[Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix virtual Domains

[Jan-Simon Winkelmann]

Hi!

As I posted previously, I am running a postfix/cyrus mailserver combination
along with mailman.
There is no problem with the mailing lists as long as I stick to the 
original
configuration for the domain:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'webnauts.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.webnauts.net'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['webnauts.net']
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

As soon as I change the config to:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.webnauts.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.webnauts.net'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.webnauts.net']
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

I want this so I i can still have the same mail aliases on the 
lists.webnauts.net virtual domain
as i have on my main domain.

Problem being: if i now try to post to a list created with the modified 
configuration, i get an error
from the MTA, mail getting bounced:

Oct 27 09:57:18 webnauts postfix/smtp[7808]: 820ED608167: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (mail 
for lists.webnauts.net loops back to myself)

Does anyone know why this happens? I've been googling about this for 
hours and I just can't find anything "proper" on the topic.


best wishes,
Jan
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[Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Thomas Spuhler]

I upgraded my server to Mandriva 2006. Since then I cannot send post to the 
mailing list on my server.
When I add a new user I get a confirmation.
When I create a new list, I get a confirmation.
When I post to the list, I get the mseeage the the user doesn't exist.
Whne I post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can 
send the e-mail but of course it comes back.
It looks as if mailman doesn't pick up the correct 2domain.com

I have in mm_cfg.py domain.com as e-mail address for the server.

I am using Kolab 2 and postfix as e-mail setup.

I am running into a dead end
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix virtual Domains

[Mark Sapiro]

Jan-Simon Winkelmann wrote:
>
>As soon as I change the config to:
>
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.webnauts.net'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.webnauts.net'
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.webnauts.net']
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>I want this so I i can still have the same mail aliases on the 
>lists.webnauts.net virtual domain
>as i have on my main domain.


This may be a clue.


>Problem being: if i now try to post to a list created with the modified 
>configuration, i get an error
>from the MTA, mail getting bounced:
>
>Oct 27 09:57:18 webnauts postfix/smtp[7808]: 820ED608167: 
>to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (mail 
>for lists.webnauts.net loops back to myself)


This appears to be a postfix configuration problem that has nothing to
do with Mailman per se. However, my ignorant guess is that you have
entries for the same list name in both domains in your
'virtual-mailman' file and this is causing the confusion. At this
point, you may have to hand edit your 'aliases' and 'virtual-mailman'
files and run postalias and postmap.

Also, you don't say, and it has nothing to do with the problem, but if
you want the new mail domain for lists created prior to changing
mm_cfg.py, you need to manually change host_name on the General
Options page for those lists or run fix_url (run bin/fux_url.py for
instructions).

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[Mailman-Users] Standard Variable for the Sender

[David J.B.Hollis]

What is the standard variable for the Sender?

TIA
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas Spuhler wrote:
>
>I upgraded my server to Mandriva 2006. Since then I cannot send post to the
>mailing list on my server.
>When I add a new user I get a confirmation.
>When I create a new list, I get a confirmation.
>When I post to the list, I get the mseeage the the user doesn't exist.


This appears to be an MTA configuration (aliases?) issue.


>Whne I post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can
>send the e-mail but of course it comes back.


Comes back from what with what reason? Do you mean it comes back from
mailman? If so, with what reason. Offhand, I can't think of any reason
why Mailman wouldn't accept it except maybe 'implicit destination' and
this should result in a held message, not a reject.


>It looks as if mailman doesn't pick up the correct 2domain.com


It looks to me like a MTA (postfix) configuration issue.


>I have in mm_cfg.py domain.com as e-mail address for the server.
>
>I am using Kolab 2 and postfix as e-mail setup.


Or maybe it's a Kolab 2/postfix issue. I don't think it's Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ]

All,

New to the list and mailman so please go easy.  ;^)  I did check the  
archives as well as did some extensive searching online and was  
unable to find an answer to my question.  My company's email is  
hosted by an email provider.  This has not been a bad arrangement;  
however, now we would like to provide some email lists.  Is it  
possible to host mailman and lists without hosting our own mail?  If  
it is possible would any of you please point me to some documentation  
or possibly point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Standard Variable for the Sender

[Mark Sapiro]

David J.B.Hollis wrote:

>What is the standard variable for the Sender?

