Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:59 PM -0700 2005-09-12, Elvis Fernandes wrote:

>   I am trying to setup a discussion archival system, where the discussion
>  between users in a mail-list can be browsed on a webpage.
>  On searching the web, it seems like MhonArc can do this.

Mailman includes a built-in web archive system called Pipermail. 
Depending on precisely what you need, this may provide all the 
functionality you require, without needing an external third-party 
archiving solution.

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[Mailman-Users] how to receive all notifications and bounces

[Csaba Kiraly]

Dear All,

I have a question regarding bounce processing. I was setting up a list
for a small group (~20 people) working together preparing documents, etc.
What I need is to receive immediate notifications if something goes
wrong, e.g. an e-mail address was mistyped when added, some delivery
errors, etc.

Looking at bounce processing, I have found options aiming at easing the
administrator's task by "filtering" out bounces. Even if I turn off
bounce processing, it is written that:
*bounce_processing* (bounce): Should Mailman perform automatic bounce
processing? By setting this value to /No/, you disable all automatic
bounce processing for this list, however bounce messages will still be
discarded so that the list administrator isn't inundated with them.

How can I set this up to receive immediate notifications?

Thanks, best regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] htdig integration broken after upgrade

[Odhiambo Washington]

* On 11/09/05 12:00 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >
> >I recently upgraded a 2.1.3 install to 2.1.5 (along with
> >htdig-2.1.5-0.1.patch and indexing-2.1.5-0.1.patch) and now
> >htdig/archive searches are failing for the following error:
> >
> 
> >
> >After the fixes, and after running the nightly_htdig script again as
> >the mailman user, searching the archives now gives a different error:
> >
> >ht://Dig error
> >Unable to read document index file
> >Did you run htmerge?
> >
> >..and in the ~mailman/logs/error, I see this now:
> >
> >Sep 11 16:42:57 2005 (23110) htsearch for list: theteam, existatus: 1
> >
> >At this point, I am surely an my /etc (end of thinking capaity) on this
> >problem. It's shifted goalpoasts ;)
> 
> 
> It looks like you may have either a permissions issue or maybe an
> incorrect value for HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR. See the Permissions
> Considerations and Local htdig Configuration sections in
> INSTALL.htdig-mm.html

Hi Mark,

I did consider all those, but perhaps I am just missing the point.
I have rechecked after your suggestions, but those seem to point to the
correct paths:

HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig')
VAR_PREFIX= '/usr/local/mailman'

/usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig/ has those links.


Today, I have received the following message from mailman:

From: Cron Daemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:19:08 +0300
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /usr/local/bin/python -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig

/usr/bin/sort: mkstemp error: Permission denied
htmerge: Word sort failed

/usr/bin/sort: mkstemp error: Permission denied
htmerge: Word sort failed


Could this be a good pointer to my problem?




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[Mailman-Users] Help with Passord protecting Mail List

[George Payne]

I have used Imail for a number of years.  I can't find where it tells how
the moderator uses their password to send and email.  Can you please help?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Passord protecting Mail List

[Sythos]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 06:45:18AM -0500, George Payne wrote:
> I have used Imail for a number of years.  I can't find where it tells how
> the moderator uses their password to send and email.  Can you please help?

When moderator receive notification about suspended email in moderated
list he should reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject
specified in notification and in the body only:
"Approved: listpasswordmoderator"

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[Mailman-Users] Problem integrating v2.1.5 into the mail system

[Rob Tanner]

I upgraded from Mailman 2.0.6 to 2.1.5, and I'm having a problem with 
the aliases.   My MTA is Postfix.

Here's my problem.  Our mail system uses the LDAP server for all the MTA 
required local aliases.  However, on the specific server hosting 
Mailman, I modified the following line in the Postfix main.cf file to 
include the Mailman aliases file:

   alias_database = 
dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases,dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases

Apart from hosting Mailman, that server is not part of our regular mail 
system.

When a message is sent to @linfield.edu, Postfix, on which 
ever one of the mail gateway servers that first sees the message, looks 
up the alias, and then using the mailroutingaddress attribute, re-routes 
the mail to @calvin.linfield.edu, which is the actual name of 
the host.  However, when the mail hits the Mailman server, Postfix 
reject it with the error:


 550 <@calvin.linfield.edu>: User unknown in local 
recipient table

The other pertinent setting in main.cf is:

 local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps, dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases

I've played extensively with the various Postfix parameters, and I've 
not been able to resolve this problem.  It probobly is a Postfix 
settings issue, and I'm hoping someone has had and resolved a similar issue.

