[Mailman-Users] Monthly Reminders

2005-05-18 Thread Jason
If a user is signed upto multiple lists and the end of the month rolls around 
does the person get a email from each list or one email with the info for 
multiple lists in it.

 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Weather @ 2:10am - Temp: 2.1 °C - Humidity 83 % - Wind: NW @ 0 km/h
 Baro: 1021 kPa Steady - Vis: 14 km - Sky: Few Clouds - Weather: ---

 =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 TO SEE OUR DIRECTORY OF MAILING LISTS VISIT WEATHERSERVER.NET
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

2005-05-18 Thread Sub Zero
Hello,

I have some emails that have missed the automatic bounce processor and got
sent to listadmin.  Where should I send those bounced emails?

Have a nice day.
--
SubZero

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] deleting archives

2005-05-18 Thread Fabrice Régnier
Hi to all ;)

I've been searching around the web and i found only the rmlist -a tool 
to delete archives. Is there a way to delete archives without deleting 
lists ?

regards,

f.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Reminders

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:13 AM -0400 2005-05-18, Jason wrote:

  If a user is signed upto multiple lists and the end of the month rolls
  around does the person get a email from each list or one email with the
  info for multiple lists in it.

They'll get one reminder e-mail for each e-mail address that 
they've used to subscribe to your various mailing lists.  If they've 
used multiple e-mail addresses, they'll get multiple reminders.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:30 AM +0300 2005-05-18, Sub Zero wrote:

  I have some emails that have missed the automatic bounce processor and got
  sent to listadmin.  Where should I send those bounced emails?

You need to look at them and decide how to deal with them yourself.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:32 AM +0200 2005-05-18, Fabrice Régnier wrote:

  I've been searching around the web and i found only the rmlist -a tool
  to delete archives. Is there a way to delete archives without deleting
  lists ?

Have you tried simply using rm on the archive mailbox files and 
the archive directory structure?

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives

2005-05-18 Thread Fabrice Régnier

 Have you tried simply using rm on the archive mailbox files and 
 the archive directory structure?

Nope. First, i was looking for a clean way to do it (with web interface 
by instance).

I've found this that tells to rm some files.
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-May/036586.html

regards,

f.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] deleting archives

2005-05-18 Thread John Fleming
 I've been searching around the web and i found only the rmlist -a tool
 to delete archives. Is there a way to delete archives without deleting
 lists ?

Sure:

bin/arch --wipe listname /dev/null

Depending on how you run this, you might have to fix perms on the archive 
mailboxes before you can access the page from the web that says there are no 
archives.

- John



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/2005

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

2005-05-18 Thread Sub Zero
Where does mailman get those returns? I might try modifying some of the
scripts.

-Original Message-
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Sub Zero
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

At 9:30 AM +0300 2005-05-18, Sub Zero wrote:

  I have some emails that have missed the automatic bounce processor 
 and got  sent to listadmin.  Where should I send those bounced emails?

You need to look at them and decide how to deal with them yourself.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

2005-05-18 Thread Sub Zero
Yess... Exactly :) Thank you for clarifying my message. Wrote that one and
went directly to bed...

For this, I have tried subscribing to the -devel*s list but it's got
rejected...

Ps: He :D

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:06 PM
To: Brad Knowles; Sub Zero
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

Brad Knowles wrote:

At 9:30 AM +0300 2005-05-18, Sub Zero wrote:

 I have some emails that have missed the automatic bounce processor 
 and got  sent to listadmin.  Where should I send those bounced emails?

 You need to look at them and decide how to deal with them yourself.

I think (s)he's asking to whom/where should (s)he report unrecognized bounce
formats so that automated bounce processing can be updated in a future
release to handle those formats.

I know I've seen a note somewhere about this, but I can't find it at the
moment. The best place I can think of off hand, which might be wrong, is to
send them to the mailman-developers@python.org list.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic processing

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Sub Zero wrote:

Where does mailman get those returns? I might try modifying some of the
scripts.

It's all handled in Mailman/Bouncers/ starting with
Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py. All you need to do is add a new
handler and put it in BOUNCE_PIPLINE. See
Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py for more info.

Lots of sample bounce messages are in tests/bounces/

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mike Alberghini
I'm the admin of a Mailman server that is quickly running out of disk space.
One of the solutions our fearless leader wants to implement is a sitewide 
limit on message size.  I know I can set a default limit in mm_cfg.py, but
the list owners can always change that.  Is there a way to lock certain
settings so that they cannot be changed by anyone except the site admin?

-- 
Michael Alberghini
Software Systems Engineer
Georgia State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread George Booth
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Alberghini [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be 
changed?


 You can modify the GUI to remove the option from the web interface.
 That still allows changes with bin/config_list or bin/withlist, but
 that's presumably limited to the site admins.

 Short of that, I don't think there's a way.

Where is the GUI file kept? I have a need to remove the option from the GUI 
allowing users to activate their archives (we don't allow them because of 
performance degradation with email when Mailman archives), but have no idea 
where the GUI file might be kept.


