Re: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean

[Mark Sapiro]

Bob Holden wrote:

>Not sure if you're still working on this, but it's still happening on a 
>CentOS4.2 server with the latest tarball.


The tarball contains misc/KoreanCodecs-2.0.5.tar.gz. The Makefile built
by configure in the misc/ directory and run by the main Makefile
should install the korean package in the pythonlib/ directory in the
Mailman installation. The pythonlib/ directory is included in sys.path
by the various paths.py modules the import korean.

What part of this process is not happening in your case?


>Installing Python-Devel fixed the problem.


Presumably because this package installed Korean Codecs in the Python
library, but that doesn't explain why they weren't installed and/or
found in Mailman's pythonlib/ in the first place.

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[Mailman-Users] No module named korean

[Bob Holden]

Not sure if you're still working on this, but it's still happening on a 
CentOS4.2 server with the latest tarball.

Installing Python-Devel fixed the problem.

Bob Holden
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator not getting copy of emails

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BG Mahesh wrote:
>
>When the moderator of the list sends an email to the list he is not getting
>a single copy of his own email. I checked the settings of the moderator and
>it looks ok [I see "no dupes" checked for the moderator].


"Nodups" should not be the problem unless his address is in To: or Cc:
of the post.

If nodups is the only thing checked, click his address in the admin
Membership List to go to his options page and check the 'topics'
settings.

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[Mailman-Users] Moderator not getting copy of emails

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hi

When the moderator of the list sends an email to the list he is not getting
a single copy of his own email. I checked the settings of the moderator and
it looks ok [I see "no dupes" checked for the moderator].

What could I be doing wrong?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Manlio Perillo]

Todd Zullinger ha scritto:
> [...]
 But IIRC, the default MTA on Debian is Exim.  So there are probably
 less users testing the postfix integration in the packages.  That's
 my guess.

>>> You are right, but, as an example, Postfix is used on:
>>> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mailman.htm
> 
> I notice that they don't use the web interface to create a list in
> that tutorial.  Perhaps that's why there's no note of potential
> troubles?
> 

Dunno.
I have submitted the bug and the solution.
I'm waiting some response from the package maintainer.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359134


>>> (maybe Postfix was the default up to Woody?)
> 
> That I couldn't tell you.  I don't know for sure that Exim is the
> default in Sarge either.  It's just what I thought I've seen.  I'm not
> a Debianista. :)
> 

Yes, Exim is the default on Debian Sarge.
I had to install Postfix on my test machine because this is the MTA on
the production server (http://python.it)



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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Todd Zullinger ha scritto:
> [...]
> I would wager that Steinmetz tried to follow the FAQ as written but
> was thrown off by the fact that Debian doesn't use mailman as the
> owner or group for the mailman files.  And if you're not familiar with
> how postfix works and runs the postalias command as the user/group of
> the alias file, you might resort to a chmod 0666.
> 


In this specific case, postalias is run by mailman create CGI script

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in
process_request
sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 226, in create
_update_maps()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 47, in
_update_maps
raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)




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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Mark Sapiro]

Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
>The FAQ is (usually) self-service, meaning that anyone can edit it.
>In this case, I think that a better solution exists on Sarge than the
>one listed.

Now that I finally (I think) have this straight in my mind, I think
Todd's original suggested change for the FAQ is good with the possible
addition of a reference to data/virtual-mailman* as well, but we'll
have to wait for the permission issue to be resolved before anyone can
make the update.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Manlio Perillo wrote:
> Todd Zullinger ha scritto:
> 
>> But IIRC, the default MTA on Debian is Exim.  So there are probably
>> less users testing the postfix integration in the packages.  That's
>> my guess.
>> 
> 
> You are right, but, as an example, Postfix is used on:
> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mailman.htm

I notice that they don't use the web interface to create a list in
that tutorial.  Perhaps that's why there's no note of potential
troubles?

> (maybe Postfix was the default up to Woody?)

That I couldn't tell you.  I don't know for sure that Exim is the
default in Sarge either.  It's just what I thought I've seen.  I'm not
a Debianista. :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
> I don't understand the need for the 'adduser' you mentioned in your
> first post. Perhaps you can clarify what the permissions, etc. are in
> the Debian package as shipped, and what is required so we can get the
> FAQ right. Is it sufficient to
> 
> chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
> chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db
> 
> and if so, why would Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> say
> 
>  On Debian Sarge mailman:mailman does not exist
>  The only way I found was to chmod 0666 data/aliases*
> 
> (from
> )?

I would wager that Steinmetz tried to follow the FAQ as written but
was thrown off by the fact that Debian doesn't use mailman as the
owner or group for the mailman files.  And if you're not familiar with
how postfix works and runs the postalias command as the user/group of
the alias file, you might resort to a chmod 0666.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Todd Zullinger ha scritto:
> [...]
>>> But I'm sure I'm not the only one to use Mailman on a Debian!
>>> Nobody hits this problem?
>>> All of them use newlist to create a new mailing list?
> 
> I doubt you're the only one.  