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem integrating v2.1.5 into the mail system

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:25 -0700, Rob Tanner wrote:
> I upgraded from Mailman 2.0.6 to 2.1.5, and I'm having a problem with 
> the aliases.   My MTA is Postfix.
> 
> Here's my problem.  Our mail system uses the LDAP server for all the MTA 
> required local aliases.  However, on the specific server hosting 
> Mailman, I modified the following line in the Postfix main.cf file to 
> include the Mailman aliases file:
> 
>alias_database = 
> dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases,dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases
> 
> Apart from hosting Mailman, that server is not part of our regular mail 
> system.
> 
> When a message is sent to @linfield.edu, Postfix, on which 
> ever one of the mail gateway servers that first sees the message, looks 
> up the alias, and then using the mailroutingaddress attribute, re-routes 
> the mail to @calvin.linfield.edu, which is the actual name of 
> the host.  However, when the mail hits the Mailman server, Postfix 
> reject it with the error:
> 
> 
>  550 <@calvin.linfield.edu>: User unknown in local 
> recipient table
> 
> The other pertinent setting in main.cf is:
> 
>  local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps, dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases
> 
> I've played extensively with the various Postfix parameters, and I've 
> not been able to resolve this problem.  It probobly is a Postfix 
> settings issue, and I'm hoping someone has had and resolved a similar issue.

Here are some things to check:

In your main.cf file you've specified a file_type of dbm but I don't see
anything in your mail saying you've told Mailman's Postfix.py to use
that file format. Have you? It defaults to whatever is the default
database type in your postfix installation. You should verify the file
types are in fact in harmony with one another. You could take a look at
postfix error logging to see if its complaining or use the postmap
command to simulate the lookup.

Also, it looks like you're performing domain mapping when you re-route
to the primary server. If the alias lookup's include domain information
you may fail the local_recipient_maps lookup because although the user
part of the address is correct it may include a domain part not
recognized by the server fielding the request. I would use the postmap
command to simulate an alias lookup and see what is returned and make
sure domains are not part of the alias or if they are that they match.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[John W. Baxter]

On 9/12/05 7:58 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The wrapper is telling you that it
> expects to be executed as group 'mailman', and it looks from what
> you've presented that it was in fact built that way. It also seems you
> can't change it in your update package.
> 
> The wrapper also complains that it is not being executed as group
> 'mailman', but rather as group 'mail'. This is the confusing part
> because it seems from the above that you are telling Exim to invoke
> the wrapper as group 'mailman' yet the wrapper is telling you it is
> being invoked as group 'mail'. I would look carefully at the Exim
> configuration to be sure that
> 
>   MM_UID=mailman
>   MM_GID=mailman
> 
> are in the right place and are not being overridden somewhere else.

Has Exim lost its setuid bit (and/or its root ownership) in the upgrade?

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[Mailman-Users] Private archive for list

[Darren G Pifer]

I have been trying to get to the private archives of a list but 
when I click on the URL http://list.odu.edu/private/telephone_logs/
I get nothing on the page. I have been able to access other archives of
private lists but for some reason I am not seeing any for this list. I
have thought about trying this

bin/arch --wipe list-name

but I don't want to remove the archives. Is there anything I check for
or another script to run to find out if a file is corrupt?
Just to be sure, I checked that this list does have a mbox in
the archives/private/telephone_logs directory.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] patch to add date to each meassge in mail archiveIndex

[Matt Ryanczak]

I submitted this patch to the sourceforge mailman site so it can now be
found there. I also updated the patch so that it will now update every
template (not just the English version). For convenience the patch is
also below (and attached to keep the proper breaks in some of the
template files)...