George Booth iTech System Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Southern Mississippi 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:03 PM -0400 2005-05-18, Mike Alberghini wrote:

  I'm the admin of a Mailman server that is quickly running out of disk space.
  One of the solutions our fearless leader wants to implement is a sitewide
  limit on message size.  I know I can set a default limit in mm_cfg.py, but
  the list owners can always change that.  Is there a way to lock certain
  settings so that they cannot be changed by anyone except the site admin?

Make the change in your MTA.  Nothing will pass through the 
server unless it is below the limit in question, and it won't matter 
what the settings are on the Mailman mailing lists.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:52 PM -0500 2005-05-18, George Booth wrote:

  Where is the GUI file kept? I have a need to remove the option from the GUI
  allowing users to activate their archives (we don't allow them because of
  performance degradation with email when Mailman archives), but have no idea
  where the GUI file might be kept.

It's not a GUI file.  It is the GUI as created by the Python 
programs that generate the required HTML.  So, you're talking about 
hacking Python code.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread George Booth
- Original Message - 
From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: George Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be 
changed?


 At 2:52 PM -0500 2005-05-18, George Booth wrote:

  Where is the GUI file kept? I have a need to remove the option from the 
 GUI
  allowing users to activate their archives (we don't allow them because 
 of
  performance degradation with email when Mailman archives), but have no 
 idea
  where the GUI file might be kept.

 It's not a GUI file.  It is the GUI as created by the Python programs 
 that generate the required HTML.  So, you're talking about hacking Python 
 code.

That would explain why I couldn't find it. So, it's a binary code, not conf 
files or anything I can directly edit. Not very convenient, eh? Anyway, 
thanks for the info. :)


George Booth iTech System Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Southern Mississippi 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
George Booth wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip

 It's not a GUI file.  It is the GUI as created by the Python programs 
 that generate the required HTML.  So, you're talking about hacking Python 
 code.

That would explain why I couldn't find it. So, it's a binary code, not conf 
files or anything I can directly edit. Not very convenient, eh? Anyway, 
thanks for the info. :)

Well, not exactly a binary code. It's python scripts.

The actual processing module for the administrative interface is
Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, but the modules that generate the various pages
are in Mailman/Gui/.

You could remove the 'archive' option from Mailman/Gui/Archive.py

Alternatively, I *think* (Warning! I don't know what I'm talking about)
you can just remove the Mailman/Gui/Archive.py* files alltogether AND
put

ARCHIVE_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off

in mm_cfg.py to remove the Archiving Options completely and default
'archive' to Off for new lists. If you did this, I think the only way
to turn archiving on or off for a list would be with bin/withlist.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 3:21 PM -0500 2005-05-18, George Booth wrote:

  That would explain why I couldn't find it. So, it's a binary code, not conf
  files or anything I can directly edit. Not very convenient, eh? Anyway,
  thanks for the info. :)

No, it's not binary code.  Mailman is written in Python.  Python 
is shipped as source code, and only gets compiled when it is needed 
for execution -- think of it as a cross between interpreted languages 
(like Basic) and typical compiled languages (like C).

If you make source code changes to Python and restart Mailman, 
they will be picked up.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alternatively, I *think* (Warning! I don't know what I'm talking about)
you can just remove the Mailman/Gui/Archive.py* files alltogether AND
put

ARCHIVE_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off

in mm_cfg.py to remove the Archiving Options completely and default
'archive' to Off for new lists.

Oooops. That should be

ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:09 PM -0700 2005-05-18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')

Why not instead have the following in mm_cfg.py:

ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
 # First column
 'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest', 'digest',
 # Second column
 # Old version commented out, and archive removed
 # 'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'privacy', 'bounce', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'contentfilter', 'topics',
 ]

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread John W. Baxter
On 5/18/05 2:09 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 Alternatively, I *think* (Warning! I don't know what I'm talking about)
 you can just remove the Mailman/Gui/Archive.py* files alltogether AND
 put
 
 ARCHIVE_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')
 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off
 
 in mm_cfg.py to remove the Archiving Options completely and default
 'archive' to Off for new lists.
 
 Oooops. That should be
 
 ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')


I really thought the Original Poster enquired about maximum message size,
not archiving.  Perhaps I missed a transition.

  --John


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread George Booth
- Original Message - 
From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; George Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be 
changed?


 At 2:09 PM -0700 2005-05-18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')

 Why not instead have the following in mm_cfg.py:

 ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
 # First column
 'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest', 'digest',
 # Second column
 # Old version commented out, and archive removed
 # 'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'privacy', 'bounce', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'contentfilter', 'topics',
 ]

Wonderful, that worked nicely. Thank you! :)


George Booth iTech System Administrator
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Southern Mississippi 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Brad Knowles wrote:

 At 2:09 PM -0700 2005-05-18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')

   Why not instead have the following in mm_cfg.py:

 ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
 # First column
 'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest', 'digest',
 # Second column
 # Old version commented out, and archive removed
 # 'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'privacy', 'bounce', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'contentfilter', 'topics',
 ]

This is getting interesting...  I'm looking to hack up the admin interface 
to lock in some defaults and also to remove some of the options that tend 
to confuse simple announce list users.

