[Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1 Mailman install

[Daevid Vincent]

I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing so I upgraded
Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and access to the files,
but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1

I've followed two different "upgrade" posts to go from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
but both ways have left my lists "empty".

Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same thing as the other
method I tried.

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18

cd $MM20
mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
rm archives/public/foo-list
rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
cd $MM21

daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
Importing fix_url...
Running fix_url.fix_url()...
Loading list rbc (locked)
Saving list
Finalizing

But when I type "./list_members rbc" nothing shows up. :(

How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!


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[Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3

[Obantec Support]

Hi

I am running FC3 and installed mailman using yum.
now the cron is running but root emails show

  Subject Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailman
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled


Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

i put a link in /bin/mailman to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

and from bash with mailman i get Usage: mailman program [args...] so it
seems to find mailman ok.

but

[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

Mark

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[Mailman-Users] I am Confused and Ignorant!

[DCoyne]

I've been using Mailman for about a year and a half now, and I'm still as 
confused as ever.
The biggest issue I need help with, for starters, is that when people unsub 
from the egroup, or if I unsub them, they show back up on the list at a later 
date. How do I get rid of them for good??
I also have learned that people can be on the list but be invisible. How can 
I, as the administrator, see the invisible people?
Please bear in mind that I don't even understand what most of the settings on 
the list do.
Thanks for taking the time to help me out. Trust me, if this works out, there 
will be plenty more questions from me!
Shelly

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[Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all users

[mustafa]

] how could i send a message to all users   in yahoo mail or hotmail users



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Re: [Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all users

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:20 AM +0300 2005-04-05, mustafa wrote:
 ] how could i send a message to all users   in yahoo mail or hotmail users
	You mean, by sending an e-mail message to your list?  Send an 
e-mail message to the list, and it goes to everyone subscribed to the 
list.

	If you want to send a message to all members within a given 
domain and no one sle, you're going to have a lot more work to do, 
and some custom programming.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] I am Confused and Ignorant!

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:20 PM -0400 2005-04-03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The biggest issue I need help with, for starters, is that when people unsub
 from the egroup, or if I unsub them, they show back up on the list at a later
 date. How do I get rid of them for good??
	If you want to get rid of them permanently, you need to put their 
address on the "ban" list.

 I also have learned that people can be on the list but be invisible. How can
 I, as the administrator, see the invisible people?
	You can only see them from the web administration interface.  But 
as a list administrator, you can see everyone via the web interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how could i send a message to all users

[Jason]

I personally every once and a while send a who request to mailman and add
the emails to a unadvertised/moderated All-Users list.
It seems to work pretty good for me when I want to email all the people on 
all my lists. And it also saves them getting multiple copies of the email if 
they are on more then 1 list. 

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

[D Umesh]

Hi All 
 
We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast. 
 
Thanks and Regards 
Umesh 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

[Sythos]

On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
> We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
> lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
> takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
> changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast. 

Too few argument...
Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?

[George Booth]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "George Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?
Your error trace below shows a problem in scrubbing an attachment which
is only done for digests and archives. Possibly the list was set up
this time with different content filtering or with no digests or
archives.
Hmm...when I recreated the list the last time, I actually did turn off 
digesting. It doesn't require digesting, so I figured I'd turn it off, but 
got distracted by several fires that needed attending to and forgot I'd done 
that. Strange that none of the other lists are having a problem with 
digesting. Archives are turned off for all lists because of mail delivery 
degradation when it's turned on.

I don't know why you couldn't find the files. The first several are
Mailman modules and the rest are Python library modules. They were
clearly there when the error occurred, and unless Mailman and/or
Python moved in the interim, they must still be there.
It was most likely user error on my part in not finding the files. That and 
I was swamped with a few other things and probably didn't search hard enough 
when the pathway didn't come through.

Mailman is attempting to scrub an attachment from the digest. It is
attempting to get the file name from the Content-Disposition: header
using the email.Message.get_filename('') method from the Python
library. It appears that this header is malformed in some way
(possibly bad RFC 2231 encoding) that is causing the ultimate error in
the library routines.
Hmm, most of the messages came from a Mac user; I don't know if that one 
specifically did or not. Wonder if that could be part of the problem?

There should be some kind of error trace analogous to this one for each
of the shunted messages although the error may not always be the same.
Thanks, I'll check when I get the chance. :)
<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam

[Scott P. Miller]

Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services - yahoo, 
hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists treated as 
Spam. 

Is there anything I can do to change that?  I know the recepient can 
setup filters and whitelist, but I often use this for company mail 
annoucements where the end recepient is getting it because they use the 
mailing list for work, but they aren't really swift enough to do much 
more than read.

