[Mailman-Users] Web based interface not working
I try and use the login of ... server.domain.tld/mailman/admin/listname I have a list called everyone and leasing. I cannot login as administrator and edit the list, nor can I respond to administrative alerts which are sent to me as the administrator. I'm getting admin mail which looks like this ... The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has 6 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://mail.corporates.com/mailman/admindb/everyone Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. When I click on the link to go to the web interface - I get the following message ... Safari can¹t open the page ³http://mail.corporates.com/mailman/admindb/everyone² because it could not connect to the server ³mail.corporates.com². Anyone have any suggestions? Please. Jon @ corporates.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Throttling output
I may have a need to throttle the output of a list which sends out about 22,000 emails when called upon. I have tried the milter-limit from Snert, and it seems to work, but since this is designed mostly for incoming-limits as opposed to outgoing, I'm not sure what the consequences are for Mailman. I have run a test on this to verify some sense of proof-of-concept, but only a mild test, before questions starting being raised. I have taken the questions as far as possible with the milter-limit pros, and now need to confirm how Mailman might be handling this. The scenario is like this: I set an output limit for the Mailman user through the milter (messages/time limit). I then send an announcement to the large-member list to be distributed. Mainman generates the outgoing email, and the milter takes over and throttles the output based on the messages/time limit setting. A lot of this depends on how Mailman generates the outgoing email and how it will respond to the temporary failures for retry. This works on the very simple test of setting 2 messages per 10 minutes, and having sent 3 separate emails. The throttle worked (minus Mailman output). But what will Mailman do when I send to 20,000 and the milter starts temp-failing after the limit is reached? Does it see these as bounces? Will it insert the pending emails into the sendmail queue or fail? Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Thanks for anything offered. Steve Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charleston Newspapers -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] edit held messages
Hello, Is it posible to configure mailman to edit mails waiting for approval ? thx. Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Using Mailman as list-admin
Hello, I just installed mailman and now I want to create some lists, but I want to use mailman more or less as a distribution-list-admin-tool + mail-archive. So I want to - create the listmembers (no welcome-message should be seent to them) - only I am allowed to send mail to the list (is there a web-interface to do this?) - no mails to listmembers like don't forget: you are registered to the list xxx ... is this possible? what option do I have to look for! thanks for any help! michi -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman as list-admin
On 13 Jun 2006 14:10:42 -, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - create the listmembers (no welcome-message should be seent to them) http://host/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname/members/add Choose 'No' for 'Send welcome messages...' and 'Send notifications...' - only I am allowed to send mail to the list (is there a web-interface to do this?) http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp - no mails to listmembers like don't forget: you are registered to the list xxx ... http://host/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/listname/general 'send_reminders' set to 'No' -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On 6/13/06, Steve Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But what will Mailman do when I send to 20,000 and the milter starts temp-failing after the limit is reached? Does it see these as bounces? Will it insert the pending emails into the sendmail queue or fail? Assuming your MTA returns a failure code indicating a temporary failure (a 400-series error? someone correct me if I'm wrong...), mailman should drop the message into the 'retry' queue and try again some time (fifteen minutes?) later. Realize, of course, that unless your MTA is limiting by number of recipients, each mailman 'mail' may include several hundred recipients (unless you've turned on personalization. Which, for a 20,000 member list, probably isn't a very good idea). -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On 6/13/06, Haluk Durmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it posible to configure mailman to edit mails waiting for approval ? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp (P.S. to our FAQ managing-type folks: A search for 'edit held' or 'edit held message' didn't bring up this FAQ entry, with the default search settings. Switching to 'keywords (any)' worked alright. I'm not sure if this is considered an issue.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Web based interface not working
On 6/13/06, jon lanclos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mail.corporates.com/mailman/admindb/everyone snip Safari can¹t open the page ³http://mail.corporates.com/mailman/admindb/everyone² because it could not connect to the server ³mail.corporates.com². Assuming that 'mail.corporates.com' is, in fact, the correct hostname for your mail server, it would seem like you aren't running Apache (or some other web server) to provide access to the web interface. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:46:24 -0500 Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/06, Haluk Durmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it posible to configure mailman to edit mails waiting for approval ? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp (P.S. to our FAQ managing-type folks: A search for 'edit held' or 'edit held message' didn't bring up this FAQ entry, with the default search settings. Switching to 'keywords (any)' worked alright. I'm not sure if this is considered an issue.) -- - Patrick Bogen I'm looking for a chance to do it with the admin interface. Forwarding mails and then reforwarding mail or editing the mails on filesystem, is not very userfriedly and not practicable for our use. thanks, Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On 6/13/06, Haluk Durmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a chance to do it with the admin interface. As far as I know, there is currently no way to do this. (The previously linked FAQ entry corroborates this.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
