks, you've started 14 threads on this list about small simple
configuration options like this one that you could of saved everyone
here the trouble of looking up for you had you read the documentation.
Also, please stop starting 3 separate threads all in one day on the
same problem, same subject, just because no one answered in the first
2-3 hours. It's a mailing list, people will get to it when they can,
if they can help you out. No one here get's paid to answer your
questions.

Bryan

P.S. Don't touch VERP settings unless you know what it is and really
need it. The defaults are fine for anyone who's new to email and
mailing lists.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 34

2004-12-15 Thread demo
 Which language do you prefer to display your messages? English (USA)

 I do not know how to change this.  It is not appropriate here in
 Australia.  How do we change this?

Another interesting geopolitical example of how one nation's foreign policy
can impact even upon Open Source project. My sentiments entirely, old boy.

Without the need for a straw poll, my guess is that the US developers are
probably at least Democrats hiding the fact that Open Source are probably
even [ shock and awe ] Socialist and even Internationalist in nature.
 
Perhaps we can avoid re-writing the Python to call it  Freedom English 
but  Internet English  - or even  Peace Corp English  might be
acceptable.

However, even as a historically subjugated Scot with 300 odd years of
oppression behind me, my vote would be to strip the USA to call it  English
 if it has to be named at all please.

There is a serious point behind the humour. All forms of Imperialism from
Redmond down are passe.

This needs to be addressed!

 or do you want to create a new translation from US
 English to Australian English :-) ?
 
 Well, I might tackle the latter if the urge takes me!

Now that is too much of a temptation to let miss.

I can imagine a list where;

Attachments are called swag and it is not possible to set size limits on
them and the FAQs are found in the docos. Subscribers awaiting notification
are wags, banned users are wonks and newbies nongs.

The MTAs carry the dargs. Digest formats are called yarns, announcement only
lists oil and corrupted lists that have gone bung or wog can be found in
/var/etc/toot

And despite everything, there will be no root access to the Alecs [ admins
], mate.  you will have to Google for that one.

MA




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[Mailman-Users] Odd Reply-To behavior

2004-12-15 Thread Michael Owings
I've checked for the answer to this one in the archives with no luck 
thus far; I'm hoping someone here can help.

I've just recently installed mailman 2.1.5 (r2) on a GenToo box.
Everything works as advertised, except that ALL messages coming from a 
particular list seem to have my email address either prepended (if I 
have the list configured so that reply-to is set to the list name), or 
if the reply-to is configured to be the sender, then ONLY my email 
address will appear in the Reply-To header.

For example, assuming a list called 'somelist' with the reply option set 
to list, the Reply-To header will be set as follows:

Reply-To: my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If the reply option is set to 'sender', then Reply-To will always be set 
as follows:

Reply-To: my email address
In the latter case, the sender address doesn't get set into Reply-To.
I have tried this with a couple of lists, changing the list owner name 
for each one; the email address that gets set in Reply-To is always MY 
address, not the list owner address.

I'm using mailman with postfix 2.1.5, if that helps.
Any ideas would be appreciated, or pointers on what to check. Thanx very 
much in advance -- Mikey
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator Access

2004-12-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ginu George wrote:

i want to set the moderator password. As the admin i made that. Then
the moderators try to login. But authentication failed. When they try
to login the admin Interface is coming.

Really i want to make  an access for my moderators with out
interfereing the admin interface. So what i have to do, Help me fast

My first reply was a little hasty (must have been the Help me fast)

The moderator needs to go to the admindb URL, not the admin URL, i.e
something like

http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list-name

not

http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/list-name

The former URL should be the one included in a post requires moderation
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Turn off bouncing for specific users

2004-12-15 Thread Mark Sapiro
Torsten Ehlers wrote:

I'm using Mailman 2.1.4 and I'm running a moderated list. On the web 
interface for reviewing posts before they get published on the list I 
accidentally selected to bounce all messages from a certain user in the 
future. But how can I disable this, i.e. let mails from the user go to 
the list again? I can't find such an option anywhere - and I grepped for 
that e-mail-address but couldn't find it in Mailman's home directory 
either...

It's Privacy options...-Sender filters-reject_these_nonmembers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman subscriber list

2004-12-15 Thread Kevin W. Gagel
About six months ago there was a huge thread about rates of
email to hotmail on the postfix list. A search in their
archives should reveal what your looking for.

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From: Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to 'export' mailman
subscriber list
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:34:18 -0500 (EST)

 This is a very important thread here.  I just sent 1200
 emails and none of my hotmail subscribers seem to have
 gotten their emails and I think this is exactly why.
 
 So does anyone know how to address max mails per
 transaction in Postfix?  I'm going to go and add this
 question on that list. 
 Thanks Mark
 
 -evan
 
 Hi Evan,
 
 Take look at the sample-rate.cf file which should be
 located in the directory as the main.cf file.  The
 default_destination_recipient_limit parameter is probably
 what you  are looking for here.  Although the
 default_destination_concurrency_limit may need some
 tweaking if the ISP is just measuring total number of
 messages coming in.
 
 However, Hotmail probably won't divulge such details. 
 They seem to randomly block/discard/cutoff messages from
 the Mailman on the server I admin.
 
 -Sean
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[Mailman-Users] How to 'import' Communigate lists to mailman subscriber lists

2004-12-15 Thread Steven Jones
Has anyone done this?

If so how was it done? and did you have any issues?

regards

Steven
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[Mailman-Users] REPOST Where is the HTML for the confirmation page?

2004-12-15 Thread DJ Freak
Hi list
Where is the HTML file that creates the web page that people are taken 
to when the click on the confirm link in the email they receive after 
signing up?

Thanks.
-evan
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[Mailman-Users] Anyone know Background color code for .py file?

2004-12-15 Thread DJ Freak
Hi list
So I've been able to edit my confirm.py to make it match my web site 
EXCEPT background color and img src=.

Does anyone know how to code background color and image insert in a .py 
file?

Thanks
Evan
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[Mailman-Users] How we made Mailman fit: One way to customise things....

2004-12-15 Thread Adam Steer
Hi all

I've finally written up the most significant parts of a Mailman
makeover we've done here at ALIA.

If you're interested, head over to:

http://alia.org.au/alianet/e-lists/mailman.interface.html

..and have a dig around. In a very small nutshell, the pages there
describe why we modified Mailman, and how we modified htmlformat.py and
HTMLformatter.py to do most of the things we wanted.

All is explained at the link above, and we've thrown in a couple of
sample files where relevant.

Still more to come, but nothing quite so major. Some words on
installing non-RPM mailman on SuSE are also on the way - those, and some
bash scripts we wrote to handle multiple-list-maintenance jobs, may come
soon.

A disclaimer or two, to go with it all: We arrived where we are via a
couple of test servers, some intuitive guess work, some plain dumb luck
and many cups of coffee. I'm no python programmer, so don't expect
brilliance [it works... and we left it at that].

If any Python gurus can think of better ways to do what we did, please
let us know! It may well be we've just mis-read the manual and made a
lot of work for ourselves :-)

Comments welcome, and apologies to a couple of interested people who
have been waiting months for me to get this done.

Cheers
Adam.

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