Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-23 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:39 PM -0600 2006-02-22, Patrick Bogen wrote:

  This basically starts a sendmail daemon that listens only to
  localhost, and bypasses all filters and stuff to stick whatever it
  receives directly in the outgoing queue. If the mail to the admin is
  being delivered locally, this means it won't be scanned by
  spamassassin at any time.

This is precisely the same sort of thing that we recommend for 
people who are running postfix, and is discussed in the FAQ.  If this 
isn't mentioned in the FAQ for people using sendmail, then what we 
should probably do is add this as part of a separate generic MTA 
performance enhancement page and then point all the MTA-specific 
pages to that one, as well as adding their own particular details.

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[Mailman-Users] What is Details for acceptable_aliases?

2006-02-23 Thread Kabilan L
Hai!!!
what is the use of the 
   Privacy options...
 Recipient filters

Details for acceptable_aliases

What should be added to in the text box of acceptable_aliases.

Thanking You ALL

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is Details for acceptable_aliases?

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kabilan L wrote:

what is the use of the 
   Privacy options...
 Recipient filters

Details for acceptable_aliases

What should be added to in the text box of acceptable_aliases.

It's pretty much described on that page and the details pages if you
follow the links, but here's a summary.

If require_explicit_destination is Yes, a post will be held if the list
posting address is not in the To: or Cc: headers of the post.
acceptable_aliases is a list of additional addresses (or regexps that
match addresses) that are acceptable in To: or Cc: as alternatives to
the list posting address.

This is primarily intended for sub-lists of umbrella lists. I.e., if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member of [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
require_explicit_destination is Yes for list2, a post to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] will be held by [EMAIL PROTECTED] for 'implicit
destination' unless [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an acceptable aliase for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stripping the reply to quotes

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there an option in mailman where we can stript just the bottom /
top quotes? (although mail clients use top and bottom quotes).


Not exactly. The option is to moderate the offending users and to
return their posts to them until they learn how to properly quote in
replies.

You could refer them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting or
any of several other articles on the web for backup.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Suddenly Moderated

2006-02-23 Thread mcnutt
Okay, stupid question:  where is the list normally set to be moderated?

Bill McNutt
IT Administrator, UT Center for Literacy Studies
http://cls.coe.utk.edu


-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List Suddenly Moderated

mcnutt wrote:

One of my list owners is complaining that her list is suddenly requiring
her
to approve all postings to the list.  I can't find any place where it says
the list is moderated.  Can anyone suggest where I ought to be looking?


There is Emergency moderation of all list traffic. Yes/No on the
General Options page, but this is probably not it because owners don't
get individual notifications fo messages held for emergency.

You need to look at Mailman's vette log or at the held message in the
admindb interface or at the list owner notification and see what the
reason is for the message being held.

If the reason is post to moderated list the post is from a member
whose 'moderate' flag ('mod' on the admin Membership List page) is
set. If everyone is suddenly moderated, probably the list owner
inadvertently Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members
not currently visible On (Additional tasks on the Membership list
page).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] email problems

2006-02-23 Thread Patrick Bogen
I'm still not quite clear on the exact nature of the problem. Can you
provide a specific example?

You say that you receive subscription notices, but do not get posts?
What machine is this on?

- Patrick Bogen

p.s., please include the mailman-users list in your replies. If your
client has a 'reply to all' function, that should take care of it.

On 2/23/06, patrick siglin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry. I all that. Bbs.memphistw.org and list.memphistw.org both sit on
 the inside isolated from the inet. Mail.memphistw.org is the front end
 that talks to the internet. I receive subscription notices just fine
 from the list server. I do not get posts for some reason. I tested my
 hotmail and yahoo account and I can send and receive from the list all
 day.  Here is a picture.

 Inet

   exchange
   / \
 Mailman bbs
 -Original Message-
 From: Patrick Bogen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:42 PM
 To: patrick siglin
 Cc: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email problems

 Sorry, not quite clear on some points here.

