[Mailman-Users] Automatic deletion of posts by non-members of a list

2006-05-25 Thread Fred Atkinson
Is there any option that can be set in Mailman so that a message by a
non-member is automatically deleted, rather that pestering the list manager
about appoving/deleting it?

I've just moved to a new site.  I had Mailman on both sites.  Since I've
gotten onto the new one, I am getting these quite frequently.  I rarely got
these before.  It's getting to be quite annoying.

Regards,



Fred

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic deletion of posts by non-members of a list

2006-05-25 Thread Tom Wolfe
There sure is, for Mailman 2.1.5 (and I belive earlier versions as
well):

go to Privacy  Sender filters  scroll down to Action to take for
postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined (near
the bottom)  set to Discard, yahoo no more pestering.

Some other good options on that page  others, look through and read
each page in the admin section.

Regards,
Tom Wolfe

On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 07:50 -0400, Fred Atkinson wrote:
 Is there any option that can be set in Mailman so that a message by a
 non-member is automatically deleted, rather that pestering the list manager
 about appoving/deleting it?
 
 I've just moved to a new site.  I had Mailman on both sites.  Since I've
 gotten onto the new one, I am getting these quite frequently.  I rarely got
 these before.  It's getting to be quite annoying.
 
 Regards,
 
 
 
 Fred
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic deletion of posts by non-members of a list

2006-05-25 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:50 AM -0400 2006-05-25, Fred Atkinson wrote:

  Is there any option that can be set in Mailman so that a message by a
  non-member is automatically deleted, rather that pestering the list manager
  about appoving/deleting it?

Deleting?  No, not really.  You could automatically discard the 
message, but that would cause some problems for people who would 
otherwise think that the message was accepted and posted to the list. 
Generally speaking, the recommended solution is to automatically 
reject such messages -- which informs the sender, and allows them to 
take appropriate action.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail debugging questions

2006-05-25 Thread Daniel, Barry K.
I have added the suggested line and the mail seems to be hitting Mailman now.  
However, the mail is bouncing.  I look in the Mailman smtp log file and it 
seems to be generating 4 emails like I expect for the 4 users of the testlist 
mailing list (A one line entry in file about something sent to 4 users, I 
forget the syntax now) however they are going to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This 
info seen in the /var/logs/maillog file).  What am I doing wrong?



From: Patrick Bogen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 5/18/2006 10:43 PM
To: Daniel, Barry K.
Cc: Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail debugging questions



On 5/18/06, Daniel, Barry K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I did rebuild the aliases file and restart Sendmail.
 The messages are arriving at the Mailman server with a @domain.gov address, 
 not @domainpriv.gov.
 How do I ensure that Sendmail is set to accept this as a local delivery 
 address?  The Mailman machine is .domainpriv.gov.

There are a couple of ways to do this with sendmail. If you have
mailertable support, you can add a rule to your mailertable like:

domain.gov local:

Or, perhaps, you can add domain.gov to sendmail's 'local-host-names' file.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail debugging questions

2006-05-25 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 5/25/06, Daniel, Barry K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have added the suggested line and the mail seems to be hitting Mailman now.
 However, the mail is bouncing.  I look in the Mailman smtp log file and it 
 seems to be
 generating 4 emails like I expect for the 4 users of the testlist mailing 
 list (A one line
 entry in file about something sent to 4 users, I forget the syntax now) 
 however they are
 going to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This info seen in the 
 /var/logs/maillog file).
 What am I doing wrong?


Can you post the applicable log entries for us? Both from Mailman's
smtp log and your /var/logs/maillog file.

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[Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman. List exists

2006-05-25 Thread Zietlow, Rob
Hello List, 

I'm running into some issues with running mailman on my system. I repeatedly
get the error message Starting mailman: Site List is missing: mailman 

I have verified this exists, I have removed the list and added the list via
command line  web interface but still get this error message.  I have
followed the FAQ steps listed for this particular message but I haven't
gotten mailman to start up.  Any insights into this would be appreciated.
Below are the steps I have taken.

Thank you

Rob 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# ./bin/rmlist mailman
Not removing archives.  Reinvoke with -a to remove them.

