Re: [Mailman-Users] installation clean, without internationlization?

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:52 PM -0700 2004-12-20, Dr. Jones wrote:
 Is it possible to install mailman without all the other language options,
 which I never plan on using?
Not that I know of.
  can I limit the language modules installed
 to just English, Spanish and German?
Not that I know of.
	So far as I can tell, all the various language stuff is under 
templates/ and messages/, and comprises a total of about 15008KB 
(uncompressed), while the total unpacked source distribution is about 
21824KB (uncompressed).

	You might be able to get away with just deleting all the language 
subdirectories you don't need, but I wouldn't count on that.

 I am going to uninstall my Mailman installation. Any suggestions on how
 best to install? I run Debian 3.0. Does apt-get install work ok, or
 should i get the source and compile by hand?
	Depends on what you're looking for.  The Debian apt-get method 
may result in a Mailman installation that works the way you want, in 
a Debian-ized way, or it may be frustrating to you.

	If you install from source, it will be easier for others on the 
list who also install from source to be able to help you based on 
their own experience (even if they might have other platforms/OSes), 
but then you won't be able to get as much help from other 
Debian-based sources.

	My personal preference would be to install from source, but I 
know that others might disagree with this choice.

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[Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found

[thomas Armstrong]

Hi.

I'm trying to configure Mailman on my Linux server with Sendmail.

1) I installed it on '/usr/lib/mailman/'
2) I created a crontab (as root):
$ crontab /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman

I'm able to subscribe a new user, but when trying to send a new message to
the mail list, I don't get any answer. There is also no message within the 
list archive.

And I'm getting this mail within my '/var/spool/mail/root': 
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Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
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/bin/sh: mailman: command not found
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What am I doing wrong? Thank you very much.
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[Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list

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here is a copy of an email i recevied today (20 dec)
sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias.  However,
the list has emergency moderation set to ON.
Why am I still getting these emails?
Lots of people on the mailing list are
complaining.  Is there anything i can do
about it?
-jim
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can i test this, too?
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[Mailman-Users] getting emails from emergency moderated list

[jimk's second account]

about a week or week and a half ago, i turned on
emergency modification of my mailing list.  but still
users are complaining that they are getting 10 to
50 emails per day from the list.  When i look
at the mails they seem to be dated around the
15th of december, and today is the 21st.
Any idea why this is still happening?
Any idea how to stop it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list

[Tokio Kikuchi]

jimk's second account wrote:
here is a copy of an email i recevied today (20 dec)
sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias.  However,
the list has emergency moderation set to ON.
Why am I still getting these emails?
Looks like this one was queued on 15 before the emergency
moderation was turned on and delayed until today.
If you have shell access and mailman privilege, then you can
stop mailman qrunners by bin/mailmanctl stop and inspect the
queue files in queues/*.
Lots of people on the mailing list are
complaining.  Is there anything i can do
about it?
-jim
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[Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email

[Terry Poperszky]

I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we 
currently house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those 
distribution lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the 
vast majority of our distribution lists are used in dealing with the 
outside world and accept email from non-members. Now, I can simply set 
those up in the aliases file, but my goal would be to give my 
administration team a single place for both types of lists.

So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed 
some light on this question?

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[Mailman-Users] MailMan archiving system

[Serif Yenen]

Dear Sir,

 

MailMan archiving system is perfect, but editing the archives (deleting them
one by one) is almost impossible. Isn't there an easy system to delete very
old messages collectively?

 

Thanks,

 

Serif Yenen

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[Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working

[Andrew Zolty]

We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for 
over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't 
touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our 
mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely 
sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it.

Any ideas?
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[Mailman-Users] Feature request

[Allon Stern]

I have a feature request. I have multiple email addresses, and 
sometimes manage to send email to a list from the wrong account. In 
that event, the message is held for review by a moderator. A message is 
mailed back explaining this, with a link that I can follow to a webpage 
which gives me the option of cancelling the post.