Thanks,
Scott Miller
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:36 AM -0700 2005-04-05, Scott P. Miller wrote:
 Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services -
 yahoo, hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists
 treated as Spam.
Old problem.
 Is there anything I can do to change that?
	Not really.  See 
.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only

[Brian Dina]

I am setting up a mailing list for one of my clients, using Mailman v2.1.5p1

I want to set it up so that ONLY the List Administrator(s) can post messages
to the mailing list (i.e. I want to use Mailman as a simple mailing list
only and NOT a discussion list).  

 

Where do I go to set that option?  --or--  do I  do that in Membership
Management?

Thanks,
~Brian

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman messages treated as Spam

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 9:36 AM -0700 2005-04-05, Scott P. Miller wrote:
>
>>  Many of my users are complaining that commercial mail services -
>>  yahoo, hotmail, aol, clients with Postini - have their Mailman lists
>>  treated as Spam.
>
>   Old problem.
>
>>  Is there anything I can do to change that?
>
>   Not really.  See 
>.
>


And just to add another data point to this thread, I have a yahoo.com
and a netscape.net address that are subscribed to one of my lists in
digest mode. The digests go through to both inboxes, but the monthly
password reminders are called spam by Yahoo.com (each month, I click
this is not spam, but it doesn't help). The reminders go Netscape.net
OK.

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[Mailman-Users] Day of year?

[Larry Rosenman]

I'm getting a BUNCH of these, and also my BounceRunner as well, causing it
to 
Die.

FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5, Python/Mailman from ports (rebuilt today), Exim
(from Ports).

This has been happening even with the previous Python.

HELP.



Apr 05 21:19:08 2005 (78076) No such list "inet04":
Apr 05 21:31:51 2005 admin(78820):

admin(78820): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -]
admin(78820): [- Traceback --]
admin(78820): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
admin(78820): main()
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 162,
in main
admin(78820): reenable_prompt(mlist, doc, cookie, *content[1:])
admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 780,
in reenable_prompt
admin(78820): date = time.strftime('%A, %B %d, %Y', info.date + (0,) *
6)
admin(78820): ValueError: day of year out of range
admin(78820): [- Python Information -]
admin(78820): sys.version =   2.4.1 (#2, Apr  5 2005, 00:43:35)
[GCC 3.4.2 [FreeBSD] 20040728]
admin(78820): sys.executable  =   /usr/local/bin/python
admin(78820): sys.prefix  =   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.path=   /usr/local
admin(78820): sys.platform=   freebsd5
admin(78820): [- Environment Variables -]
admin(78820):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.22
OpenSSL/0.9.7d
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/confirm
admin(78820):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.33 Server at
elists.isoc.org Port 80
admin(78820):
admin(78820):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(78820):   PATH_INFO:
/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf6019562370a3
admin(78820):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(78820):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(78820):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows
NT 5.1)
admin(78820):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(78820):   SERVER_NAME: elists.isoc.org
admin(78820):   REMOTE_ADDR: 61.152.122.146
admin(78820):   HTTP_VIA: 1.1 NETMNG_BACKUP
admin(78820):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/usr/local/www/data/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956
2370a3
admin(78820):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(78820):   SERVER_ADDR: 66.77.130.70
admin(78820):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/www/data
admin(78820):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm
admin(78820):   SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_URI:
http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe
9cc54aa40fdbf6019562370a3
admin(78820):   HTTP_HOST: elists.isoc.org
admin(78820):   SCRIPT_URL:
/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956237
0a3
admin(78820):   REQUEST_URI:
/mailman/confirm/isoc-members-announce/49938936a60f9fe9cc54aa40fdbf601956237
0a3
admin(78820):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(78820):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(78820):   REMOTE_PORT: 29829
admin(78820):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: zh-cn
admin(78820):   UNIQUE_ID: QlM8BkJNgkYAACGfBIE
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

[D Umesh]

Hi 
 
Mailman is running on SLES 8  (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1),
Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68
Regards 
Umesh 

>>>Sythos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>>
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
>We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
>lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
>takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
>changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast.

Too few argument...
Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1 Mailmaninstall

[Mark Sapiro]

Daevid Vincent wrote:

>I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing so I upgraded
>Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and access to the files,
>but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1
>
>I've followed two different "upgrade" posts to go from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
>but both ways have left my lists "empty".
>
>Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same thing as the other
>method I tried.
>
>http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18
>
>cd $MM20
>mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
>mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
>mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
>rm archives/public/foo-list
>rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
>cd $MM21
>
>daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
>Importing fix_url...
>Running fix_url.fix_url()...
>Loading list rbc (locked)
>Saving list
>Finalizing
>
>But when I type "./list_members rbc" nothing shows up. :(
>
>How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!