To finish removing your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by removing the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## mailman mailing list
mailman:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join: |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

Removing list info
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# ps auxww | grep qrunner
root 31662  0.0  0.0  1880  480 pts/2S+   09:48   0:00 grep qrunner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# bin/newlist mailman
Enter the email of the person running the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Initial mailman password:
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## mailman mailing list
mailman:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join: |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:|/u01/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe:  |/u01/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

Hit enter to notify mailman owner...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman
[FAILED]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman. List exists

2006-05-25 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 5/25/06, Zietlow, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
 Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman
 [FAILED]


Can you check to see that your /etc/init.d/mailman script is
referencing the right mailman wrappers?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman. List exists

2006-05-25 Thread Zietlow, Rob
This was it, for one reason or another the correct line was commented out
and another in it's place, it is working correctly now.  

Thank you

Rob 

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Bogen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:31 AM
To: Zietlow, Rob
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman. List exists


On 5/25/06, Zietlow, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
 Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman
 [FAILED]


Can you check to see that your /etc/init.d/mailman script is referencing the
right mailman wrappers?

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[Mailman-Users] When cloning a member clone_member

2006-05-25 Thread Terry Poperszky
Mailman 2.14

SLES 9

 

The new address retains the name information of the address that was
cloned. Anyone have a solution?

 

Terry

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[Mailman-Users] bounces are not disabling accounts

2006-05-25 Thread Steve Quezadas
I set bounce processing to on so that mailman will disable email 
accounts if they receive just once bounce. However, mailman is not 
disabling the accounts! Here are the logs from /var/log/mailman/ to show 
that it DOES know about the mail bounce:
May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) BounceRunner at -1211098548 processing 1 
queued bounces
May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) isolation-list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
bounce score: 1.0
May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) sending isolation-list list probe to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (score 1.0 = 0.9)

But shouldn't it automatically disable the account? And should it tell 
me, the administrator of the bounce?  I set all the notifications 
message options to yes. Also, the settings I set in bounce processing 
seem to be correct:
* Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing? - yes
* The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is 
disabled - .9
* The number of days after which a member's bounce information is 
discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim - 7
* How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should 
get  - 0
* The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled 
warnings - 7

The settings seem allright to me, but I see no change in the Membership 
list section. I checked google, the maillists, and the FAQs, but I 
cannot find the answer to this one, so I'm hoping someone in 
maillist-land can help me.

- Steve


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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces are not disabling accounts

2006-05-25 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 5/25/06, Steve Quezadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I set bounce processing to on so that mailman will disable email
 accounts if they receive just once bounce. However, mailman is not
 disabling the accounts! Here are the logs from /var/log/mailman/ to show
 that it DOES know about the mail bounce:
 May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) BounceRunner at -1211098548 processing 1
 queued bounces
 May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) isolation-list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 bounce score: 1.0
 May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) sending isolation-list list probe to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (score 1.0 = 0.9)


This indicates that mailman has sent a probe. IF the probe bounces, as
well, then the user should be disabled.

 But shouldn't it automatically disable the account? And should it tell
 me, the administrator of the bounce?  I set all the notifications
 message options to yes. Also, the settings I set in bounce processing

I don't know about the notifications, sorry.

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[Mailman-Users] Feature Req: Re-confirm subscription

2006-05-25 Thread Daevid Vincent
If there is a way to do this, please let me know, I didn't see anything in
the FAQ.

I also didn't see a 'bug/feature' tracking system link anywhere? 
Is there a bugzilla or anything for mailman?

---

Anyways, I have a suspicion that some of my lists' mails are not getting to
their destinations. This could be that some people used their job email and
no longer work there, could be that they are on AOL or hotmail (which seem
to just silently discard), or could be just people that joined up and now
'junk mail or filter' the list because they're either to stupid or lazy to
properly unsubscribe.

Bottom line is that I'm paying per emails sent (via my quota on DynDNS) and
I want to unsubscribe these dead members.

It would be great if I could push a button in the web GUI (or run some
command on the CLI) and mailman would reset every members status to
'unconfirmed' (or whatever it is), mail them a link to click (with some
crazy code in it like when you join a list), and then mark the responders as
'confirmed'. 

Then after some period of time, say a week or so, I could then go into the
GUI, click some link and see a list of all 'unconfirmed' people with the
option to unsubscribe them all (without sending an email obviously, since
the address is bogus).

Extra points if I can schedule this task to occur every month, every six
months, once a year, etc... (probably some 'day' interval would be
sufficient here).

ÐÆ5ÏÐ 

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[Mailman-Users] easy question on python regular expressions

2006-05-25 Thread Steve Lindemann
On the *Privacy options-Sender filters* admin page there is a non-member 
filter to *accept_these_nonmembers*.  I would like to use a regular 
expression to accept all email from a particular domain.

   ex: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Apparently I don't understand python regular expressions very well. 
Everything I try simply gets ignored when I submit the page.  Can someone 
out there *show* me what I need to use to accomplish the task.

