Re: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation messages
Todd Zullinger wrote: Another method for those with command line access is to use clone_member. I had to do this recently and it went like this: clone_member -r -l listname oldaddress newaddress The -r option removes the old address after it's been cloned. Very handy and quite possibly easier than writing a withlist script, though not worth as many sysadmin hipness points. :) Todd is correct. clone_member is exactly the right command line tool for changing a member's address. Some times we old bit fiddlers are too quick to reach for the low level and/or arcane tools to the point of totally overlooking better/more obvious ones. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Using gmail SMTP and mailman together
I think you should be able to do something with BCCs, but I'm not sure. So, forwarded to list... -- Forwarded message -- From: Matthew Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 24, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Using gmail SMTP and mailman together To: Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] The one mailing list feature that I absolutely need is the ability to make each message appear to be individually sent; I don't want every subscriber to see the addresses of every other subscriber. I already checked that functionality in gmail and its group feature just pastes the associated addresses into the recipients' list. Matthew On 4/24/06, Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/24/06, Matthew Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: list of addresses? I know that sounds like a spam engine, but the specific functionality I need is the ability to make a TLS connection to the gmail smtp server and not fire them off myself without any smtp server. Mailman is probably overkill for what you need, since its main purpose is managing list memberships and (I guess) maintaining archives. But if the engine is running off your laptop, the latter doesn't do you any good, and not much good for the former- users won't receive timely feedback to emailed requests, and the web interface won't be available. So, a small script will probably do what you want. Or, keep the list of addresses in a text file, and paste them into the 'To:' field each time. That said, gmail itself supports 'groups' (refer to the 'Contacts' link in the web interface), and any e-mail client worh its salt ought to have some sort of rudimentary group functionality. - Patrick Bogen -- Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No Mailman web pages appear.
Andy wrote: After installing and running Mailman no Mailman web page is visible (no list has been created yet, though). What can be wrong? You can't run Mailman without at least the site list (mailman). mailmanctl won't start. However, this is not your problem as the web interface doesn't require mailmanctl and the qrunners to be running. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html. Thanks for your reply. The admin tried everything he could and it still does not work. He has virtual hosts, and he suspects that perhaps Mailman cannot work with virtual hosts, only with proper WWW servers. Can you please confirm? Andy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No Mailman web pages appear.
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Andy wrote: Thanks for your reply. The admin tried everything he could and it still does not work. He has virtual hosts, and he suspects that perhaps Mailman cannot work with virtual hosts, only with proper WWW servers. Can you please confirm? What is a virtual host v. a proper WWW server? I have mailman and apache nicely doing lists for a couple of different domains on one apache and one mailman instance. [Sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread.] I must wonder if this admin isn't to clear on the concepts... z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Problems Installing from SVN
I'm looking to tweak the source of my mailman installation a little so decided to install from source onto my Debian system using the subversion repository. This is the first time I've installed mailman from source, usually I just rely upon the Debian packages. Everything installed without a problem, so good so far. But when I go to view the webpages I get the following error in my browser. ** Bug in Mailman version 2.2.0a0 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. ** If I try and start mailman's qrunner I get the following errors. ** cressida:/usr/local/mailman# ./scripts/mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 126, in ? loginit.initialize() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/loginit.py, line 94, in initialize handler = ReopenableFileHandler(os.path.join(mm_cfg.LOG_DIR, logger)) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/loginit.py, line 43, in __init__ logging.FileHandler.__init__(self, filename, mode, encoding) TypeError: __init__() takes at most 3 arguments (4 given) ** Any ideas? I'm using Python 2.3.5. Thanks, James -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Using gmail SMTP and mailman together
Matthew Price wrote: The one mailing list feature that I absolutely need is the ability to make each message appear to be individually sent; I don't want every subscriber to see the addresses of every other subscriber. I already checked that functionality in gmail and its group feature just pastes the associated addresses into the recipients' list. If you are only trying to protect the privacy of the list and not the fact that there is a list involved, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/, http://groups.google.com/ or http://lists.topica.com/. For various reasons, I can't really recommend Topica and I have no list management experience with the others. If you are trying to make each recipient's message look like a personal message addressed to the recipient, then perhaps Mailman on your laptop could be a solution, but there are potential stumbling blocks. In your OP, you asked if Mailman can use Gmail's secure SMTP service for outgoing mail. Mailman itself doesn't support SSL and I don't know anything about adding this layer between Mailman and the outside. There is a post at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/047082.html that gives a patch for adding user/password smtp authentication to Mailman's outgoing SMTP, but this is not the same thing. Also, there are issues with using a remote outgoing SMTP server on the road. You will undoubtedly encounter in your travels, public access points that redirect all port 25 (and perhaps secure smtp ports too) connects to their own SMTP server, thus thwarting your attempts to reach your preferred server. Putting your own outgoing SMTP server on your laptop may help, but there are issues like the above here too, as well as issues with the recipient's server possibly not liking the way your server identifies itself or the fact that its claimed identity doesn't match its current IP. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Using gmail SMTP and mailman together
Thanks to you and Patrick both for your time on this request. The need to be able to connect to a remote, tls speaking MTA has been eliminated by a little program called ssmtp that I found in the debian repository. All it does is impersonate the sendmail binary on the client end while piping the message to 'real' smtp server over tcp/ip. It supports tla and authentication so that is a relief. The only unknow is speed, since ssmtp doesn't do any spooling it could be quite a wait if one has to wait for 200 individual SMTP transactions to process. I keep poking at mailman since the problem got a whole lot easier after I found this program. Thanks again for your time. On 4/25/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Price wrote: The one mailing list feature that I absolutely need is the ability to make each message appear to be individually sent; I don't want every subscriber to see the addresses of every other subscriber. I already checked that functionality in gmail and its group feature just pastes the associated addresses into the recipients' list. If you are only trying to protect the privacy of the list and not the fact that there is a list involved, check out http://groups.yahoo.com/, http://groups.google.com/ or http://lists.topica.com/. For various reasons, I can't really recommend Topica and I have no list management experience with the others. If you are trying to make each recipient's message look like a personal message addressed to the recipient, then perhaps Mailman on your laptop could be a solution, but there are potential stumbling blocks. In your OP, you asked if Mailman can use Gmail's secure SMTP service for outgoing mail. Mailman itself doesn't support SSL and I don't know anything about adding this layer between Mailman and the outside. There is a post at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/047082.html that gives a patch for adding user/password smtp authentication to Mailman's outgoing SMTP, but this is not the same thing. Also, there are issues with using a remote outgoing SMTP server on the road. You will undoubtedly encounter in your travels, public access points that redirect all port 25 (and perhaps secure smtp ports too) connects to their own SMTP server, thus thwarting your attempts to reach your preferred server. Putting your own outgoing SMTP server on your laptop may help, but there are issues like the above here too, as well as issues with the recipient's server possibly not liking the way your server identifies itself or the fact that its claimed identity doesn't match its current IP. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Virtual Mailbox Domains
Duncan, I'm not sure if I understand what the difference is between virtual email domains and virtual alias domains but I have setup; and am running the following: Linux 2.6/Apache2/Postfix/mySQL/vmailAdmin/mailman using maildrop to deliver mail. mySQL handles the domains on the box and individual user account information. This is managed by vmailAdmin. Mailman is setup to run on any of the domains I setup on the box and can be accessed via: mailman.domain1.com, mailman.domain2.com, etc. The biggest PIA was to get the Postfix config file correct. I had to tell postfix where everything was and since half of my mail system is in a DB (individual users and their info) and the other half in mailman's files(mailing list information)...it was tricky. Post your questions to the list and I'll do my best to advise if you need it. I'm sure others can help as well and it took me a while to get working properly. It's a non-trivial setup and could be a rocky ride if it's your first time. -Adam You never forget your first time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duncan Drury Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:38 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Virtual Mailbox Domains I have postfix set up on FreeBSD with virtual mailbox domains (i.e. mailboxes don't map to freeBSD accounts). All the documentation I have found about Mailman talks about virtual alias domains. I haven't been able to find any detailed information on how mailman should be set up in such circumstances despite much googling. So I am trying to set up virtual alias domains for mailman to handle alongside the existing virtual mailbox domains. I'm asking on the Postfix mailing list if this is wise (so far not sure if it will work at all!). I was wondering if anyone here had any experience getting mailman working with virtual mailbox domains and would be able to pass on any wisdom. Cheers, Duncan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/amattina%40layer8gr oup.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems Installing from SVN
