Re: [Mailman-Users] about python

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, reema jamil wrote:
> hello,
>
>   I want a detailed tutorial on python. Also want to know that does this 
> language support pointers, enumeration, record ,union , abstract data types 
> etc... 


You might try http://www.python.org/ and possibly 
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide.

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[Mailman-Users] about python

[reema jamil]

hello,
   
  I want a detailed tutorial on python. Also want to know that does this 
language support pointers, enumeration, record ,union , abstract data types 
etc... 
  Thanks for your help.
   


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!

[Mark Sapiro]

Bob Bales wrote:
>
>I had the same problem with this list, and I changed 
>email addresses and that ended it, as far as receiving email. I emailed my 
>"HELP" email at 9:23 am,  it didn't show up on the list until 4:23PM.


I don't have your original post that I received from the list, but if
you have it, check for the presence of an X-Mailman-Approved-At:
header indicating it was approved by a moderator and when.

I have experienced no delays from this list lately, so if there
actually was a delay in the list's receiving your mail or your
receiving the post back, it is likely a delay occurring between MTAs
totally outside of Mailman.

>I changed addresses for the other list and didn't have any effect at all.

So what is actually happening with this other list. You receive no mail
from the list? You post to the list and no one receives your post and
it doesn't appear in the archive? Other people post and receive OK?
You say your address is subscribed. Is mail delivery enabled? You say
you changed addresses. From the user options page? Did you receive and
respond to the confirmation?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Turning off confirmation?

[Mark Sapiro]

David Ellsworth wrote:

>My client wants to turn all confirmations off. Can this be
>done? They want to add addresses as they get approval in person (it's a
>political campaign) but without all the confirmation process. Is that
>possible? 


The list owner can directly add subscribers through the list admin
Membership Management...->Mass Subscription page without any
confirmation required (subscribe rather than invite).

It is also possible to add an open subscribe option (Privacy
options...->Subscription rules->subscribe_policy choice of None) which
allows anyone to subscribe anyone without confirmation. This option
has to be enabled on a site wide basis to appear on the page. It is
not recommended and probably not what your client wants anyway, but it
can be enabled by setting ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py (See
Defaults.py for more info).

It sounds to me like the admin Mass Subscribe is what your client wants.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces stopped on all lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Kaitlyn Taylor Considine wrote:

>A few weeks ago all mailman list owners stopped receiving bounces of any 
>kind. They are not being misdirected to any of the cpanel WHM server 
>contacts either. They can be seen briefly at 
>/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/data/bounce-events-#.pck and then 
>those disappear as well, likely assuming they were delivered.


Not exactly. The Bounce runner queues all incoming bounces in a file
like the above and then every (default) 15 minutes processes all the
queued bounces in that file and removes the file. So that part of the
process is working.


What is in the bounce log (probably
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/logs/bounce, but maybe elsewhere)?

If you go the the admin Bounce processing page for each list in turn,
is bounce_processing set to Yes and are all the notifications set to
Yes?


>My sys guy has been unable to fix itthinks it's a cpanel issue.


If so, see
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!

[Bob Bales]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!


> Bob Bales wrote:
>
>>I have a mailman list that has been working just fine. But, all of a 
>>sudden
>>my admin account is not receiving mail from or sending mail to the list. 
>>Any
>>suggestions?
>
> Is it still subscribed?

Yes, Mark.

It is still subscribed. I had the same problem with this list, and I changed 
email addresses and that ended it, as far as receiving email. I emailed my 
"HELP" email at 9:23 am,  it didn't show up on the list until 4:23PM.

I changed addresses for the other list and didn't have any effect at all.

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[Mailman-Users] Turning off confirmation?

[David Ellsworth]

I saw the archive thread regarding turning off just unsubscribing
confirmations. My client wants to turn all confirmations off. Can this be
done? They want to add addresses as they get approval in person (it's a
political campaign) but without all the confirmation process. Is that
possible? 

Thanks

David


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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

[Larry Stone]

On 2/3/06 7:45 PM, David Gibbs at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Brad Knowles wrote:
>> Just saw this article at :
>> 
>> AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program
> 
>> Basically, unless you want to pay GoodMail to certify everything
>> sent by your list, you just won't get through to AOL recipients.  So,
>> I guess it's time to unsubscribe all AOL users.
> 
> I'm just going to tell my AOL subscribers to complain to AOL that they
> aren't getting the mail they are expecting.