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[Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

2006-05-25 Thread Defryn, Guy
Thanks Patrick,

I have reinstalled on FC5 but still having issues.
Postfix itself appears to be working. It sends and delivers email
correctly.

I have installed mailman. The web interface is up and running.
I have added the URL and email host to mm_cfg.py and set
MTA to Postfix. I also set up the cronjob for mailman.

I created a list called rugby through interface and subscribed myself.
The message to confirm subscription arrives just fine.
I confirmed but when posting I get an error in mail log that says
I don't exist locally.

Now this is most likely because it can't find the mailman aliases file.
This will sound stupid but I cannot find it either!! I assume that
when you create a list through interface that it adds it to the alias
file?
I did run genaliases and that generated the following error

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ./genaliases, line 116, in ?
main()
  File ./genaliases, line 106, in main
MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create
_update_maps()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
_update_maps
raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/mailman/aliases
(status:
1, Operation not permitted)



I also have the mailman list. Setup and subscription worked fine 
but when I post to list I get error that says:

 it022607.mydomain.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman

I assume that this is a permission issue?


Hope someone can give me some pointers. Being completely new to mail
sure is a steep learning curve!

Cheers











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From: Patrick Bogen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:14 PM
To: Defryn, Guy
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Install issues

On 5/24/06, Defryn, Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If someone can tell me what could possibly have caused the issues
above that would be great.

Did you go through FAQ 1.7?

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[Mailman-Users] Getting notifications for admin requests that don'e exist

2006-05-25 Thread Rob Tanner
Hi,

I have at l;east one list owner (only one list owner has complained 
anyway) who is regularly getting email from Mailman with the subject 19 
Small_centers admin request(s) waiting.  When he clicks on the link, 
the page displays There are no pending requests. Click here to reload 
this page. 

I'm presuming that the web page is correct and the email wrong (but I'm 
not sure).  Other than the web interface, how can I determine if there 
are, in fact, admin requests waiting.  And if there aren't what would be 
causing the email message to get repeatedly generated.

Thanks,
Rob


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic deletion of posts by non-members of a list

2006-05-25 Thread Peter C.S. Adams
Thus spake Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], circa 5/25/2006 9:54 AM:
 Generally speaking, the recommended solution is to automatically
 reject such messages -- which informs the sender, and allows them to
 take appropriate action.

In the old days, this was certainly true, but today, when 70-80% of all
emails on the internet are spam, you may easily find that rejecting all
those messages will (a) eat up a lot of your internet bandwidth, and (b)
exacerbate the problem by telling the sender of the message -- which will,
90% of the time, be a forged address -- that their mail was rejected.

I have a handful of lists set to reject, but most are set to discard. In
my opinion, the poster should be subscribed to the list and set to receive
mail; otherwise they should have no expectation that their message was
distributed.

 peter

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

2006-05-25 Thread Todd Zullinger
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Defryn, Guy wrote:
 I did run genaliases and that generated the following error
 
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./genaliases, line 116, in ?
 main()
   File ./genaliases, line 106, in main
 MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create
 _update_maps()
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
 _update_maps
 raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
 RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/mailman/aliases
 (status:
 1, Operation not permitted)

This is most likely FAQ 6.9:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.009.htp
I get a RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias when
creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

Check that and adjust the paths as appropriate for FC5.

 I also have the mailman list. Setup and subscription worked fine 
 but when I post to list I get error that says:
 
  it022607.mydomain.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
 /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 
 I assume that this is a permission issue?

It appears to be.  It may be caused by SELinux instead of just normal
file system permissions.  Do you have SELinux running in enforcing
mode?  Run the getenforce command as root to find out if you're
unsure.  If it's in enforcing mode, you're going to want to set it to
permissive or disable it for now as there are problems making mailman
and postfix work.  I've posted about this to the fedora-selinux-list
and not gotten any real solution yet.  I'll hopefully get a chance to
submit a bug to Fedora on this so it can get fixed, but for now, it's
a no go unless you are real adept at managing SELinux (which I think
only a very small handful of folks are).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

2006-05-25 Thread Defryn, Guy
Hi guys,

I found an older message in the archive that was similar to my issue
and all the errors where caused by selinux.

Now the aliases get nicely created.

