Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation confirmation

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Tittsler 

On Aug 11, 2005, at 23:22, Abid Ghufran wrote:

> When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
> registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
> confirmation. This does not happen.

It sounds like Mailman is having trouble sending to your local mail  
server.  (Or if you are using Mailman 2.1 you forgot to start it.  Or  
for Mailman 2.0 you forgot to add the required crontab entries.)

> Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
> through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to  
> send an
> email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does  
> not
> exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Your mail server is not recognizing your mailing list alias(es).  (Or  
if you are using one of the mail server configurations that  
automatically detects list presence and routes mail directly... there  
is a setup problem there.)

You should start by searching the Mailman FAQ for hints on how to get  
more information so you can solve these problems.  In particular  
 is probably a good starting point.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Couple of quick configs ...

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Tittsler 
On Aug 12, 2005, at 04:32, Jason LaMar wrote:

> 1. Change the default digest delivery time to 5 p.m. local/server  
> time.

Change the entry in crontab that invokes senddigests.  ('crontab -e - 
u mailman' where mailman is the Mailman user, typically mailman or  
list).

> 2. Completely remove the "You can get more information about this  
> list."
> line and the "More info on this list..." bulleted line from ALL the  
> Web
> Archives pages of ALL lists.

You can change the arch*.html template files for each of the  
languages your lists support.  For example, for English, copy the  
templates you wish to change from the ~mailman/templates/en directory  
to the ~mailman/templates/site/en directory (creating it if you  
haven't already)... and then edit the copies.


> For request #2, will this change be retroactive and apply to  
> existing Web
> pages? Or do I have to rebuild the lists somehow for these  
> deletions to take
> effect?

You will need to rebuild the archive for each list using arch's -- 
wipe option.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Mode

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Tittsler 
On Aug 12, 2005, at 03:40, Michael LaFarr wrote:

> I would like to set up a list that does not give the user the
> choice of how they will receive messages (individually or grouped).  I
> would like to configure the list so that when I approve incoming  
> messages,
> all messages will all be sent grouped in one email rather than  
> separate
> emails.

As you've stated the problem, there isn't an existing automated way  
to do it.  Digests are typically configured to be sent periodically  
(by a cron job that by default runs once per day).

However, you could:
- set nondigestable=No on the non-digest options page to prevent  
users from subscribing to individual messages
- you may want to increase digest_size_threshold if you really want  
all approved messages to be in a single digest
- after you have approved the messages, manually run:
~mailman/cron/senddigests -l listname
to force the delivery of a digest at that time (or wait for the  
next cron-invoked digest sending)




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Re: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists via web interface?

2005-08-11 Thread Jim Tittsler 
On Aug 12, 2005, at 03:08, Michael Regoli wrote:

> As you know, when your list reaches a certain threshold, it begins
> grouping the subscribers by letter of the alphabet.  Is there a way to
> see ALL subscribers via the web admin interface?

You can set DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE to a large number (or set  
admin_member_chunksize using withlist or configlist to just change it  
for certain lists).  This can have performance problems building/ 
downloading very large pages.

You can also use a script to drive the web interface to collect all  
of the chunks and build it into a complete subscriber list.  An  
example of this technique is available at 


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[Mailman-Users] Couple of quick configs ...

2005-08-11 Thread Jason LaMar 
Hello. I'm new to Mailman and this list, so forgive me if I'm repeating
recent questions, but there are two specific things I want to do that I
think involve Python hacking:

1. Change the default digest delivery time to 5 p.m. local/server time.

2. Completely remove the "You can get more information about this list."
line and the "More info on this list..." bulleted line from ALL the Web
Archives pages of ALL lists.

For request #2, will this change be retroactive and apply to existing Web
pages? Or do I have to rebuild the lists somehow for these deletions to take
effect?

Also, for both requests, do I have to recompile something? Any specific help
on where and how to make these changes would be appreciated.



Thanks,

Jason

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[Mailman-Users] Digest Mode

2005-08-11 Thread Michael LaFarr 
Hello.  I am new to mailman.  I am working to set up the digest 
function.  I would like to set up a list that does not give the user the 
choice of how they will receive messages (individually or grouped).  I 
would like to configure the list so that when I approve incoming messages, 
all messages will all be sent grouped in one email rather than separate 
emails.  I can't seem to find a way to do that.  Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Michael LaFarr


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists via web interface?

2005-08-11 Thread Michael Regoli 
Speaking of command-line utilities for mailman, this has me thinking
of a feature that I may be missing.  We have Mailman listserves with
dozens of subscribers, and while my admins use the web interface to
work with the lists, there doesn't seem to be a way (other than by
command line) to produce a list of ALL subscribers to a list.

As you know, when your list reaches a certain threshold, it begins
grouping the subscribers by letter of the alphabet.  Is there a way to
see ALL subscribers via the web admin interface?