I quite agree. It's not my problem, it's the problem of the AOL user who
solicited mail from me and is not getting it.

Nothing I do provides me any direct benefit so I'm sure as heck not paying
for assured delivery. It all supports activities in which I'm a volunteer.
At best they lose a "fun" message. At worst, one of the soccer referees I
assign loses out on an assignment (I'm a volunteer but they get paid) -
maybe when they realize that lack of reliable mail delivery is costing them
money, they'll change.

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[Mailman-Users] bounces stopped on all lists

[Kaitlyn Taylor Considine]

A few weeks ago all mailman list owners stopped receiving bounces of any 
kind. They are not being misdirected to any of the cpanel WHM server 
contacts either. They can be seen briefly at 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/data/bounce-events-#.pck and then 
those disappear as well, likely assuming they were delivered.

My sys guy has been unable to fix itthinks it's a cpanel issue.

Any ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

[David Gibbs]

Brad Knowles wrote:
>   Just saw this article at 
> :
> 
>   AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

>   Basically, unless you want to pay GoodMail to certify everything 
> sent by your list, you just won't get through to AOL recipients.  So, 
> I guess it's time to unsubscribe all AOL users.

I'm just going to tell my AOL subscribers to complain to AOL that they
aren't getting the mail they are expecting.

I figure there will be two possible outcomes ... a) AOL will change
their policy because of the number of complaints, or b) the AOL
subscribers will switch to a real email provider and the problem will go
away (along with, one hopes, AOL itself).

david

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[Mailman-Users] AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program

[Brad Knowles]

Folks,

Just saw this article at 
:

AOL to Implement E-mail Certification Program
ð ð ð   ClickZ News

By Kevin Newcomb | January 30, 2006


In a bid to protect its members from e-mail fraud and phishing, 
and
to offer consistency to commercial e-mail senders, AOL today 
will
begin implementing Goodmail's cryptographic CertifiedEmail 
program
and phasing out its IP-based Enhanced Whitelist.

As part of its e-mail security practices, AOL blocks the display
of images and hyperlinks on most high-volume messages, except if
senders are on the AOL Enhanced whitelist and maintain very low
complaint rates. Beginning today, AOL will also allow senders 
who
have undergone accreditation through Goodmail to display images
and hyperlinks by default. Goodmail charges accredited companies
a fraction of a cent per message sent.


Read the rest at the URL above.


So, any thoughts on what that means for mailing list operators 
around the world?  From my perspective, it looks like FAQ 3.42 (see 
) 
is going to take a turn for the worst.

Basically, unless you want to pay GoodMail to certify everything 
sent by your list, you just won't get through to AOL recipients.  So, 
I guess it's time to unsubscribe all AOL users.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Mark Sapiro]

Clóvis Tristão wrote:
>
>How to see the unknown users in Mailman? It is generate any log about
>users unknown?
>I saw in the /var/log/maillog, but is very difficult identify, many
>information.

Go to the list admin Bounce processing page for the list and be sure
bounce_processing is set to Yes. Then, depending the frequency of
posts to your list and how agressive you want to be about removing
bouncing members, set the other options according to their
descriptions.

Then all bounces will be logged in the 'bounce' log. and members will
be automatically disabled and removed according to your settings.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Clóvis Tristão]

> If the message is getting as far as the MTA to be logged there as an
> unknown user then there is no Mailman problem. The problem is in
> delivery from the MTA to the user. These problems should be reported
> back to Mailman at the -bounces address and there should be
> entries about them in Mailman's 'bounce' log assuming bounce
> processing is enabled for the list.

Hi,

How to see the unknown users in Mailman? It is generate any log about
users unknown?
I saw in the /var/log/maillog, but is very difficult identify, many
information.
Thanks a lot,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Clóvis Tristão]

> Clóvis Tristão wrote:
>>>
>>> Errors in the error log? What are they?
>>
>>Errors sorry, I expressed myself badly.
>
>
> So if I understand you correctly, there are no errors in
> /var/log/mailman/error - Correct?