;-)

> But IIRC, the default MTA on Debian is
> Exim.  So there are probably less users testing the postfix
> integration in the packages.  That's my guess.
> 

You are right, but, as an example, Postfix is used on:
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mailman.htm

(maybe Postfix was the default up to Woody?)



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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Manlio Perillo wrote:
> Todd Zullinger ha scritto:

 However I don't want to
 chmod 0666 data/aliases*
>> 
>> Yuck.  Nor would I.  That shouldn't even be in the FAQ, AFAIAC.
>> 
> 
> A mistake?

It's one way to solve the problem.  Just not one that I would
recommend. :)

The FAQ is (usually) self-service, meaning that anyone can edit it.
In this case, I think that a better solution exists on Sarge than the
one listed.

>> I'm not picking on Debian or implying that they're wrong to change
>> things to fit better within their system, just noting that the problem
>> is something that should be fixed in the Debian packaging.  The same
>> is true for any other vendor that packages Mailman.
>> 
> 
> Yes.
> But I'm sure I'm not the only one to use Mailman on a Debian!
> Nobody hits this problem?
> All of them use newlist to create a new mailing list?

I doubt you're the only one.  But IIRC, the default MTA on Debian is
Exim.  So there are probably less users testing the postfix
integration in the packages.  That's my guess.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Manlio Perillo]

Mark Sapiro ha scritto:
> Manlio Perillo wrote:
>> In Debian Sarge Apache2 runs under www-data user and group privileges
>> (and so the CGI cgi-bin/create).
>>
>> This means that, in order for the script to modify the alias* files,
>> www-data should be in the list group.
>> Or, as written in the FAQ, these files have to be world writeable.
> 
> 
> This should not be required because the Mailman cgi-bin/create wrapper
> should be group owned by 'list' and SETGID. This means the create
> script is no longer running as the group of 'www-data', it is already
> running in the 'list' group, so it should not be necessary to add
> 'www-data' to the 'list' group.
> 

Oh, you are right!
I have just tested it and works.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Manlio Perillo wrote:
>
>In Debian Sarge Apache2 runs under www-data user and group privileges
>(and so the CGI cgi-bin/create).
>
>This means that, in order for the script to modify the alias* files,
>www-data should be in the list group.
>Or, as written in the FAQ, these files have to be world writeable.


This should not be required because the Mailman cgi-bin/create wrapper
should be group owned by 'list' and SETGID. This means the create
script is no longer running as the group of 'www-data', it is already
running in the 'list' group, so it should not be necessary to add
'www-data' to the 'list' group.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Mark Sapiro ha scritto:
> Manlio Perillo wrote:
>> But if the files are not group writeable, how can the CGI script modify
>> them?
> 
> 
> Yes, they need to be group writable, but they shouldn't need to be
> world writable.
> 

Ok.
I just notice that there exist a bug report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235112

On Woody the alias file gets updates, the problem is with virtual-mailman!

I have submitted a new bug report.

> The question is what should the FAQ say (moot at the moment, because
> the FAQ apparently can't be updated, but I trust that will be fixed)?
> 
> I don't understand the need for the 'adduser' you mentioned in your
> first post. 

In Debian Sarge Apache2 runs under www-data user and group privileges
(and so the CGI cgi-bin/create).

This means that, in order for the script to modify the alias* files,
www-data should be in the list group.
Or, as written in the FAQ, these files have to be world writeable.

> Perhaps you can clarify what the permissions, etc. are in
> the Debian package as shipped, and what is required so we can get the
> FAQ right. Is it sufficient to
> 
> chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
> chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db
> 

Yes.

> and if so, why would Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> say
> 
>  On Debian Sarge mailman:mailman does not exist
>  The only way I found was to chmod 0666 data/aliases*
> 

The FAQ say:
chmod 0666 data/aliases*
(as mailman:mailman does not exist - permissions are for root:list)


Indeed permissions are root:list.
But I don't understand why to allow them to be world writeable.



P.S.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

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Manlio Perillo wrote:
>
>But if the files are not group writeable, how can the CGI script modify
>them?


Yes, they need to be group writable, but they shouldn't need to be
world writable.

The question is what should the FAQ say (moot at the moment, because
the FAQ apparently can't be updated, but I trust that will be fixed)?