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--- mailman-2.1.6/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py 2005-05-13 07:35:37.0 
-0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py 2005-09-12 18:41:06.0 
-0400
@@ -1024,6 +1024,7 @@
 def write_index_entry(self, article):
 subject = self.get_header("subject", article)
 author = self.get_header("author", article)
+datestr = self.get_header("datestr", article)
 if mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS:
 try:
 author = re.sub('@', _(' at '), author)
@@ -1032,12 +1033,14 @@
 pass
 subject = CGIescape(subject, self.lang)
 author = CGIescape(author, self.lang)
+datestr = CGIescape(datestr, self.lang)
 
 d = {
 'filename': urllib.quote(article.filename),
 'subject':  subject,
 'sequence': article.sequence,
-'author':   author
+'author':   author,
+'datestr':  datestr
 }
 print quick_maketext(
 'archidxentry.html', d,
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/ca/archidxentry.html2003-11-01 
10:51:48.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/ca/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:46:07.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/en/archidxentry.html2002-10-08 
12:50:41.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/en/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:44:40.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(datestr)s> %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/es/archidxentry.html2005-05-20 
09:28:23.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/es/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:46:21.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/eu/archidxentry.html2003-12-01 
11:07:41.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/eu/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:48.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/fr/archidxentry.html2002-12-19 
23:06:08.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/fr/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:46:16.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s 
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s 
  
  %(author)s 
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/hr/archidxentry.html2003-11-30 
18:04:02.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/hr/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:44:50.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/hu/archidxentry.html2002-12-11 
22:30:15.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/hu/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:44:58.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/it/archidxentry.html2002-10-10 
15:33:47.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/it/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:35.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/ja/archidxentry.html2002-10-08 
12:50:42.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/ja/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:27.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/lt/archidxentry.html2002-12-24 
14:05:13.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/lt/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:09.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/pl/archidxentry.html2003-04-20 
00:52:59.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/pl/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:40.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/pt/archidxentry.html2003-04-09 
01:09:01.0 -0400
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/pt/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:03.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/pt_BR/archidxentry.html 2004-11-03 
13:29:30.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/pt_BR/archidxentry.html 2005-09-13 
12:45:31.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%(subject)s
+%(datestr)s %(subject)s
  
 %(author)s
 
--- mailman-2.1.6/templates/ro/archidxentry.html2003-12-13 
11:35:53.0 -0500
+++ mailman-2.1.6/templates/ro/archidxentry.html2005-09-13 
12:45:52.0 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-%

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[Daevid Vincent]

> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Baxter
>
> Has Exim lost its setuid bit (and/or its root ownership) in 
> the upgrade?

Thanks for the suggestion John, but the perms look correct. Also, other
email works fine (incoming/outgoing). It's only mailman...

daevid ~ # which exim
/usr/sbin/exim

daevid ~ # ll /usr/sbin/exim
-rws--x--x  1 root root 830012 Jul  7 00:57 /usr/sbin/exim

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive for list

[Darren G Pifer]

To add something to my post, it looks like the index.html file
for this list is empty.  Do I need to run a search tool to
create the index.html file, and if so, what would that be?

Darren
ODU

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 13:36, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> I have been trying to get to the private archives of a list but 
> when I click on the URL http://list.odu.edu/private/telephone_logs/
> I get nothing on the page. I have been able to access other archives of
> private lists but for some reason I am not seeing any for this list. I
> have thought about trying this
> 
> bin/arch --wipe list-name
> 
> but I don't want to remove the archives. Is there anything I check for
> or another script to run to find out if a file is corrupt?
> Just to be sure, I checked that this list does have a mbox in
> the archives/private/telephone_logs directory.
> 
> Darren
> ODU
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[Daevid Vincent]