 Are you talking about receiving mail from the outside? (I.e., from
 other SMTP servers on the internet)

 If so, bbs.memphistw.org is accessible from the outside? (SMTP, once
 again)

 Lastly, does the MX for the domain memphistw.org point at
 bbs.memphistw.org? (This is a DNS issue, if you aren't already aware.
 The MX record tells mail servers where mail for some random
 [sub]domain needs to go. E.g., the MX for physics.tamu.edu is
 mail.physics.tamu.edu)

 - Patrick Bogen

 On 2/22/06, patrick siglin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ok I have my exchange server and another email server on the inside
 bbs.memphistw.org I can recieve mail on the bbs.memphistw.org but can
 not seem to get mail on memphistw.org. Mail posts fine and every other
 user gets the email including the bbs.memphistw.org server. I do get
 emails from mailman about join requests and the welcome message but that
 is all. Any ideas? No spam blocker on the server so that shouldn't be
 it.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam check and bounced email's body

2006-02-23 Thread Patrick Bogen
It probably is in the FAQ. I promise I didn't come up with this; I got
it from somewhere else. :)

On 2/23/06, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 11:39 PM -0600 2006-02-22, Patrick Bogen wrote:

   This basically starts a sendmail daemon that listens only to
   localhost, and bypasses all filters and stuff to stick whatever it
   receives directly in the outgoing queue. If the mail to the admin is
   being delivered locally, this means it won't be scanned by
   spamassassin at any time.

 This is precisely the same sort of thing that we recommend for
 people who are running postfix, and is discussed in the FAQ.  If this
 isn't mentioned in the FAQ for people using sendmail, then what we
 should probably do is add this as part of a separate generic MTA
 performance enhancement page and then point all the MTA-specific
 pages to that one, as well as adding their own particular details.

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[Mailman-Users] installation problems - newlist-issues

2006-02-23 Thread Henrik
Hello,


I'm trying to install mailman on a server running Mandriva 10.1

I typed urpmi mandrake and changed
/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to the desired subdomain to run
Mailman's webinterface and the desire subdomain for email.


Then, I am doing the newlist-command by using the following syntax:
./newlist  --language en mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mypassword

Doing so gives me the following error-message at the command-line:

-
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./newlist, line 219, in ?
main()
  File ./newlist, line 160, in main
mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 457, in Create
self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 381, in InitVars
if Utils.GetCharSet(self.preferred_language) == 'us-ascii':
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 623, in GetCharSet
return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][1]
KeyError: 'en_US'
-

I've had this trouble every time I want to install Mailman, and it
doesn't seem to bend.


Can anyone help, please?


TIA



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Protecting Administrators

2006-02-23 Thread John W. Baxter
On 2/22/06 9:23 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at the Received: headers in your incoming mail, the one at
 the top (last one added) will give the name of the server that your
 mail was finally delivered to. Just use that host name in your email
 address to completely bypass Postini.

Maybe.  But not if the ISP has configured that MTA to reject port 25
connections from any sending machines except Postini's .

So the method needs to be tested from an outside address (Gmail accounts are
handy for this sort of thing, in addition to being handy generally).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List Suddenly Moderated

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
mcnutt wrote:

Okay, stupid question:  where is the list normally set to be moderated?

I tried to answer this in my original reply. There are two kinds of
moderation settings. The first is emergency moderation of all list
traffic, and it is set on or off on the General Options page near the
bottom - the first item under additional settings.

Other than that, there is no list moderation setting even though the
hold reason is post to moderated list. It is the poster that is
moderated, not the list. The member's moderation flag is the checkbox
in the 'mod' column of the Membership List page.

All member's 'mod' flags can be turned on or off at once by selecting
Off or On as desired for Set everyone's moderation bit, including
those members not currently visible under Additional Member Tasks at
the bottom of any Membershp List page and clicking Set.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Redirect all -bounce emails

2006-02-23 Thread Tom Kavanaugh
Hi Mark,

Thanks for your response and suggestions.

I modified the Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py per you suggestions.
The unix_sysadmin-bounce emails now get redirected to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That is the good part.

But what is happening now is that the mailman server keeps spitting out
these emails to the mailman mail list. Every few minutes I am bomarded with
these emails from the mailman mail list. The relevant contents are:


Reporting-MTA: dns; utc80.name.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost
Arrival-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:13:39 -0800 (PST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.name.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]... User
unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:13:39 -0800 (PST)



Seems that the mailman server (utc80) is re-trying to send to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], although it knows that this is an unknown
user.

Could you tell me how to go about fixing this?

Thanks
Tom


On 2/12/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tom Kavanaugh wrote:
 
 If you're thinking that you can get around the issue by having all
 bounces
 from any list be
 returned to the 'mailman' list posting address, you could do this in the
 source code, but not by using aliases on mine.name.com.
 
 Yes, this is precisely what I want to accomplish. Could you point me to
 some
 place, or the portion of the code that needs to be tinkered with. I am
 not a
 perl/python person, so this is going to be a huge learning curve for me.


 There are two obvious ways that jump to mind.

 The first, which will address the bounce issue for all mail, is the
 following code at the beginning of the process() function in
 Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py

 # Calculate the non-VERP envelope sender.
 envsender = msgdata.get('envsender')
 if envsender is None:
 if mlist:
 envsender = mlist.GetBouncesEmail()
 else:
 envsender = Utils.get_site_email(extra='bounces')

 which could simply be replaced by something like

 # Envelope sender (bounces) is always the site list.
 envsender = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

 Don't worry about VERP because it is calculated from envsender.

 Another way to do it would be to modify the getListAddress() method
 definition in Mailman/MailList.py to just return '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 when extra is not None and similarly modify get_site_email() in
 Mailman/Utils.py to ignore the extra argument.

 Then it might be possible to do it in your outgoing MTA, not with
 aliases, but with some kind of rewrite of the envelope sender on
 outgoing mail if your MTA supports such a thing.

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[Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman with Spamassassin

2006-02-23 Thread Jon D. Slater
I've been using Mailman for some time, and just recently installed
SpamAssassin on my Fedora Core 4, Linux machine.

 

Where can I find instructions to integrate the two (so, that SpamAssassin
analyzes the e-mail before sending a request to the moderator for approval)?

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating Mailman with Spamassassin

2006-02-23 Thread Ron Brogden
On Thursday 23 February 2006 16:36, Jon D. Slater wrote:
 I've been using Mailman for some time, and just recently installed
 SpamAssassin on my Fedora Core 4, Linux machine.

Spam-assassin would normally be used with the MTA (i.e. exim, qmail, etc.) and 
not Mailman.  Basically, you should be using it to stop spam from getting to 
Mailman alltogther and not after the message has already been accepted by 
your SMTP daemon.

So this is likely not the place to be asking that question, try looking 
through the Spam-Assassin site for intergration how-tos for your SMTP daemon.

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[Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

2006-02-23 Thread Steven Jones
What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

2006-02-23 Thread Steven Jones
n/m found it while looking for something else.

FAQ 3.11

Regards

Steven

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steven Jones
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To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

Regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

2006-02-23 Thread Carl Zwanzig
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Steven Jones wrote:
 What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
 people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
 themselves to the list?

Search the FAQ for announcement or one-way lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problems - newlist-issues

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Henrik wrote:

Then, I am doing the newlist-command by using the following syntax:
./newlist  --language en mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mypassword

Doing so gives me the following error-message at the command-line:

-
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./newlist, line 219, in ?
main()
  File ./newlist, line 160, in main
mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 457, in Create
self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 381, in InitVars
if Utils.GetCharSet(self.preferred_language) == 'us-ascii':
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 623, in GetCharSet
return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][1]
KeyError: 'en_US'
-

I've had this trouble every time I want to install Mailman, and it
doesn't seem to bend.


Do you have

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en-US'

in mm_cfg.py? It seems that that is the problem. Mailman has no
language 'en-US'. Since the default setting in Defaults.py is

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

you can just remove

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en-US'

from mm_cfg.py, or if you want it for documentation, change it to

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

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[Mailman-Users] Fwd: installation problems - newlist-issues

2006-02-23 Thread Henrik
*resend*

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From: Henrik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Feb 24, 2006 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problems - newlist-issues
To: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello Mark,



 Do you have

 DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en-US'

 in mm_cfg.py? It seems that that is the problem. Mailman has no
 language 'en-US'. Since the default setting in Defaults.py is

 DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

 you can just remove

 DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en-US'

 from mm_cfg.py, or if you want it for documentation, change it to

 DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

No, I didn't have that setting, however I added mailman the good old
fashion way.

However, now I can't get it to interact with apache. I'm pretty sure
that it's rolling otherwise.


Thanks.