But I really AM a member of the mailing list. I just used the wrong 
from address.

Why doesn't the web page also give the option of authenticating to the 
server using my mailman account and password, and let the message go 
through (maybe rewriting the from address in the process) ?

That would be right handy.
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[Mailman-Users] Radio

[Sascha 'sHaX' Solecki]

Hello!

We use Mailman too ;)
 
United Radio is the biggest german online radio in the youth section.
 
greets from germany
 
Sascha Solecki
 
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[Mailman-Users] Long subject lines get extra padding from mailman

[Miles Waller]

Hi,
I have verified this problem in mailman versions 2.1.2 and 2.1.5.  The 
problem seems to be that the second and subsequent lines of a long 
header are indented when they are folded onto new lines.  From my basic 
testing, the isseu seems to be related to the presence of the indents, 
rather than the actual line breaks.

The impact is that several mail clients (tested thunderbird 0.9, outlook 
express 5.5, outlook 2000) try faithfully to display all the extra 
spaces between words, causing a gap to appear in the subject line which 
can be quite noticeable in certain circumstances.

Here is a sample of the headers:
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from localhost.localdomain ([10.0.0.60]) by asdf.com
	(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iBKBXGeT024208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3
	cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
	Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:33:16 GMT
Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by
	localhost.localdomain (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBKBReIa008262 for
	<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:27:40 GMT
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:27:40 GMT
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Cc: 
Subject: This is a really long subject line. The quick brown fox jumped
	over the lazy dog, but the dog wasn't so lazy after all! The fox had roused
	a sleeping giant, so to speak, and that dog jumped right up and bit him on
	the behind! Not quick enough, Mr Fox!
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Precedence: list
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Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is this a bug in mailman, or is it something in the list settings that I can 
change?
Has anyone else had this problem, and how have they worked round it?
Thanks,
Miles
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[Mailman-Users] Question on archives

[Lorraine Kerwood]

Hi there,
We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't find
this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted info
that was mistakenly posted by a consultant
Thanks so much for any help you can offer.
lorraine
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[Mailman-Users] Feedback/ideas on Mailman

[[Admin at dDH]]

Hi,
I'm not a programmer, but maintain many Mailman lists. We run version 
2.0.11 on a Debian server.
I'd like to give input somewhere on some problem solutions we've came up 
with and ideas for problem solving.

Right now, confronted with loads of spam to list -admin and owner- 
addresses, I'd like to propose 3 possible measures:

- Not putting the -admin adresses in every header, but a web link
  (possibly: a general, multi language help page)
- Doing the same with -request addresses. Does not reach the owner, but
  can be a subtantial load for the server.
- Being able to change the owner- and -admin part on a per list and
  per server basis. (Example: change -admin to -2004admin or
  maintainer03, etc.) In that case, putting the addresses in the header
  would not do that much harm, you can change it
- A automatic, not publicized mailing list of all list-owners on a
  server, for announcements, support etc.
Best,
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[Mailman-Users] mailman processing queued messages - not working

[NetC Network Support]

Hi,
Our mailman installation is not processing queued mail. Postifx 
delivers it (relay=mailman) and it ends up in the qfiles directory. 
After that, nothing happens to it.

System info:
- mailman 2.0.3
(ports i think)
- FreeBSD 4.8
- Postfix
Processes:
mailman 20016  0.0  0.0   628  244  ??  Is   11:50AM   0:00.00 /bin/sh 
-c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner
mailman 20018  0.0  1.1  7308 5832  ??  S11:50AM   0:00.24 
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner

Active mailman cron entries:
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/Mailman/cron/qrunner
27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/mailpasswds
0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/senddigests
0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/Mailman/cron/checkdbs

N.B. Lock files get created (qrunner.lock) with a timestamp of 21st 
December at 21:50, even though the system time is:
Tue Dec 21 12:06:36 EST 2004

-rw-rw-r--  2 mailman  mailman63 Dec 21 21:50 
qrunner.lock..20018
-rw-rw-r--  2 mailman  mailman63 Dec 21 21:50 qrunner.lock

Only logfile being updated recently is qrunner:
(taken at 12:05)
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   1685161 Dec 21 12:05 qrunner
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman  mailman   3893027 Dec 21 11:02 smtp
Containing nothing but:
(etc.)
Dec 21 11:45:01 2004 (19962) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 21 11:55:01 2004 (20070) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 21 12:00:01 2004 (20152) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 21 12:05:02 2004 (20191) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Steps I have tried: (all unsuccessful)
- sending test messages
these hit postfix which delivers them to the mailman q
the web interface does not show any pending administrator requests
these lists all require approval
- restarting the qrunner process
- running qrunner by hand - no error output
- removing the lock files
- restarting cron
- removing all qfile directory contents and sending test messages
I must be doing something wrong. Everything was working until 5:05pm 
Friday (now 12:15pm Tuesday AEST). Nobody changed anything that I know 
of.

Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks,
David Kellam
Network Administrator
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Re: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:44 AM +0100 2004-12-21, thomas Armstrong wrote:
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 X-Cron-Env: 
 X-Cron-Env: 
 X-Cron-Env: 
 X-Cron-Env: 
 X-Cron-Env: 
 /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
	The mailman program is typically found in 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailman, and the directory 
/usr/local/mailman/bin is not in your path.  You either need to 
specify the full path to the binary in the cron job, or you need to 
make sure that the appropriate directory is in the search path.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:09 PM +0100 2004-12-21, jimk's second account wrote:
 Received: from agora.rdrop.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]) by
 agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963;
Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST)   (envelope-from
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com
 [66.218.93.171])   by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP
 id iBFI30PA031420  for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
 Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:00 -0800 (PST)  (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
  ^^^
 Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2004 18:02:50 -
^^
	Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail 
system, according to these date-time stamps.  There's not a whole lot 
you can do about this, unfortunately.

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[Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list

[blindman jones]

I am using a mail list through a service provider, so I need some help
with what questions to ask...

I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is
sent out in minutes and all 10  users get the mail from the list... no
problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent
back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the
world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes.

We have tried unsubscribing and resubscribing his email to the list...
doesn't help.

I have looked through every possible option in the admin interface and
we are stumped.

Why would ONLY one users mail be delayed when sending to the list?

What questions do I ask my service provider to get the information
needed to figure this out?

I know this is not a lot of info to get an immediate answer... but I
need to figure this out... it is quite annoying and has left our
friend frustrated.

oh, and he and i have a second list on the same server and he sends
one mail to the first list and then another to the second... the
second list gets his post in minutes the first, again... is delayed
for hours.

What is even more frustrating is that it is not consistant...
occasionally, the list likes him and his mails get posted in minutes.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email

[Terry Poperszky]

I give up, where do I click?
Terry Poperszky
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Speedy Gonzalis wrote:
Yes, you can accept mail from non members.  Just a click of a button does the 
trick.
Tim
At 09:46 AM 12/21/2004, Terry Poperszky wrote:
I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we currently 
house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those distribution 
lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the vast majority of our 
distribution lists are used in dealing with the outside world and accept email 
from non-members. Now, I can simply set those up in the aliases file, but my 
goal would be to give my administration team a single place for both types of 
lists.
So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed some 
light on this question?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Accepting non-List members email

[Ian Eiloart]

--On Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:01:28 GMT -0700 Terry Poperszky 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I give up, where do I click?
Terry Poperszky
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Speedy Gonzalis wrote:
Yes, you can accept mail from non members.  Just a click of a button
does the trick.
Tim
At 09:46 AM 12/21/2004, Terry Poperszky wrote:
I am looking for a replacement for the distribution lists that we
currently house in MS Exchange, the moderated lists work well for those
distribution lists that we have that have restricted senders, but the
vast majority of our distribution lists are used in dealing with the
outside world and accept email from non-members. Now, I can simply set
those up in the aliases file, but my goal would be to give my
administration team a single place for both types of lists.
So, looking the FAQ I do not see this issue addressed, can someone shed
some light on this question?
In Mailman? Or in MS Exchange?
In mailman you have a great deal of control over who can post to a list. 
Its in the privacy options...sender page. Near the bottom of the page, set 
generic_nonmember_action to "accept".