I have submitted some messages to the list and I do not get any errors
in my mail log. However the emails don't seem to be delivered to list
members?

What other logs could provide me with any indication of what is wrong?

I am sure I made progress :-)

Cheers 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Todd Zullinger
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:15 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

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Defryn, Guy wrote:
 I did run genaliases and that generated the following error
 
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./genaliases, line 116, in ?
 main()
   File ./genaliases, line 106, in main
 MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create
 _update_maps()
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
 _update_maps
 raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
 RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/mailman/aliases
 (status:
 1, Operation not permitted)

This is most likely FAQ 6.9:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.009.htp
I get a RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias when
creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

Check that and adjust the paths as appropriate for FC5.

 I also have the mailman list. Setup and subscription worked fine 
 but when I post to list I get error that says:
 
  it022607.mydomain.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
 /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 
 I assume that this is a permission issue?

It appears to be.  It may be caused by SELinux instead of just normal
file system permissions.  Do you have SELinux running in enforcing
mode?  Run the getenforce command as root to find out if you're
unsure.  If it's in enforcing mode, you're going to want to set it to
permissive or disable it for now as there are problems making mailman
and postfix work.  I've posted about this to the fedora-selinux-list
and not gotten any real solution yet.  I'll hopefully get a chance to
submit a bug to Fedora on this so it can get fixed, but for now, it's
a no go unless you are real adept at managing SELinux (which I think
only a very small handful of folks are).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] auto-approve patch

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jim Popovitch wrote:

At one time (2.1.7?) there was an auto-approve patch that allowed for 
subscriptions to be automatically approved for certain domains.  Is 
there an update for 2.1.8?  I searched high and low for references to it 
but could not locate anything.


It's at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=403066group_id=103atid=350103.
 You couldn't find it either because it's an RFE and not a patch, even
though it includes a patch, or because its status is Closed. It is
Closed because it has been included in the trunk for Mailman 2.2.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

2006-05-25 Thread Defryn, Guy
Doh! After rebooting I did not start the processes again 
Seems to work now

-Original Message-
From: Defryn, Guy 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:24 PM
To: 'Mailman-users@python.org'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

Hi guys,

I found an older message in the archive that was similar to my issue
and all the errors where caused by selinux.

Now the aliases get nicely created.

I have submitted some messages to the list and I do not get any errors
in my mail log. However the emails don't seem to be delivered to list
members?

What other logs could provide me with any indication of what is wrong?

I am sure I made progress :-)

Cheers 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Todd Zullinger
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:15 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

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Defryn, Guy wrote:
 I did run genaliases and that generated the following error
 
 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File ./genaliases, line 116, in ?
 main()
   File ./genaliases, line 106, in main
 MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet)
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create
 _update_maps()
   File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in
 _update_maps
 raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
 RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /etc/mailman/aliases
 (status:
 1, Operation not permitted)

This is most likely FAQ 6.9:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.009.htp
I get a RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias when
creating lists and Postfix is my MTA

Check that and adjust the paths as appropriate for FC5.

 I also have the mailman list. Setup and subscription worked fine 
 but when I post to list I get error that says:
 
  it022607.mydomain.com #5.0.0 X-Postfix; Command died with status 1:
 /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 
 I assume that this is a permission issue?

It appears to be.  It may be caused by SELinux instead of just normal
file system permissions.  Do you have SELinux running in enforcing
mode?  Run the getenforce command as root to find out if you're
unsure.  If it's in enforcing mode, you're going to want to set it to
permissive or disable it for now as there are problems making mailman
and postfix work.  I've posted about this to the fedora-selinux-list
and not gotten any real solution yet.  I'll hopefully get a chance to
submit a bug to Fedora on this so it can get fixed, but for now, it's
a no go unless you are real adept at managing SELinux (which I think
only a very small handful of folks are).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Install issues

2006-05-25 Thread Todd Zullinger
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Defryn, Guy wrote:
 Doh! After rebooting I did not start the processes again 
 Seems to work now

Cool.

If you want to be sure the services start at each boot on a RH/Fedora
system, use chkconfig to turn them on.  For postfix and mailman:

# chkconfig postfix on
# chkconfig mailman on

(Sorry if that's glaringly obvious already. :)

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[Mailman-Users] follow up: help request: new 1300 member list results inmostly bounces

2006-05-25 Thread Nathan
After getting some advice from the list - specifically Mark - last 
week, I asked the hosting provider if there was in fact some limit on 
outgoing mail, or some other setting on their end which might be 
causing the bounces I'm getting. (see previous post for details, but 
basically, I set up a new mailman list with around 1300 subscribers and 
as best I could tell - without going through ALL of them one by one - 
most bounced. I did sample 30 addresses, of which 29 bounced).

