[Mailman-Users] Where should the mailman router be placed in exim?

[Richard Hobbs]

Hello,

We currently have a mailman setup which is working perfectly... But I don't
know if the mailman router is in the correct place within our exim
configuration.

I currently have the exim routers in the following order:

  mailman_router:
  dnslookup:
  system_aliases:
  userforward:
  localuser:

Is this correct, or should mailman not be the first route for the mail?

Thanks in advance,
Richard.

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[Mailman-Users] Private archive file not found

[Ákos Maróy]

I have the following problem with a new installation of mailman on
CentOS Linux 4.1.

I created my first list, and set the archives to be private. but when I
try to access the archives, I get:

Private archive file not found

in the browser. moreover, in the mailman error log, I get the following:

Jul 15 10:22:25 2005 (14959) Private archive file not found:
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/proba/


but it's all very strange, as the archives are actually there:

$ ls -l /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/proba/
total 48
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 14 13:08 2005-July
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  229 Jul 14 13:08 2005-July.txt
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  232 Jul 15 03:27 2005-July.txt.gz
drwxrws---  2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 14 13:08 database
-rw-rw-r--  1 rootmailman 1025 Jul 14 13:08 index.html
-rw-rw  1 mailman mailman  845 Jul 14 13:08 pipermail.pck



and also, if I set the archives to be public, they are accessible
through the link to myserver.com/pipermail/...

what could be the issue here?


Akos
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Re: [Mailman-Users] autoresponse to non members

[James]

The problem is that list moderator gets a message from mailman to
approve or reject the posting, but non-members get no rejection
notice.

I have entered text in "Text to include in any rejection notice to be
sent to moderated members who post to this list", and I also have
"Action to take when a moderated member posts to the list." set to
"Hold". "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no
explicit action is defined." is set to "Hold" Am I missing something?



On 7/14/05, Jim Tittsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 07/15/2005 10:07 AM, James wrote:
> > I can remember how to setup and edit a message that goes to
> > non-members that are trying to email a list. I need to enable this
> > message, and customize it...
> 
> To change the automatic rejection message text, set the
> nonmember_rejection_notice text (on the Privacy Options... Sender
> Filters page, just below where you set what should happen to non-member
> postings).
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[Mailman-Users] Large Mailing list

[Albert AZ. Zuniga]

Hello

 

I am running mailman-2.1.5-10.on FC2 2.6.10-1.771 using an older
PowerEdge 500Sc server. Specs: pIII 512mb ram. I have a few small list
and one large one (approx 65,000 subscribers) This is an announce only
list. It worked ok for the first week or so but now it seems like it is
really hitting the performance of the machine. I have had to reboot
several time to get my posts to work. My problem now is every time I try
to login to this particular list through the admin pages it times out. I
can access the smaller list with no problem.

 

Mailman config:

 

Apache - webserver

Postfix - mta

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive file not found

[John Dennis]

On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 15:24 +0200, Ákos Maróy wrote:
> I have the following problem with a new installation of mailman on
> CentOS Linux 4.1.

CentOS :-(

> I created my first list, and set the archives to be private. but when I
> try to access the archives, I get:
> 
> Private archive file not found
> 
> in the browser. moreover, in the mailman error log, I get the following:
> 
> Jul 15 10:22:25 2005 (14959) Private archive file not found:
> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/proba/
> 
> 
> but it's all very strange, as the archives are actually there:
> 
> $ ls -l /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/proba/
> total 48
> drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 14 13:08 2005-July
> -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  229 Jul 14 13:08 2005-July.txt
> -rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  232 Jul 15 03:27 2005-July.txt.gz
> drwxrws---  2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 14 13:08 database
> -rw-rw-r--  1 rootmailman 1025 Jul 14 13:08 index.html
> -rw-rw  1 mailman mailman  845 Jul 14 13:08 pipermail.pck
> 
> 
> 
> and also, if I set the archives to be public, they are accessible
> through the link to myserver.com/pipermail/...
> 
> what could be the issue here?

It might be an SELinux policy violation.