You're asking to get spammed if you let non-members post to a list, but if 
that's just a list of people inside your organisation, then that shouldn't 
be too much of a problem.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] MailMan archiving system

[Mark Sapiro]

>MailMan archiving system is perfect, but editing the archives (deleting them
>one by one) is almost impossible. Isn't there an easy system to delete very
>old messages collectively?

Have you seen the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.3.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Lorraine Kerwood wrote:

>We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't find
>this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted info
>that was mistakenly posted by a consultant
>Thanks so much for any help you can offer.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.3.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working

[Mark Sapiro]

Andrew Zolty wrote:

>We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for 
>over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't 
>touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our 
>mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely 
>sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it.

Some or all of your qrunners have stopped.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.14 for more on this and other ideas.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature request

[Mark Sapiro]

Allon Stern wrote:

>I have a feature request. I have multiple email addresses, and 
>sometimes manage to send email to a list from the wrong account. In 
>that event, the message is held for review by a moderator. A message is 
>mailed back explaining this, with a link that I can follow to a webpage 
>which gives me the option of cancelling the post.
>
>But I really AM a member of the mailing list. I just used the wrong 
>from address.


You could ask the list owner to add your alternate addresses to the
accept_these_nonmembers filter or you could subscribe all your
alternate addresses to the list and disable delivery to them.


>Why doesn't the web page also give the option of authenticating to the 
>server using my mailman account and password, and let the message go 
>through (maybe rewriting the from address in the process) ?
>
>That would be right handy.

Note there is a todo list for Mailman at http://www.list.org/todo.html
which contains the entry

#  Have one account per user per site, with multiple email addresses and
   fallbacks. Allow them to subscribe whichever address they want to
   whichever list, with different options per subscription.

This may address your issue in a different way.

If you want to submit this as a feature request that will actually be
seen by the developers and tracked, the best place to do that is
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives

[Enrique Vega]

On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Lorraine Kerwood wrote:
We need to delete an archive of a new list serve we started. I can't 
find
this option in the admin tools. Can you help me? There is some posted 
info
that was mistakenly posted by a consultant
Thanks so much for any help you can offer.
See the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 3.3.
Mark,
Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages 
from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been 
incorporated into mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found

[Mark Sapiro]

thomas Armstrong wrote:
>
>I'm trying to configure Mailman on my Linux server with Sendmail.
>
>1) I installed it on '/usr/lib/mailman/'
>2) I created a crontab (as root):
>$ crontab /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman
>
>I'm able to subscribe a new user, but when trying to send a new message to
>the mail list, I don't get any answer. There is also no message within the 
>list archive.
>
>And I'm getting this mail within my '/var/spool/mail/root': 
>-
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
 ^^^

>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
> 
>/bin/sh: mailman: command not found
>---
>
>What am I doing wrong? Thank you very much.

There is something wrong with the options you used when you ran
configure. The command "mailman" indicated above should be the command
to invoke Python and it also normally has a -S option too.

As for non-delivery, you may not have put the aliases in Sendmail or
your qrunners may not be running or ...

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 3.14 for more.

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[Mailman-Users] Reply to with list's address in CC field

[Dominik]

Hi all,
I'll do like all newbies seem to do and blatantly come out and state that 
I'm a newbie, to this list and mailman itself, in hopes of procuring the 
elite's pity, patience and self restraint.

My question:
Is it possible to have mailman put the list's address in the CC portion, on 
top of having the actual poster in the Reply-To address?
The goal being that anyone could hit 'reply' to respond to the poster, but 
'reply all' to respond to the poster and have the reply go to the list as well.