> >Mark said, "Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of 
> the ${MAILGID}
> >parameter?  The error message you received says it's 
> 'mailman' and should be
> >'mail'." 
> >
> >And looking at the log, he seems to be correct:
> >Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
> >expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group 
> "mailman", but_the
> >system's mail server executed the mail script as_group 
> "mail".  Try tweaking
> >the mail server to run the_script as group "mailman", or 
> re-run configure,
> >_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
> >
> >But the .ebuild script sets it to gid 280, shouldn't it be 
> 8? why is that?
> >Is that the problem? How can I fix that. Re-emerging doesn't 
> let me change
> >those .ebuild values. MD5 errors and such.
> >
> >APACHEGID="81"
> >MAILGID="280"
> >
> >src_compile() {
> >econf \
> >--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
> >--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
> >--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
> >|| die "configure failed"
> >
> >make || die "make failed"
> >}  
> >
> ># ll /etc/exim/exim.conf
> >-rw-r--r--  1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 /etc/exim/exim.conf
> >
> >  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
> >  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
> >  # Value is normally "mailman"
> >  MM_UID=mailman
> >  MM_GID=mailman
> >
> >So, these match what the comment says there, and what the 
> .ebuild is doing.
> >
> >I'm so confused. *sigh* 
> 
> 
> As well you should be at this point. The wrapper is telling 
> you that it
> expects to be executed as group 'mailman', and it looks from what
> you've presented that it was in fact built that way. It also seems you
> can't change it in your update package.
> 
> The wrapper also complains that it is not being executed as group
> 'mailman', but rather as group 'mail'. This is the confusing part
> because it seems from the above that you are telling Exim to invoke
> the wrapper as group 'mailman' yet the wrapper is telling you it is
> being invoked as group 'mail'. I would look carefully at the Exim
> configuration to be sure that
> 
>   MM_UID=mailman
>   MM_GID=mailman
> 
> are in the right place and are not being overridden somewhere else.

Below is portions of my /etc/exim/exim.conf. I deleted out any irrellevant
parts, but I kept everything in the right order... I believe it's pretty
much stock. (I don't know much about exim).

># cat /etc/exim/exim.conf

##
#  Runtime configuration file for Exim   #
##


#
# copied from http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf
#
  # Home dir for your Mailman installation -- aka Mailman's prefix
directory.
  # By default this is set to "/usr/local/mailman"
  # On a Red Hat/Fedora system using the RPM use "/var/mailman"
  # On Debian using the deb package use "/var/lib/mailman"
  # This is normally the same as ~mailman
  MM_HOME=/usr/local/mailman
  #
  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
  # Value is normally "mailman"
  MM_UID=mailman
  MM_GID=mailman
  #
  # Domains that your lists are in - colon separated list
  # you may wish to add these into local_domains as well
  domainlist
mm_domains=daevid.com:rollinballzcrew.com:me-racing.com:marq.org
  #
  # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  #
  # These values are derived from the ones above and should not need
  # editing unless you have munged your mailman installation
  #
  # The path of the Mailman mail wrapper script
  MM_WRAP=MM_HOME/mail/mailman
  #
  # The path of the list config file (used as a required file when
  # verifying list addresses)
  MM_LISTCHK=MM_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck


##
#MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS #
##

exim_user = mail

##
#  ROUTERS CONFIGURATION #
#   Specifies how addresses are handled  #
##
# THE ORDER IN WHICH THE ROUTERS ARE DEFINED IS IMPORTANT!   #
# An address is passed to each router in turn until it is accepted.  #
##

mailman_router:
driver = accept
domains = +mm_domains
require_files = MM_LISTCHK
local_part_suffix_optional
local_part_suffix = -admin : \
-bounces   : -bounces+* : \
-confirm   : -confirm+* : \
-join  : -leave : \
-owner : -request : \
-subscribe : -un

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 11:33 -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John W. Baxter
> >
> > Has Exim lost its setuid bit (and/or its root ownership) in 
> > the upgrade?
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion John, but the perms look correct. Also, other
> email works fine (incoming/outgoing). It's only mailman...
> 
> daevid ~ # which exim
> /usr/sbin/exim
> 
> daevid ~ # ll /usr/sbin/exim
> -rws--x--x  1 root root 830012 Jul  7 00:57 /usr/sbin/exim

I doubt it can just be mailman. It's failing in the mail wrapper which
calls getgid() to get the group its being executed as. Mailman is simply
reporting the facts, which is it is not being executed as the group it
was intended to be executed as. In your configuration it is exim that is
executing mailman wrapper, thus it is exim that needs looking at. Also,
please note the error concerns group id not the user id. The error
reported says exim executed the mail wrapper as the group "mail" when it
expected it to be group "mailman". This means exim invoked the wrapper
in the "mail" group. Sorry, I'm not an exim user so I can't tell you the
particulars of exim, but I suspect there is an option when executing the
mailman wrapper to elect the group in addition to the user (its the
group thats important). 