Yes...

>>The stranger is that the message goes for archive of the list but does
>> not
>>arrive in the members.
>>I noticed that he has many members(20%) that do not make more part of the
>>list and in log(MTA) it says that the user is unknown. Can be this the
>>problem?
>
>
> If the message is getting as far as the MTA to be logged there as an
> unknown user then there is no Mailman problem. The problem is in
> delivery from the MTA to the user. These problems should be reported
> back to Mailman at the -bounces address and there should be
> entries about them in Mailman's 'bounce' log assuming bounce
> processing is enabled for the list.

OK, I´m going to remove the unknown users.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issues with replaced characters/newlines in mailman lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Matt Zorzin wrote:
>
>We are not sure, but our previous version was in the 2.0 family.


I'm not familiar offhand with what 2.0.x did WRT folding subject
headers, but maybe it didn't.

 
>> What does the actual, raw subject look like if you view the 'message
>> source'?
>> 
>
>This is an exact copy and paste of an affected subject, with info 
>obfuscated but of an identical length to the original information:
>
>Subject: [Suspect List XX] 11-11: Subject of emails coming from
>   mailing lists with "?" between words


The only thing I see in this subject is RFC 2822 folding (i.e. the
newline followed by whitespace (a tab in this case) that is the
standard way of folding long headers. I see only spaces between words.
I see nothing that would cause your MUA (client) to show
'undisplayable' characters.


>Our mail clients all run through AVG Enterprise antivirus.
>
>One interesting note is that it seems that many posts from this very 
>list (mailman-users) are exhibiting the same symptoms; i'm getting the 
>nonprintable characters in Mozilla, and a 'view source' shows a newline 
>in the subject.


As I indicated in my previous post, the newline comes from folding of a
long subject in a standard way. My MUA is going to do this to this
message which is going directly to you, not through Mailman. What do
you see in your MUA as the subject of this message?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!

[Mark Sapiro]

Bob Bales wrote:

>I have a mailman list that has been working just fine. But, all of a sudden 
>my admin account is not receiving mail from or sending mail to the list. Any 
>suggestions?

Is it still subscribed?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] customizing templates

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Adams wrote:
>
>That's good information to know. Thanks. I am a bit confused about this 
>/templates/site/en/ directory. There isn't a directory 'site' under 
>prefix/templates/. I only see the language directories. Do I have to 
>create a new directory?


Yes. That way, you know it won't be overwritten in an update :-)

Seriously, you have to create the 'site' and site/' directories
in templates/. Then any edited templates you put there will become the
default templates for that language at your site. And, they won't be
changed in an update.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] customizing templates

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> But if you have a custom template say in
> templates/site/en/listinfo.html, and there is not a list specific
> template, when the listowner first edits the template, she will get
> the 'site' template as the base to edit.

That's good information to know. Thanks. I am a bit confused about this 
/templates/site/en/ directory. There isn't a directory 'site' under 
prefix/templates/. I only see the language directories. Do I have to 
create a new directory?

Please enlighten.

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[Mailman-Users] HELP!

[Bob Bales]

I have a mailman list that has been working just fine. But, all of a sudden 
my admin account is not receiving mail from or sending mail to the list. Any 
suggestions?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issues with replaced characters/newlines in mailmanlists

[Matt Zorzin]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Matt Zorzin wrote:
> 
> 
>>My company runs several mailman lists for internal usage, which we have 
>>been happy with for years. Recently after an upgrade, our system has 
>>started behaving strangely.
> 
> 
> 
> Upgrade from what to what?
> 
> 

I must clarify on this. This is a clean mailman 2.1.6 install from 
scratch. We configured all four mailing lists separately and identically.

We are not sure, but our previous version was in the 2.0 family.

> 
> I don't know what would cause this. Does it happen for all posts or
> only on posts from the ticket system? i.e. what happens if you send a
> normal email post to a ticket list?

Emails from a client such as OE or Mozilla do not get mangled. Only 
posts from our ticket system are affected.

> 
> What does the actual, raw subject look like if you view the 'message
> source'?
> 

This is an exact copy and paste of an affected subject, with info 
obfuscated but of an identical length to the original information:

Subject: [Suspect List XX] 11-11: Subject of emails coming from
mailing lists with "?" between words

Our mail clients all run through AVG Enterprise antivirus.