Take a look in your /var/log/messages (or /var/log/audit/audit.log) file
after you get the failure and see if there is avc message denying access
(grep for "avc:"). I seem to recall a bug in an early version of
selinux-policy-targeted related to private archives which was fixed a
while ago by us.

If you do see such a message the solution is to upgrade the
selinux-policy-targeted rpm (or as a test you could put SELinux into
permissive mode, but you really don't want to run an open server in
permissive mode).

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[Mailman-Users] How to hide/disable user options?

[Mike Flaherty]

I am looking to make it so that subscribers can not change their settings,
however I do still want them to be able to unsubscribe when they want.  I
found a similar question posed at the following link but I don't think there
was an answer given.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-April/035732.html

Is this possible?

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Large Mailing list

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:19 AM -0400 2005-07-15, Albert AZ. Zuniga wrote:

>  I am running mailman-2.1.5-10.on FC2 2.6.10-1.771 using an older
>  PowerEdge 500Sc server. Specs: pIII 512mb ram. I have a few small list
>  and one large one (approx 65,000 subscribers)

Search the Mailman FAQ Wizard for "performance".  Search the 
archives for "performance", "large mailing list", etc  Use the 
instructions at 
 
and 
.

After doing that, if you still have questions, please let us know.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to hide/disable user options?

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:29 PM -0400 2005-07-15, Mike Flaherty wrote:

>  I am looking to make it so that subscribers can not change their settings,
>  however I do still want them to be able to unsubscribe when they want.

[ ... deletia ... ]

>  Is this possible?

So far as I know, you can't do anything like this without hacking the 
code.

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[Mailman-Users] Editing rejection notice text when action to take for postings from non-members is 'Hold'.

[James]

Is it possible to send rejection notice text to non-members if action
to take for postings from non-members is 'Hold'?

I need to set this up because when non-member post is approved I want
their email address to appear in the FROM field. Otherwise I have to
forward emails on their belhaf and this is isn't as easy to manage,
and sometimes it causes confusion.

Mailman v2.1.5, MTA: Postfix v2.1.5, i686 GNU/Linux 2.4.18

Privacy options > Sender filters > Non-member filters
---
List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted

---
List of non-member addresses whose postings will be immediately held
for moderation.

---
List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically rejected. 

---
List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded. 

---
Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit
action is defined.
HOLD
---
hould messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be
forwarded to the list moderator?
YES
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[Mailman-Users] Custom aliases?

[Poster]

Does anyone know how to create these? I'd like to rename some of the
standard ones and eliminate others. I don't think that editing aliases
is the right way to go because genaliases will just wipe out my
changes. Maybe that's the only way, though and I'll just have to redo
stuff whenever I genaliases? Any ideas?

Thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] extract emails from a list

[James]

Is it possible to get a list of all mailing lists with their
respective members and dump this info in one text file?

eg. 

list1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

list2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] extract emails from a list

[Trevor Cullingsworth]

Hi James,

This script should do the trick.  It is what I use.

#!/bin/bash
#
#-- list_inquiry.sh
#
Mailman_Dir=/usr/lib/mailman
Script_Output=/tmp/list_inquiry.txt
#
#
#-- Change directory to mailman bin directory
cd /$Mailman_Dir/bin
#
#
echo "Subscribers of each list in company" > $Script_Output
echo >> $Script_Output
#
#-- Get all list names and put into a for loop
for mail_lists in `./list_lists -b`
do
echo "$mail_lists:" >> $Script_Output

#-- Get list of members for each list
./list_members $mail_lists >> $Script_Output

echo >> $Script_Output
echo >> $Script_Output
done
#
#
#-- End of Script


Trevor Cullingsworth


James wrote:

>Is it possible to get a list of all mailing lists with their
>respective members and dump this info in one text file?
>
>eg. 
>
>list1
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>list2
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom aliases?

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:17 PM -0400 2005-07-15, Poster wrote:

>  Does anyone know how to create these? I'd like to rename some of the
>  standard ones and eliminate others.