Also, its not the setuid or setgid bit of exim that's relevant in this
case, that says when that exim executable is run, ignore who is invoking
me and run as this user or group instead. Which for exim when invoking
mailman on your behalf is not relevant (and may not even be desirable),
what is relevant is that when exim invokes the mailman wrapper it calls
setgid("mailman") (I'm playing a little loose and fast here, but thats
the idea in a nutshell). This probably only happens via an exim
configuration parameter tied to mailman invocation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

[Elvis Fernandes]

All,
 Thanks for all yur help!
One more question:
I want to delete off a few old mailing lists.
I read the instructions at:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.031.htp
 On checking, I did not the variable OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS in 
the /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.
 Is there a simple way to delete off the old mail lists. I not not need to 
archive any data from these old lists.
 Thanks
Elvis
 On 9/13/05, George A. Theall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> > I guess my question is:
> > After using mhonarc to convert the inbox to html's, how do I get to 
> browse
> > them using internet explorer?
> 
> Mailman makes archives available using a URL such as:
> 
> http://$hostname/mailman/private/$listname/
> 
> If the list defined a public, then replace 'private' with 'public'
> above.
> 
> George
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 12:05 -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote:
>   # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
>   # switch to Mailman's configure script.
>   # Value is normally "mailman"
>   MM_UID=mailman
>   MM_GID=mailman
>   #
>   # Domains that your lists are in - colon separated list
>   # you may wish to add these into local_domains as well
>   domainlist
> mm_domains=daevid.com:rollinballzcrew.com:me-racing.com:marq.org
>   #
>   # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>   #
>   # These values are derived from the ones above and should not need
>   # editing unless you have munged your mailman installation
>   #
>   # The path of the Mailman mail wrapper script
>   MM_WRAP=MM_HOME/mail/mailman

Caveat: I don't know exim! But the above does suggest to me that when it
invokes MM_WRAP=MM_HOME/mail/mailman will do it as uid=mailman,
gid=mailman (because it calls setgid(mailman), is exim running with root
privileges? it can't change the group if its not). BUT the mailman
wrapper is telling you that is not what is happening, its being executed
as group mail.

> 
> ##
> #MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS #
> ##
> 
> exim_user = mail

hmm... very suspicious, looks like this is what is being picked up as
the execution context.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with MHonArc

[jaf19]

To me, the problem with Pipermail is not what it does, but what it doesn't 
do.

Pipermail doesn't allow you to reverse the order of the postings, so readers 
have to scroll to the bottom of what is, in many cases, a large archive, 
doesn't show the name of the person posting, and doesn't date or date sort 
the entries. 

I too am looking at MhonArc as a possible solution, to work in tandem with 
Mailman, but am not proficient enough to install or configure. I'd like to 
hire someone for the task, if that is possible?

JF

On 9/13/05, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> At 2:59 PM -0700 2005-09-12, Elvis Fernandes wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to setup a discussion archival system, where the discussion
> > between users in a mail-list can be browsed on a webpage.
> > On searching the web, it seems like MhonArc can do this.
> 
> Mailman includes a built-in web archive system called Pipermail.
> Depending on precisely what you need, this may provide all the
> functionality you require, without needing an external third-party
> archiving solution.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] How to make attached jpg show in message body

[Bill Morse]

Is there any way to make an image show in the body of a message to the list.
When I attach an image in entourage, the image displays in the body of the
message. When I attach an image to a list message, it only is listed in the
attachments area.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem integrating v2.1.5 into the mail system

[Rob Tanner]

Cockpit error on my part.  Your suggestions ended up pointing me right 
to it.

Thanks,
Rob

John Dennis said the following on 09/13/2005 09:45 AM:

>On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:25 -0700, Rob Tanner wrote:
>  
>
>>I upgraded from Mailman 2.0.6 to 2.1.5, and I'm having a problem with 
>>the aliases.   My MTA is Postfix.
>>
>>Here's my problem.  Our mail system uses the LDAP server for all the MTA 
>>required local aliases.  However, on the specific server hosting 
>>Mailman, I modified the following line in the Postfix main.cf file to 
>>include the Mailman aliases file:
>>
>>   alias_database = 
>>dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases,dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases
>>
>>Apart from hosting Mailman, that server is not part of our regular mail 
>>system.
>>
>>When a message is sent to @linfield.edu, Postfix, on which 
>>ever one of the mail gateway servers that first sees the message, looks 
>>up the alias, and then using the mailroutingaddress attribute, re-routes 
>>the mail to @calvin.linfield.edu, which is the actual name of 
>>the host.  However, when the mail hits the Mailman server, Postfix 
>>reject it with the error:
>>
>>
>> 550 <@calvin.linfield.edu>: User unknown in local 
>>recipient table
>>
>>The other pertinent setting in main.cf is:
>>
>> local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps, dbm:/opt/mailman_2.1.5/data/aliases
>>
>>I've played extensively with the various Postfix parameters, and I've 
>>not been able to resolve this problem.  It probobly is a Postfix 
>>settings issue, and I'm hoping someone has had and resolved a similar issue.
>>
>>
>
>Here are some things to check:
>
>In your main.cf file you've specified a file_type of dbm but I don't see
>anything in your mail saying you've told Mailman's Postfix.py to use
>that file format. Have you? It defaults to whatever is the default
>database type in your postfix installation. You should verify the file
>types are in fact in harmony with one another. You could take a look at
>postfix error logging to see if its complaining or use the postmap
>command to simulate the lookup.
>
>Also, it looks like you're performing domain mapping when you re-route
>to the primary server. If the alias lookup's include domain information
>you may fail the local_recipient_maps lookup because although the user
>part of the address is correct it may include a domain part not
>recognized by the server fielding the request. I would use the postmap
>command to simulate an alias lookup and see what is returned and make
>sure domains are not part of the alias or if they are that they match.
>  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

[Daevid Vincent]

> > > From: John W. Baxter
> > daevid ~ # which exim
> > /usr/sbin/exim
> > 
> > daevid ~ # ll /usr/sbin/exim
> > -rws--x--x  1 root root 830012 Jul  7 00:57 /usr/sbin/exim
> 
> I doubt it can just be mailman. 

Well, exim hasn't changed since that date above, and the config hasn't
changed for even longer, so I believe it *is* mailman and not exim:

# ll
total 80
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 Jun 26 12:45 .
drwxr-xr-x  77 root root  4096 Sep 13 03:14 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   775 Jul  7 00:57 auth_conf.sub
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 exim.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 25931 Jul  7 00:57 exim.conf.dist
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  8120 Jul  7 00:57 system_filter.exim

Mailman WAS working just fine until September 7th, when I updated it.

# ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

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[Mailman-Users] How to make attached jpg show in message body

[Bill Morse]

Is there any way to make an image show in the body of a message to the list.
When I attach an image in entourage, the image displays in the body of the
message. When I attach an image to a list message, it only is listed in the
attachments area.

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Complettly delete unused mailing lists

[Elvis Fernandes]

Hello,
  I want to delete off a few old mailing lists.
I read the instructions at:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.031.htp
 On checking, I did not the variable OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS in 
the /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.
 Is there a simple way to delete off the old mail lists. I do not need to 
archive any data from these old lists.
 Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] how to receive all notifications and bounces

[Mark Sapiro]

Csaba Kiraly wrote:
>
>I have a question regarding bounce processing. I was setting up a list
>for a small group (~20 people) working together preparing documents, etc.
>What I need is to receive immediate notifications if something goes
>wrong, e.g. an e-mail address was mistyped when added, some delivery
>errors, etc.
>
>Looking at bounce processing, I have found options aiming at easing the
>administrator's task by "filtering" out bounces. Even if I turn off
>bounce processing, it is written that:
>*bounce_processing* (bounce): Should Mailman perform automatic bounce
>processing? By setting this value to /No/, you disable all automatic
>bounce processing for this list, however bounce messages will still be
>discarded so that the list administrator isn't inundated with them.
>
>How can I set this up to receive immediate notifications?

If you have site administration capability over your Mailman
installation and the incoming MTA, you can set the alias for the
listname-bounces address so it forwards to you directly.

