[Mailman-Users] Accept non-members still being held for approval
Hi, I want to add some non-members e-mails to accept non-members list so they can send mails to the list without being members. But, after I put the e-mail in the list, all mails being sent from that address are being held for approval. So, do I have to specify something else, or it is just the waz it should be? Thanks Alan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] trouble running mailman in a virtual environment
I have a virtual server at some provider. They have an how-to to install and run mailman. The OS is freebsd. Some days ago, my consultant installed mailman, following their how-to directions. Version 2.1.7, the latest available. When we started and tested mailman, it worked right, so we transfered our lists from another server. Then a problem arose, mailman got stuck. My consultant went to see the log and noticed several *interrupted system calls*. We thought it was due to a limitation of mailman in virtual environments. As a workaround we put a script to restart mailman every 5 minuts. All went smooth for a few days until last friday, when mailman got stuck again and restarting it did not solve the problem. My consultants watched the logs more carefully and they reported several interrupted system calls. After a couple of days, mailman started to run again (we guess it was due to the cron script) and released all the previous mail. Incoming mail is always received regularly, no user receive errors and it is always immediately put into the on line archive of the lists, it just do not get delivered untile mailman starts delivering again... Do you know of any problem relating to running mailman in virtual environment? Any other hint? Unfortunately, log files are too concise to get a good idea of what the problem is related to... Thank you. wiren -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner restarts every 15 minutes
Hi, Is there any more in the qrunner log than was in the original post (e.g., messages from the qrunners indicating a received signal)? Is there anything in Mailman's error log? In the error log theres nothing every 15 minutes, only errors that occured while I did the setup. The qrunner log shows only May 03 09:30:01 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14115, sig: 9, sts: None, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:02 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14172, sig: 9, sts: None, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:02 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14055, sig: 9, sts: None, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:03 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14202, sig: 9, sts: None, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:03 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14215, sig: 9, sts: None, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:04 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14229, sig: 9, sts: None, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:04 2006 (24268) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 14233, sig: 9, sts: None, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] May 03 09:30:15 2006 (1978) RetryRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:15 2006 (1694) VirginRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:17 2006 (3437) BounceRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:18 2006 (3128) IncomingRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:18 2006 (1826) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:19 2006 (3414) CommandRunner qrunner started. May 03 09:30:19 2006 (3282) ArchRunner qrunner started. exact every 15 Minutes. It is unlikely to be any kind of processing error as that would normally affect at most one runner. I note that NewsRunner wasn't in the log in the OP. Is it unaffected, or are you not running it? I had commented it out as I dont need it but: the only difference is that the newsrunner is restarted to :-( There is a mailman cron file but it only does checkdbs, disabled, senddigests etc. but none of them every 15 Minutes. I have not found any other cronjob that is done every 15 minutes. It is most likely some external cron process or OS condition that is stopping the runners, but it's difficult to say without more log info from Mailman or the OS. I gave you everything from mailman I have :-) In the syslog there is also nothing. My imap client logs in (as it does every minute) an munin is drawing its statistics as it does every 5 minutes. Do you know how to tell mailman/qrunner to be more verbose? Thanks Joern -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to real hostname.
I've just installed Mailman on FreeBSD with Sendmail and Apache. I'm hosting it for another organization, and have used their domain name throughout all the installation and list set-up. It all appears fine through the web interface, and accepts emails to lists.lcg.org.au, BUT all emails from mailman use my mail server's hostname (mail.another.com.au). I've told sendmail to allow it to masquerade as the virtual domain, and I've added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' I would really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks for listening. Richard -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
On Tue, 2 May 2006, Ted Ernst wrote: I suggested using mailman hosted by mayfirst.org and that was accepted. We now have two lists. Problem is, it's not like yahoogroups. I don't care, What aspect of Yahoogroups is it that they need ? No two things are exactly like, so either there is a particular feature or features they want, or they just want Yahoogropus. == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Charset problem. cmd_confirm assumes ascii code.