Thanks in advance and sorry for any potential n00bieness in my question,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation clean, without internationlization?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 2:52 PM -0700 2004-12-20, Dr. Jones wrote:
>
>>  Is it possible to install mailman without all the other language options,
>>  which I never plan on using?
>
>   Not that I know of.
>
>>   can I limit the language modules installed
>>  to just English, Spanish and German?
>
>   Not that I know of.
>
>
>   So far as I can tell, all the various language stuff is under 
>templates/ and messages/, and comprises a total of about 15008KB 
>(uncompressed), while the total unpacked source distribution is about 
>21824KB (uncompressed).
>
>   You might be able to get away with just deleting all the language 
>subdirectories you don't need, but I wouldn't count on that.


Look at the very end of Defaults.py for the stuff that defines the
LC_DESCRIPTIONS dictionary. A way to deal with this is to copy all of
this from the comment preceding "def _(s):" through "del _" to
mm_cfg.py deleting those add_language lines you don't want (but don't
delete 'en'). Then you can also delete the corresponding language
directories from templates/ and messages/.

Disclaimer: I haven't tried this, but I think it should work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not interpreting FQDN properly?

[Mark Sapiro]

Igor Gueths wrote:
>
>Hi all. I've gotten considerably further in my figuring out why I never
>get any notification messages from Mailman (that would explain why I
>never got anything back from my testlist (s). I did come upon something
>that might give me a hint however. I went to
>http://lava-net.com/mailman/create, and filled in all the fields as
>requested in the list creation form. On the resulting page, I then
>noticed this: Error: Unknown virtual host: lava-net.com
>
>In mm_cfg.py, I have defined DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lava-net.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.lava-net.com'
>I also added add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) below
>my changes, and that didn't have any effect either. I really didn't see
>why I would have to add in add_virtual_host, since I'm not doing virtual 
>domain hosting. Does anyone know how I can get it so Mailman will
>actually believe lava-net.com to be the FQDN?

With the above values for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST you
should be going to http://www.lava-net.com/mailman/create to create a
list. If you really want your web host to be 'lava-net.com' then
that's what you should have in mm_cfg.py for both DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
and DEFAULT_URL_HOST.

Once you make this change, you need to run fix_url to fix the list.


>One thing I forgot to
>mention earlier...In Defaults.py, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST was set to Shadwiga
>(that's the local hostname of this box). And I believe that DEFAULT_URL
>was set to the local hostname as well. Is Mailman actually trying to
>virtualize lava-net.com to the hostname or some dirivitive? This is all
>occuring on Mailman-2.1.5. Thanks!

When the values in Defaults.py for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and
DEFAULT_URL_HOST are wrong, it is a good idea to clear the
VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary in mm_cfg.py since the wrong values were
added in Defaults.py and won't be removed unless you explicitly do so
in mm_cfg.py. This is not absolutely necessary if those original
defaults don't have the same value for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST as one of
the new ones, but it is a good idea.

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 4.29 for more detail on this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working

[Sean]

> We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for
> over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't
> touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our
> mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely
> sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it.
>
> Any ideas?

Are the qrunners still running?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 12:09 PM +0100 2004-12-21, jimk's second account wrote:
>
>>  Received: from agora.rdrop.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1])  by
>>  agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBLAMeNr025963;
>>  Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:30:42 -0800 (PST)   (envelope-from
> ^
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>>  Received: from web42003.mail.yahoo.com (web42003.mail.yahoo.com
>>  [66.218.93.171])by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP
>>  id iBFI30PA031420   for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>  Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:03:00 -0800 (PST)   (envelope-from [EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED])
>   ^^^
>>  Received: (qmail 11968 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2004 18:02:50 -
> ^^
>
>   Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail 
>system, according to these date-time stamps.  There's not a whole lot 
>you can do about this, unfortunately.

I think Brad may have looked a little too quickly at this. It looks to
me like the messages spent the 5+ days in agora.rdrop.com which looks
like your Mailman server.