They are there, and named the way they are, for a reason.  If you 
do this, then you're unlikely to be able to get any help from anyone 
who is familiar with the standard Mailman stuff.  You're painting 
yourself into a corner where you will have little or no support that 
you can call on when you have problems in the future.

What are you really trying to accomplish?

>  I don't think that editing aliases
>  is the right way to go because genaliases will just wipe out my
>  changes. Maybe that's the only way, though and I'll just have to redo
>  stuff whenever I genaliases? Any ideas?

If you're bound and determined to go about making changes of this 
nature, then you're talking about making source code modifications to 
programs like genaliases.

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[Mailman-Users] Messages received at the server but do not send

[Rick Grams]

Hello,

Totally lost here - I'm sure this has to be a basic task for an experienced
user.  To show my lack of knowledge, I'm not sure how to check the qrunner
(saw that option in another post), or any other process that should be
running.

Problem - Email sent to mailing lists sits in the
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in directory.

I am lost on how to further troubleshoot this issue. Any advice would be
greatly appreciated.

Mailman is running on a FreeBSD server.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 slowness...?

[Jeff Squyres]

Greetings!

I have a performance question about mailman-2.1.6.

We run a mail server that serves some fairly large, active mailing 
lists (2k-3k members, a few hundred posts a day).  But we also have 
several smaller lists (20-30 members, with only a few posts a day).

We have been running mailman 2.1.5 successfully for quite a long time 
and have been very happy with it (thanks for all the work!).  However, 
we recently upgraded to 2.1.6:

- we used the same ./configure options for 2.1.6 as we did with 2.1.5
- our mm_cfg.py was unchanged between 2.1.5 and 2.1.6.

My back-end MTA is sendmail (not controlled by me -- nothing I can do 
about it).  It has not changed in configuration since we upgraded to 
2.1.6.

Previously, mail to my smaller lists would be delivered just about 
"immediately" (usually within a few minutes).  Mail to lists would flow 
through mailman quickly and be given to sendmail (which usually 
delivered it fairly quickly, particularly to local recipients).

However, once we upgraded to 2.1.6, performance on our smaller lists 
decreased dramatically during peak traffic times -- it can take 30-90 
minutes before mailman hands off incoming list mail to sendmail.  
sendmail still delivers the mail pretty quickly (particularly local 
recipients).  Specifically, outgoing mail files seem to sit in 
qfiles/out for a long, long time.  This only happens during peak 
traffic times -- during off-peak times, mail flows through mailman to 
sendmail quickly, and end-to-end deliveries are quite snappy (within a 
few minutes at most).

Does mailman somehow throttle/queue its output to the MTA?  Are there 
any configuration parameters that I can tweak to change this behavior?  
It's quite a bummer, especially since 2.1.5 did not seem to exhibit 
this behavior.  We see the parameter SMTP_MAX_RCPTS; it's listed in our 
Defaults.py with a default value of 500 (which seems to be fine).  I'm 
thinking that this is not our problem (it was 500 in 2.1.5 as well) -- 
indeed, the problem seems to be the rate at which mailman gives mail to 
sendmail, not how many mails it gives in each MTA transaction.

Any suggestions/comments would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages received at the server but do not send

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:17 PM -0800 2005-07-15, Rick Grams wrote:

>  Problem - Email sent to mailing lists sits in the
>  /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in directory.
>
>  I am lost on how to further troubleshoot this issue. Any advice would be
>  greatly appreciated.

Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
 and search for 
"troubleshooting".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 slowness...?

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:22 PM -0400 2005-07-15, Jeff Squyres wrote:

>  However, once we upgraded to 2.1.6, performance on our smaller lists
>  decreased dramatically during peak traffic times -- it can take 30-90
>  minutes before mailman hands off incoming list mail to sendmail.

Weird.  There is nothing in Mailman 2.1.6 that should cause it to 
be significantly slower.

>  Does mailman somehow throttle/queue its output to the MTA?

No.

>  Are there
>  any configuration parameters that I can tweak to change this behavior?

With regards to Mailman itself, there are relatively few 
performance tweaks or changes that you can make.  There are some 
tricks you can do to speed things up some, depending on what type of 
specific performance problems you're having.  I'd encourage you to 
start by going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
 and search for 
"performance".