One interesting note is that it seems that many posts from this very 
list (mailman-users) are exhibiting the same symptoms; i'm getting the 
nonprintable characters in Mozilla, and a 'view source' shows a newline 
in the subject.

Matt

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Adams wrote:

>Thanks, Mark. I was aware that list-specific templates could be set up
>and I guess I didn't think about the effect of upgrades on them.
>As I understand the FAQ, Mailman will look for the templates
>first in the list specific directory, and if it doesn't exist, in the
>base template directory. We host over 500 lists. Most list owners do not
>modify their list information template. In order for most of the lists
>to reflect the information that I want, I edited the base template. If a 
>list owner has a list specific template,  it will override whatever 
>changes I make in the base template.


There are two other places edited templates can be put. In addition to
putting an edited template in lists/// (where it will
be used only for that list and language), you can put it in
templates/// where it will become the default template
for that virtual host and language, and you can put it in
templates/site// where it will become the default for the entire
installation for that language.


>It looks like, until you actually go to the list information page in the
>list admin page and make edits, it uses the base template listinfo.html.


Or the  or site template if any.


>Once you have edited the list-specific listinfo page, it uses the base
>template.


I think you mean list specific, not base.


>Even adding the description in the General Options doesn't
>create the /lists// directory. It still uses the base template
>until you go to the page and edit it.


Or the  or site template, but yes, the 'edit' page only creates
the lists/// directory and/or template when the edited
template is first saved.


>It would be nice if there were specific parts of the listinfo.html page 
>that could not be changed by list owners. As it is, it seems that my 
>changing the base template listinfo.html is useless for several reasons. 
>One, it is overridden when an update takes place


Not if you put it in templates/site//


>and two, it is 
>overridden as soon as the list-specific page is edited, which occurs 
>with every one of our lists. The only use for the customized base 
>template is if list owners don't make any edits to the list info page.


But if you have a custom template say in
templates/site/en/listinfo.html, and there is not a list specific
template, when the listowner first edits the template, she will get
the 'site' template as the base to edit.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Christopher Adams]

Thanks, Mark. I was aware that list-specific templates could be set up
and I guess I didn't think about the effect of upgrades on them.
As I understand the FAQ, Mailman will look for the templates
first in the list specific directory, and if it doesn't exist, in the
base template directory. We host over 500 lists. Most list owners do not
modify their list information template. In order for most of the lists
to reflect the information that I want, I edited the base template. If a 
list owner has a list specific template,  it will override whatever 
changes I make in the base template.

It looks like, until you actually go to the list information page in the
list admin page and make edits, it uses the base template listinfo.html.
Once you have edited the list-specific listinfo page, it uses the base
template. Even adding the description in the General Options doesn't
create the /lists// directory. It still uses the base template
until you go to the page and edit it.

It would be nice if there were specific parts of the listinfo.html page 
that could not be changed by list owners. As it is, it seems that my 
changing the base template listinfo.html is useless for several reasons. 
One, it is overridden when an update takes place and two, it is 
overridden as soon as the list-specific page is edited, which occurs 
with every one of our lists. The only use for the customized base 
template is if list owners don't make any edits to the list info page.



Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-5031
503-932-1004 (general support line)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Christopher Adams wrote:
> 
> 
>>One thing to keep in mind when upgrading Mailman is that some customized 
>>templates will be overwritten. The significant ones I can think of are 
>>listinfo.html and newlist.txt. So, I always at minimum the templates 
>>directory and copy over the files after the upgrade.
> 
> 
> This is true if you edit the base template in templates//, but
> you should never do that. If you install edited templates as described
> in
> ,
> they will not be overwritten during an upgrade.
> 
> Note however that occasionally, base templates need to be modified to
> accommodate some other change, so if you have custom templates, it is
> a good idea to compare them to the base after an upgrade to make sure
> that the only differences are your own changes.
> 
> In this case, there is an easily overlooked change to private.html for
> 2.1.7 that removes the trailing slash from the post URL in the
> template to accommodate the fix for bug 1080943.
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie struggling with add_virtualhosts

[Alan Chandler]

On Friday 03 February 2006 05:15, Mark Sapiro wrote:
...
> Then you need to configure your web server to rewrite all the other
> (mail.home, roo.home and localhost) host names as www.home.

