Re: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using mail man.

[Heather Madrone]

At 9:13 AM +0200 4/1/05, Brad Knowles wrote:
>   In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a 
>bunch of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement 
>welcoming them to the list, and large numbers of people start 
>immediately responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, 
>etc that means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you 
>a spammer.

Although it is amazing the number of people who can get themselves
on a double opt-in Mailman list with unsubscribe links everywhere
they turn and still send "GET ME OFF THIS STUPID LIST OR
ELSE!" messages to the whole list.  Or fail to find the list on their
yahoogroups and so decide that the best way to get off the list is to
report it as spam.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using mail man.

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:43 PM -0500 2005-03-31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now know how to set it up as announce only.  I even know how to put  my
 database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail.  How  do I
 stop the continuing replies?
	Well, that depends on how they're doing the continuing replies. 
If all those people are doing "Reply-All", then most of them are 
being sent directly from each person to each other person who was 
named in the previous message to which someone did a "Reply-All", and 
since none of that passes through your machines, there's not much you 
can do.

	Anything passing through your machines should be passing through 
your lists, and if you've got the list configurations set up 
correctly now, they should already be stopped.

 Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here,
 but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me  out.
	In my experience, one general rule is that when you add a bunch 
of people to a list and you don't send out an announcement welcoming 
them to the list, and large numbers of people start immediately 
responding with "STOP SENDING ME E-MAIL" complaints, etc that 
means you're basically sending spam, and that makes you a spammer.

	In the future, if you don't want to be lumped in with that class 
of person, I would encourage you to do things differently so that 
your activities do not encourage those people to respond that way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about your product

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:05 PM -0800 2005-03-31, Heather Arthur wrote:
 I am currently looking for a system that we can dump thousands of emails
 into.
	You might want to clarify your requirements so that people don't 
confuse you with a spammer.

   We will need to be able to send an email out to all of our subscribers
 from an alias email (that will be attached to a blog site). We need to have
 unsubscribe option (preferable the htlm so we can use on our current site)
 and a subscribe option that we can up on our blog site. We need to be able
 to have different lists.
	All of this can be done with Mailman.  Some of it might require 
editing some HTML templates or other minor modifications to the 
configuration, but it shouldn't be too hard.

   How many people can we have on one list?
	There is no set arbitrary limit.  The real practical limit is how 
many users can you serve?  See 
 
for more information.

We also
 want a web based software.
	Mailman does have a web administration component, but there are 
some things that are more easily done from the command-line of the 
server where the software is installed, or can only be done from the 
command-line.

	If you want to learn more about it, I'd encourage you to read 
through the documentation linked under 
, the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
, and search the archives 
of the mailman-users mailing list according to the instructions at 
.

 Let me know if you can help me. This is very time sensitive to a quick
 response would be appreciated. I find phone calls best.
	Well, considering that you didn't give us any telephone number 
for contacting you, that's obviously not going to happen.  Moreover, 
this is an open-source project that is supported on an as-available 
basis by the developers in their part-time, so even if you had given 
us a phone number you almost certainly wouldn't get someone to call 
you about it.

	Although I believe that Mailman is one of the best mailing list 
management programs on the 'net, there is no commercial organization 
behind it that is pushing sales or anything.

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[Mailman-Users] A funny thing happened while using mail man.

[ICHRONSTUDIO]

I incorrectly set up my newsletter.  Instead of being announce only it  
allowed 400 people to reply to all.  shortly there after people emails were  
filled 
with hundred of "please stop sending me email".  If no one had  replied 
there'd be no mess, but that's the funny part.   The not funny  part is I might 
get 
fired over this. its has been three day and the emails wont  stop.  We 
removed the database, we stopped using mail man, and we prayed a  little that 
it 
would fade.  However it hasn't yet.
 
I now know how to set it up as announce only.  I even know how to put  my 
database on with out sending out a thank you for subscribing mail.  How  do I 
stop the continuing replies?
 
Sorry to bother you about this, it was my own ignorance that put me here,  
but I was hoping that you might be able to suggest sometihng to get me  out.
Jo  Vasquez
   
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[Mailman-Users] Question about your product

[Heather Arthur]

I am currently looking for a system that we can dump thousands of emails
into. We will need to be able to send an email out to all of our subscribers
from an alias email (that will be attached to a blog site). We need to have
unsubscribe option (preferable the htlm so we can use on our current site)
and a subscribe option that we can up on our blog site. We need to be able
to have different lists. How many people can we have on one list? We also
want a web based software.

Let me know if you can help me. This is very time sensitive to a quick
response would be appreciated. I find phone calls best.

Thanks so much and I look forward to hearing from you!

Heather


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non moderated lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Xavih wrote:
>
>There is any way to create non moderated list (or open list)?
>I would like to have a list where anyone can post mails whithout pass though 
>the filter of the moderator, it is possible?


On the list's admin->Privacy options...->Sender filters page set
generic_nonmember_action to Accept.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non moderated lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:10 AM +0200 2005-03-31, Xavih wrote:
 There is any way to create non moderated list (or open list)?
	Sure.  Create a list, and don't turn on the "moderate by default" 
options, or anything else that would cause your users to be moderated.

	Take a look at 
 
and see the sorts of things that you want to *avoid* doing.

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Re: [exim] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mail on one list

[Philip Hazel]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Stephanie wrote:

> > If other sites are using ident, and your firewall drops ident packets,
> > then you would get a 30 second delay on many outgoing connection
> > attempts.
> 
> Which would affect all other outgoing mail on my server, right?  

No, only outgoing mail to sites that use ident.

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Re: [exim] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mail on one list

[Nigel Metheringham]

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 22:51 -0600, Stephanie wrote:
> The firewall I use is APF and other than adding some ROKSO spammer IP
> addresses and the Spamhaus DROP list to it about once a week, there
> hadn't been any changes to it.  I'm not using ident in Exim either.

If other sites are using ident, and your firewall drops ident packets,
then you would get a 30 second delay on many outgoing connection
attempts.

> I did uncover one bit of info today, this list is on a domain that
> only hosts one other list (and practically nothing else, one tiny
> website with very little activity and both lists do not keep Mailman
> archives) and that other list is also having the same slow mail
> delivery.  It hadn't had any posts in about a month and a message was
> posted today, processed by Mailman and sent to Exim at 16:38 pm EST
> today and it took 50 minutes for the message to go out from Exim to
> the 226 members on individual mail delivery.  That pretty much the
> same delivery stats as on the other larger list.

In that case I would be looking very carefully at DNS - if your
externally visible DNS for that domain is odd you may find that many
systems you are sending mail to have a long delay on basic verification
- which will slow down your outgoing speed.

Look at your log entries and work out where the delay is - if there is a
huge delay between reception and first delivery then the problem is
likely somewhere in your routing.  If the delay is instead spread out
between deliveries then there is something, most likely DNS related,
thats slowing down the other systems taking mail from you.

Nigel.

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[Mailman-Users] Non moderated lists

[Xavih]

Good morning!

It's only few time we have mailman list in use, so I'm new in mailman 
administration, and I have a request from users I don't know how to solve.

As you say in the advise of "Mailman-Users -- Mailman mailing list management 
users":
Please note that posts from non-subscribers will require a human moderator to 
examine them to determine that they are on-topic and appropriate for the list, 
and this may cause the message to be delayed by hours or perhaps longer, 
depending on how busy the moderators are.

There is any way to create non moderated list (or open list)?
I would like to have a list where anyone can post mails whithout pass though 
the filter of the moderator, it is possible?
Thanks in advance,

Xavih
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