In what context? If you mean for replacement in list headers and
footers, there isn't one. It's in the From: header unless the list is
anonymous, and why is the list anonymous if you want to reveal the
sender in a list header or footer? I suppose there might be some spam
filter reason if that is in fact the setup, but anyway, there's no
header/footer replacement variable for the sender.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[Mark Sapiro]

Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ wrote:
>
>New to the list and mailman so please go easy.  ;^)  I did check the  
>archives as well as did some extensive searching online and was  
>unable to find an answer to my question.  My company's email is  
>hosted by an email provider.  This has not been a bad arrangement;  
>however, now we would like to provide some email lists.  Is it  
>possible to host mailman and lists without hosting our own mail?  If  
>it is possible would any of you please point me to some documentation  
>or possibly point me in the right direction?


Yes, but it's not too easy. Using an external outgoing mail server is
easily configured in Mailman and may work, but there may problems with
the server not wanting to 'relay' your outgoing mail, at least without
authorization. If this is the case, there is a simple patch for
username/password authorization.

Using an external server for incoming list mail is more complicated and
usually requires something like fetchmail to get the mail from the
server and something like procmail or maybe Mailman's 'maildir'
feature to get the mail to Mailman.

See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/047082.html
for a little more detail and the above mentioned patch.

Also search this list's archives for things like 'external mail server'
and 'fetchmail'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[John Dennis]

On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 10:27 -0400, Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ wrote:
> All,
> 
> New to the list and mailman so please go easy.  ;^)  I did check the  
> archives as well as did some extensive searching online and was  
> unable to find an answer to my question.  My company's email is  
> hosted by an email provider.  This has not been a bad arrangement;  
> however, now we would like to provide some email lists.  Is it  
> possible to host mailman and lists without hosting our own mail?  If  
> it is possible would any of you please point me to some documentation  
> or possibly point me in the right direction?

The general answer is no. The standard mailman deployment requires
access at the root (e.g. admin) level to the mail transport agent (MTA)
and the web server. There are various schemes whereby one can decouple
these components and some folks have tried this, I cannot comment on
their success or satisfaction. But there are two things to be aware of
here. 1) Setting up a decoupling strategy requires a moderately
sophisticated knowledge of how the various components work, if you have
that level of expertise you probably could be doing your own hosting
instead of relying on an external hosting vendor. 2) Many hosting
vendors provide mailman mailing lists as part of their hosting package.
If your company prefers to use a hosting vendor, and there are many fine
reasons for that decision, then perhaps the path of least resistance and
greatest success to select a hosting vendor that provides mailman
support in addition to the other services your company needs.

FWIW, I've had good luck with www.dreamhost.com, they offer many
excellent features on their accounts for a very reasonable fee. I'm not
affiliated with the company at all. Although I'm more than qualified to
provide my own hosting for my personal computing endeavors I believe the
approximate $10/month for what I get is not worth the headache of DIY
(Do It Yourself), YMMV. A little bit of searching will yield a number of
other hosting companies with mailman support.

One caveat, if you do go with the hosted solution you won't be able to
perform some of the fine grained administration tasks you'll see
discussed here (using the command line utilities) because that requires
root level access to the server. In practice I tend to believe that is
not a huge issue, but you should be aware it is a limitation.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ]

Thanks for the quick reply.  I was afraid that it was possible but  
would be very complex/time consuming.  I guess I will look into  
either migrating hosting of our email in-house, or as John Dennis  
pointed out, finding a hosting company that provides list services.

Thanks again,
Darich

On Oct 27, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ wrote:
>
>>
>> New to the list and mailman so please go easy.  ;^)  I did check the
>> archives as well as did some extensive searching online and was
>> unable to find an answer to my question.  My company's email is
>> hosted by an email provider.  This has not been a bad arrangement;
>> however, now we would like to provide some email lists.  Is it
>> possible to host mailman and lists without hosting our own mail?  If
>> it is possible would any of you please point me to some documentation
>> or possibly point me in the right direction?
>>
>
>
> Yes, but it's not too easy. Using an external outgoing mail server is
> easily configured in Mailman and may work, but there may problems with
> the server not wanting to 'relay' your outgoing mail, at least without
> authorization. If this is the case, there is a simple patch for
> username/password authorization.
>
> Using an external server for incoming list mail is more complicated  
> and
> usually requires something like fetchmail to get the mail from the
> server and something like procmail or maybe Mailman's 'maildir'
> feature to get the mail to Mailman.
>
> See
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/ 
> 047082.html
> for a little more detail and the above mentioned patch.
>
> Also search this list's archives for things like 'external mail  
> server'
> and 'fetchmail'.
>
>
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 
>> 40python.org/
>>
>
>
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> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[Mark Sapiro]

Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ wrote:

>Thanks for the quick reply.  I was afraid that it was possible but  
>would be very complex/time consuming.  I guess I will look into  
>either migrating hosting of our email in-house, or as John Dennis  
>pointed out, finding a hosting company that provides list services.

One more thing you might consider which I think works well for some is
if you are willing to have your lists in a separate domain from your
main email domain, you can run an MTA on your Mailman host just for
the lists.

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[Mailman-Users] the "shunt" mail queue

[JOSEPH DAMICO]

Hello,

I sent a message to a mailman list on my server.  The message was not 
delivered.   At first, I got a mesage indicating that sendmail was not running 
with group=mailman.  So I stopped and started sendmail with group=mailman.  
This allowed the mail to get as far as the "in" queue but could go no farther.  
Permission errors during processing clued me into the idea of stopping and 
re-starting sendmail with user=mailman and group=mailman.  Now, I see no error 
messages, but the notes I post to the list are ending up in the "shunt" queue. 

Any idea what I'm doing wrong here?

Joe Damico
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Re: [Mailman-Users] the "shunt" mail queue

[Mark Sapiro]

JOSEPH DAMICO wrote:

>Now, I see no error messages, but the notes I post to the list are ending up 
>in the "shunt" queue. 
>
>Any idea what I'm doing wrong here?

No, but there should be a detailed error report in Mailman's error log
for each shunted message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] the "shunt" mail queue

[Mark Sapiro]

JOSEPH DAMICO wrote:
>
>I sent a message to a mailman list on my server.  The message was not 
>delivered.   At first, I got a mesage indicating that sendmail was not running 
>with group=mailman.  So I stopped and started sendmail with group=mailman.  
>This allowed the mail to get as far as the "in" queue but could go no farther. 
> Permission errors during processing clued me into the idea of stopping and 
>re-starting sendmail with user=mailman and group=mailman.  Now, I see no error 
>messages, but the notes I post to the list are ending up in the "shunt" queue. 
>


Actually, running from the group that the wrapper expects should be
sufficient. The fact that it wasn't indicates you still have
permission problems in your Mailman hierarchy. Run

bin/check_perms

as root. If there are errors, run

bin/check_perms -f

until they're gone.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without hosting mail server

[JC Dill]

Darich Runyan/OMNI INFOSEC HQ wrote:
> Thanks for the quick reply.  I was afraid that it was possible but  
> would be very complex/time consuming.  I guess I will look into  
> either migrating hosting of our email in-house, or as John Dennis  
> pointed out, finding a hosting company that provides list services.

Of these two choices, finding a better host is by FAR the easier answer. 
  Migrating and running email in house can be very difficult.  You have 
to deal with:

Spam
Viruses
Sending email from many locations (for mobile users)
(While avoiding having an open relay)
Setting up a list manager
Providing webmail options

A good host does all these things for you.  The small price for hosted 
email (and hosted websites) is usually far less than the labor costs for 
the employees and/or consultants needed to bring email services in-house 
for most small businesses.  Only when your hosting costs start to 
approach the cost for an IT person's salary should most businesses 
consider bringing these services in-house.  (There are exceptions, if 
you happen to have someone who is already expert in all these skills 
in-house, doing other tasks, who can do this stuff in "spare time".  But 
most small businesses who are using hosted email don't have someone who 
knows all of this and who has extra time to deal with all these tasks.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] the "shunt" mail queue

[JOSEPH DAMICO]

Many thanks, Mark.

