[Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-22 Thread Oliver Schulze L.
Hi,
I use spamassassin to filter spam. So I configured a rule in mailman 
that detect
the string {Spam} in the subject of the email and then defer the email.

The problem is that mailman sent to owner of the list the email that is 
spam with
the body of the email. So, spamassassin detects the body and mark the email
as spam, and mailman differ the mail sended to the owner.

My question is:
how can I configure mailman to not sent the body of the email in the 
notification
to the owner of the list?

Many thanks
Oliver

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Oliver Schulze L. wrote:

My question is:
how can I configure mailman to not sent the body of the email in the 
notification
to the owner of the list?


You can turn off admin_immed_notify so the admin/moderator only gets a
daily summary of held posts. There's no other option for it.

If the daily summary is not sufficient, you could increase the
frequency of the cron/checkdbs job in mailman's crontab.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to execute a script when incoming mailarrives

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Bogen
Also, in some configurations (e.g., sendmail with smrsh) you may need
to tweak your security options to make sure that somescript.sh is
allowed to be executed in this way.
This page talks about setting up smrsh. You can probably ignore the
bit about reconfiguring sendmail, since we're assuming it's already
set up that way: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap22sec182.html

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/22/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I added the following line /etc/aliases file,
 forumtest-dummymember: |/home/kannan/scripts/somescript.sh
 
 But the thing is it doesnt seem to call the script. Any idea why? If
 the script got executed it creates a dummy file in the directory. (In
 this case the file wasnt created).


 Did you run postalias or newaliases or whatever the appropriate command
 is for your MTA to update the aliases.db file?

 What happens to the mail sent to forumtest-dummymember?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread Matthew Thompson
I haven't had time to sit and poke at the offending mail server to see
if they react to the reply to: or the from: header.  I'll have to mess
with that this weekend when traffic is lower on lour lists.

On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 14:35 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
  Matthew == Matthew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Matthew I have a mailing list with users subscribed from two
 Matthew particular domains, call them nice.com and naughty.com.
 Matthew The security czars are naughty.com have decided that
 Matthew inbound email with naughty.com in the From address cannot
 Matthew possibly be legitimate so they silently drop the mail.
 
 Mr. Foot, meet Mr. Bullet.  Make sure you cash any checks from
 naughty.com immediately; one gets the feeling they're not going to be
 around for very long.
 
I can't believe they are doing this either but unless someone invents a
machine capable of perpetual motion in the next couple of years, I'll
probably still have a job. ;)

 Matthew One way around this is to make the list anonymous but
 Matthew that creates the problem that we don't know who sent the
 Matthew message unless everyone always remembers to mark the
 Matthew messages either in the subject line or at the end of the
 Matthew message.
 
 Why not simply change all instances of @naughty.com in the author
 headers to @naughty.invalid or @censored.invalid or something like
 that?  It's easy enough to create a custom Handler to do that kind of
 thing, and should be safe, too.  Since you're going to have to modify
 Mailman in any case, I believe, this is the least intrusive way to do
 it.
 
This would probably work for us.  I was throwing this out to the list to
see what other approaches existed than the ideas I had.  It didn't occur
to me to just obscure the domain name.  I'd be happy to help out with
either the coding or testing if you need the help.


Thanks for the great suggestions all.

-Matt

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[Mailman-Users] email problems

2006-02-22 Thread patrick siglin
ok I have my exchange server and another email server on the inside 
bbs.memphistw.org I can recieve mail on the bbs.memphistw.org but can not 
seem to get mail on memphistw.org. Mail posts fine and every other user gets 
the email including the bbs.memphistw.org server. I do get emails from mailman 
about join requests and the welcome message but that is all. Any ideas? No spam 
blocker on the server so that shouldn't be it.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-22 Thread Oliver Schulze L.
Hi Mark,
ok, I will try to find a solution in my spam filter.
Will not scan if the email is relayed by mailman.

But still will have problem if the owner's mail server have a spam solution.
Maybe my mailman email server can get black listed for sending spam :(

I think its a nice feature request to ask, do not send body of the 
deffered email ;)

Thanks
Oliver

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Oliver Schulze L. wrote:
   
 My question is:
 how can I configure mailman to not sent the body of the email in the 
 notification
 to the owner of the list?
 