I am guessing from the 

rm archives/public/foo-list
rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox

above that you created the foo-list on 2.1 first. This is the problem.
Creating foo-list creates $MM21/lists/foo-list/config.pck. Then the
"mv" moves the old 2.0 lists/foo-list/config.db file. Then Mailman
sees the new config.pck and never tries to import config.db.

The solution is to remove the config.pck and config.pck.last leaving
only the config.db and config.db.last. Then run fix_url and you should
be OK as long as the Marshal format in config.db is compatible with
the Python on the Gentoo box.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman path issue FC3

[Mark Sapiro]

Obantec Support wrote:
>
>I am running FC3 and installed mailman using yum.
>now the cron is running but root emails show
>
>  Subject Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailman
>/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>
>
>Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>
>i put a link in /bin/mailman to /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman

I don't know why you would need to link /bin/mailman to anything, but
in any case, /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman is the wrapper that handles
incoming mail. It has nothing to do with cron jobs.

>and from bash with mailman i get Usage: mailman program [args...] so it
>seems to find mailman ok.
>
>but
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
>Illegal command: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled

The crontab that runs this expects it to be in
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled and it either isn't there or doesn't
have execute permission or ??

Are the cron scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/cron/? if so, it must be a
permission issue. If not, move them there, put a link there to where
they are or change the crontab entries to point to where they are.

I'm not a Red Hat guy so this probably isn't the optimum advice, but it
should give you a clue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunted messages idea?

[Mark Sapiro]

George Booth wrote:
>
>Hmm...when I recreated the list the last time, I actually did turn off 
>digesting. It doesn't require digesting, so I figured I'd turn it off, but 
>got distracted by several fires that needed attending to and forgot I'd done 
>that. Strange that none of the other lists are having a problem with 
>digesting. Archives are turned off for all lists because of mail delivery 
>degradation when it's turned on.

Other lists aren't having a problem because it's probably caused by one
particular list member with a pathological MUA.


>
>Hmm, most of the messages came from a Mac user; I don't know if that one 
>specifically did or not. Wonder if that could be part of the problem?


Yes, see above. Not necessarily because it's a Mac user, but the
specific MUA being used and also posts containing multiple MIME parts.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only

[Mark Sapiro]

- Original Message ---

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only
   From: "Brian Dina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:03:29 -0700
 To: 

>I am setting up a mailing list for one of my clients, using Mailman v2.1.5p1
>
>I want to set it up so that ONLY the List Administrator(s) can post messages
>to the mailing list (i.e. I want to use Mailman as a simple mailing list
>only and NOT a discussion list).  
>
> 
>
>Where do I go to set that option?  --or--  do I  do that in Membership
>Management?

See the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Article 3.11

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Day of year?

[Mark Sapiro]

Larry Rosenman wrote:

>I'm getting a BUNCH of these, and also my BounceRunner as well, causing it
>to 
>Die.
>
>FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p5, Python/Mailman from ports (rebuilt today), Exim
>(from Ports).
>
>This has been happening even with the previous Python.


By previous Python, do you mean a prior 2.4 version or 2.3? Supposedly
this doesn't happen with 2.3.


>admin(78820):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", line 780,
>in reenable_prompt
>admin(78820): date = time.strftime('%A, %B %d, %Y', info.date + (0,) *
>6)
>admin(78820): ValueError: day of year out of range
>admin(78820): [- Python Information -]
>admin(78820): sys.version =   2.4.1 (#2, Apr  5 2005, 00:43:35)


See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043640.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems

[Mark Sapiro]

D Umesh wrote:
> 
>Mailman is running on SLES 8  (Kernel - 2.4.21-231-smp #1),
>Sendmail-8.12.6-159, mailman-2.0.14-18, python-2.2.1-68
>Regards 
>Umesh 
>
Sythos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/05/05 11:43 am >>>
>On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 05:39:57AM -0600, D Umesh wrote:
>>We are using mailman, but whenever a user sends a mail the mailing
>>lists, the mails are not getting delivered immediately, sometime it
>>takes 5min, a week.  Can any one please let me know the configuration
>>changes to be done so that mails get delivered fast.
>
>Too few argument...
>Detail of system? OS? MTA? version of mailman and python?

Visit the FAQ wizard
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for terms like performance and tuning

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