James Davis wrote: I'm looking to tweak the source of my mailman installation a little so decided to install from source onto my Debian system using the subversion repository. This is the first time I've installed mailman from source, usually I just rely upon the Debian packages. Everything installed without a problem, so good so far. But when I go to view the webpages I get the following error in my browser. The subversion trunk is not currently usable. It is undergoing a major change in logging which is incomplete, plus other changes. I'm a bit confused by the errors you report since the web page bug that I'm aware of was fixed in subversion before the ReopenableFileHandler class was added to loginit.py. What is in the error log from the web page bug? If you want to install from source, the best bet is to get the 2.1.8 tarball. You can also get the subversion Release_2_1-maint branch, but with the exception of the addition of the Vietnamese translation, this is the same as 2.1.8. Any ideas? I'm using Python 2.3.5. Python 2.3 will be the minimum for Mailman 2.2, so you should be OK there. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Using gmail SMTP and mailman together
Matthew Price wrote: The need to be able to connect to a remote, tls speaking MTA has been eliminated by a little program called ssmtp that I found in the debian repository. All it does is impersonate the sendmail binary on the client end while piping the message to 'real' smtp server over tcp/ip. It supports tla and authentication so that is a relief. The only unknow is speed, since ssmtp doesn't do any spooling it could be quite a wait if one has to wait for 200 individual SMTP transactions to process. The number of SMTP transactions to send to 200 members depends on various Mailman settings. If the list is not personalized or VERPed, the default is to send one transaction with 200 (up to 500 per transaction) recipients. With personalization or VERP like delivery, there will be one transaction per recipient. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems Installing from SVN
Mark Sapiro wrote: I'm a bit confused by the errors you report since the web page bug that I'm aware of was fixed in subversion before the ReopenableFileHandler class was added to loginit.py. What is in the error log from the web page bug? Never mind! The web page bug is new, and it's the same as the mailmanctl bug. The issue is that in mailman.loginit.py, the call to logging.FileHandler.__init__() does not accept the 'encoding' argument. It needs to be just logging.FileHandler.__init__(self, filename, mode) but if you fix that, you'll just run into other problems later. As I said in my prior reply, the subversion trunk just isn't useable yet. Use the Release_2_1-maint branch or the 2.1.8 tarball. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can this be done with Mailman?
* On 24/04/06 14:28 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: | Odhiambo Washington wrote: | | Fine, so it's doable, only if he commissions the work and funds it, yes? | ;-) | | | Right. | | | | You didn't ask for criticism of the idea itself so I won't offer any. | | Since I did not even imagine the possibility. | | I'd be happy, however, to hear you critique the idea. Thanks. | | | My first reaction is why would you want to do that!. I still can't | figure that out. As sure as day follows night, I did ask myself first, then my boss the question! Funnily enough, he had an answer, which he was passionate at explaining, but which was so hard for me to buy, even at a discounted rate ;) | Then my questions are what would the purpose of this archive be? and | in what way would members find it useful? Two questions without answers so far, but I am going to ask him again, then revert back to you. Perhaps he has a point. | I suspect one of two things would happen. Either no one is interested | in archives anyway so it wouldn't make any difference, or people do | want archives in which case, people being resourceful, you would | quickly see two things happen. I did not hear him say there is need for the archives by anyone else except that this was coming in in his imagination. | Every post in a thread will quote the entire thread to that point | because everyone knows that 'context' can't be found in the archives, | and those who are really interested in having access to archives will | reply to every thread with nothing but a quote of the thread so that | they can have access to the thread in the archive. Which beats the limitations he perceived. | I would still like to know what 'problem' is being solved by this idea | as I can't think of one. You will know in a few hours, I hope. Thanks for your time. cheers - wash +--+-+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +-+--+ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
I'm subscribed here to get some answers about email list software in general, and hopefully some continuing questions about Mailman in particular. So I may be gone shortly, depending on what I discover here. I am considering setting up an email list server for possibly more than one local email discussion list. But I'm not clear on how that can be done, or whether or not it is indeed possible. Hence this post. I'm (yet another) private computer user with a home LAN and an aDSL gateway to an ISP. I'm running Fetchmail/Sendmail/Procmail on my own machine, which primarily means I can use any MUA at whim. It also means I've the potential to serve the LAN as well, though presently don't (wife likes her own setup...) And it also means I could cobble up a simple email mirror to do the job, but it would be a limited hack. What I want to do is run a real list server instead. Thought of majordomo but was set straight on the currently much better regarded Mailman, which is why I'm asking here. So, the question: Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP? Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do transport duty both ways. But in order that my machine's hostname is not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch. Simple enough. Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however. If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN. I suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible before I get all bogged down and over my head. Is this post clear enough for a substantive response, or do I need to clarify anything? Thanks for reading, Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman lists