Hi I wrote Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:56:47 +0200 (EET) We have problem with confirm mail when mail body contains characters out of ascii code (range(128)). ... etc. I hope someone is at least a little bit interested... It's really a problem here that confirmations mysteriously disappear. In case reading the mail was fussed about finnish characters (iso-8859-1), maybe looking it from archive works better: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg38393.html Osmo -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Double attachments
Hi again Mailman-users! I was wondering why attachments in archive take space more than mbox-file. Found out that there are many double copies of attachments like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cd ~mailman/arc*/*/ok-testi/attachments/*/* [EMAIL PROTECTED] c69ef096]# ls -l total 120 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 59714 May 3 14:48 attachment-0001.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 59714 May 3 14:48 attachment.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] c69ef096]# diff attachment-0001.html attachment.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] c69ef096]# Any clue why? Version is 2.1.5. Osmo -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accept non-members still being held for approval
Alan wrote: But, after I put the e-mail in the list, all mails being sent from that address are being held for approval. So, do I have to specify something else, or it is just the waz it should be? There are at least two possibilities. 1) The messages are being held for some reason other than non-member post. What is the hold reason? If you don't still have a held message or notification, the reason is in Mailman's 'vette' log. 2) The address that is matched against accept_these_nonmembers may be either the address in From: or the address in Sender: depending on the setting of USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER in mm_cfg.py, and it has to be an exact match against the string or pattern in accept_these_nonmembers. I.e. if the address in accept_these_nonmembers is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the sender as determined above is [EMAIL PROTECTED], it won't match. Note that in this example, if accept_these_nonmembers were [EMAIL PROTECTED] either address would be matched by the reg exp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
On 5/3/06, Christopher X. Candreva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 May 2006, Ted Ernst wrote: I suggested using mailman hosted by mayfirst.org and that was accepted. We now have two lists. Problem is, it's not like yahoogroups. I don't care, What aspect of Yahoogroups is it that they need ? No two things are exactly like, so either there is a particular feature or features they want, or they just want Yahoogropus. I'm asking for clarification. I don't think it's the calendar and file space and such. One objection raised was that mailman doesn't know that a person can have multiple email addresses so it takes some finagling to get forwarding set up right, and then we admins can't see how many actual people are on the list, because some people are listed multiple times. -- Humanize the Earth! http://tedernst.com Open more space! http://www.openspaceworld.org Chicago event July 14-16: http://moreandmore.us/ skype: TedErnst google talk/jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field
William == William D Tallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William How does the RFC, or the writers thereof, define user? They don't. IMHO (there are those more expert than I on this list) anything that is normally expected to touch the headers or body of a message is a user for the purpose of RFC 2822. What is excluded is the mail transport system (MTAs) which are specified in RFC 2821. There is also a distinction between originators and others. Certain headers (From, Subject, Date, etc) are specified as for the use of the originator. Other headers are generally specified in terms of their semantics alone, and not according to who may use them. William An automated system is the tool of some deliberate William intent, implying (necessarily?) the will of a user, I William would think. I don't think that is the way that RFC writers in general think. Although there is a desire for RFC 2822 headers to be intelligible to humans, and many are very useful in day-to-day work, RFCs are in the end about machine-to-machine communication. Thus the focus is on syntax so that machines can parse them without knowing what they mean, and of semantics that allow machines to make a good guess at what the humans are going to want. For example, if there is a Reply-To header, the From header should be ignored, and the Reply-To address used in composing the addressee list for a reply. However, one of the examples used IIRC is where the author of the original message is traveling and uses his own address as From (that's the identity the recipient recognizes) but Reply-To to direct the response to his host, whose email address he is borrowing. Now, a human who replies a week later will know that the boss is back home and want to reply to From but the mail client can't know that. So a good mail client will initialize the address of a reply to the Reply-To, but provide a way for the user to override. The RFC only specifies the former, though, and only as a suggestion. Exactly how to handle this problem is a user interface issue, and the RFC remains silent on such issues. William Or is this relevant? Yes. Sometimes such definitions are made explicitly. I don't think they exist in this case, but it's a very good idea to ask. * Disclaimer: this is the way I think about these things, and I've found it useful in understanding what RFCs do and don't say. Others will surely have different opinions. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of TsukubaTennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can do free software business; ask what your business can do for free software. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble running mailman in a virtual environment