Patrick Bogen wrote: (P.S. to our FAQ managing-type folks: A search for 'edit held' or 'edit held message' didn't bring up this FAQ entry, with the default search settings. Switching to 'keywords (any)' worked alright. I'm not sure if this is considered an issue.) Two things here. We are all FAQ maintainers. The FAQ is maintained by the community on the honor system, much like a wiki. The password is right there on the bottom of every page. Regarding search, I don't think this is an issue. If you search for edit held as a simple string and the entry does not contain that exact string (because it contains edit a held message), it won't match. That's why you have the option to say your search entry is individual words to match (Keywords any or all), or a regular expression. If you are suggesting that the term Simple string would better be described as Exact phrase or something similar, you may be correct, but getting this actually changed on python.org is a 'windmill' I'll leave to someone else. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
Patrick Bogen wrote: On 6/13/06, Haluk Durmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a chance to do it with the admin interface. As far as I know, there is currently no way to do this. (The previously linked FAQ entry corroborates this.) But it is on the ToDo list http://www.list.org/todo.html. We know that the methods in the FAQ are not a solution to the problem, but currently that's all there is. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
At 3:17 PM +0200 2006-06-13, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? I think that this would require a second MTA instance -- the first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) would simply take everything that Mailman gives it and then store that in the queue. This would be different from a normal sendmail (or other MTA) configuration, where immediate delivery would normally be attempted. Then, additional queue runners are called to start processing that queue and pushing those messages out, but they go through an additional instance of sendmail, where the throttling milter is used. You would also need to make sure that the first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) is not configured to generate Delivery Status Notices (DSNs) for delayed messages, because you know for a fact that some messages are going to be delayed for a significant period of time, and you don't want those kinds of warnings clouding the picture for Mailman. And I'm sure there are other factors or issues to be considered, although I haven't thought of any others off the top of my head. This is a complex problem, which is why Mailman has not attempted to deal with this issue in the past. If you're running a large list, I still firmly believe that you should be hosting that list at a provider where you are not required to do any throttling. If you do have to do throttling, then you're hosting your list at the wrong place. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:27:10 -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Bogen wrote: On 6/13/06, Haluk Durmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a chance to do it with the admin interface. As far as I know, there is currently no way to do this. (The previously linked FAQ entry corroborates this.) But it is on the ToDo list http://www.list.org/todo.html. We know that the methods in the FAQ are not a solution to the problem, but currently that's all there is. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ... so I must implemet it selfe four our use. But its nice to know that there will be soon a professional solution. thank you very much, Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On 6/13/06, Steve Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The failure code is 450 4.7.1. I would probably set the SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = some very small number also to allow only small amounts at one time. So, assuming that the milter works properly, and it takes one hundred loops for the milter to process the entire retry queue over a given time interval, would Mailman be OK with this? As I see it, the first run through the milter, 99% of the original email would still not go out, then the second run would be 98% of the original, etc. Is this going to cause Mailman to give up on some of the emails that are last in line and flag them in any way? I think it should be alright. Mailman's logic says that, if it's a temporary failure, AND none of the recipients could be delivered, AND mm_cfg.DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD has passed (5 days, in my Defaults.py), then the message will be discarded. The default DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT is 1 hour, so that gives you 120 chances. Shorten the retry to, say, 5 minutes, and you get 1440 chances. If you deliver, say, 25 mails per five minutes (if you can configure it that way), then you get to send 36,000 mails. Overlapping mails might be a problem. (All told, a better solution is to configure your MTA (even if it's an MTA local to the mailman machine) to accept them all for delivery, and then throttle it there. The MTA is better equipped for this, since Mailman doesn't know about throttling, it's not going to blink if it thinks it's the right idea to discard the message at some point.) (P.S., please CC the list on all replies.) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On 6/13/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are all FAQ maintainers. The FAQ is maintained by the community on the honor system, much like a wiki. The password is right there on the bottom of every page. I never noticed it there. That would've been quite helpful the one or two times I felt driven to tweak the FAQ. If you are suggesting that the term Simple string would better be described as Exact phrase or something similar, you may be correct, but getting this actually changed on python.org is a 'windmill' I'll leave to someone else. Understood. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