I don't understand the need for the 'adduser' you mentioned in your
first post. Perhaps you can clarify what the permissions, etc. are in
the Debian package as shipped, and what is required so we can get the
FAQ right. Is it sufficient to

chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db

and if so, why would Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> say

 On Debian Sarge mailman:mailman does not exist
 The only way I found was to chmod 0666 data/aliases*

(from
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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Manlio Perillo]

Todd Zullinger ha scritto:
> Manlio Perillo wrote:
>>> I hit the problem described in the FAQ 6.9.
>>>
>>> However I don't want to
>>> chmod 0666 data/aliases*
> 
> Yuck.  Nor would I.  That shouldn't even be in the FAQ, AFAIAC.
> 

A mistake?

>>> A better solution, IMHO, is:
>>> chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
>>> chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db
>>> adduser www-data list
> 
> Really, since you're using a Debian package, the proper permissions
> and groups should be setup by the package.  If there isn't already a
> Debian bug filed for this, it seems like there ought to be.  If I were
> a Debian user, I'd file it.
> 

Yes, I will do it.
I just forget to ask if this could be a debian package bug.
Maybe there is a better solution.

> [...]
> I'm not picking on Debian or implying that they're wrong to change
> things to fit better within their system, just noting that the problem
> is something that should be fixed in the Debian packaging.  The same
> is true for any other vendor that packages Mailman.
> 

Yes.
But I'm sure I'm not the only one to use Mailman on a Debian!
Nobody hits this problem?
All of them use newlist to create a new mailing list?

> All that said, I *think* that you ought to be able to use the general
> solution in the FAQ, but instead of using chown mailman:mailman, use
> chown root:list (or whatever user and group Debian installs mailman
> under.  

No.
This is already the default setting.
Owner: root
Group: list

Also, aliases and virtual-mailman have the "right" permission.
The only problem, as I can see, is that the hash files are not group
writeable.


> There shouldn't be a need to chmod anything to 0666.  That's
> an accident waiting to happen.
> 

But if the files are not group writeable, how can the CGI script modify
them?




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[Mailman-Users] Can't update FAQ Wizard - permission error

[Mark Sapiro]

I attempted to edit FAQ 6.9 to add a link to
,
and when I 'Commit', I get the following error:

Can't write file faq06.009.htp ([Errno 13] Permission denied:
'faq06.009.htp').

Also, the edit I made on March 24 to FAQ 3.14 is not there. I don't
know if I got the same error then and didn't notice, or if the FAQ was
somehow rolled back (the edit is not in the log either). The addition
(FAQ 6.18) I made on March 21, is OK.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Todd Zullinger]

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Manlio Perillo wrote:
> I hit the problem described in the FAQ 6.9.
> 
> However I don't want to
> chmod 0666 data/aliases*

Yuck.  Nor would I.  That shouldn't even be in the FAQ, AFAIAC.

> A better solution, IMHO, is:
> chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
> chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db
> adduser www-data list

Really, since you're using a Debian package, the proper permissions
and groups should be setup by the package.  If there isn't already a
Debian bug filed for this, it seems like there ought to be.  If I were
a Debian user, I'd file it.

The instructions in the FAQ deal mostly with installing Mailman from
source, using the default settings/user/groups/etc.  When a
distributor makes changes, like Debian does with the file locations
and user/group, they should also be the ones that get the bug reports
for problems their changes introduce.  Trying to cover all the myriad
ways that a distributor might break various features in Mailman in the
FAQ tends to make the FAQ more complicated than it needs to be.

I'm not picking on Debian or implying that they're wrong to change
things to fit better within their system, just noting that the problem
is something that should be fixed in the Debian packaging.  The same
is true for any other vendor that packages Mailman.

All that said, I *think* that you ought to be able to use the general
solution in the FAQ, but instead of using chown mailman:mailman, use
chown root:list (or whatever user and group Debian installs mailman
under.  There shouldn't be a need to chmod anything to 0666.  That's
an accident waiting to happen.

Would anyone object to my changing that FAQ entry to remove this
suggestion for 0666 permissions and making a note that the chown
command should use whatever user/group values are used by your
distribution for Mailman?

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[Mailman-Users] FAQ 6.9 on Debian Sarge

[Manlio Perillo]

Hi.

I hit the problem described in the FAQ 6.9.

However I don't want to
chmod 0666 data/aliases*

A better solution, IMHO, is:
chmod 0660 data/aliases.db
chmod 0660 data/virtual-mailman.db
adduser www-data list



Regards  Manlio Perillo




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Re: [Mailman-Users] strange porblem with apache

[Manlio Perillo]

Patrick Bogen ha scritto:
> On 3/25/06, Manlio Perillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gli amministratori possono visitare > href="http:/lists.python.mydebian/mailman/admin">la pagina di
>> supervisione per gli amministratori per trovare l'interfaccia di
>> gestione della tua lista.
> 
> You are missing the extra forward-slash following http:. It should be
> 'http://lists...', but you have 'http:/lists...'
> 
> The problem is with your DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN that you listed in your first 
> email

Thanks very much, really!



Regards  Manlio Perillo
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