wiren wrote: Version 2.1.7, the latest available. The current release is 2.1.8 http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman. For 2.1.7 also see http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=545674. Then a problem arose, mailman got stuck. My consultant went to see the log and noticed several *interrupted system calls*. Which log? As a workaround we put a script to restart mailman every 5 minuts. Not necessarily a good idea. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.068.htp All went smooth for a few days until last friday, when mailman got stuck again and restarting it did not solve the problem. My consultants watched the logs more carefully and they reported several interrupted system calls. Which logs? After a couple of days, mailman started to run again (we guess it was due to the cron script) and released all the previous mail. Incoming mail is always received regularly, no user receive errors and it is always immediately put into the on line archive of the lists, it just do not get delivered untile mailman starts delivering again... This would appear to be a problem with OutgoingRunner or SMTP delivery to the outgoing MTA. Do you know of any problem relating to running mailman in virtual environment? Any other hint? Unfortunately, log files are too concise to get a good idea of what the problem is related to... What log files are you looking at? What is in Mailman's 'error' and 'smtp-failure' logs? When Mailman 'stops', has OutgoingRunner died? What's in Mailman's 'qrunner' log? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
Ted Ernst wrote: One objection raised was that mailman doesn't know that a person can have multiple email addresses so it takes some finagling to get forwarding set up right, and then we admins can't see how many actual people are on the list, because some people are listed multiple times. Yes, this is a problem with Mailman. It will probably change eventually, but not before Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
On 5/2/06 10:00 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the Mailman side, the canonical answer is FAQ 1.26 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.026.htp. I *think* that the m2f discussion in the above article is stale. The m2f stable release seems to be at 1.01. (Their web site and my habits for reading web sites do not correspond well.) I'm not sure enough to try to make a change. --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] what's different
I have several mailing list on several domains running on my machine (debian Etch, using exim4). As far as I can tell they are all setup identically however on one of them mail sent to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (and any other -request type address) gets returned as 'Unroutable address'. The other lists behave correctly. Where should I look to uncover the problem? 'exim4 -bt' returns the same results for all lists. Thinking it might be something that could be corrected with fix_url I tried running it but get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/withlist, line 297, in ? main() File bin/withlist, line 275, in main r = do_list(listname, args, func) File bin/withlist, line 201, in do_list return func(m, *args) File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/fix_url.py, line 81, in fix_url mlist.web_page_url = web_page_url AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'web_page_url' I know I have successfully run fix_url before. What do I have wrong now? -- But, if I deny the authority of the state when it presents its tax bill, it will soon take and waste my property and so harass me and my children without end. This is hard. This makes it impossible for a man to live honestly, and at the same time comfortably ... -- Henry David Thoreau Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] what's different
Rick Pasotto wrote: Where should I look to uncover the problem? 'exim4 -bt' returns the same results for all lists. I think it has to be in the router definition in exim for Mailman. Thinking it might be something that could be corrected with fix_url Unlikely. I tried running it but get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/withlist, line 297, in ? main() File bin/withlist, line 275, in main r = do_list(listname, args, func) File bin/withlist, line 201, in do_list return func(m, *args) File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/fix_url.py, line 81, in fix_url mlist.web_page_url = web_page_url AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'web_page_url' I know I have successfully run fix_url before. What do I have wrong now? What was the withlist command? What Mailman version? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] trouble running mailman in a virtual environment
On 5/3/06, wiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know of any problem relating to running mailman in virtual environment? I am running Mailman in a virtual environment no problem (Debian under a Virtuozzo VMHost). I didn't have to do anything special for it. Jeff D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automated announcements