 You can turn off admin_immed_notify so the admin/moderator only gets a
 daily summary of held posts. There's no other option for it.

 If the daily summary is not sufficient, you could increase the
 frequency of the cron/checkdbs job in mailman's crontab.

   

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread John W. Baxter
On 2/21/06 3:27 PM, Matthew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a mailing list with users subscribed from two particular domains,
 call them nice.com and naughty.com.  The security czars are naughty.com
 have decided that inbound email with naughty.com in the From address
 cannot possibly be legitimate so they silently drop the mail.
 
 The result of this is when users from nice.com send email to the list,
 everyone gets the message just fine.  However, when someone from
 naughty.com sends a message, only users at nice.com get the message.
 
 One way around this is to make the list anonymous but that creates the
 problem that we don't know who sent the message unless everyone always
 remembers to mark the messages either in the subject line or at the end
 of the message.

You know your institutional requirements and I don't.  However, I don't
think I would do anything to accommodate naughty.com's users.  Let them use
an address elsewhere for dealing with your mailing list.

  --John the Churl


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread John W. Baxter
On 2/21/06 3:27 PM, Matthew Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a mailing list with users subscribed from two particular domains,
 call them nice.com and naughty.com.

By the way, almost any domain whose name one invents for purposes like this
exists.

  nice.com has existed since 1992 (or earlier), and naughty.com since 1996
(or earlier).

  --John

[Not to mention at.com since 1993 and atdot.com since 1998.]


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[Mailman-Users] LDAP, Qmail, and Mailman...

2006-02-22 Thread Josh Gibbs
Greetings,

I am embarking on my first install of Mailman, and after reviewing the
Installation Manual I am wondering if it will work with my particular
setup:

Fedora Core R4, using OpenLDAP 2.2.23, and Qmail.

I did not set this machine up, and I am uncertain what complications
LDAP is going to create.  Any words of advice would be much
appreciated!  Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] Unable to Un-Moderate List

2006-02-22 Thread mcnutt
One of my discussion list administrators is suddenly having to approve each
post as it comes through her list.  I am unable to discover why.  Can anyone
offer me any insight?

Bill McNutt
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[Mailman-Users] List Suddenly Moderated

2006-02-22 Thread mcnutt
One of my list owners is complaining that her list is suddenly requiring her
to approve all postings to the list.  I can't find any place where it says
the list is moderated.  Can anyone suggest where I ought to be looking?

Bill McNutt
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[Mailman-Users] emailaddr variable in newlist.txt file

2006-02-22 Thread Christopher Adams
I have been tinkering with this problem for a long time. At one time, I 
got some assistance from Mark Sapiro, but I was not able to resolve the 
problem.

The newlist.txt file has the variable %(emailaddr)s. When a new list is 
created, the message that is sent to the list owner includes the literal 
text %(emailaddr)s, rather than the actual list address.

I would have thought that this would work by default after installation, 
but it does not.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Suddenly Moderated

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
mcnutt wrote:

One of my list owners is complaining that her list is suddenly requiring her
to approve all postings to the list.  I can't find any place where it says
the list is moderated.  Can anyone suggest where I ought to be looking?


There is Emergency moderation of all list traffic. Yes/No on the
General Options page, but this is probably not it because owners don't
get individual notifications fo messages held for emergency.

You need to look at Mailman's vette log or at the held message in the
admindb interface or at the list owner notification and see what the
reason is for the message being held.

If the reason is post to moderated list the post is from a member
whose 'moderate' flag ('mod' on the admin Membership List page) is
set. If everyone is suddenly moderated, probably the list owner
inadvertently Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members
not currently visible On (Additional tasks on the Membership list
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Re: [Mailman-Users] emailaddr variable in newlist.txt file

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Christopher Adams wrote:

I have been tinkering with this problem for a long time. At one time, I 
got some assistance from Mark Sapiro, but I was not able to resolve the 
problem.


I would have thought we'd got this all resolved in the thread that
begins at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/042107.html,
but I guess not.