I had run check_perms earlier (when I installed), but must have messed up a few 
permissions since then.  This fixed eveything.

Excellent suggestion!

Joe


- Original Message -
From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] the "shunt" mail queue

> JOSEPH DAMICO wrote:
> >
> >I sent a message to a mailman list on my server.  The message was 
> not delivered.   At first, I got a mesage indicating that sendmail 
> was not running with group=mailman.  So I stopped and started 
> sendmail with group=mailman.  This allowed the mail to get as far 
> as the "in" queue but could go no farther.  Permission errors 
> during processing clued me into the idea of stopping and re-
> starting sendmail with user=mailman and group=mailman.  Now, I see 
> no error messages, but the notes I post to the list are ending up 
> in the "shunt" queue. 
> >
> 
> 
> Actually, running from the group that the wrapper expects should be
> sufficient. The fact that it wasn't indicates you still have
> permission problems in your Mailman hierarchy. Run
> 
> bin/check_perms
> 
> as root. If there are errors, run
> 
> bin/check_perms -f
> 
> until they're gone.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] icon location and defaults

[Dr. Scott S. Jones]

What controls icons and whether they display or not? It seems that when I am
at my office, the three icons at the bottom of the mailman admin page
display, but when accessing it remotely, they do NOT display. 

Also, where is the icon for the URL, which is supposed to display when
domain.com/mailman/whatever is loaded, the left of the address? On my
system, I just have the Mambo orange flower showing for everything, whether
Mambo, Mailman, or other web apps. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting problems to all users of our mailinglist...

[Cathy Slayman]

- Original Message - 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Posting problems to all users of our 
mailinglist...


Troy Cranford wrote:
>
>It got to the point where I just switched web hosts (now bluehost.com) to
>see if we could resolve the problem.  Now I seem to get better coverage of
>the 550 users and, in fact, am now sending to some of the users that were
>not getting our posts before but I'm still not hitting everyone.
>
>Any ideas from ANYONE would be greatly appreciated.  My web host's support
>is next to useless but if someone has something for me to ask I'll send in
>the support request.

I can't see where the techincal suggestions have helped you fix your problem 
or not.  Having just gone through this, and being computer and programing 
challenged I offer my experience.  We set up a list with in excess of 700 
members that average 80 posts a day.  We actualy moved the membership list 
from a majordomo list to our shared server.  When we were getting 
practically no mail delivered, to the list as well as to list members, and 
all but pulling our hair out, we were finally told by our hosting company 
that the list would not work on the shared server we were on!  The server 
settings only allowed 350 posts an hour to or from any given domain email 
list.

After purchasing a dedicated server, and putting the domain and list on a 
dedicated IP, things improved a lot.  However, we continued to have some 
serious problems with mail delivery.  Bounces were driving us nuts.  Now 
that we have ferreted out all the member addresses that are not longer 
valid, shortened the time a given message can stay in the mail queue, 
discovered that some email accounts have a from and slightly different reply 
to address  and making a subscription for the reply to address, setting that 
one to no mail, we are now enjoying the list.

I hope I have not given bad suggestions and this helps if you are still 
having problems.

Cathy 



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Re: [Mailman-Users] icon location and defaults

[Mark Sapiro]

Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:

>What controls icons and whether they display or not? It seems that when I am
>at my office, the three icons at the bottom of the mailman admin page
>display, but when accessing it remotely, they do NOT display. 


The first control is the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting for IMAGE_LOGOS.
The default is IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'. If IMAGE_LOGOS = 0, no icons
will be displayed.

With the default setting, the generated HTML tag for the mailman logo is



and similarly for the other logos. This means the browser will look in
the host's document root directory for the /icons/ directory and
therein for the logo files, or if /icons/ is aliased to another
directory in the web server, the icon files should be in the aliased
directory.