On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert Seymour wrote: I would like to send out announcement emails M-F (in cron?) stating something like Check out todays cartoon at http://birdbreath.com/images1/20060502.png; with the dated file name changing each day. Does Mailman have the capability to do this? If so, where can I find No, but you don't need it to. It's a separate problem. Mailman's job is simply to distribute mail sent to it to all members. What you are looking for is something that will generate a dated e-mail at a given time to some address . That some address happens to be a mailing list is irrelavant. That's the beauty of breakign problems into little pieces, and solving each piece. Really, all you want is some little script to generate an e-mail with a dated link and send it to the mailing list address. A few lines of shell or perl can do it. == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Welcome message
Hi, everyone My Mailman mailing list doesn't send out the welcome message ANYMORE. The lists are config as an announcement list and to send out welcome message to new users. Because I want to make the welcome message for each of the list, I specified the content in the new-user welcome message, but remove the content in the subscribeack.txt file. The users are added into the lists, but no welcome messages send out to them. When I unsubscribe them, I'm - as the admin - receive the leaving message (because the lists are config to send the unsubscribes to the admins) In OS X Server Admin log, it shows that email was sent out but the users never receive it!?! Can anyone shed some light on this problem, please? Thank you, -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Custom footer based on sender's email
I need to figure out how to add a footer to an e-mail coming from a specific user. I just can't seem to figure this out. I have created a module to weed out the address, but now I need to munge the body of the message. -Rob -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Welcome message not sent
I'm actually use both, same thing happens with either interfaces. The server is 10.4.6 and 2.1.5 for Mailman. On May 3, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Dan Phillips wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Hung Phan wrote: My Mailman mailing list doesn't send out the welcome message ANYMORE. The lists are config as an announcement list and to send out welcome message to new users. Because I want to make the welcome message for each of the list, I specified the content in the new-user welcome message, but remove the content in the subscribeack.txt file. The users are added into the lists, but no welcome messages send out to them. When I unsubscribe them, I'm - as the admin - receive the leaving message (because the lists are config to send the unsubscribes to the admins) In OS X Server Admin log, it shows that email was sent out but the users never receive it!?! Are you using Apple's GUI for Mailman, or the native Mailman web interface? Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] message not showing in Archives
Dear List: I sent a message to one of my lists today, and after receipt of the mail, I checked the Archives via the GUI. Despite a few hours, after sending and receiving, the item still has not shown up in the Archives..nothing shows for the month of May. What causes an item to be archived and to show up, and how long should it normally take to be there? Please advise. Scott -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message not sent
On May 3, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Hung Phan wrote: In OS X Server Admin log, it shows that email was sent out but the users never receive it!?! Are these log entries associated with the MTA, or with Mailman? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom footer based on sender's email
Rob Jackson wrote: I need to figure out how to add a footer to an e-mail coming from a specific user. I just can't seem to figure this out. I have created a module to weed out the address, but now I need to munge the body of the message. You will need to do several things. 1) set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in mm_cfg.py so you can do 2) set the list's personalize option (in Non-digest options) to Yes so you will be sending separately to each recipient, then 3) see Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py for the current code that adds personalized headers and footers. You either have to make your changes here or in Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py in the verpdeliver() function. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message
Hung Phan wrote: I specified the content in the new-user welcome message, but remove the content in the subscribeack.txt file. How did you do this? Did you follow the procedures for editing templates in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp? Have you checked Mailman's error log for any errors occurring in sending the welcome message? In OS X Server Admin log, it shows that email was sent out but the users never receive it!?! If the message is sent from the server, Mailman has done it's job. If the message is not received, it may be due to some filtering outside of your server or some bounce issue. Do you see any entries in Mailman's bounce log possibly related to the welcome messages. Have you tried subscribing an address of your own to see if you receive the message? Have you checked Mailman's smtp-failure log for any problems there? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to realhostname.