Since the messages weren't caught in emergency moderation, they
presumably got past that before you turned that on. Therefore they are
either queued in Mailman or in the outgoing MTA. As Tokio said in
another post

>If you have shell access and mailman privilege, then you can
>stop mailman qrunners by bin/mailmanctl stop and inspect the
>queue files in queues/*.

I think he meant qfiles/*. Look particularly in qfiles/out/ and
qfiles/retry/. If you find message files there, you can just delete
them, although if you delete everything, you might be deleting posts
you want.

If the messages arent queued in Mailman, they are probably in the MTA.
if you have sufficient access, you may be able to use a 'mailq'
command or something similar to identify which entries you can delete.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 11:54, blindman jones wrote:
> I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is
> sent out in minutes and all 10  users get the mail from the list... no
> problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent
> back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the
> world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes.

I doubt this is an issue with mailman, rather with your service
providers MTA (Mail Transport Agent). Mailman does not actually send the
mail, rather it contacts the MTA and says "I have mail for these N
addresses, would you please send them when you get a chance?". The MTA
then queues the request, when the message is sent depends on a host of
factors that often dynamically change (hence why the delay is not
consistent or repeatable). Given both Mailman and the MTA are under the
control of your service provider there is not much you can do as a list
owner other than engage your service provider in tracking down the
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[Mailman-Users] Re: view all members of a list on one page

[Paul Williams]

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Then you will receive the info that you can send the following
command
who password
See everyone who is on this mailing list.  The roster is limited to
list administrators and moderators only; you must supply the list
admin or moderator password to retrieve the roster.
pw

Subject: [Mailman-Users] view all members of a list on one page
Message: 1
Hello,
is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless of how
many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the same
beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4.
Greetings
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[Mailman-Users] Weird subscriptions

[Richard Hill]

Lately I've received a number of subscriptions with something such as:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] BCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GUID:
24115997-bb5e-4683-aac1-2b1d8a6dc876 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary=amh --amh --amh-- .

All the copy above was in the simple "address" box.

I approved one and it screwed up looking at the list of subscribers.  I've
pinged the apparent subscribers, in this case
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and all are bounces.

Any experience in what causes this?  Or how to stop it if these are spoof
messages?

Dick Hill
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: view all members of a list on one page

[Jerold Stratton]

is it possible to see all members of a list on one page ,regardless 
of how
many users are subscribed to this list and not just those with the 
same
beginning letter? We are using mailman version 2.1.4.
This is not a default option, but it's easy enough to add if you are 
comfortable editing the python files.

Note that this will add this feature to *all* administrative 
interfaces; line numbers may be slightly off. And always make backups.

Mailman/Gui/Membership.py:
add
('listall', _('List All')),
to GetConfigSubCategories(self, category)
Mailman/Cgi/admin.py line 488, add feature code to:
if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove'):
i.e.
if subcat not in ('list', 'add', 'remove', 'listall'):
line 814 from:
if len(all) < chunksz:
to:
if len(all) < chunksz  or subcat == 'listall':
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Long subject lines get extra padding from mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

Miles Waller wrote:
>
>I have verified this problem in mailman versions 2.1.2 and 2.1.5.  The 
>problem seems to be that the second and subsequent lines of a long 
>header are indented when they are folded onto new lines.  From my basic 
>testing, the isseu seems to be related to the presence of the indents, 
>rather than the actual line breaks.
>
>The impact is that several mail clients (tested thunderbird 0.9, outlook 
>express 5.5, outlook 2000) try faithfully to display all the extra 
>spaces between words, causing a gap to appear in the subject line which 
>can be quite noticeable in certain circumstances.

I wouldn't rely on lookout - er outlook or outlook express to provide
an example of correct behavior in am MUA.