If you see the logos from your office but not from home, perhaps you
are not using the same URL (host name part) to access the pages or
perhaps there are access controls on the icons directory that only
allow access from your office network.


>Also, where is the icon for the URL, which is supposed to display when
>domain.com/mailman/whatever is loaded, the left of the address? On my
>system, I just have the Mambo orange flower showing for everything, whether
>Mambo, Mailman, or other web apps. 


Again, the generated html contains



where the /icons/ part comes from the IMAGE_LOGOS setting and the
mm-icon.png part comes from the SHORTCUT_ICON setting. with most
browsers, this will display the mm-icon.png image next to the URL.

So the key to all of this is to make sure that all 5 .jpg and .png
files (or at least 4 - mailman-large.jpg isn't used) from Mailman's
icons/ directory are copied to a web accessible directory (usually the
same one that already contains the web server's icons) and that
IMAGE_LOGOS specifies the correct base path of the directory or a path
which is aliased to the directory.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Thomas Spuhler]

On Thursday 27 October 2005 07:23 am, you wrote:
> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
> >I upgraded my server to Mandriva 2006. Since then I cannot send post to
> > the mailing list on my server.
> >When I add a new user I get a confirmation.
> >When I create a new list, I get a confirmation.
> >When I post to the list, I get the mseeage the the user doesn't exist.
>
> This appears to be an MTA configuration (aliases?) issue.
You are very likely right

>
> >Whne I post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I
> > can send the e-mail but of course it comes back.
>
> Comes back from what with what reason? Do you mean it comes back from
> mailman? If so, with what reason. Offhand, I can't think of any reason
> why Mailman wouldn't accept it except maybe 'implicit destination' and
> this should result in a held message, not a reject.


Sending failed:
Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the 
server:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The server responded: "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table")
The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem 
(e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
The following transport protocol was used:
Kolab Server

>
> >It looks as if mailman doesn't pick up the correct 2domain.com
>
> It looks to me like a MTA (postfix) configuration issue.
>
> >I have in mm_cfg.py domain.com as e-mail address for the server.
> >
> >I am using Kolab 2 and postfix as e-mail setup.
>
> Or maybe it's a Kolab 2/postfix issue. I don't think it's Mailman.

No but I don't know how to solve it. I am probably missing something in the 
postfix configuration. How does postfix get to know the mailman mailing 
lists? where does it get the mailing list address.

My mm_cfg.py has this:
###
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *

##
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'btspuhler.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.btspuhler.com'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'

all I added in main.cf is this, the hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
as

alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas Spuhler wrote:
>
>On Thursday 27 October 2005 07:23 am, you wrote:
>> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
>>
>> >Whne I post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I
>> > can send the e-mail but of course it comes back.
>>
>> Comes back from what with what reason? Do you mean it comes back from
>> mailman? If so, with what reason. Offhand, I can't think of any reason
>> why Mailman wouldn't accept it except maybe 'implicit destination' and
>> this should result in a held message, not a reject.
>
>
>Sending failed:
>Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the
>server:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The server responded: "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table")
>The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem
>(e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
>The following transport protocol was used:
>Kolab Server


This message comes from postfix and is telling you it doesn't know how
to deliver to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is quite likely that your
aliases are not configured in postfix in the right way. If things are
properly configured, I don't think it will be using the Kolab Server
transport protocol.

>>
>> >It looks as if mailman doesn't pick up the correct 2domain.com
>>
>> It looks to me like a MTA (postfix) configuration issue.
>>
>> >I have in mm_cfg.py domain.com as e-mail address for the server.
>> >
>> >I am using Kolab 2 and postfix as e-mail setup.
>>
>> Or maybe it's a Kolab 2/postfix issue. I don't think it's Mailman.
>
>No but I don't know how to solve it. I am probably missing something in the
>postfix configuration. How does postfix get to know the mailman mailing
>lists? where does it get the mailing list address.
>
>My mm_cfg.py has this:
>###
># Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
>
>from Defaults import *
>
>##
># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'btspuhler.com'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.btspuhler.com'
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>MTA = 'Postfix'
>
>all I added in main.cf is this, the hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>as
>
>alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


With MTA = 'Postfix', when you create a list, Mailman puts a bunch of
aliases in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases. They look something like

list:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list"
list-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin list"
list-bounces:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list"
list-confirm:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm list"
list-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join list"
list-leave:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave list"
list-owner:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner list"
list-request:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request list"
list-subscribe:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list"
list-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe list"

Mailman then calls the POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD which in your case is the
default '/usr/sbin/postalias' to update the aliases.db file. It is
these aliases together with the above alias_maps in the postfix config
that tell postfix how to deliver to 'list'.