Richard Beyer wrote: I've told sendmail to allow it to masquerade as the virtual domain, and I've added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' Did you add these before or after creating the list? If after, you have to run fix_url to change the list. See bin/fix_url.py for help. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to realhostname.
Thanks Mark, however, bin/fix_url.py tells me to use bin/withlist bin/withlist (with options as instructed) gives an error: bin/withlist -l -r lists.lcg.org.au committee Importing lists... Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/withlist, line 297, in ? main() File bin/withlist, line 266, in main mod = __import__(module) ImportError: No module named lists Help? Thanks again. Richard -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to realhostname. Richard Beyer wrote: I've told sendmail to allow it to masquerade as the virtual domain, and I've added the following to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' Did you add these before or after creating the list? If after, you have to run fix_url to change the list. See bin/fix_url.py for help. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Double attachments
Osmo Kujala wrote: I was wondering why attachments in archive take space more than mbox-file. Found out that there are many double copies of attachments like: Scrubber scrubs the attachment twice. Once for the archive and once for the 'plain' digest, so you wind up with two copies. One way to avoid this is to set scrub_nondigest to Yes for the list. Then the attachment will be scrubbed from all messages before digesting and archiving. Or, you can disable digests entirely for the list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to realhostname.
- Original Message --- Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virual host email from address defaulting to realhostname. From: Richard Beyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:14:04 +1000 To: 'Mark Sapiro' [EMAIL PROTECTED], mailman-users@python.org Thanks Mark, however, bin/fix_url.py tells me to use bin/withlist bin/withlist (with options as instructed) gives an error: bin/withlist -l -r lists.lcg.org.au committee The command you want is bin/withlist -l -r fix_url committee assuming 'committee is the list name. You could use bin/withlist -l -r fix_url committee -u lists.lcg.org.au but that isn't necessary as it will use DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST if you don't specify a host option. BTW, I didn't mention this in my first reply and you didn't mention it either, but assuming that the settings of DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST in Defaults.py are not 'lists.lcg.org.au', you need to put add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) following DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.lcg.org.au' in mm_cfg.py. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
Brad Knowles said the following on 5/3/2006 1:00 AM: From the Mailman side, the canonical answer is FAQ 1.26 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.026.htp. I can pretty much guarantee you that some of these things will never be integrated into Mailman. Someone could certainly take Mailman and make it a component of a system like Yahoo!Groups, and then make that system available either as a freely available package or as a paid system, but that would be beyond the scope of Mailman itself. I think the biggest thing I hear complaints about on my MM server, is that there's no way to configure a monthly rules mailing without requiring sysadmin (i.e. my) intervention with crude hacks with cronjobs and such. I've got a few lists where such monthly mailings are not just handy, they're downright required. :-/ Will there be anything forthcoming in Mailman that will let the mailing list owners set stuff like that up without requiring sysadmin intervention? Just wondering.. :) Thanks! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Forwarding old lists to new list
Is it acceptable to forward old lists that are not used anymore to one single list? Thanks, LDB -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
At 9:49 PM -0400 2006-05-03, Glenn Sieb wrote: Will there be anything forthcoming in Mailman that will let the mailing list owners set stuff like that up without requiring sysadmin intervention? Just wondering.. :) This might be something that could be addressed with Mailman3. You'd have to check the wiki and other Mailman3 resources to see if this is something that has been explicitly named as part of the plans, and you should also confirm that there is an RFE that has been filed at SourceForge. I doubt this will be addressed before Mailman3, but I might be surprised. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:11:22PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: William == William D Tallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William How does the RFC, or the writers thereof, define user? They don't. IMHO (there are those more expert than I on this list) anything that is normally expected to touch the headers or body of a message is a user for the purpose of RFC 2822. What is excluded is the mail transport system (MTAs) which are specified in RFC 2821. Okay. There is also a distinction between originators and others. Certain headers (From, Subject, Date, etc) are specified as for the use of the originator. Other headers are generally specified in terms of their semantics alone, and not according to who may use them. Okay. William An automated system is the tool of some deliberate William intent, implying (necessarily?) the will of a user, I William would think. I don't think that is the way that RFC writers in general think. Yes, so I gather. Although there is a desire for RFC 2822 headers to be intelligible to humans, and many are very useful in day-to-day work, RFCs are in the end about machine-to-machine communication. Thus the focus is on syntax so that machines can parse them without knowing what they mean, and of semantics that allow machines to make a good guess at what the humans are going to want. Okay, that follows. For example, if there is a Reply-To header, the From header should be ignored, and the Reply-To address used in composing the addressee list for a reply. However, one of the examples used IIRC is where the author of the original message is traveling and uses his own address as From (that's the identity the recipient recognizes) but Reply-To to direct the response to his host, whose email address he is borrowing. Now, a human who replies a week later will know that the boss is back home and want to reply to From but the mail client can't know that. Which means that people really should learn to use email systems intelligently, with the MUA of choice as the means of control. So a good mail client will initialize the address of a reply to the Reply-To, but provide a way for the user to override. The RFC only specifies the former, though, and only as a suggestion. Exactly how to handle this problem is a user interface issue, and the RFC remains silent on such issues. Implication here is that 'user' is a real human being, not a software agent. RFC2822, section 3.6.6 discusses re-sending fields as intended for use by a re-sending 'user'. It also specifies that these fields are for informational purposes only, and MUST NOT be used to actively manipulate the message. As a re-sender does not alter the originating fields, software presumably cannot automagically use that information to ID the source of the message, which remains the purview of the originating fields. So an email list server cannot act as a re-sender, IIUC. The alternative is that the server actually initiates a new message as a 'forwarding' agent. That means that the server must (MUST?) identify itself in the originator fields. The address of the author of the message goes in the From: field, and the address of the forwarder (the email list's originating mailbox) goes in the Sender: field, with information on responses in the Reply-To: field. As the author is not the email list server, the address of the server's mailer MUST be by itself in the Sender: field. All as per section 3.6.5. Additionally, one would think that the server is a 'forwarder' because the message it sends out is not identical to the message it receives: it adds footers, etc. IIUC, that is. Which apparently I do not, having read through the headers of a message from this list. There is no Sender: field. The first field is apparently an unstructured field with no identifier with the canonical following colon. It contains the sender (mailman-users-bounces...) and the date, presumably of sending. The second field is Return-Path: with an 'addr-spec'. The originator fields are untouched. Which means that the list server is neither a re-sender or a forwarder, I gather, and that means I don't understanding any of this at all! Or is it that the server really is a re-sender in disguise and my MUA (MDA, actually: Procmail) is forced to process this message to its final destination in my mail system illegally? As I'm (recreationally) in the process of setting up and understanding a wee Mailman server on my own system, I'd really like to understand all this, but looks like I've got a ways to go. William Or is this relevant? Yes. Sometimes such definitions are made explicitly. I don't think they exist in this case, but it's a very good idea to ask. Okay, thanks for this response! And thanks again for reading, Bill Tallman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Forwarding old lists to new list
Lawrence Bowie wrote: Is it acceptable to forward old lists that are not used anymore to one single list? I'm not sure what you're getting at or what result you want, but if you mean could you set MTA aliases for several different [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. addresses to all go to the same list as in list1: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post newlist list1-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces newlist etc. list2: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post newlist list2-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces newlist etc. there should be no problem doing that. You would probably either want to set newlist for require_explicit_destination - No or add all the old list posting addresses to acceptable_aliases -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