If not, or if you still want automated processing, set the following
bounce processing options.

bounce_processing Yes
bounce_score_threshold 0.5
bounce_info_stale_after won't matter - default 7 is OK
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings - default is OK
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval - default is OK

Notifications
bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner Yes
Sbounce_notify_owner_on_disable Yes
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal Yes

With settings like these, the first bounce will disable the
subscription and the owner will be notified and the notification will
contain a copy of the bounce message. The key is having the
notifications turned on and the bounce_score_threshold low enough that
the first bounce causes a disable.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Sendmail

[Rich West]

  Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Rich West wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I did some further analysis and discovered that the messages (with the 
>>same message ID) were showing up in the "ps" output as processing "from 
>>queue".  Digging a little further, I tried killing off the sendmail 
>>processes that were processing those requests, and I saw the following 
>>appear in the mailman log:
>>Sep 12 20:53:28 2005 (24387) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted 
>>system call'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>
>
>This could be normal if SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 0 since in
>this case, Mailman (SMTPDirect) will never close the connection from
>its side. However, the specific error message comes out of the
>bulkdeliver() method which indicates Mailman is still involved in an
>SMTP transaction. I.e., it is probably waiting for a response from
>sendmail.
>  
>

Ahh.. now that makes sense.

>
>>With 
>>all of that in mind, I set :
>>SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1
>>MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0
>>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
>>
>>And things started working.  Odd..
>>
>>
>
>
>Not so odd yet, I think.
>
>
>  
>
>>Now, I know that this is definitely NOT ideal or optimal.. But, what 
>>could be going wrong?  I tried reducing the 
>>SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION to "0" for my tests, and the problem 
>>crept back.
>>
>>
>
>
>Now I think it's odd, but what happens in this case right after
>'mailmanctl restart'? Does it work for the first few mails and then
>the problem comes back. If so, it could be that the problem only
>occurs after a few transactions on an open connection.
>  
>

Yes, it works for the first few mails and then the problem re-appears.

>  
>
>>I moved that back to 1, then set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to "0", and 
>>the problem crept back.  Only the config above seemed to work..
>>
>>
>
>
>Now this I too find puzzling.
>
>
>
>Setting SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION = 1 is not particularly
>costly. It just means Mailman closes the SMTP connection after each
>transaction and reopens it for the next transaction. This is not too
>costly.
>
>Setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 may impact performance, but maybe not as
>much as one would think. This list (mailman-users) uses personalized
>delivery which amounts to the same thing (at least for regular as
>opposed to digest deliveries). If you need SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1, then
>you've paid the price and you can VERP all deliveries (for better
>bounce processing) and personalize your lists for essentially no extra
>charge.
>

Well, I wanted to go back to using VERP anyhow, so I guess this is a 
good thing (in a way).  Everything is processing now, and, while these 
are mostly low-volume lists, there doesn't seem to be any noticable 
performance hit.

Thanks for your help!

-Rich


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[Mailman-Users] config.pck, apache, permissions and Errno 13

[Sam Gamgee]

hello everyone,

I am writing this e-mail as a sort of last resort. Believe me I've tried hard, 
but can't find a solution to the following problem.

-I installed mailman on a debian server with postfix.

-all mailing lists work.

-webinterface works.

now, whenever the cronscripts run, or somebody sends a mail over one of the 
lists, the permissions of some file (usually something like: 
"/var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck") will change from www:mailman to 
mailman:mailman.

after this happens, I can no longer access the web-interface.
The result:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this 
page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. 
Thanks! 
Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 47, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__
self.Load()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 593, in Load
dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 559, in __load
fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck'



I tried many things including:

I have tried forcing the permissions by doing a chmod u+s. that didn't work
>ls -l
>drwsrwsr-x6 www-data mailman  4096 Sep  9 01:11 listname


I tried to change 
MAILMAN_USER = 'www-data'
in 
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
but this resulted in a
Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error.


I was then thorougly confused by suexec stuff 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=recent&days=365250
-see "6.17. Apache+Suexec"

one the one hand, this suggests I should run everything as mailman:mailman and 
on the other hand I am warned strongly against this in the mailman 
installation docs. not to mention that the apache docs concerning suexec are 
daunting. well as apache doc are ;-)


and DON'T tell me to run check_perms!
*grin*


so now here is my question:
can anybody help me?



thank you
aron



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Re: [Mailman-Users] config.pck, apache, permissions and Errno 13

[Sythos]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:11:22AM +0200, Sam Gamgee wrote:
> -I installed mailman on a debian server with postfix.

>From debian mailman package or from source?


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