In your case, something is wrong with the aliases or aliases.db files
content or permissions or they aren't where postfix thinks they are or
something in the postfix configuration, perhaps having to do with
Kolab 2, is interfering with postfix's use of the aliases, or ??

See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html and subordinates.
If you still can't figure it out, try a postfix support list. This is
not a Mailman problem. The mail never gets to Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] help

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i am having serious problems with mailman.
we have nearly 700 members on our mailing list, and only some people are 
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i have reviewed the help sections, but need to know, step-by-step,
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we have nearly 700 members on our mailing list, and only some people are 
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i have reviewed the help sections, but need to know, step-by-step,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Thomas Spuhler]

On Thursday 27 October 2005 08:32 pm, you wrote:
> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
> >On Thursday 27 October 2005 07:23 am, you wrote:
> >> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
> >> >Whne I post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > I can send the e-mail but of course it comes back.
> >>
> >> Comes back from what with what reason? Do you mean it comes back from
> >> mailman? If so, with what reason. Offhand, I can't think of any reason
> >> why Mailman wouldn't accept it except maybe 'implicit destination' and
> >> this should result in a held message, not a reject.
> >
> >Sending failed:
> >Message sending failed since the following recipients were rejected by the
> >server:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The server responded:
> > "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in
> > local recipient table") The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder
> > until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the
> > message from the 'outbox' folder. The following transport protocol was
> > used:
> >Kolab Server
>
> This message comes from postfix and is telling you it doesn't know how
> to deliver to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is quite likely that your
> aliases are not configured in postfix in the right way. If things are
> properly configured, I don't think it will be using the Kolab Server
> transport protocol.
What is required in postfix for mailman aliases, alias_maps, alias_database
where does postfix get the mailman list addresses from?


>
> >> >It looks as if mailman doesn't pick up the correct 2domain.com
> >>
> >> It looks to me like a MTA (postfix) configuration issue.
> >>
> >> >I have in mm_cfg.py domain.com as e-mail address for the server.
> >> >
> >> >I am using Kolab 2 and postfix as e-mail setup.
> >>
> >> Or maybe it's a Kolab 2/postfix issue. I don't think it's Mailman.
> >
> >No but I don't know how to solve it. I am probably missing something in
> > the postfix configuration. How does postfix get to know the mailman
> > mailing lists? where does it get the mailing list address.
> >
> >My mm_cfg.py has this:
> >###
> ># Here's where we get the distributed defaults.
> >
> >from Defaults import *
> >
> >##
> ># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'btspuhler.com'
> >DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.btspuhler.com'
> >add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> >MTA = 'Postfix'
> >
> >all I added in main.cf is this, the hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> >as
> >
> >alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
>
> With MTA = 'Postfix', when you create a list, Mailman puts a bunch of
> aliases in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases. They look something like
>
> list:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list"
> list-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin list"
> list-bounces:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list"
> list-confirm:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm list"
> list-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join list"
> list-leave:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave list"
> list-owner:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner list"
> list-request:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request list"
> list-subscribe:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list"
> list-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe list"

these are in there for three lists. When I add a list member using the WEB 
interface and click on notify list owner, or if I add myself to the list, I 
get notified. (I receive the e-mail.
The /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db gets updated.
For what is the systemwide mailing list "mailman" used?