Mailman is a well-made, but odd product for an administrator (not a programmer): it's slick, simple, reliable, everything you'd want from a mailing list but one: a clearness of documentation. I've installed it at least three times, and I swear I couldn't tell you how to. Sendmail, on the other hand, when you've installed it, you *know* how you did it, ya know? That's what's making things hard for us, here. The OS is Fedora Core 4 (Ubuntu's not quite ready) and we're running the most recent RPM available, mailman-2.1.5-35.fc4. A server was running this for several years- one of my mentioned installs. It's now run long enough to start to worry about the reliability of the drives, and for subsequent admins to make some mistakes that turned a bit messy. So a new drive is /dev/hda, and the old one is /dev/hdc, and mounted read-only, as /archive until we're completely transitioned. And ya know- I coulda *sworn* the actual list of subscribers was in a text file in a previous version, but it isn't. Key questions: 1. What, explicitly, do I copy from the archive to get the lists back, and what steps do I take to make them work? Simply copying the files that seem right, don't work at all. I suspect the binary to check the configuration will be involved, but the docs are driving me up a tree. 2. Am I doing this right? Usually when I spend a couple of days Googling and turn up nothing, it means I'm doing something wrong... -- Don't be fooled by lovesongs and lonely hearts...you're living in a Twilight World. Brian Fahrländer Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://Fahrlander.net/brian ICQ: 5119262 AOL/Yahoo/GoogleTalk: WheelDweller -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman
Mailman is a well-made product; it's slick, simple, reliable, everything you'd want from a mailing list but one: a clearness of documentation. I've installed it three times, and I swear I don't know how I did it. Sendmail, on the other hand, when you've installed it, you *know* how you did it, ya know? That's what's making things hard for us, over here. The OS is Fedora Core 4 (Ubuntu's RAID-setup isn't easy, yet) and we're running the most recent RPM available, mailman-2.1.5-35.fc4. A server was running this for several years- long enough to start to worry about the reliability of the disk drives, and long enough for subsequent admins to make some mistakes that turned a bit messy. So we take the old drive, set it for IDE secondary-master, put in a new drive, and mounted the old drive, Read-only, as /archive until we're completely transitioned. And ya know- I coulda *sworn* the actual list of subscribers was in a text file, but it isn't. Key questions: 1. What, explicitly, do I copy from the archive to get the lists back, and what steps do I take to make them work? Simply copying the files that seem right, don't work at all. I suspect the binary to check the configuration will be involved, but the docs are driving me up a tree. 2. Am I doing this right? Usually when I spend a couple of days Googling and turn up nothing, it means I'm doing something wrong... -- Don't be fooled by lovesongs and lonely hearts...you're living in a Twilight World. Brian Fahrländer Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://Fahrlander.net/brian ICQ: 5119262 AOL/Yahoo/GoogleTalk: WheelDweller -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] A little help with Mailman?
Mailman is a well-made product; it's slick, simple, reliable, everything you'd want from a mailing list but one: a clearness of documentation. I've installed it three times, and I swear I don't know how I did it. Sendmail, on the other hand, when you've installed it, you *know* how you did it, ya know? That's what's making things hard for us, over here. The OS is Fedora Core 4 (Ubuntu's RAID-setup isn't easy, yet) and we're running the most recent RPM available, mailman-2.1.5-35.fc4. A server was running this for several years- long enough to start to worry about the reliability of the disk drives, and long enough for subsequent admins to make some mistakes that turned a bit messy. So we take the old drive, set it for IDE secondary-master, put in a new drive, and mounted the old drive, Read-only, as /archive until we're completely transitioned. And ya know- I coulda *sworn* the actual list of subscribers was in a text file, but it isn't. Key questions: 1. What, explicitly, do I copy from the archive to get the lists back, and what steps do I take to make them work? Simply copying the files that seem right, don't work at all. I suspect the binary to check the configuration will be involved, but the docs are driving me up a tree. 2. Am I doing this right? Usually when you spend a couple of days Googling for a project and turn up nothing, it means I'm doing something wrong... -- Don't be fooled by lovesongs and lonely hearts...you're living in a Twilight World. Brian Fahrländer Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://Fahrlander.net/brian ICQ: 5119262 AOL/Yahoo/GoogleTalk: WheelDweller -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman
Brian Fahrlander wrote: And ya know- I coulda *sworn* the actual list of subscribers was in a text file, but it isn't. Right. It's in lists/listname/config.pck along with the list configuration. Key questions: 1. What, explicitly, do I copy from the archive to get the lists back, and what steps do I take to make them work? Simply copying the files that seem right, don't work at all. I don't know what seems right to you, but the lists/ and archives/ directories have almost everything. The rest is maybe some held messages in data/ and queued messages in process in qfiles/. Simply restoring lists/listname/config.pck into a working instalation should get a functional list except for archives. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] list admin/moderator as list
Hi, Is it possible to have the list admin/moderator as a list as well? I'm used to sendmail aliases but when I assign the list admin and/or moderator as another list I get implicit destination approval requests before the message even gets to the approval phase for itself. My goal is to have a static list admin/moderator as an alias and the alias members them selves be dynamic. Thanks in advance, Bri- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