>Here is a sample of the headers:
>
 
>Subject: This is a really long subject line. The quick brown fox jumped
>   over the lazy dog, but the dog wasn't so lazy after all! The fox had 
> roused
>   a sleeping giant, so to speak, and that dog jumped right up and bit him 
> on
>   the behind! Not quick enough, Mr Fox!
>X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>
>Is this a bug in mailman, or is it something in the list settings that I can 
>change?
>Has anyone else had this problem, and how have they worked round it?

Actually, the indents are a single horizontal-tab character. The
process of folding and unfolding long headers is described in RFC
2822, sec 2.2.3
(http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html#sec-2.2.3).
The standard suggests that folding SHOULD be done at higher level
syntactic breaks, but there are no such things in Subject: headers.

I think it is actually wrong of Mailman to effectively change a "space"
to a "tab" when it folds a Subject: header, so in that sense this is a
bug, but that said, different MUAs will react differently to this.
Many will still unfold in the RFC 822 way which drops the CRLF and the
following white space character which results in words being run
together at the folds. Others will just drop the CRLF which is the RFC
2822 way and effectively results here in a "space" being replaced by
"tab".

Everyone has the problem. I think most people just ignore it. The bug
has been reported -
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=736559&group_id=103&atid=100103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Single user's mail delayed ONLY to list

[Mark Sapiro]

blindman jones wrote:

>I am using a mail list through a service provider, so I need some help
>with what questions to ask...
>
>I have a list, 10 users... 9 users send mail to list and their mail is
>sent out in minutes and all 10  users get the mail from the list... no
>problem. The 10th user sends a mail to the list and it is not sent
>back out to the list for 4-10 hours. Mail sent to anyone else in the
>world by the 10th user gets sent and delivered in minutes.
>
>We have tried unsubscribing and resubscribing his email to the list...
>doesn't help.
>
>I have looked through every possible option in the admin interface and
>we are stumped.
>
>Why would ONLY one users mail be delayed when sending to the list?

I assume the obvious thing like "he's moderated" has been ruled out.

>What questions do I ask my service provider to get the information
>needed to figure this out?


First you need to look at the chain of Received: headers in one or more
of his posts as received from the list and figure out where the delay
is occurring. Since the delay is only with his posts to the list, it
probably occurs somewhere between the poster and the Mailman host, but
the received headers will say for sure.

Once you know where the delay is, you have a better idea who to
contact. The same Received: headers are what you need to report to the
admin(s) of the involved server(s).

>I know this is not a lot of info to get an immediate answer... but I
>need to figure this out... it is quite annoying and has left our
>friend frustrated.
>
>oh, and he and i have a second list on the same server and he sends
>one mail to the first list and then another to the second... the
>second list gets his post in minutes the first, again... is delayed
>for hours.


Well, now it's beginning to look like you haven't ruled out moderation.
Is there a X-Mailman-Approved-At: header in his posts?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Enrique Vega wrote:
>
>Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages 
>from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been 
>incorporated into mailman.

When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to
the project, it will happen.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply to with list's address in CC field

[Mark Sapiro]

Dominik wrote:
>
>My question:
>Is it possible to have mailman put the list's address in the CC portion, on 
>top of having the actual poster in the Reply-To address?
>The goal being that anyone could hit 'reply' to respond to the poster, but 
>'reply all' to respond to the poster and have the reply go to the list as well.
>

If you don't do any header munging, that's the way it works now. The
poster has her/his From: or Reply-To: address that returns a simple
"reply" to her/him. The list address is in the To: (or maybe the Cc:),
so "reply all" goes to the poster and the list and any other To:
and/or Cc: addressees.

It works like that with all MUAs that I am familiar with including
Eudora. The only problem is if the OP put the list in a Bcc:, but that
usually results in the post being caught in the "implicit destination"
filter anyway.