>  It's quite a bummer, especially since 2.1.5 did not seem to exhibit
>  this behavior.  We see the parameter SMTP_MAX_RCPTS; it's listed in our
>  Defaults.py with a default value of 500 (which seems to be fine).

One of the things that will really slow down a mailing list is 
trying to hand off a large set of recipients to the MTA, especially 
if the MTA does extensive checking on each and every recipient 
address, and most especially if the MTA delivers each recipient in a 
synchronous mode -- as is typical for sendmail.

One thing I would suggest is to make sure that you can enable 
list personalization and VERP, and then turn them on for your biggest 
lists -- this way the MTA can handle delivery to each recipient in 
parallel.  This also helps in bounce message management, which is one 
of the biggest problems on large mailing lists.

> I'm
>  thinking that this is not our problem (it was 500 in 2.1.5 as well) --
>  indeed, the problem seems to be the rate at which mailman gives mail to
>  sendmail, not how many mails it gives in each MTA transaction.

Hmm.  That doesn't sound like a typical Mailman performance problem.

Are your filesystems full?  Most Unix OSes will optimize for 
speed, up until about 90% full.  At that point, they start optimizing 
for space, and this is usually a pretty big performance hit.


Also, do any of the directories have more than a few hundred 
files in them?  Or have they ever had more than a few hundred files 
in them at any one time?  One of the problems with standard Unix 
filesystems is that you have to do a linear search through all 
possible directory entries before you can create a new file, or 
before you can confirm that a given file doesn't exist.  So, if a 
directory ever ballooned to thousands of files, even if it no longer 
has thousands of files in it now, it still takes a long time to do 
the linear search.

The solution for this problem is to stop the affected systems, 
move aside the old directories, create new ones with all the same 
ownership and permissions, and then move any files that need to be 
preserved from the old directory to the new one.


If you do a search of the Mailman FAQ Wizard and the archives of 
the mailman-users mailing list, you should find all these tips and 
more.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 slowness...?

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 4:22 PM -0400 2005-07-15, Jeff Squyres wrote:

> >  thinking that this is not our problem (it was 500 in 2.1.5 as well) --
> >  indeed, the problem seems to be the rate at which mailman gives mail to
> >  sendmail, not how many mails it gives in each MTA transaction.
> 
>   Hmm.  That doesn't sound like a typical Mailman performance problem.
> 
>   Are your filesystems full?  Most Unix OSes will optimize for 
> speed, up until about 90% full.  At that point, they start optimizing 
> for space, and this is usually a pretty big performance hit.

Sendmail used to throttle itself based on load average of the host. With
new mailman code, and possible newer python (was python replaced?), you 
could be hitting one of those thresholds. It was somewhere in the 
sendmail.cf file.

z!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 slowness...?

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:55 PM -0700 2005-07-15, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

>  Sendmail used to throttle itself based on load average of the host.
>  With new mailman code, and possible newer python (was python replaced?),
>  you could be hitting one of those thresholds. It was somewhere in the
>  sendmail.cf file.

Hmm.  Actually, I think you may be on the right track, but not 
with regards to load average.  The more recent versions of sendmail 
will also allow only so many simultaneous connections open, and that 
can also be a bottleneck.  Proper tuning of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is 
definitely something you want to look at -- too large can hurt you, 
as can too small.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 slowness...?

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Brad Knowles wrote:

>   Hmm.  Actually, I think you may be on the right track, but not 
> with regards to load average.  The more recent versions of sendmail 
> will also allow only so many simultaneous connections open, and that 
> can also be a bottleneck.  Proper tuning of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is 
> definitely something you want to look at -- too large can hurt you, 
> as can too small.

I was definitly thinking of load averages, sendmail will reject connections 
if the LA is too high. Look at "O QueueLA" and "O RefuseLA" in the .cf and 
look for rejected connections messages in the log.

Just for interest... http://dbaron.org/linux/sendmail-on-rheet

z!
who hasn't actually run sendmail for quite a while and may be spouting
complete BS

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