William D. Tallman Is it possible to run a server behind a gateway and through an ISP? Yes. Fetchmail can service list mailboxes easily enough, and Sendmail can do transport duty both ways. But in order that my machine's hostname is not carried beyond the gateway, I have to use the Sendmail '-f' switch. Simple enough. Actually you don't. Mailman talks to sendmail at the SMTP level, not at the sendmail command level and it specifies it's own domain (configured in Mailman) in both From: and envelope sender. Don't know whether or not Mailman can be configured to accept messages from Fetchmail, and/or to pass outgoing to Sendmail, however. If you run Sendmail on your server so it listens on 'localhost' port 25, Mailman will talk to it 'out of the box' I'm not fully familiar with Fetchmail's capabilities, but if Fetchmail can retrieve mail from a remote mailbox and pipe it to a local command (different depending on which mailbox it came from), this will work. Also, Procmail can definitely do what's required to get mail to Mailman. Also, there is another 'experimental' way to get mail to Mailman where Fetchmail would deposit the incoming mail in a local directory, and Mailman's USE_MAILDIR option is set so Mailman basically polls the local directory for new mail. If I set up Mailman on my machine, it will (I presume) regard it's own address as that of the machine, an address only valid on my LAN. You would set up Mailman to know and use the external domain names. There are some potential complications mostly involving what list names appear on what web pages, but as long as you are not trying to support multiple domains with some lists in one and other lists in another, these are easily handled. I suppose the question is whether or not I can set up reliable address translation for the outgoing smtp stuff, but I'm a relative newbie at all this and would sure like to know what is or is not feasible/possible before I get all bogged down and over my head. I'm not sure what you are envisioning here, but I think there is no problem. I think everything can use 'outside' addresses. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list admin/moderator as list
Brian Krusic wrote: Is it possible to have the list admin/moderator as a list as well? Sure. I'm used to sendmail aliases but when I assign the list admin and/or moderator as another list I get implicit destination approval requests before the message even gets to the approval phase for itself. The list (lista) that is the admin address for the other list (listb) can have its Privacy options...-Recipient filters-require_explicit_destination set to No or it can have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in acceptable_aliases. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:05:48PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: snip Aha! That's what I was hoping to hear. Saved your response, and will send majordomo-/dev/null. Hello, Mailman! Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) Unless I can configure Mailman to automagically ftp the ISP, login, and upload to preconfigured pages, that is. In any case, thanks for this prompt response. Looks like I'm good to go! Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
William D. Tallman wrote: Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Mailman
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 16:32 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Brian Fahrlander wrote: And ya know- I coulda *sworn* the actual list of subscribers was in a text file, but it isn't. Right. It's in lists/listname/config.pck along with the list configuration. Key questions: 1. What, explicitly, do I copy from the archive to get the lists back, and what steps do I take to make them work? Simply copying the files that seem right, don't work at all. I don't know what seems right to you, but the lists/ and archives/ directories have almost everything. The rest is maybe some held messages in data/ and queued messages in process in qfiles/. Simply restoring lists/listname/config.pck into a working instalation should get a functional list except for archives. Well, it appears to have worked, despite a permission problem (between the two different installs). I sense that the archived messages are a whole, other kettle-of-fish? :) BTW: I only meant to send the one message- the others were held up due to a reverse-IP problem that appears only now to be fixed. Thanks for the help! -- Don't be fooled by lovesongs and lonely hearts...you're living in a Twilight World. Brian Fahrländer Christian, Conservative, and Technomad Evansville, IN http://Fahrlander.net/brian ICQ: 5119262 AOL/Yahoo/GoogleTalk: WheelDweller signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Serious problem
Yves Bajard wrote: For one of the 11 mailing lists I host and manage as list owner, when clicking on URL of the admin page, I get directly into it without having to go through the password filter. I noticed that people who look for that list on Google can also access directly the admin page of that list without being blocked by the password filter. Anybody could tell me how to correct that flaw? I am not the webmaster of my websites, but have contracted it to a local server in my city. It is unclear to me what is happening here, but here are some things to think about. Do you have a saved login cookie for the list? Can anyone from any computer get to list admin pages via google, or just from your computer? Does the google link have a query part with adminpw=? Have you tried changing the list password? What happens if you click the 'logout' link on an admin page? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
helo there... (^_^)
i want to install Mailman on MAC OS x following from
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html
on step 3 e f ..i got some errors
micom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=www --with-mail-gid=mailman
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.3
checking that Python has a working distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install...
/usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... no
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
make installsudo: make: command not found
should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my
problems?,..cos i read it on
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg14100.html
is that OK on line
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
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Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes Victoria wrote: checking for gcc... no checking for cc... no configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH Configure couldn't find a 'cc' (C compiler) command bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo make installsudo: make: command not found And there appears to be no make command either. should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my problems? Yes. You must have the Developer Tools installed to configure and install Mailman. That may not fix all your problems, but it will give you a 'cc' and a 'make'. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
thank u to reply (^_^)... no, i don't see it,.. are u forgot / misspell of afp458.com ? in there i just not find linked to mac... so the kind should i install from developer tools is FWIW? cos i'm newbie for mac os X i don't wanna get wrong to install it is apple.com provide the developer tools on it? can i download install it? thank you.. Yes, you must install the Developer Tools. FWIW, if you've already su'ed to root, there's no need for sudo. Have you seen the instructions at afp458.com? Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question(s).
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:04:35PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: William D. Tallman wrote: Setting up a web interface won't be something I'll do, as the ISP has the page, not me. No open ports and behind a NATing router/modem :) For all but very large scale lists, it is much easier to administer the lists via the web interface. You don't have to open a port. Just run a web server on your local box and connect to it at 'localhost' or via it's lan side address from elsewhere in the lan. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Oh, I see. The site is for the administrator, then. Something like the CUPS admin page. Good enough. Will be looking at this package this evening, presumably lots of stuff to read... Thanks, Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes Victoria wrote: no, i don't see it,.. are u forgot / misspell of afp458.com ? in there i just not find linked to mac... I believe Dan is referring to articles at www.afp548.com as linked from the Mailman FAQ article 1.21 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp. so the kind should i install from developer tools is FWIW? cos i'm newbie for mac os X i don't wanna get wrong to install it is apple.com provide the developer tools on it? can i download install it? You need to install the Apple Developer Tools package that is on the Mac OS X CDs/DVDs that came with the computer or contained the OS upgrade you have installed. If you don't have the CDs/DVDs, you can download the Developer tools from Apple, but you should have the disks. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
On 4/25/06 9:42 PM, Celes Victoria at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
helo there... (^_^)
i want to install Mailman on MAC OS x following from
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html
on step 3 e f ..i got some errors
micom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=www --with-mail-gid=mailman
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.3
checking that Python has a working distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install...
/usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... no
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
make installsudo: make: command not found
should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my
problems?,..cos i read it on
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg14100.html
As Step 1i of my instructions you referenced above says, You need to
install the Developer Tools that came with your Panther disks
or several of the steps won't work. so yes, you need to install the
Developer Tools (oops, I should have changed that to say Tiger rather than
Panther and on Tiger, it's another package on the installation DVD, not a
separate CD). The Developer Tools are found in the Xcode Tools folder on the
Tiger DVD (double-click XcodeTools.mpkg) and on the Xcode Tools CD for
Panther and in the Xcode Tools folder on the Tiger DVD (double-click
Developer.mpkg). Looking at the Tiger install DVD, if you select Customize,
it appears you must install at least Developer Tools Software, gcc 3.3, and
the Mac OS X SDK (under Software Development Kits) - most of the stuff is
small but there's probably no reason to install the Developer Documentation,
Developer Example Software or any of the stuff not selected by default which
will save you over a GB. Also note that if you not install the BSD subsystem
as part of you Mac OS X install, you must do that first (that's part of the
Mac OS X install, not the Xcode/Developer Tools install).
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