Ah! The missing piece of the jigsaw.

Now I understand.

Not sure if I can handle the ssh port forwarding case from a machine outside 
my network localhost (this is normally from a machine which will never even 
know the existance of the .home domain since the dns server for that remains 
very firmly just in my lan) - but I guess I can live with that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Mark Sapiro]

Clóvis Tristão wrote:
>>
>> Errors in the error log? What are they?
>
>Errors sorry, I expressed myself badly.


So if I understand you correctly, there are no errors in
/var/log/mailman/error - Correct?



>The stranger is that the message goes for archive of the list but does not
>arrive in the members.
>I noticed that he has many members(20%) that do not make more part of the
>list and in log(MTA) it says that the user is unknown. Can be this the
>problem?


If the message is getting as far as the MTA to be logged there as an
unknown user then there is no Mailman problem. The problem is in
delivery from the MTA to the user. These problems should be reported
back to Mailman at the -bounces address and there should be
entries about them in Mailman's 'bounce' log assuming bounce
processing is enabled for the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Clóvis Tristão]

> Clovis Tristao wrote:
>>
>>I am having problem with one of my Mailman lists, it stopped to function
>>to one lists.
>>This appearing errors and several bounce-events-.pck, when send
>>e-mail to list.
>
>
> Errors in the error log? What are they?

Errors sorry, I expressed myself badly.

>
>>My system:
>>Fedora Core 4
>>mailman-2.1.5-35
>>
>>/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
>>Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) Low level smtp error: Server not connected,
>>msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with
>>code -1: Server not connected
>
>
> This was presumably a transient error in communicating with your
> outgoing MTA. You could check your MTA logs for the same time to see
> if there's more info there.
>
>
>>dir/var/lib/mailman/data :
>>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman4335 Fev  3 14:25
>>heldmsg-graduacao-l-95.pck
>>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Fev  3 13:43
>> bounce-events-21966.pck
>>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  716831 Fev  3 12:48
>> heldmsg-docentes-l-79.pck
>>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   45113 Fev  3 12:45
>>heldmsg-graduacao-l-94.pck
>>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   76828 Fev  3 08:58
>> heldmsg-posgrad-l-41.pck
>>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   34012 Fev  2 13:52
>> heldmsg-posgrad-l-40.pck
>>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman5645 Fev  1 08:24
>> bounce-events-02358.pck
>>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Jan 30 10:37
>> bounce-events-01858.pck
>>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman1169 Jan 20 14:27
>> bounce-events-02362.pck
>>
>>What they are these archives(held*,bounce*)? I have some archives of
>>bounce?  It's normal?
>
>
> The BounceRunner queues bounces as they are received and only processes
> them at intervals determined by the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting
> REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY which defaults to 15 minutes. The bounces are
> queued in the bounce-events-*.pck files. If the bounce runner is
> stopped or restarted when there is an outstanding file, the file can
> be orphaned and the bounces lost. All the older bounce-events-*.pck
> files are such and can be deleted.
>
> The heldmsg--*.pck files are messages for  waiting
> moderator action. When the moderator discards, rejects or approves the
> messages, the files will be removed.

Thanks for your explanation about it.

>
> None of these things would be responsible for one list not functioning.
>
> In Mailman 2.1.5, it is possible that a malformed message of some kind
> in the lists//digest.mbox file can stop a list from
> processing, but there should be 'shunted' messages and tracebacks in
> Mailman's 'error' log if this is the case. What's in the 'error' log?

The stranger is that the message goes for archive of the list but does not
arrive in the members.
I noticed that he has many members(20%) that do not make more part of the
list and in log(MTA) it says that the user is unknown. Can be this the
problem?

>
> If there is a lists//digest.mbox file for the problem list,
> you could try moving it out of the lists// directory and see
> if that allows the list to work. The real solution, if this is the
> problem, is to find the bad message in lists//digest.mbox
> and fix or delete it.
>
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>
>

Thanks a lot,

Clovis

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Unsubscribe Notifications

[Mark Sapiro]

Matthew O'Malley wrote:
>
>My members are unsubscribing themselves by sending an email to the list, so
>I can't see that this would cause the notices to be sent to the moderators.