Thanks for any help.  --michael


On 8/10/05, Steve Rifkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But, yes, having a command-line-access to the server would be the only way for
> the site admin to have a complete set of lists (advertised and 
> non-advertised.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] emails getting cut up

2005-08-11 Thread John W. Baxter 
On 8/11/05 6:52 AM, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 2:54 PM -0600 2005-08-10, steven roeder wrote:
> 
>>  ive been having problem with my emails getting cut up, due to size i
>>  believe, but i have the (Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message
>>  body. Use 0 for no limit.) set to 0. is there something im missing?
> 
> Mailman doesn't "cut up" e-mail messages.  You can configure it
> to strip certain MIME bodypart types, or you can configure it to only
> allow certain MIME bodypart types through, and you can also configure
> it to convert HTML into plain text.  Of course, it can also reject
> messages because they're too large.
> 
> But that's it.  You can't configure it to "cut up" messages.

One can configure Outlook Express--at least some versions--to cut large
messages into small pieces.  Found while dealing with a support issue which,
paraphrased, was "I send one message, and John receives 6 messages from me."

Steven didn't seem to post to the list using Outlook Express (the headers
didn't make it clear what he did use) so I didn't say anything earlier,
although I should have.

My Windows machine is currently safe in its carrying case (no viruses get in
that way), so I can't find the setting.

  --John


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search and import

2005-08-11 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 10:46 AM +1000 2005-08-11, Kai Hendry wrote:

>>  >  I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import
>>  >to mailman.
>>  Not a problem.  The answer is in the FAQ.
>
>  Aha!
>  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp
>
>  I wonder how I convert my messages which are individual files to a mbox?
>  Just cat them?

No, you can't just "cat" them.  7th edition mbox format is very 
specific in terms of the delimiter characters.  Usually the 
safest/easiest thing to do is to re-process the individual files with 
the "formmail" program from the "procmail" package, in order to turn 
them into the correct 7th edition mbox format mailbox.

This answer is definitely in the archives, and should also have 
been in the FAQ.

>>  The issue here is that Mailman was never designed to be abused in
>>  the way that hosting companies are now doing.  It was intended to be
>>  something that an organization sets up for itself, and where you've
>>  got complete control over everything yourself.  It was never intended
>>  to be used in a hosting environment.  People who abuse it in that way
>>  need to provide a lot of support to their hosting customers,
>>  otherwise you lose much of the functionality.
>
>  Please! I think it is a bit harsh to call it "abuse".

Mailman was never designed to be used that way, so it is quite 
appropriate to call it abuse.  Especially in the case where hosting 
providers put the program up and then say that they don't provide any 
support for it.

If you were one of the principal authors of Mailman, or one of 
the administrators/moderators of the mailman-users mailing list, I 
might be willing to listen to your arguments on this matter.

>  Ideally there should be a mail or Web interface for this feature.

Which is why you should file an RFE at the SourceForge Mailman 
Request For Enhancement page at 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] emails getting cut up

2005-08-11 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 2:54 PM -0600 2005-08-10, steven roeder wrote:

>  ive been having problem with my emails getting cut up, due to size i
>  believe, but i have the (Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message
>  body. Use 0 for no limit.) set to 0. is there something im missing?

Mailman doesn't "cut up" e-mail messages.  You can configure it 
to strip certain MIME bodypart types, or you can configure it to only 
allow certain MIME bodypart types through, and you can also configure 
it to convert HTML into plain text.  Of course, it can also reject 
messages because they're too large.

But that's it.  You can't configure it to "cut up" messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug report: hanging message (shunting)

2005-08-11 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 10:51 PM +0200 2005-08-10, Loek Jehee wrote:

>  I consider this a bug in MailMan which I would like to inform you of.

You need to file a report on the SourceForge Mailman Bugs page at 
, if you 
want it to get into the system and have a reasonable chance of being 
fixed.

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[Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation confirmation

2005-08-11 Thread Abid Ghufran 
I have installed mailman on redhat linux 7.2 and am using mailman with
default configurations.

When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
confirmation. This does not happen.

Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to send an
email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does not
exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Abid Ghufran.

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[Mailman-Users] problem with mailman user account creation confirmation

2005-08-11 Thread Abid Ghufran 
I have installed mailman on redhat linux 7.2 and am using mailman with
default configurations.

When a user visits the web site (page) of the created mailing list and
registers his email address, he is supposed to get an email for
confirmation. This does not happen.

Further, if I (mailing list admin) register a user (his email address)
through the admin interface of mailman and then the user tries to send an
email to the list, the mail is bounced stating that the "user" does not
exist. Here the "user" is the name of the mailing list.

Help would be appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Abid Ghufran.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search and import

2005-08-11 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
> "Kai" == Kai Hendry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kai> Ideally there should be a mail or Web interface for this
Kai> feature.

And ideally it would be provided by its users or their hosting companies.

Don't you think it's rather strange that you're unwilling to ask for
service from people you _pay_ for it, while you imply that Mailman's
_volunteers_ should add features to replace the service you aren't
getting from the vendor?

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