The newlist.txt file has the variable %(emailaddr)s. When a new list is 
created, the message that is sent to the list owner includes the literal 
text %(emailaddr)s, rather than the actual list address.


This is because the only names of this type that are replaced in this
template are the ones in the default template. Namely,

listname
password
admin_url
listinfo_url
requestaddr and
siteowner

I would have thought that this would work by default after installation, 
but it does not.

If you want %(emailaddr)s in the template to be replaced by the list
posting address, you need to modify Mailman/Cgi/Create.py as follows:

Find this in the module

# And send the notice to the list owner.
if notify:
siteowner = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name, 'owner')
text = Utils.maketext(
'newlist.txt',
{'listname': listname,
 'password': password,
 'admin_url'   : mlist.GetScriptURL('admin', absolute=1),
 'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
 'requestaddr' : mlist.GetRequestEmail(),
 'siteowner'   : siteowner,
 }, mlist=mlist)

and add one line to it so it becomes

# And send the notice to the list owner.
if notify:
siteowner = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name, 'owner')
text = Utils.maketext(
'newlist.txt',
{'listname': listname,
 'password': password,
 'admin_url'   : mlist.GetScriptURL('admin', absolute=1),
 'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
 'requestaddr' : mlist.GetRequestEmail(),
 'emailaddr'   : mlist.GetListEmail(),
 'siteowner'   : siteowner,
 }, mlist=mlist)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
 Mark == Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Mark The logical place to do all this is
Mark Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py.

I don't understand this recommendation.  Why not use a separate
Handler in either the global pipeline (if it's an organizational
installation) or the list-specific pipeline?

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[Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-22 Thread David Andrews
I run about 80 lists via Mailman.  My ISP uses a spam filtering program called 
PostIni.  All mail goes through it, even though individual users may turn it 
off -- which I have.

Apparently, things can happen that cause PostIni to block mail to a user, it 
seems to happen at times of heavy spam, but the ISP doesn't seem to know much 
more, and they say the Postini folks won't talk about it, they consider it to 
be proprietary info.

Anyway, this is a long way to say that even though I am Administrator, I 
occasionally get disabled on one or more lists.  With so many lists I 
occasionally miss the message that Mailman sends.  Then I am off the list, and 
don't know it.

Is there any way to protect a list subscription, despite bounces?  

David Andrews

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying message sender

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

 Mark == Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Mark The logical place to do all this is
Mark Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py.

I don't understand this recommendation.  Why not use a separate
Handler in either the global pipeline (if it's an organizational
installation) or the list-specific pipeline?

Actually, you are correct Stephen. I was thinking in terms of existing
handlers, but a separate handler that could be inserted in the global
pipeline in mm_cfg.py or in a list specific pipeline is a much better
idea since it would persist across updates.

Thanks for the correction.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Andrews wrote:

Apparently, things can happen that cause PostIni to block mail to a user, it 
seems to happen at times of heavy spam, but the ISP doesn't seem to know much 
more, and they say the Postini folks won't talk about it, they consider it to 
be proprietary info.

Anyway, this is a long way to say that even though I am Administrator, I 
occasionally get disabled on one or more lists.  With so many lists I 
occasionally miss the message that Mailman sends.  Then I am off the list, and 
don't know it.

Is there any way to protect a list subscription, despite bounces?  

Not short of turning off bounce processing.

But, if you're sure Postini is the problem, you can bypass it for your
list mail. For example, the MX records for value.net go to various
psmtp.com (Postini) servers, but Postini has to deliver somewhere
which in my case is mail.value.net, so any mail addressed to me at
mail.value.net bypasses Postini completely.

If you look at the Received: headers in your incoming mail, the one at
the top (last one added) will give the name of the server that your
mail was finally delivered to. Just use that host name in your email
address to completely bypass Postini.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Bogen
If you're using sendmail, I have a solution that I implemented that
seems to work quite well:

Put together a script (e.g., an init script in /etc/init.d, on Debian)
that will run the following on startup:

sendmail OPTIONS=-bd -ODeliveryMode=defer
-ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=3276,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1

Also, you'll need to adjust your mailman config so that it delivers to
the new port (3276, above). In mm_cfg.py, add:

SMTPPORT = 3276

(If my or your mail client chopped that up, it should be all on one line)

This basically starts a sendmail daemon that listens only to
localhost, and bypasses all filters and stuff to stick whatever it
receives directly in the outgoing queue. If the mail to the admin is
being delivered locally, this means it won't be scanned by
spamassassin at any time.