Below is the response from the host. They seem to feel it's all on the 
recipient's end. Does this make sense? or is it passing the buck?

They suggest sending out 10-15 emails at a time - is there a way to set 
mailman up to do this? (and would there be a point?)

Thanks again for your help.

Nathan

 There is really no cap as to how many emails you can send out. 
 However, the more you send out at one time the more likelly they are 
 to bounce. It has nothing to do with Globaltap, it has alot to do with 
 the servers that are recieving the email. There is a marker in the 
 email that marks it as bulk. Most servers including Globaltaps often 
 rejects those emails to protect their/our customers from spam. Comcast 
 and aol also do the same thing. For the most part most mail servers 
 use the same filters and black lists. So the more mail you send out at 
 one time the more likelly that most of them will get rejected by 
 recieving server and bounce. It also creates a possiblity that an 
 entire ip block will get black listed. Which means that ALL your mail 
 will get rejected, but also ALL other of our customers on the same ip 
 block as you will get black listed as well.
 I'm sure you have a valid subscriber list, but the recieving server 
 has no way of knowing that. For all they know you're just another guy 
 peddling viagra. OK, there are options. 1. You can set up to send out 
 no more then 10-15 emails at a time. 2. There is an organization that 
 can certify your email as not spam. The ceritification is inserted in 
 to the header of your email and then the bulk delivery should get 
 accepted by most other servers, but still not all. And the 
 cerification isn't free.

 Most hosting services frown on people who send out large bulk emails. 
 It tends to cause problems for other customers and it takes alot of 
 time to clean up the mess plus explain to other customers why they are 
 not able to send mail for upto a week.
 In those cases you could be held liable for the clean up and loss of 
 revenue.
   

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Re: [Mailman-Users] need help for all list members to show in To header

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
stephen jackson wrote:

Is there a way to have all list members show up in the same To field in an
email sent to a list, instead of just a single individual? One of our
customers is wanting to see all the users that receive a particular message.


There is no such option in Mailman. I think in part at least, the
reason no one responded to your post last week is that this seems
contrary to the whole idea of a mailing list manager.

It could be done by modifying Mailman code, but most people object to
receiving a post with a To: header as long as or (much) longer than
the message body.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] follow up: help request: new 1300 member list results inmostly bounces

2006-05-25 Thread Todd Zullinger
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Nathan wrote:
 Below is the response from the host. They seem to feel it's all on
 the recipient's end. Does this make sense? or is it passing the
 buck?
[...]
 They suggest sending out 10-15 emails at a time - is there a way to
 set mailman up to do this? (and would there be a point?)

The SMTP_MAX_RCPTS setting can control the number of emails sent at a
time.  Others with more experience can comment on the worth of doing
this.

 There is a marker in the email that marks it as bulk. Most servers
 including Globaltaps often rejects those emails to protect
 their/our customers from spam.  Comcast and aol also do the same
 thing.

I have a Comcast address and I receive a lot of mail from mailman run
lists which contain the Precedence: bulk header.  If Globaltap is
saying that most servers reject mail with those headers I think
they're wrong on that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making set delivery off default for new users

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tom Wolfe wrote:

Hello -- I imagine this is a strange request, but I'm wondering if it is
possible to set the options of a new member with default of set delivery
off?


No, there is no way to default delivery to 'off'.


E.g., if they are subscribing by email, would something like the following
be possible:

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
subscribe
set delivery off


Actually, I think it might work, but only if the list allows fully open
(no confirmation/no approval) subscribes because in order to set
delivery off, you have to be a member and authenticate, so you might do

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:

  subscribe password
  set authenticate password
  set delivery off

but if the subscribe is waiting confirmation or approval, the set
commands will fail. Also, you have to provide the password for the
subscribe so you know what it is for the set authenticate.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error when upgrading versions

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeff DeReus wrote:

Hello again,
currently running mailman 2.1.5 on FC3 with sendmail and apache.  doing a
test configure and install on a copy of my current mailing list
configuration. I am getting the error

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File bin/update, line 50, in ?
from Mailman import Utils
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 344, in ?
def MakeRandomPassword(length=mm_cfg.MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH):
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH'
make: *** [update] Error 1

I had configured with

./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman
/tmp/usr/local/mailman


Should this be

./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mailman
--prefix=/tmp/usr/local/mailman


If anyone would have any idea as to the source of this problem, any
information would be greatly appreciated.