If this is the case, notice should be controlled by
admin_notify_mchanges on the list's General Options page.

If however, they are being unsubscribed by automated bounce processing,
the notice is controlled by bounce_notify_owner_on_removal on the
Bounce processing page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Mark Sapiro]

Clovis Tristao wrote:
>
>I am having problem with one of my Mailman lists, it stopped to function
>to one lists.
>This appearing errors and several bounce-events-.pck, when send
>e-mail to list.


Errors in the error log? What are they?


>My system:
>Fedora Core 4
>mailman-2.1.5-35
>
>/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
>Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) Low level smtp error: Server not connected, 
>msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
>code -1: Server not connected


This was presumably a transient error in communicating with your
outgoing MTA. You could check your MTA logs for the same time to see
if there's more info there.


>dir/var/lib/mailman/data :
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman4335 Fev  3 14:25 
>heldmsg-graduacao-l-95.pck
>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Fev  3 13:43 bounce-events-21966.pck
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  716831 Fev  3 12:48 heldmsg-docentes-l-79.pck
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   45113 Fev  3 12:45 
>heldmsg-graduacao-l-94.pck
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   76828 Fev  3 08:58 heldmsg-posgrad-l-41.pck
>-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   34012 Fev  2 13:52 heldmsg-posgrad-l-40.pck
>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman5645 Fev  1 08:24 bounce-events-02358.pck
>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Jan 30 10:37 bounce-events-01858.pck
>-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman1169 Jan 20 14:27 bounce-events-02362.pck
>
>What they are these archives(held*,bounce*)? I have some archives of
>bounce?  It's normal?


The BounceRunner queues bounces as they are received and only processes
them at intervals determined by the Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py setting
REGISTER_BOUNCES_EVERY which defaults to 15 minutes. The bounces are
queued in the bounce-events-*.pck files. If the bounce runner is
stopped or restarted when there is an outstanding file, the file can
be orphaned and the bounces lost. All the older bounce-events-*.pck
files are such and can be deleted.

The heldmsg--*.pck files are messages for  waiting
moderator action. When the moderator discards, rejects or approves the
messages, the files will be removed.


None of these things would be responsible for one list not functioning.

In Mailman 2.1.5, it is possible that a malformed message of some kind
in the lists//digest.mbox file can stop a list from
processing, but there should be 'shunted' messages and tracebacks in
Mailman's 'error' log if this is the case. What's in the 'error' log?

If there is a lists//digest.mbox file for the problem list,
you could try moving it out of the lists// directory and see
if that allows the list to work. The real solution, if this is the
problem, is to find the bad message in lists//digest.mbox
and fix or delete it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange URL for archive access

[Mark Sapiro]

Lukas Ruf wrote:
>
>while clicking on listinfo -> 'listname' works, clicking on the
>provided archive URL doesn't.  After searching the web without
>success, I contact you.
>
>I setup a mailman on my server  to

What archive URL doesn't work?

I just went to your listinfo overview page and from there to the
listinfo pages for the info and muttprint lists and tried the archive
link on each of those pages and it worked for me.

BTW, I notice your PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL is 'http' and your
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN is 'https'. Is this intentional?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Adams wrote:

>One thing to keep in mind when upgrading Mailman is that some customized 
>templates will be overwritten. The significant ones I can think of are 
>listinfo.html and newlist.txt. So, I always at minimum the templates 
>directory and copy over the files after the upgrade.

This is true if you edit the base template in templates//, but
you should never do that. If you install edited templates as described
in
,
they will not be overwritten during an upgrade.

Note however that occasionally, base templates need to be modified to
accommodate some other change, so if you have custom templates, it is
a good idea to compare them to the base after an upgrade to make sure
that the only differences are your own changes.

In this case, there is an easily overlooked change to private.html for
2.1.7 that removes the trailing slash from the post URL in the
template to accommodate the fix for bug 1080943.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange URL for archive access

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

> Lukas Ruf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-03 18:28]:
>
> I setup a mailman on my server  to
> - serve requests via https
> - allow for shortened URLs
> on a Debian/Linux system.
>

I forgot to add: I am using mailman 2.1.7 with apache 2.0.55.