This also significantly decreased the time it took for a message to
get out to a list, versus having mailman SMTP to the normal sendmail.
Which is understandable, since it means that 90 messages weren't
getting scanned by clamav and spamassassin anymore. :)

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/22/06, Oliver Schulze L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Mark,
 ok, I will try to find a solution in my spam filter.
 Will not scan if the email is relayed by mailman.

 But still will have problem if the owner's mail server have a spam solution.
 Maybe my mailman email server can get black listed for sending spam :(

 I think its a nice feature request to ask, do not send body of the
 deffered email ;)

 Thanks
 Oliver

 Mark Sapiro wrote:
  Oliver Schulze L. wrote:
 
  My question is:
  how can I configure mailman to not sent the body of the email in the
  notification
  to the owner of the list?
 
 
 
  You can turn off admin_immed_notify so the admin/moderator only gets a
  daily summary of held posts. There's no other option for it.
 
  If the daily summary is not sufficient, you could increase the
  frequency of the cron/checkdbs job in mailman's crontab.
 
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] email problems

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Bogen
Sorry, not quite clear on some points here.

Are you talking about receiving mail from the outside? (I.e., from
other SMTP servers on the internet)

If so, bbs.memphistw.org is accessible from the outside? (SMTP, once again)

Lastly, does the MX for the domain memphistw.org point at
bbs.memphistw.org? (This is a DNS issue, if you aren't already aware.
The MX record tells mail servers where mail for some random
[sub]domain needs to go. E.g., the MX for physics.tamu.edu is
mail.physics.tamu.edu)

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On 2/22/06, patrick siglin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ok I have my exchange server and another email server on the inside 
 bbs.memphistw.org I can recieve mail on the bbs.memphistw.org but can not 
 seem to get mail on memphistw.org. Mail posts fine and every other user 
 gets the email including the bbs.memphistw.org server. I do get emails from 
 mailman about join requests and the welcome message but that is all. Any 
 ideas? No spam blocker on the server so that shouldn't be it.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to execute a script when incoming mailarrives

2006-02-22 Thread kannan . ekanath

Did you run postalias or newaliases or whatever the appropriate command
is for your MTA to update the aliases.db file?


Thanks Mark. I think i had written the restart sendmail in a script
and that had not got executed. Restarting sendmail works fine.

Thanks a lot guys :)


On 2/22/06, Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also, in some configurations (e.g., sendmail with smrsh) you may need
 to tweak your security options to make sure that somescript.sh is
 allowed to be executed in this way.
 This page talks about setting up smrsh. You can probably ignore the
 bit about reconfiguring sendmail, since we're assuming it's already
 set up that way: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap22sec182.html

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  I added the following line /etc/aliases file,
  forumtest-dummymember: |/home/kannan/scripts/somescript.sh
  
  But the thing is it doesnt seem to call the script. Any idea why? If
  the script got executed it creates a dummy file in the directory. (In
  this case the file wasnt created).
 
 
  Did you run postalias or newaliases or whatever the appropriate command
  is for your MTA to update the aliases.db file?
 
  What happens to the mail sent to forumtest-dummymember?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman stripping the reply to quotes

2006-02-22 Thread kannan . ekanath
Hi,
I am using mailman

I notice that when a mail comes to a user who is a part of a list and
he replies almost all mail clients do a bottom quote / top quote.
Although this is fine, from the mail client perspective, i would like
Mailman to strip this bottom/top quote when sending emails.

This is because am causing mailman emails to put in a common forum and
hence when the bottom quote appears again and again it becomes very
repetitive.

Is there an option in mailman where we can stript just the bottom /
top quotes? (although mail clients use top and bottom quotes).

I am fine with the loss of previous thread information


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