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[Mailman-Users] attachment

[erik]

I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes
with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik
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[Mailman-Users] NFS confusion

[Mauricio Tavares]

	I feel stupid.  I have a machine that is our mailserver (Solaris 8) and 
where mailman is run from.  I also have a machine (Solaris 9) that is 
our webserver.  Currently, I am running apache in the mailserver so I 
can access the mailman pages, but I would like to move that to the 
webserver.  Fromw hat I understood, I could NFS mount the mailman 
directory to the webserver and then tell apache there to run it. So, I 
nfs exported the directory (here's the /etc/dfs/dfstab entry):

share -F nfs -o rw=webserver,anon=0 /usr/local/mailman
Then, I mounted the directory
webserver #> mount mailserver:/usr/local/mailman /usr/local/mailman
without a problem (and, yes, I am making a point, for now, to keep the 
paths in both machines exactly the same).  I then setup it in apache's 
httpd.conf:


 DocumentRoot "/usr/local/mailman"
 ServerName mailman.my.domain.com
 ScriptAlias /mail/"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
 ScriptAlias /mailman/"/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
 Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
 CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/access.mailman combined
 ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/errors.mailman

And then made sure mailman is now a CNAME to the webserver. Now, when I 
try to access it, I get nothing but an error message (I would write it 
here but I disabled the above.  If you want, I can redo it all and copy 
it down).  What have I done wrong?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail from emergency moderated list

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:30 AM -0800 2004-12-21, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Looks like these messages got held up within the Yahoo! mail
system, according to these date-time stamps.  There's not a whole lot
you can do about this, unfortunately.
 I think Brad may have looked a little too quickly at this. It looks to
 me like the messages spent the 5+ days in agora.rdrop.com which looks
 like your Mailman server.
Dang.  You're right.  The holdup was on agora.rdrop.com.
Good catch.  Thanks!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

erik wrote:

>I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes
>with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 4.39.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Weird subscriptions

[Mark Sapiro]

Richard Hill wrote:

>Lately I've received a number of subscriptions with something such as:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] BCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-GUID:
>24115997-bb5e-4683-aac1-2b1d8a6dc876 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>boundary=amh --amh --amh-- .
>
>All the copy above was in the simple "address" box.
>
>I approved one and it screwed up looking at the list of subscribers.  I've
>pinged the apparent subscribers, in this case
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and all are bounces.
>
>Any experience in what causes this?  Or how to stop it if these are spoof
>messages?

This is only a wild guess, but possibly there is a "broken" e-mail worm
that is trying to send itself out to a group of harvested addresses
that includes your list's -join or -subscribe address and the headers
in the message it sends are run together without CRLF line breaks or
with leading white space that makes them look like one long header.

It seems that your list already requires approval for new subs, and
probably the best you can do is discard these and not worry about it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2nd Question: BypassingConfirmation/Approval for New Subscribers

[Mike Ewall]

Mark,
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I did understand what you meant the first time, but I didn't realize that 
-- at least on my web host -- the list name is the full 
"listname_domain.name" (I originally tried your suggestion with only the 
listname, which apparently is why it was considered an unknown list).

I got it to work after you inspired me to look more closely at the URIs 
that Mailman uses.

Many thanks!
Mike
At 04:35 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
Mike Ewall wrote:
>
>I tried out the wget method mentioned below, but it doesn't seem to work
>for me either.  Trying them through a browser gives me a "CGI script error"
>stating "Error: No such list [listname]."  Trying the commands while SSH'd
>into the server gives errors as well.
>
>Any idea why the wget methods described in the thread earlier this month
>(http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041209.html)
>wouldn't work?
The part of the URI to the left of the "?" in e.g.
http://[domain.name]/mailman/admin/[listname]/members/add?subscribees=[user_email_address]&adminpw=[admin_password]&send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0&send_notifications_to_list_owner=0
should be exactly the same as the URI of the Membership
Management...->Mass Subscription page in your web admin interface for
the list. Is that the case in your tests? Also, the "[" and "]" around
the domain.name, listname, user email address and admin password are
to indicate that these are "variables". They are not literally
included in the URI.
If what you tried is "correct" with these things in mind, then I have
no idea why it doesn't work. When I do it, it returns the Mass
Subscription page with a Successfully subscribed indication for [user
email address].
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