Sorry

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[Mailman-Users] Strange URL for archive access

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

I have the following problem:

while clicking on listinfo -> 'listname' works, clicking on the
provided archive URL doesn't.  After searching the web without
success, I contact you.

I setup a mailman on my server  to
- serve requests via https
- allow for shortened URLs
on a Debian/Linux system.

with /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py settings as follows:
  IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/'
  PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/cgi-bin/mailman/private'
  PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
  DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lpr.ch'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'lists.lpr.ch'
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

and with /etc/apache2/conf.d/mailman as follows:
  ScriptAlias/cgi-bin/mailman//var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
  ScriptAlias/mailman//var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
  Alias  /pipermail/  /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
  Alias  /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/
  Alias  /doc/mailman/images/ /usr/share/images/mailman/

  
  Options FollowSymLinks
  

In my apache2-settings, I have no redirect related with mailman.

Thus, when pointing on my "info" list on
, the corresponding info page
 is displayed correctly.
However, when I click there on archive, my web-browser makes use of
 instead of
 which works.

Why?  What do I do wrong?

Thanks in advance for any hint!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Christopher Adams]

One thing to keep in mind when upgrading Mailman is that some customized 
templates will be overwritten. The significant ones I can think of are 
listinfo.html and newlist.txt. So, I always at minimum the templates 
directory and copy over the files after the upgrade.


Christopher Adams


Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Pad Hosmane wrote:
> 
> 
>> We are using mailman-2.1.4 on HP-UX. It is running without any issues. Now
>>we want to upgrade it to latest version 2.1.7. I searched online for
>>documentation about upgrade, and I could not find any. Can anyone guide me
>>how to do the upgrade or provide URL where I can get information about
>>upgrade?
> 
> 
> 
> Upgrading is very straightforward. It consists of downloading and
> unpacking the distribution and running 'configure', 'make', and 'make
> install'. It is described in fairly complete detail in the UPGRADING
> file that is in the top level directory in the distribution. Also see
> section 3 of the installation manual at
> admin/www/mailman-install/node6.html or
> admin/www/mailman-install.(pdf|ps|txt) in the distribition.
> 
> 
> In this case, there are a few important errors in the 2.1.7 release
> which are fixed by the patch at
> 
> 
> This should be applied with
> 
> patch -p0 < this_patch
> 
> in the unpack directory before 'make install'. Or, you can wait for
> 2.1.8 which should be available within the month and fixes these and a
> few other issues.
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Mark Sapiro]

Pad Hosmane wrote:

>  We are using mailman-2.1.4 on HP-UX. It is running without any issues. Now
>we want to upgrade it to latest version 2.1.7. I searched online for
>documentation about upgrade, and I could not find any. Can anyone guide me
>how to do the upgrade or provide URL where I can get information about
>upgrade?


Upgrading is very straightforward. It consists of downloading and
unpacking the distribution and running 'configure', 'make', and 'make
install'. It is described in fairly complete detail in the UPGRADING
file that is in the top level directory in the distribution. Also see
section 3 of the installation manual at
admin/www/mailman-install/node6.html or
admin/www/mailman-install.(pdf|ps|txt) in the distribition.


In this case, there are a few important errors in the 2.1.7 release
which are fixed by the patch at


This should be applied with

patch -p0 < this_patch

in the unpack directory before 'make install'. Or, you can wait for
2.1.8 which should be available within the month and fixes these and a
few other issues.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman log error

[Clovis Tristao]

Hi,

I am having problem with one of my Mailman lists, it stopped to function 
to one lists.
This appearing errors and several bounce-events-.pck, when send 
e-mail to list.