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[Mailman-Users] Mailman attempts to inline attachments of MIME type text/plain

2006-02-23 Thread Jeff DeReus
Is there a way to allow attachments of text/plain without them being added
inline in the message post? Would it be possible to have the mailman archive
split out the attachment and, for each message, provide a separate link to
download the attachment as a separate file?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problems - newlist-issues

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Henrik wrote:

 Do you have

 DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en-US'

 in mm_cfg.py?

No, I didn't have that setting,


Then maybe someone put it in Defaults.py. Let's hope Mandrake is not
distributing its package this way.


however I added mailman the good old
fashion way.


Which is?

I don't know how you can create a list any way except by copying som
other list's config.pck if you have an invalid value for
DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE. If nothing else, maybe you need to put

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en'

in mm_cfg.py.


However, now I can't get it to interact with apache. I'm pretty sure
that it's rolling otherwise.


See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman attempts to inline attachments of MIME type text/plain

2006-02-23 Thread jeffd17

Is there a way to allow attachments of text/plain without them being added
inline in the message post?  
Would it be possible to have the mailman archive split out the attachment
and, for each message, provide a separate link to download the attachment as
a separate file?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman attempts to inline attachments of MIME typetext/plain

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeff DeReus wrote:

Is there a way to allow attachments of text/plain without them being added
inline in the message post?


On Non-Digest options, set scrub_nondigest to No. In addition, for
digests, the member needs to receive MIME digests rather than plain.


Would it be possible to have the mailman archive
split out the attachment and, for each message, provide a separate link to
download the attachment as a separate file?


If the attachment doesn't specify a charset in the Content-Type:
header, it will be scrubbed rather than 'flattened', which is what you
want. Getting your MUA to 'attach' it that way may be a problem
though. I don't think there's a configuration setting to do it in all
cases.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Redirect all -bounce emails

2006-02-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tom Kavanaugh wrote:

I modified the Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py per you suggestions.
The unix_sysadmin-bounce emails now get redirected to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That is the good part.

But what is happening now is that the mailman server keeps spitting out
these emails to the mailman mail list. Every few minutes I am bomarded with
these emails from the mailman mail list. The relevant contents are:


You asked how to redirect bounces to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address (the
posting address for the site list) and that's what's happening.


Reporting-MTA: dns; utc80.name.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost
Arrival-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:13:39 -0800 (PST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mailhost.name.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]... User
=09unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:13:39 -0800 (PST)



Seems that the mailman server (utc80) is re-trying to send to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], although it knows that this is an unknown
user.


Mailman doesn't know anything about what addresses are or are not
deliverable, and since you have effectively disabled automatic bounce
processing, it can never find out.

My best guess here is that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member
of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. If that's not it, I don't know what is.
Does that notice contain a copy of the original message? if so, what
is it? Or does it keep growing as the same bounce keeps rebouncing?

This is an interesting issue. Every message from the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list had better be deliverable or you will get a bounce loop.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?

2006-02-23 Thread Sally K Scheer
I'm not quite sure what you've just written here. What is AOL blocking?

Sally Scheer

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 Has anyone talked about the changes planned by AOL, Yahoo! etc. to
 require certification via Goodmail or just be blocked?
 
 It's been beaten to death -- at this point I can't recall if here or on
 other lists.  Essentially it means nothing. AOL backpedaled the next day
 saying it wasn't a press release, they aren't requiring anything, blah 
 blah
 blah.


 Having looked over the earlier articles I could find in the archive, and 
 given
 how sensitive mailing list operation is to various mail authentication
 techniques -- e.g., SPF really does break it -- and given that AOL did not 
 quite
 say that they are not requiring anything, I thought it worth reciting the
 current policy, as both yahoo and aol are stating quite explicitly:

 Their use of Goodmail is for transaction messages, like purchase 
 confirmations
 and is only an adjunct to both service providers' existing mechanisms. 
 For
 example, AOL with be continuing both of its existing white-list services.

 From what I can tell, the Goodmail technology does not work through a 
 mailing
 list.  From what I can tell, limited its application to transaction mail 
 will
 keep this from being a problem.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman won't send messages?

2006-02-23 Thread Dennis Carr
I've noticed that, on a new install of Mailman, list traffic is not
being sent out - it seems that everything is just routing to nowhere in
particular.  What do I need to show in order to figure out what the
problem is?

Running Debian Sarge, installed through apt-get; MTA is postfix.

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