The source of this problem is Defaults.py doesn't have a definition for
MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH (i.e., it's not the proper version) or
mm_cfg.py is missing

from Defaults import *

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Batch member attributes

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

On 5/24/06, Benjamin Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Isn't there something like a shell script for the withlist console? It
 would really be cool to be able to apply those commands to all lists at
 once, or, at least, to a particular list using a single command.

FAQ 03.016 has a good example of how to use withlist like this:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.016.htp


And

bin/withlist --help

also gives examples of using withlist with a script file.

Applying a script that needs the list locked to all lists (with the
'-a' option to withlist) is tricky because 'withlist -a' only unlocks
the last list so the script needs to do the unlocking. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049447.html
for a sample script that works whether or not you specify '-l' to
withlist.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] When cloning a member clone_member

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Terry Poperszky wrote:

The new address retains the name information of the address that was
cloned. Anyone have a solution?


It's by design. clone_member is primarily intended for changing a
member's address.

Perhaps you could use add_members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces are not disabling accounts

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

On 5/25/06, Steve Quezadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This indicates that mailman has sent a probe. IF the probe bounces, as
well, then the user should be disabled.


Patrick is correct. If

VERP_PROBES = Yes

in mm_cfg.py, when the score reaches threshold, a probe is sent and the
score is reset to 0. The user's delivery is only disabled if the probe
bounces.


 But shouldn't it automatically disable the account? And should it tell
 me, the administrator of the bounce?  I set all the notifications
 message options to yes. Also, the settings I set in bounce processing

I don't know about the notifications, sorry.


Here too, the notice is only sent for the probe bounce. If the probes
don't bounce, there's no notice and no disable.

Probes can fail to bounce for several reasons. If the bounce is full
mailbox, the probe may be small enough to fit. The VERP like token in
the probe may cause delivery problems. Also, there is the insidious
problem that the probe token is a normal 'pending confirmation' with a
lifetime of PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE (default 3 days). If the bounce is
for some 'retryable' reason like a DNS timeout, server connect time
out, etc., the probe may not bounce for say 5 days in which case the
token may have expired and the probe bounce will never be recorded.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] easy question on python regular expressions

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steve Lindemann wrote:

I would like to use a regular 
expression to accept all email from a particular domain.

   ex: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can someone 
out there *show* me what I need to use to accomplish the task.


[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting notifications for admin requests that don'eexist

2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rob Tanner wrote:

I have at l;east one list owner (only one list owner has complained 
anyway) who is regularly getting email from Mailman with the subject 19 
Small_centers admin request(s) waiting.  When he clicks on the link, 
the page displays There are no pending requests. Click here to reload 
this page. 

I'm presuming that the web page is correct and the email wrong (but I'm 
not sure).  Other than the web interface, how can I determine if there 
are, in fact, admin requests waiting.


bin/dumpdb lists/listname/request.pck


And if there aren't what would be 
causing the email message to get repeatedly generated.


A crontab still running the cron/checkdbs job from a prior
install/version in a different location.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making set delivery off default for new users

2006-05-25 Thread Tom Wolfe
Thanks Mark, I came to the same conclusion and have made a hack that
might do the job (emphasis on hack, not so much on the might do the
job!) Members would sign up via a php form that later uses their
username and password to set delivery off after they've confirmed. A
little weird and maybe risky, but it's the easiest thing that came to
mind.

Regards,
Tom Wolfe 

On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 20:57 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Tom Wolfe wrote:
 
 Hello -- I imagine this is a strange request, but I'm wondering if it is
 possible to set the options of a new member with default of set delivery
 off?
 
 
 No, there is no way to default delivery to 'off'.
 
 
 E.g., if they are subscribing by email, would something like the following
 be possible:
 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:
 subscribe
 set delivery off
 
 
 Actually, I think it might work, but only if the list allows fully open
 (no confirmation/no approval) subscribes because in order to set
 delivery off, you have to be a member and authenticate, so you might do
 
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject:
 
   subscribe password
   set authenticate password
   set delivery off
 
 but if the subscribe is waiting confirmation or approval, the set
 commands will fail. Also, you have to provide the password for the
 subscribe so you know what it is for the set authenticate.
 

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