My system:
Fedora Core 4
mailman-2.1.5-35

/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure:
Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) Low level smtp error: Server not connected, 
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jan 29 05:09:49 2006 (1858) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
code -1: Server not connected

dir/var/lib/mailman/data :
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman4335 Fev  3 14:25 
heldmsg-graduacao-l-95.pck
-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Fev  3 13:43 bounce-events-21966.pck
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman  716831 Fev  3 12:48 heldmsg-docentes-l-79.pck
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   45113 Fev  3 12:45 
heldmsg-graduacao-l-94.pck
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   76828 Fev  3 08:58 heldmsg-posgrad-l-41.pck
-rw-rw-r--  1 mailman mailman   34012 Fev  2 13:52 heldmsg-posgrad-l-40.pck
-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman5645 Fev  1 08:24 bounce-events-02358.pck
-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman   0 Jan 30 10:37 bounce-events-01858.pck
-rw-rw-rw-  1 mailman mailman1169 Jan 20 14:27 bounce-events-02362.pck

What they are these archives(held*,bounce*)? I have some archives of 
bounce?  It's normal?
As makes to debug these errors? How to fix?
Thanks a lot,
Clóvis

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Unsubscribe Notifications

[Matthew O'Malley]

Responses below-

Matthew O'Malley wrote:
>>My list moderators are receiving unsubscribe notifications for the list,
>>I don't know how to turn that off.  I have (under General Options) "Should
>>administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes?" set to "No",
>>but I'm wondering if there's another setting I need to turn off.

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>That should be the one. Some processes, e.g. admin mass unsubscribe and
>bin/sync_members, have the ability to override this setting. How are
>your members getting unsubscribed?

My members are unsubscribing themselves by sending an email to the list, so
I can't see that this would cause the notices to be sent to the moderators.

Thank you for your other moderation answers.

-Matthew O'Malley
Grand Junction Design

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[Mailman-Users] Upgrade mailman-2.1.4 to mailman-2.1.7

[Pad Hosmane]

Hi,
  We are using mailman-2.1.4 on HP-UX. It is running without any issues. Now
we want to upgrade it to latest version 2.1.7. I searched online for
documentation about upgrade, and I could not find any. Can anyone guide me
how to do the upgrade or provide URL where I can get information about
upgrade?

Thanks
PAd


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with arch after upgrade

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Jon Harris wrote:
> Hi List
> 
> I have just got round to upgrading from 2.1.6 to 2.1.7 and the upgrade
> went well.
> 

>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
> as_text
> '\g<1>' + _(' at ') + '\g<2>', body)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/sre.py", line 143, in sub
> return _compile(pattern, 0).sub(repl, string, count)
> UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

Please apply this patch and look how it goes.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1405790&group_id=103&atid=300103

Apply with patch -p0 (or -p1) < this_patch in the source tree and make 
install again.

> 
> --
> 
> Which doesn't look good :-( Should I be worried? 


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with arch after upgrade

[Jon Harris]

Hi List

I have just got round to upgrading from 2.1.6 to 2.1.7 and the upgrade
went well.

I just thought I had better run ./arch to tidy up the archives which
gave me a series of errors.


I got a whole series of these, which looks good:

--
Updating index files for archive [Week-of-Mon-20060130]
  Date
  Subject
  Author
  Thread
Computing threaded index
Updating HTML for article 1174
Updating HTML for article 1175
Updating HTML for article 1176
Updating HTML for article 1177
Updating HTML for article 1178
Updating HTML for article 1179
--

Then this happened:


Pickling archive state into
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cafcnews/pipermail.pck
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./arch", line 200, in ?
main()
  File "./arch", line 188, in main
archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 585, in
processUnixMailbox
self.add_article(a)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 626, in
add_article
filename))
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 1116, in
write_article
f.write(article.as_text())
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 579, in
as_text
'\g<1>' + _(' at ') + '\g<2>', body)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/sre.py", line 143, in sub
return _compile(pattern, 0).sub(repl, string, count)
UnicodeError: ASCII decoding error: ordinal not in range(128)

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Which doesn't look good :-( Should I be worried? 

Does anyone know what this means?

TIA

Jon Harris

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[Mailman-Users] Changes in Subscription Rules Setting

[Bob Bergey]

Somehow on all of my lists (about a dozen), the Subscription Rules 
(under Privacy Settings) were mysteriously changed from "Confirm" to 
"Confirm and Approve." What could cause that setting to change, 
seemingly on its own? There are no other unexplained changes that I 
can see.

The only thing I've done recently was use Apple's Disk Utility to 
repair permissions on my Xserve (following a brief power outage), on 
which Mailman runs. But I don't see how that would have affected a 
change like this. Any ideas?

Bob
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