I'm handy with PHP and perl, but I've never dug into Python at all.  What 
can you folks recommend as far as a crash-course in Python?

Thanks,

Charles

 -- 
 Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
 temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 Mailman-Users@python.org
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 Unsubscribe: 
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/spork%40bway.net

 Security Policy: 
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:38 PM -0400 2005-05-18, Charles Sprickman wrote:

  I'm handy with PHP and perl, but I've never dug into Python at all.  What
  can you folks recommend as far as a crash-course in Python?

One way I've found that really focuses your mind really, really 
well is to hack on your production mail/mailing list server and being 
forced to fix the thing under heavy time pressure, while having your 
sensitive areas menaced with a red hot poker.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

   SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can'tbe changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brad Knowles wrote:

At 2:09 PM -0700 2005-05-18, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  ADMIN_CATEGORIES.remove('archive')

   Why not instead have the following in mm_cfg.py:

ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
 # First column
 'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest', 'digest',
 # Second column
 # Old version commented out, and archive removed
 # 'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'privacy', 'bounce', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'contentfilter', 'topics',
 ]


Both produce the same end result. My way requires less typing, but
Brad's provides better documentation.

Actually, I'm not even sure the above change is necessary no matter how
you do it. One other thing which is necessary which I didn't mention
before (I warned you I don't know what I'm talking about) is the line

from Archive import Archive

must be removed or commented out in Mailman/Gui/__init__.py

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
John W. Baxter wrote:

I really thought the Original Poster enquired about maximum message size,
not archiving.  Perhaps I missed a transition.

Yup. The OP did ask about maximum message size, but George Booth
brought up Archiving.

Then I got carried away because if you remove the archive Yes|No
setting from Archive Options, it doesn't leave much of interest. It
seems preferable to remove the whole page.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brad Knowles wrote:

At 5:38 PM -0400 2005-05-18, Charles Sprickman wrote:

  I'm handy with PHP and perl, but I've never dug into Python at all.  What
  can you folks recommend as far as a crash-course in Python?

   One way I've found that really focuses your mind really, really 
well is to hack on your production mail/mailing list server and being 
forced to fix the thing under heavy time pressure, while having your 
sensitive areas menaced with a red hot poker.

Brad's approach certainly provides motivation, but doesn't really point
to the resources. I suggest starting at http://www.python.org/

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting sitewide defaults that can't be changed?

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
George Booth wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Why not instead have the following in mm_cfg.py:

 ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
 # First column
 'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest', 'digest',
 # Second column
 # Old version commented out, and archive removed
 # 'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'privacy', 'bounce', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
 'contentfilter', 'topics',
 ]

Wonderful, that worked nicely. Thank you! :)


If you didn't make other changes, I think you will find that even
though the link is gone from the admin pages that you will still be
able to go ditectly to the
http://www.example.com/mailman/admin/list/archive page.

To prevent this, I think you need to remove the line

from Archive import Archive

from Mailman/Gui/__init__.py

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Setting max_message_size for selected list via withlist

2005-05-18 Thread Christopher Adams
I would like to change the max_message_size for a group of lists. I plan to use 
withlist to do this. 
I have the withlist command below and can do it with all lists or 1 list but am 
unsure how to do it 
with a group of lists, whose names are currently in a text file. I probably 
could do it using a 
shell script or something, but I am guessing that withlist probably accepts 
files for input, but how?


###maxmessagesize.py
### determines maximum message size allowed to select lists
### useage: withlist -l -r maxmessagesize
def maxmessagesize(m):
 m.max_message_size = 500
 m.Save()
 m.Unlock()
-- 
Christopher Adams



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting max_message_size for selected list viawithlist

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher Adams wrote:

I would like to change the max_message_size for a group of lists. I plan to 
use withlist to do this. 
I have the withlist command below and can do it with all lists or 1 list but 
am unsure how to do it 
with a group of lists, whose names are currently in a text file. I probably 
could do it using a 
shell script or something, but I am guessing that withlist probably accepts 
files for input, but how?


There is no option for withlist to directly process other than a single
list or all lists. To run a script via withlist on a subset of lists
contained in a file, you could use a shell script or modify your
withlist script along the lines of the following (off the top of my
head, really quick - no testing, no warranty)


###maxmessagesize.py
### determines maximum message size allowed to select lists
### useage: withlist -l -r maxmessagesize
def maxmessagesize(m):
#
# open and read the list names file
   f = open('path to your file of names')
   l = f.read()
#
# is this list's name in the file
   if l.find(m._internal_name) = 0:
  m.max_message_size = 500
  m.Save()
  m.Unlock()
   f.close()

One potential problem is it will process a list you don't want whose
name is a substring of the name of a list you do want.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting max_message_size for selected listviawithlist

2005-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro Wrote:

modify your
withlist script along the lines of the following (off the top of my
head, really quick - no testing, no warranty)


###maxmessagesize.py
### determines maximum message size allowed to select lists
### useage: withlist -l -r maxmessagesize

Of course, this needs withlist -l -a -r maxmessagesize

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp