Re: [Mailman-Users] would it be useful to modify this code.

[Mark Sapiro]

daniel trejo wrote:

>Im trying to modify Decorate.py so I can put a  html tag
>
>So far ive modified the handler Decorate.py so all messages are multipart (
>I know Its not recommended but Im quite desperate)


It's your loaded gun and your foot...


>I want to modify this part of Decorate.py so it doesnt convert the header to
>plain text ; I ve tried deleting the 'plain'  in the function MIMEText but
>nothing changes, somy question is if Im on the right track or  it doesnt
>have anything to do with this part?


I'm mildly surprised nothing changes, since deleting the 'plain'
argument results in a call with the sub-type argument equal to the
character set. You might actually want to look at the definition of
MIMEText() (e.g., at ) before
you start trying to alter its arguments.


># Now, play games with the outer message to make it contain three
># subparts: the header (if any), the wrapped message, and the footer (if
># any).
>payload = [inner]
>if header:
>mimehdr =MIMEText( header, lcset)


Assuming the rest of what you've done is OK, what you want here is

mimehdr =MIMEText( header, 'html', lcset)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how to clear archives?

[Mark Sapiro]

Tim H wrote:

>Just installed mailman.
>how do i clear out archives and start over?


 cat /dev/null > archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox
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Re: [Mailman-Users] shunting problem (unpack list of wrong size)

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Jim Savoy wrote:
>
>   The error message we get is:
>
>==
>
>  Mar 23 12:37:33 2006 (19290) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of 
>wrong size
>   .
>   .
>   .
> File "/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 337, in decode_params
> charset, language, value = decode_rfc2231(EMPTYSTRING.join(value))
>   File "/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 284, in 
>decode_rfc2231
> charset, language, s = parts
> ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
>

It appears that the message has a malformed rfc-2231
 encoded header or some header
with exactly one single quote "'" character that's being misidentified
as an RFC-2231 encoded header.

Beyond that, it would help to see the rest of the traceback to see how
we got here.

Also, can you do either bin/dumpdb or bin/show_qfiles on the shunt
queue entry and perhaps see what the problem with the message is?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] user mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas Mladek wrote:

>I want to be able to hold several lists with the same listname in differnt
>domans. Therefor I have to install mailman serveral times on the same
>machine. Could someone tell me if it might cause some problems if they are
>all owned by one user mailman.


It should be fine.


>(for example collisions with all those
>wrapper programms) 


The mail/mailman and cgi-bin/* wrappers need to be individually
compiled (by configure/make install) and be in their own directories
unique to each Mailman installation, but the files can all be in the
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hostname confusion

[Mark Sapiro]

MacShane, Tracy  wrote:

>I have a new Postfix 2.2 server and am trying to integrate Mailman 2.1
>with it. The Mailman package is that provided by RedHat, and I followed
>their config instructions during installation. I'm also using the
>postfix-to-mailman.py (2.1) script to make use of virtual domains.


I don't see where postfix-to-mailman.py is going to help you. I think
it's making things harder.


>I'm
>pretty much a n00b when it comes to *nix admin, although my Postfix
>server appears to be working happily.
>
>Now we come to the issue. My mail server's FQDN is server.domain.gov.au.
>I want to deliver mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>lists.altdomain.com does not exist as a DNS alias. I modified all the
>main.cf, transport and master.cf files for Postfix as specified in the
>script (eg. the transport file contains the line "lists.altdomain.com
>mailman:", and so on). When I try to send mail to my test mailman
>mailing list, the mail gets routed out to the MX server that is
>currently primary for the altdomain.com domain (and rejected there,
>since "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" doesn't exist on that server).


Yep. You either need to route mail to lists.altdomain.com that hits the
primary MX server to the lists.altdomain.com box, or you need a
separate MX record to do this. Also, if you are going to use
postfix-to-mailman.py, it has to be on the Mailman box, not the MX box.


>I think the issue is with the mm_cfg.py configuration. At present, I
>have the standard settings:
>
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn


These domains should be the ones that are used to access the Mailman
web interface and to send mail to mailman from the outside, as they
are the ones that mailman will use for this purpose in generated URLs
and email addresses.

I.e., if an outside user posts to [EMAIL PROTECTED], aet
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'example.com'
and if an outside user goes to a list's listinfo page at
http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo/list, set
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.example.com'

Of course, these relate to host names, DNS entries, etc., but if the
servers, MTAs, DNS, etc are all set up properly, DEFAULT_URL_HOST and
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST can be anything and the only things affected will
be advertised and linked URLs and email addresses and perhaps what
lists appear on listinfo and admin overview pages.

In other words, getting them wrong doesn't have any effect on whether
or not mail gets to Mailman.


>Do I need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to server.altdomain.com (not
>server.domain.gov.au), and have a corresponding alias entry in DNS?

Either that or you have to arrange in some other way for mail to the
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST domain to get to server.altdomain.com
>We
>absolutely cannot "move" the server to the other domain. Can I "cheat"
>and put an entry in the local hosts file instead? This server is
>currently in place for testing purposes only.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] about autosubscribing

[Mark Sapiro]

johanna lovett wrote:

>I hope I've found the right place to ask this question --- my website offers
>Mailman lists and I'm trying to figure out how to allow members to
>autosubscribe via my site (so that I don't have to manually add them). Would
>code below do it?

It looks OK. It's in the FAQ - article 4.33

>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

[Mark Sapiro]

Jana Nguyen wrote:

>Hmm, I'm using postfix not sendmail.  In the Build and install mailman 
>documentation it does not say that mailman wrapper needs
>to be integrated with postfix.  But in the FAQ it is not clear if I need 
>to use mailman wrapper with smrsh, I thought it is only with sendmail?

Your concern with smrsh is misguided. I have just tried to clarify the
FAQ a bit, but if you are not using smrsh (Sendmail Restricted SHell -
only applies to sendmail), that is a good thing, not a bad thing as
far as Sendmail/Mailman integration is concerned.

I am not clear from your earlier posts if any mail at all gets to
Mailman. You say people can subscribe, and you get notices. Can people
subscribe by email or only by the web.

When you try to post, do you get an undeliverable notice from Postfix?
What's in the Postfix log.

Is there anything piling up in qfiles/in? Are mailmanctl and all eight
qrunners running (step 1 in FAQ 3.14)? Clearly some runners are
running because you get a subscription confirmation.

You never said clearly that the address you were posting from was
actually subscribed to the list.

I also never asked if anyone could successfully post. Can anyone post?
I.e., is this a working list except for you?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

[Patrick Bogen]

sorry
On 3/23/06, Jana Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm, I'm using postfix not sendmail.  In the Build and install mailman
Sorry, I assumed that since you were asking about smrsh you knew you
needed it. I do not know whether or not Postfix uses smrsh; I would
assume it doesn't, and you may thus disregard what I said earlier.

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[Mailman-Users] Hostname confusion

[MacShane, Tracy]

I have a new Postfix 2.2 server and am trying to integrate Mailman 2.1
with it. The Mailman package is that provided by RedHat, and I followed
their config instructions during installation. I'm also using the
postfix-to-mailman.py (2.1) script to make use of virtual domains. I'm
pretty much a n00b when it comes to *nix admin, although my Postfix
server appears to be working happily.

Now we come to the issue. My mail server's FQDN is server.domain.gov.au.
I want to deliver mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lists.altdomain.com does not exist as a DNS alias. I modified all the
main.cf, transport and master.cf files for Postfix as specified in the
script (eg. the transport file contains the line "lists.altdomain.com
mailman:", and so on). When I try to send mail to my test mailman
mailing list, the mail gets routed out to the MX server that is
currently primary for the altdomain.com domain (and rejected there,
since "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" doesn't exist on that server).

I think the issue is with the mm_cfg.py configuration. At present, I
have the standard settings:

DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = fqdn
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn

Do I need to change DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to server.altdomain.com (not
server.domain.gov.au), and have a corresponding alias entry in DNS? We
absolutely cannot "move" the server to the other domain. Can I "cheat"
and put an entry in the local hosts file instead? This server is
currently in place for testing purposes only.

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[Mailman-Users] would it be useful to modify this code.

[daniel trejo]

Im trying to modify Decorate.py so I can put a  html tag

So far ive modified the handler Decorate.py so all messages are multipart (
I know Its not recommended but Im quite desperate)

I want to modify this part of Decorate.py so it doesnt convert the header to
plain text ; I ve tried deleting the 'plain'  in the function MIMEText but
nothing changes, somy question is if Im on the right track or  it doesnt
have anything to do with this part?

# Now, play games with the outer message to make it contain three
# subparts: the header (if any), the wrapped message, and the footer (if
# any).
payload = [inner]
if header:
mimehdr =MIMEText( header, lcset)
mimehdr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline'
payload.insert(0, mimehdr)
if footer:
mimeftr = MIMEText(footer, 'plain', lcset)
mimeftr['Content-Disposition'] = 'inline'
payload.append(mimeftr)
msg.set_payload(payload)
del msg['content-type']
del msg['content-transfer-encoding']
del msg['content-disposition']
msg['Content-Type'] = 'multipart/mixed'
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo - resolved

[JC Dill]

Greg Lindahl wrote:



> Since these issues are common to different mailing list managers, is
> there a website that contains this kind of info? If not, should we
> make one and advertise it to other mailing list communities?

I don't know about a website, but there is a mailing list (with 
archives) where this information is on-topic and useful:



I suggest you post this information to that list, and ask if anyone 
there can suggest a website where the information should be added.

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[Mailman-Users] about autosubscribing

[johanna lovett]

I hope I've found the right place to ask this question --- my website offers
Mailman lists and I'm trying to figure out how to allow members to
autosubscribe via my site (so that I don't have to manually add them). Would
code below do it?

Thanks very much for your help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

[Jana Nguyen]

Hmm, I'm using postfix not sendmail.  In the Build and install mailman 
documentation it does not say that mailman wrapper needs
to be integrated with postfix.  But in the FAQ it is not clear if I need 
to use mailman wrapper with smrsh, I thought it is only with sendmail?

Thanks.

Patrick Bogen wrote:

>On 3/23/06, Jana Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I can locate smrsh now, but it is not integrated with Mailman? :
>>
>>[birn-holly ~]# locate smrsh
>>warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more
>>than 8 days old
>>/etc/smrsh
>>
>>
>
>I believe what you need to do is place symlinks to the mailman wrapper
>in /etc/smrsh/
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

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On 3/23/06, Jana Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can locate smrsh now, but it is not integrated with Mailman? :
>
> [birn-holly ~]# locate smrsh
> warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more
> than 8 days old
> /etc/smrsh

I believe what you need to do is place symlinks to the mailman wrapper
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[Mailman-Users] shunting problem (unpack list of wrong size)

[Jim Savoy]

Hello all,

Of our 770+ lists, a couple have some shunting problems (the unshunt 
command fails
to release queued up messages in the shunt directory). We are still 
running v2.1.5 with
plans to upgrade in May, but I was hoping to get a fix for this before then.

   The error message we get is:

==

  Mar 23 12:37:33 2006 (19290) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of 
wrong size
   .
   .
   .
 File "/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 337, in decode_params
 charset, language, value = decode_rfc2231(EMPTYSTRING.join(value))
   File "/mail/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py", line 284, in 
decode_rfc2231
 charset, language, s = parts
 ValueError: unpack list of wrong size


In pouring over the archives, Mark Shapiro wrote (in response to someone 
with
the same problem):

 Other lists aren't having a problem because it's probably caused by one
 particular list member with a pathological MUA.

And that this is related to the "scrubbing of attachments" for the 
digest or archives.

But no one on this list is using the digest feature and archiving is 
turned off. Plus
the user in question (the one sending the message) is using a generic 
webmail client,
the same one many of our users employ, with no special character set or 
language
options (that I can see anyway).

Any ideas? Would an upgrade to 2.1.7 resolve this problem (I only say 
that because
I perused the Mailman mailing list in reverse order from present date, 
and this issue
was never raised again by anyone after 2.1.6 came out).

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

[Jana Nguyen]

Jana Nguyen wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Jana Nguyen wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>It seems that mailman can send out mail.  I get an email of confirmation 
>>>when subscribing to the list, but the owner of the list doesn't get an 
>>>email to approve the rquest nor do I received a copy of an email for a 
>>>list that I am a member of.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>See
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>#3 from the link above regarding smrsh.  I can't find smrsh on my redhat 
>linux machine. 
>I tried to check to see if MTA uses smrsh, but it's not there:
>
>[birn-holly bin]# grep "smrsh" sendmail.cf
>grep: sendmail.cf: No such file or directory
>
>Next I tried to locate the smrsh dir:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ls -l /etc/smrsh
>total 0
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ls -l /usr/adm/sm.bin/
>ls: /usr/adm/sm.bin/: No such file or directory
>
>How do I setup smrsh to allow Mailman's wrapper program to run?
>  
>
I can locate smrsh now, but it is not integrated with Mailman? :

[birn-holly ~]# locate smrsh
warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more 
than 8 days old
/etc/smrsh
/usr/share/man/man8/smrsh.8.gz
/usr/sbin/smrsh

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Not receive email when posting to list

[Jana Nguyen]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Jana Nguyen wrote:
>  
>
>>It seems that mailman can send out mail.  I get an email of confirmation 
>>when subscribing to the list, but the owner of the list doesn't get an 
>>email to approve the rquest nor do I received a copy of an email for a 
>>list that I am a member of.
>>
>>
>
>
>See
>
>
>  
>
#3 from the link above regarding smrsh.  I can't find smrsh on my redhat 
linux machine. 
I tried to check to see if MTA uses smrsh, but it's not there:

[birn-holly bin]# grep "smrsh" sendmail.cf
grep: sendmail.cf: No such file or directory

Next I tried to locate the smrsh dir:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ls -l /etc/smrsh
total 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ls -l /usr/adm/sm.bin/
ls: /usr/adm/sm.bin/: No such file or directory

How do I setup smrsh to allow Mailman's wrapper program to run?

Thank you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce issues with Yahoo - resolved

[Greg Lindahl]

FYI, it turns out that the biggest reason Yahoo was hoding up my
emails was that my reverse DNS and the name of my mail server didn't
look enough alike. When I changed them to be the same, my backlog
quickly cleared.

I also have a backlog with verizon.net, see

http://blog.kloppmagic.ca/archives/2005/02/24/verizon-450-requested-mail-action-not-taken-try-later-error/

That post is a bit old, I'm not sure what Verizon is doing right now,
but the upshot is that spam emails are getting 450 responses instead
of 5XX responses.

Verizon also has a spam policy which affects mailing lists:

http://www2.verizon.net/policies/spamming.asp

To whit: 100 recipient max for single messages, 500/hour. I don't know
if that's per from line or per server, probably the latter. Exceeding
500/hour shuts off emails for 24 hours.

You can request to go on their whitelist at:

http://www2.verizon.net/micro/whitelist/request_form.asp?id=isp

Since these issues are common to different mailing list managers, is
there a website that contains this kind of info? If not, should we
make one and advertise it to other mailing list communities?

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[Mailman-Users] how to clear archives?

[Tim H]

Just installed mailman.
how do i clear out archives and start over?

thx

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Released: Mailman 2.1.8b1

[Jim Popovitch]

Apologies for the missing attachment, here is an inline copy that I
received from sf.net:

---
Project: Mailman  (mailman)
Package: Mailman 2.1 (stable)
Date   : 2006-03-23 12:20

Project "Mailman" ('mailman') has released the new version of package
'Mailman 2.1 (stable)'. You can download it from SourceForge.net by
following this link:

or browse Release Notes and ChangeLog by visiting this link:


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Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Is the attached Release notice related to the 2.1.8b1 release?  If 
> so, why is it indicated as "stable"?
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
>> Hi Mailman-Users, -Developers and -i18ners,
>> 
>> Mailman 2.1.8b1 was released for beta test.  Talks are going around
>>  on the start of 2.2 after the release of 2.1.8 the final of 
>> 2.1-maint branch.  I really want to call this final than beta but 
>> we should take careful steps.
>> 
>> Please download it from Sourceforge file area: 
>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Released: Mailman 2.1.8b1

[Jim Popovitch]

Is the attached Release notice related to the 2.1.8b1 release?  If so, 
why is it indicated as "stable"?


-Jim P.

Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

Hi Mailman-Users, -Developers and -i18ners,

Mailman 2.1.8b1 was released for beta test.  Talks are going around on 
the start of 2.2 after the release of 2.1.8 the final of 2.1-maint 
branch.  I really want to call this final than beta but we should take 
careful steps.


Please download it from Sourceforge file area:
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[Mailman-Users] Released: Mailman 2.1.8b1

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Hi Mailman-Users, -Developers and -i18ners,

Mailman 2.1.8b1 was released for beta test.  Talks are going around on 
the start of 2.2 after the release of 2.1.8 the final of 2.1-maint 
branch.  I really want to call this final than beta but we should take 
careful steps.

Please download it from Sourceforge file area:
   http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

Cheers,

Tokio
---
Here is a history of user visible changes to Mailman.

2.1.8b1 (23-Mar-2006)

   Bug fixes and other patches

 - Bouncers support added: 'unknown user', Microsoft SMTPSVC, 
Prodigy.net
   and several others.

 - Updated email library to 2.5.7 which will encode payload into 
qp/base64
   upon setting.  This enabled backing out the scrubber related patches
   including 'X-Mailman-Scrubbed' header in 2.1.7.

 - Fix SpamDetect.py potential hold/reject loop problem.

 - A warning message from email package to the stderr can cause error
   in Logging because stderr may be detached from the process during
   the qrunner run.  We chose not to output errors to stderr but to
   the logs/error if the process is running under mailmanctl subprocess.

 - DKIM header cleansing was separated from Cleanse.py and added to
   -owner messages too.

 - Fixes: Lose Topics when go directly to topics URL (1194419).
   UnicodeError running bin/arch (1395683).  edithtml.py missing import
   (1400128).  Bad escape in cleanarch.  Wrong timezone in list archive
   index pages (1433673).  bin/arch fails with TypeError (1430236).
   Subscription fails with some Language combinations (1435722).
   Postfix delayed notification not recognized (863989).  2.1.7 (VERP)
   mistakes delay notice for bounce (1421285).  show_qfiles: 'str'
   object has no attribute 'as_string' (147).  Utils.get_domain()
   wrong if VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW off (1275856).

   Miscellaneous

 - Brad Knowles' mailman daily status report script updated to 0.0.16.

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[Mailman-Users] user mailman

[Thomas Mladek]

Hi,
I want to be able to hold several lists with the same listname in differnt
domans. Therefor I have to install mailman serveral times on the same
machine. Could someone tell me if it might cause some problems if they are
all owned by one user mailman. (for example collisions with all those
wrapper programms) 
Thanks a lot 
Thomas
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