>
> Mailman then calls the POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD which in your case is the
> default '/usr/sbin/postalias' to update the aliases.db file. It is
> these aliases together with the above alias_maps in the postfix config
> that tell postfix how to deliver to 'list'.
>
> In your case, something is wrong with the aliases or aliases.db files
> content or permissions or they aren't where postfix thinks they are or
> something in the postfix configuration, perhaps having to do with
> Kolab 2, is interfering with postfix's use of the aliases, or ??
>
> See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html and subordinates.
> If you still can't figure it out, try a postfix support list. This is
> not a Mailman problem. The mail never gets to Mailman.
I was on this site already. Seems kind of outdated? or Mandriva just installs 
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman <==> vBulletin works fine for me..

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I am using VB as an archiver for Mailman messages.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating Lists to a new server

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Moving a Mailman list hosted on a cPanel based server is very easy
(preferbly to another cPanel based server). Just take a full-site abckup and
restore the tar file in the new server. All settings, archives move
smoothly.

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> >> Can someone point me to some documentation for migrating mailman
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> >>
> >
> >
> >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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> >
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> >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%
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> >>
> >
> > Start with
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> > z!
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem to send e-mil to the list

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas Spuhler wrote:
>
>On Thursday 27 October 2005 08:32 pm, you wrote:
>>
>> This message comes from postfix and is telling you it doesn't know how
>> to deliver to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is quite likely that your
>> aliases are not configured in postfix in the right way. If things are
>> properly configured, I don't think it will be using the Kolab Server
>> transport protocol.
>What is required in postfix for mailman aliases, alias_maps, alias_database
>where does postfix get the mailman list addresses from?


See below


>>
>> With MTA = 'Postfix', when you create a list, Mailman puts a bunch of
>> aliases in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases. They look something like
>>
>> list:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post list"
>> list-admin:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin list"
>> list-bounces:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces list"
>> list-confirm:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm list"
>> list-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join list"
>> list-leave:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave list"
>> list-owner:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner list"
>> list-request:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request list"
>> list-subscribe:"|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe list"
>> list-unsubscribe:  "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe list"
>
>these are in there for three lists. When I add a list member using the WEB
>interface and click on notify list owner, or if I add myself to the list, I
>get notified. (I receive the e-mail.


An owner notification may be sent to 'list-owner' which if received
would indicate that mail to 'list-owner' originating from 'localhost'
is properly delivered back to Mailman, so something may work, but mail
to 'list' originating from wherever you send it from doesn't seem to
work.


>The /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db gets updated.
>For what is the systemwide mailing list "mailman" used?


See the FAQ, Article 4.25
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py


>>
>> Mailman then calls the POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD which in your case is the
>> default '/usr/sbin/postalias' to update the aliases.db file. It is
>> these aliases together with the above alias_maps in the postfix config
>> that tell postfix how to deliver to 'list'.
>>
>> In your case, something is wrong with the aliases or aliases.db files
>> content or permissions or they aren't where postfix thinks they are or
>> something in the postfix configuration, perhaps having to do with
>> Kolab 2, is interfering with postfix's use of the aliases, or ??
>>
>> See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html and subordinates.
>> If you still can't figure it out, try a postfix support list. This is
>> not a Mailman problem. The mail never gets to Mailman.
>I was on this site already. Seems kind of outdated? or Mandriva just installs
>it very differently.

I think the manual is current, but I don't use postfix, so I don't know
for sure.

As I said before, there isn't any more I can offer you. There are
others on this list who know more about configuring postfix than I do,
but this is a Mailman list. You might find more help from a postfix
list or from your packager.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help

[Mark Sapiro]

jeremy wrote:

>i am having serious problems with mailman.
>we have nearly 700 members on our mailing list, and only some people are 
>getting mail.
>i have reviewed the help sections, but need to know, step-by-step,
>how to export the email addresses from the list.
>can you please help me?


The steps differ depending on what you want and whether Mailman is on
your server or elswhere, what kind of access you have to the server if
any or if you just have access to the web admin pages for your list.
So someone may be able to help you if you describe your configuration.

Also, see the FAQ
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Articles 1.22 and 1.23, and search the archives of this list (see FAQ
1.18). This question has been answered many times on this list.

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