[Mailman-Users] Restricting Members Posts

2006-02-26 Thread Ashif Zubair
Hi, 
I am using Mailman Ver: 2.1.6 

I want to make my Mailing list a newsletter subscription type service.. 
where the Subscriber can not post..

On the documentation its written that in the privacy options page, i 
can find the option of disabling of posting of subscribers except 
Moderators and Administrator...

But i am unable to find that setting in the privacy option of Mailman..
so i want to inquire that where is that option.. i am unable to find it 
in any page of Mailman (ver:2.1.6)

all i wnat is that the subscribers to my list can't post except 
administrator or moderators.

Thanks alot..
awaitng reply..

Thanking you in anticipation..

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't Delete Corrupt Subscriber Address

2006-02-26 Thread Allan Hansen
How about:

bin/list_members -f list|grep -v -e [EMAIL PROTECTED]  list
bin/sync_members -f list list

Allan



Tim wrote:

We have a subscriber address that has /t on the end of it ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]/t) which can only be seen when dumping the lists config file.  The 
subscriber address looks normal [EMAIL PROTECTED]) when looking for it using 
any other method (list members, etc).


Do you mean '\t', i.e. a tab character? Is the difference between '\t'
and '/t' a typo here or does it have something to do with your lack of
success?

If you try the '-f' option with list_members, you might actually see
the tab between 'xxx.com' and the terminating ''.


I've tried to use reg exps using remove member with no luck


Do you mean bin/remove_members? It doesn't accept regexps, only literal
addresses, and it won't accept a '\t' escape - you'd need to give it
an actual tab character.

You could try

bin/remove_members listname '[EMAIL PROTECTED]tab'

where tab represents an actual tab character

and tried using the method described in the FAQ (3.13. How do I remove a user 
name or email address with an illegal character in it?) with no luck either.


Try bin/withlist -l listname

and then at the '' prompts type

adr = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'(this should be the actual address of course)
m.removeMember(adr)

If that throws an exception, try

del m.members[adr]


Then in any case type

m.Save()

in order to save the changed list, and finally type control-D to a
prompt to end the interactive session.

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[Mailman-Users] Resetting usenet watermark?

2006-02-26 Thread Steven Haigh
Hi all,

I've just copied my mailman configs from one system to another, and  
after reinstalling innd on a private news server, I'm now getting the  
following in the logs:

Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) rgsouthern: [0..0]
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) nothing new for list rgsouthern
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) rgsouthern watermark: 12
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) melbwireless: [0..0]
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) nothing new for list melbwireless
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) melbwireless watermark: 37

As the newsgroups were reset, the watermark is obviously incorrect.  
Is there a way to reset this watermark so that the system starts  
gating news correctly again?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restricting Members Posts

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ashif Zubair wrote:

On the documentation its written that in the privacy options page, i 
can find the option of disabling of posting of subscribers except 
Moderators and Administrator...


I don't know what documentation you're looking at, but perhaps you are
misinterpreting it. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
for a detailed discussion of setting up a newsletter, one-way or
announcement list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Resetting usenet watermark?

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steven Haigh wrote:
Feb 26 23:50:02 2006 (2757) melbwireless watermark: 37

As the newsgroups were reset, the watermark is obviously incorrect.  
Is there a way to reset this watermark so that the system starts  
gating news correctly again?

You can use bin/withlist to manipulate the list attribute
usenet_watermark. Set it to a number 1 less than the number of the
first article you want from the news server or to None if you just
want to 'catch up' without retrieving articles or to 0 if you want to
retrieve all articles on the news server.

For example

bin/withlist -l list_name

and at the  prompt

 m.usenet_watermark = 5

or

 m.usenet_watermark = None

and then

 m.Save()

and then a control-D to exit.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple mailing lists

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Nigel Ridley wrote:

I read the documentation:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html
and it looks pretty complicated (and I'm not sure if I could do all of 
what is required on my hosted website).


Usually, one does not have sufficient access to a hosted server to
install mailman.


I have a website with a Mailman list (using cpanel - which came with the 
hosting plan) and I would like to have multiple mailing lists.
Basically they would be announcement lists having the same content but 
in several different languages.

Q. What is the best way to set up such a system?


You could have a list per language and post to each list in it's own
language. Ideally, each list's preferred_language attribute would be
the language you post in, but this would not be an absolute
requirement.

Mailman has no facility for actually translating the content of a post
to another language. The language options control the language of
notices, web pages and canned messages only.


The problem using cpanel is that it defaults Mailman to English and my 
hosting company said it would be better to install Mailman in my own space:
quote
You would have to install a copy of mailman under your own space to take 
advantage of the language packs.  Any change we would make to the 
serverwide install would just be overwritten by cpanel when next it updated.
end quote

Either I don't understand your issue or cPanel is worse than I thought
or your host doesn't understand Mailman's language support.

To set up a list in French for example, go to the Mailman admin
interface Language Options page. Check French under available
languages and Submit Your Changes. Then set preferred_language to
French and Submit Your Changes again. If this isn't available on your
hosted installation, then maybe you can't do it. If you can, then
there is nothing that the host has to change to support this that
would be reversed in an update.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restricting Members Posts

2006-02-26 Thread Michael Rainey
I have just gone thru same process following FAQ 3.11 and found all works
except one very important, i.e how an ³approved² sender as in FAQ3.11  A
more secure alternative  work.

I am working with Mailman 2.14 w/CP where I can set mod flag off for self,
but with to leave mod flag on for all and use Approved: password which I
am somehow not  doing  or have not set correctly.

Any  help, thanks,

Michael Rainey


on 2/26/06 8:28 AM, Mark Sapiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ashif Zubair wrote:
 
 On the documentation its written that in the privacy options page, i
 can find the option of disabling of posting of subscribers except
 Moderators and Administrator...
 
 
 I don't know what documentation you're looking at, but perhaps you are
 misinterpreting it. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
 for a detailed discussion of setting up a newsletter, one-way or
 announcement list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple mailing lists

2006-02-26 Thread Nigel Ridley
Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Nigel Ridley wrote:
 
I read the documentation:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html
and it looks pretty complicated (and I'm not sure if I could do all of 
what is required on my hosted website).
 
 
 
 Usually, one does not have sufficient access to a hosted server to
 install mailman.
 
 
 
I have a website with a Mailman list (using cpanel - which came with the 
hosting plan) and I would like to have multiple mailing lists.
Basically they would be announcement lists having the same content but 
in several different languages.

Q. What is the best way to set up such a system?
 
 
 
 You could have a list per language and post to each list in it's own
 language. Ideally, each list's preferred_language attribute would be
 the language you post in, but this would not be an absolute
 requirement.
 
 Mailman has no facility for actually translating the content of a post
 to another language. The language options control the language of
 notices, web pages and canned messages only.

No I didn't expect Mailman to translate content for me -- I know it's 
good but...

 
 
 
The problem using cpanel is that it defaults Mailman to English and my 
hosting company said it would be better to install Mailman in my own space:
quote
You would have to install a copy of mailman under your own space to take 
advantage of the language packs.  Any change we would make to the 
serverwide install would just be overwritten by cpanel when next it updated.
end quote
 
 
 Either I don't understand your issue or cPanel is worse than I thought
 or your host doesn't understand Mailman's language support.

I think they don't understand -- see below:

 
 To set up a list in French for example, go to the Mailman admin
 interface Language Options page. Check French under available
 languages and Submit Your Changes. Then set preferred_language to
 French and Submit Your Changes again. If this isn't available on your
 hosted installation, then maybe you can't do it. If you can, then
 there is nothing that the host has to change to support this that
 would be reversed in an update.
 

Yes! I went to the Language Options page and yes I can change the 
default language :-)

So now I just have to figure out my next move -- I would really like 
about 10 or 12 mailing lists for the different languages -- is that 
possible if I can install Mailman in my 'own space'?

My web hosting company doesn't see a problem for me to install Mailman:
quote
Mailman is to be installed by a username anyway, as noted in the 
documentation.  There might be a few symlinks we have to set up for you, 
but other than that there's no trick to it.
end quote

Anyway, you have cheered me up no end :-)

Blessings,

Nigel

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't Delete Corrupt Subscriber Address

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tim wrote:

This should be in the FAQ.

At 07:43 AM 2/26/2006, Allan Hansen wrote:
How about:

bin/list_members -f list|grep -v -e [EMAIL PROTECTED]  list
bin/sync_members -f list list


The FAQ has been updated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual host in subscribe url

2006-02-26 Thread Robin Rowe
Mark,

Thank you! Excellent answer. You're right that it was formerly cpanel.

Just wondering, isn't it a bug that by default virtual hosts Mailman 
namespaces collide? Why should it be considered normal to require a 
patch to support virtual hosts properly? In the web pages you referred 
me to there's some griping that cpanel was slow to share the patch. Why 
no rush to adopt it?

Robin

Mark Sapiro wrote:
   The former URL looks like one that would come from a cPanel
 installation or perhaps one that uses other patches mentioned in
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.047.htp.
 
 Your 'new' URL is the correct one for a standard Mailman install. The
 only reason to consider anything else is a requirement to support
 lists with the same list name on different virtual hosts. Mailman as
 distributed doesn't do this. See the above FAQ article for more info.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't Delete Corrupt Subscriber Address

2006-02-26 Thread Allan Hansen
If you maintain people's names on the list, then the same procedure can be
used to remove someone based on some string in the name, in case you know
the name but not the address (I often get such requests):

bin/list_members -f list | grep -e string| wc
count check
bin/list_members -f list | grep -v -e string  list
bin/list_members -f list list

All this can, of course, be worked into a simple script that also does the 
count check
and that will return 'ambiguous', 'OK', 'not found' as appropriate.
Then you should be able to remove someone with just

delete_member list some_string_of_characters

As for adding to the FAQ, I'll respectfully bow out and leave it to more
experienced users to do if they deem the above an appropriate addition.

Yours,

Allan

At 9:42 -0500 2/26/06, Tim wrote:
Excellent!  Worked like a charm.  This should be in the FAQ.

Thanks much!

Tim


At 07:43 AM 2/26/2006, Allan Hansen wrote:
How about:

bin/list_members -f list|grep -v -e [EMAIL PROTECTED]  list
bin/sync_members -f list list

Allan



Tim wrote:

We have a subscriber address that has /t on the end of it ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]/t) which can only be seen when dumping the lists config file.  
The subscriber address looks normal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) when looking for it 
using any other method (list members, etc).



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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual host in subscribe url

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Robin Rowe wrote:

Just wondering, isn't it a bug that by default virtual hosts Mailman 
namespaces collide? Why should it be considered normal to require a 
patch to support virtual hosts properly? In the web pages you referred 
me to there's some griping that cpanel was slow to share the patch. Why 
no rush to adopt it?

It is not a 'bug' because Mailman was never designed to provide this
support. It is a design limitation. There are plans to redo this for
Mailman 3, so that Mailman 3 will provide virtual hosting support
without having to worry about list name collisions across hosts.

The patches that cPanel and others have done to work around this
restriction have not been accepted as appropriate for the distribution
because they are generally incomplete and a kind of kludge that
requires you to sometimes but not always know that your list's name is
really listname_hostname rather than just listname.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restricting Members Posts

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Rainey wrote:

I am working with Mailman 2.14 w/CP where I can set mod flag off for self,
but with to leave mod flag on for all and use Approved: password which I
am somehow not  doing  or have not set correctly.

Do you mean 2.1.4? If you mean 2.0.14, the only way to do this is with
an actual header. This is still the best way if your MUA allows you to
add custom headers to your message, you add the header

Approved: password

where 'password' is the actual list admin password.

If you are using 2.1.x, you can instead put this line in the message
body as the first non-blank line of the first text/plain part of the
message. It will be effective there and will be removed.

Prior to Mailman 2.1.7, this line should be followed by a blank line as
the following line was erroneously stripped along with the Approved
line.

Also, prior to 2.1.7 the post needed to be plain text as opposed to
multipart/alternative because the Approved line would not be removed
from other than the first text/plain part. Beginning in 2.1.7, an
attempt is made to remove the Approved line from any text/* parts in
which it is found, but it must still be the first non-blank line in
the first text/plain part, or it won't be recognized or removed.

I.e., this method won't work if you post HTML only.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple mailing lists

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Sapiro
Nigel Ridley wrote:

So now I just have to figure out my next move -- I would really like 
about 10 or 12 mailing lists for the different languages -- is that 
possible if I can install Mailman in my 'own space'?


There is no fixed limit to the number of lists a Mailman installation
can support. The practical limitations are the total file space
required, the number of directory entries before searching the
directory becomes an issue and the total amount of email traffic. A
dozen lists would not be an issue at all.


My web hosting company doesn't see a problem for me to install Mailman:
quote
Mailman is to be installed by a username anyway, as noted in the 
documentation.  There might be a few symlinks we have to set up for you, 
but other than that there's no trick to it.
end quote


I think there's a bit more to it than that when it comes to web server
and MTA integration, but why not just set up a dozen lists on the
hosted Mailman. I would think that if the host is willing to allow you
to set up your own Mailman, they would be willing to allow you a dozen
lists on the shared Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple mailing lists

2006-02-26 Thread Ed
they would be willing to allow you a dozen
lists on the shared Mailman.


I would agree, Mark.  BlueHost.com  allows me 100 Lists, if that helps!

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[Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense mails?

2006-02-26 Thread Kabilan L
Hai

I am getting  lot spam-mails.The following are the examples.
How can i stop these  things!!!

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:34:01 2006
Subject: Stocks That Rock
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:58:59 2006
Subject: S0FT C1alis, branded quality
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 23:41:36 2006
Subject: Photoshop software for 80 % 0ff at Diane's softgroup
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 01:58:17 2006
Subject: The Stock Profiler
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 03:00:06 2006
Subject: (no subject)
Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list 


Help me Please! Thank You all


Kabilan.L
Department of Electrical Engineering
IIT Madras
Chennai - 600 036
Tamil Nadu, INDIA


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense mails?

2006-02-26 Thread Jim Popovitch
Get some good spam prevention software.  Also make sure that your MTA is 
properly validating who is sending you email (check for thinks like 
reverse DNS lookups, RBL listings, SPF, DKIM, etc).

-Jim P.

Kabilan L wrote:
 Hai
 
 I am getting  lot spam-mails.The following are the examples.
 How can i stop these  things!!!
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:34:01 2006
 Subject: Stocks That Rock
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:58:59 2006
 Subject: S0FT C1alis, branded quality
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 23:41:36 2006
 Subject: Photoshop software for 80 % 0ff at Diane's softgroup
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 01:58:17 2006
 Subject: The Stock Profiler
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 03:00:06 2006
 Subject: (no subject)
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list 
 
 
 Help me Please! Thank You all
 
 
 Kabilan.L
 Department of Electrical Engineering
 IIT Madras
 Chennai - 600 036
 Tamil Nadu, INDIA
 
 
 The secret to winning football games is working more as a team, less as
 individuals. I play not my 11 best, but my best 11. -Knute Rockne
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] add_members

2006-02-26 Thread Allan Hansen
Problem:

list_members -f -o file list
generates a file of members in the following format:
name_of_subscriber email_of_subscriber

sync_members -f file list
takes a file of members in the above format.

add_members -r file list
crashes with a traceback when given a file in the above format.

The crash appears to happen in OldStyleMemberships.py
add_members appears to strip all whitespace from the file.

Do I have a mixed bag of incompatible scripts or is this the expected
behavior at this time. I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.5 

The above is not terribly critical, as I can combine
list_members and sync_members to do what I otherwise would do with
just add_members.

Thanks,

Allan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] add_members

2006-02-26 Thread Patrick Bogen
I don't know the answer, but you could always use a bit of perl glue
to convert the first format to something add_members will understand
more readily...

If I knew what the second part was, I'd offer a script to do so. As a
stopgap, you can get just a list of addresses by:

cat file | cut -d'' -f 2 | cut -d'' -f 1
(Append this with ' file' without quotes if you want to save it
back to some file)

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/26/06, Allan Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Problem:

 list_members -f -o file list
 generates a file of members in the following format:
 name_of_subscriber email_of_subscriber

 sync_members -f file list
 takes a file of members in the above format.

 add_members -r file list
 crashes with a traceback when given a file in the above format.

 The crash appears to happen in OldStyleMemberships.py
 add_members appears to strip all whitespace from the file.

 Do I have a mixed bag of incompatible scripts or is this the expected
 behavior at this time. I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.5

 The above is not terribly critical, as I can combine
 list_members and sync_members to do what I otherwise would do with
 just add_members.

 Thanks,

 Allan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense mails?

2006-02-26 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 2/26/06, Jim Popovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Get some good spam prevention software.  Also make sure that your MTA is
 properly validating who is sending you email (check for thinks like
 reverse DNS lookups, RBL listings, SPF, DKIM, etc).
Jim's presented you with what is basically the bottom line.

 Kabilan L wrote:
  Hai
 
  I am getting  lot spam-mails.The following are the examples.
  How can i stop these  things!!!
Also, it should be noted that your issue is not really a Mailman
issue, but rather a insert your MTA here issue.

- Patrick Bogen
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Re: [Mailman-Users] add_members

2006-02-26 Thread Allan Hansen
Thank you, Patrick, but I do need the subscriber names in the
lists. Cutting them out would not work. Using bin/list_members, Perl
and bin/sync_members lets me do what I need to do. I was just wondering
about the apparent inability of add_members to accept names.
The help for the command does not indicate a way to input names, and
the Python code itself appears to actively reject the notion.

Allan

At 23:18 -0600 2/26/06, Patrick Bogen wrote:
I don't know the answer, but you could always use a bit of perl glue
to convert the first format to something add_members will understand
more readily...

If I knew what the second part was, I'd offer a script to do so. As a
stopgap, you can get just a list of addresses by:

cat file | cut -d'' -f 2 | cut -d'' -f 1
(Append this with ' file' without quotes if you want to save it
back to some file)

- Patrick Bogen

On 2/26/06, Allan Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Problem:

 list_members -f -o file list
 generates a file of members in the following format:
 name_of_subscriber email_of_subscriber

 sync_members -f file list
 takes a file of members in the above format.

 add_members -r file list
 crashes with a traceback when given a file in the above format.

 The crash appears to happen in OldStyleMemberships.py
 add_members appears to strip all whitespace from the file.

 Do I have a mixed bag of incompatible scripts or is this the expected
 behavior at this time. I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.5

 The above is not terribly critical, as I can combine
 list_members and sync_members to do what I otherwise would do with
 just add_members.

 Thanks,

 Allan
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