Bernd, - Original Message - From: Bernd Petrovitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? This originally sounded like a too-simple-to-work idea, but after thinking about it, it may be the best. If you mean QueueGroups with a separate runner for this particular list, then the milter would handle the throttle of the runner and relieve Mailman of the outgoing problems. It would really give me a little more control because of the sleep time of the queue runner along with the milter throttle. This will be a multiple-list server and only one or two lists would require the slowdown/pacing. Sounds great. In fact, this is sort of what the Milter people suggested without the milter, although I didn't see where the throttling would occur. Thanks Steve Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
Haluk Durmus wrote: ... so I must implemet it selfe four our use. But its nice to know that there will be soon a professional solution. If you are going to do this yourself, the quickest way to get this into the base is to contribute your changes back. While some of us may be professional programmers, we are all just volunteers when it comes to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:42:58 -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haluk Durmus wrote: ... so I must implemet it selfe four our use. But its nice to know that there will be soon a professional solution. If you are going to do this yourself, the quickest way to get this into the base is to contribute your changes back. While some of us may be professional programmers, we are all just volunteers when it comes to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan you are right ! May by I should then firt ask in Mailman Developers, if there is some on who is currently working on this task regards, Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit held messages
Haluk Durmus you are right ! May by I should then firt ask in Mailman Developers, if there is some on who is currently working on this task There is an RFE at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1198375group_id=103atid=350103. It is currently unassigned, but it would certainly be worth asking on Mailman Developers to see if anyone is now working on it or is interested in working on it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4
I have more than a dozen lists running in Mailman 2.1.4 on my Xserve, all running fine, except that now on just one list I'm unable to access the admin pages. The list is still sending messages okay, individual subscribers can access their subscription options, archives are fine, etc. -- but I get an error after trying to sign in with my admin password. It's processing the admin password, because if I intentionally type the wrong one, I get the authorization failed message. But if I type the correct password, I get a Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 message -- starts out like this: begin copy Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 200, in main mlist.Save() File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 526, in Save self.__save(dict) File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 498, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/disciples/config.pck.last' end copy Any suggestions on working around this? Admin pages for all other lists on the same server are working fine! Bob -- == Bob Bergey -- 215-527-1048 -- Perkasie, PA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet Services for the Printing Industry http://www.printweb.org/ Web Hosting E-Mail Services: BERGEY.NEThttp://www.bergey.net/ == -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Web based interface not working
On 6/13/06 12:24 AM, jon lanclos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I click on the link to go to the web interface - I get the following message ... Safari can¹t open the page ³http://mail.corporates.com/mailman/admindb/everyone² because it could not connect to the server ³mail.corporates.com². In Terminal, type the command host mail.corporates.com Do you get back a sensible address? From here, I get # host mail.corporates.com mail.corporates.com has address 216.61.158.217 but things might be set up so that you get a different, LAN-based address. From here, port 80 connections to 216.61.158.217 are immediately refused, but that might very well make sense if use of that server is restricted. # telnet 216.61.158.217 80 Trying 216.61.158.217... telnet: connect to address 216.61.158.217: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused If Safari gets the same sort of response from its connection attempt (also a telnet, although that's hidden from you), you are seeing the proper display of the error by Safari. --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.4
Bob Bergey wrote: I have more than a dozen lists running in Mailman 2.1.4 on my Xserve, all running fine, except that now on just one list I'm unable to access the admin pages. The list is still sending messages okay, individual subscribers can access their subscription options, archives are fine, etc. -- but I get an error after trying to sign in with my admin password. It's processing the admin password, because if I intentionally type the wrong one, I get the authorization failed message. But if I type the correct password, I get a Bug in Mailman 2.1.4 message -- starts out like this: begin copy Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 200, in main mlist.Save() File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 526, in Save self.__save(dict) File /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 498, in __save os.unlink(fname_last) OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: '/private/var/mailman/lists/disciples/config.pck.last' end copy Is there a /private/var/mailman/lists/disciples/config.pck.last file? What are its permissions? Are they the same as /private/var/mailman/lists/disciples/config.pck? How do these compare with another list? Mailman is in the process of saving the list config. It is in the last step. It has saved the config to config.pck.tmp.host.pid and is trying to do the equivalent of rm config.pck.last mv config.pck config.pck.last mv config.pck.tmp.host.pid config.pck and it gets the exception on the first step. Are there more errors like this in Mailman's error log? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Steve Campbell wrote: Bernd, - Original Message - From: Bernd Petrovitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? This originally sounded like a too-simple-to-work idea, but after thinking about it, it may be the best. If you mean QueueGroups with a separate runner for this particular list, then the milter would handle the throttle of the runner and relieve Mailman of the outgoing problems. It would really give me a little more control because of the sleep time of the queue runner along with the milter throttle. This will be a multiple-list server and only one or two lists would require the slowdown/pacing. Sounds great. In fact, this is sort of what the Milter people suggested without the milter, although I didn't see where the throttling would occur. Thanks Steve Actually, that's exactly what we did. We had a tiny sun ultra10 and ended up supporting a list of some 12,000 people. Aside from the standard tuning you'll read about in the Sendmail Performance Tuning book by Christenson, I set up multiple queues limiting the maxquerunsize. 'Course now we're turning to linux and are considering using postfix instead but the theory is the same. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David SternUniversity of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
At 1:22 PM -0400 2006-06-13, Dave Stern wrote: 'Course now we're turning to linux and are considering using postfix instead but the theory is the same. Out-of-the-box, I believe that postfix is a better MTA to use for hosting mailing lists, because configuring sendmail to work well in that kind of environment can be tedious. That said, the more filtering you do, the more I believe that sendmail can be made to outperform all other general-purpose MTAs on the planet. I currently use postfix at the two main sites that I help to administer (ntp.isc.org and python.org), and we've got quite a bit of filtering that we've set up, but I am confident that we could do at least as well (or better) if we were using sendmail instead. Of course, I'm a bit biased -- I was technical reviewer for Nick's book, and he was my co-author for a couple of invited talks I did on the subject of building large-scale e-mail systems, and he and I are now involved in another project. Sendmail, postfix, and Exim are all good MTAs. For 99.% of what any site is likely to do, any of these programs should be more than adequate. You should choose one of these programs based on your familiarity with the packages, the level of support you can get from your co-workers and the community, any requirements you may have for certain specific features, etc But when considering switching hardware platforms, OSes, or MTAs, you should look at whether it makes sense to change all three of those factors at the same time, or if you should instead look at each one independently to see which one gives you the most bang for your buck. My guess is that Solaris 10 with ZFS on hardware of comparable performance (especially the I/O subsystem), will run rings around most anything else. Postfix might be easier to maintain, and perform better out-of-the-box than sendmail, but if you're doing a lot of filtering (which most modern medium-to-large scale sites have to do in order to survive), then I strongly suspect that sendmail+milter is going to be able to be configured to meet or beat the performance you could get out of an equivalently configured postfix installation. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
Thus spake Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], circa 6/13/2006 2:14 PM: Sendmail, postfix, and Exim are all good MTAs. For 99.% of what any site is likely to do, any of these programs should be more than adequate. Brad, any thoughts on LSMTP from L-Soft? Thanks, peter -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
At 2:39 PM -0400 2006-06-13, Peter C.S. Adams wrote: Thus spake Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], circa 6/13/2006 2:14 PM: Sendmail, postfix, and Exim are all good MTAs. For 99.% of what any site is likely to do, any of these programs should be more than adequate. Brad, any thoughts on LSMTP from L-Soft? Listserv is a very good mailing list server, probably one of the best on the planet. But it is damn bloody expensive, as is LSMTP. But if you've got the money, I don't know of any better combination in this field. But that's only for mailing lists. That doesn't do anything for general-purpose Internet e-mail activities. Moreover, I don't know what kind of filtering they're doing on inbound processing, which is a very important factor for mailing lists these days. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mailman locking up with too many files open
Hello, I've been running a mailman list (for broadcast only) lately, and recently had a post that jammed up the system. Mailman would respond to other list requests, but the admin pages for the list in question would not appear, and the list itself was unresponsive. This is the error message that I see throughout the error log: Jun 12 20:15:28 2006 qrunner(8679): libkrb5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files in system Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ? Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 94, in _oneloop Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 158, in files Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): OSError : [Errno 23] Too many open files in system: '/var/mailman/qfiles/news' mailto:mailman-users@python.org Three changes may have contributed to this problem: 1. list went from 4000 to 6800 members 2. the email sent out had a somewhat large attachement (~300k) 3. I recently turned on footer customization to allow user-specific unsubscribe instructions at the bottom. It seems like I should either: 1. increase max-open-file limit on system or 2. turn off footer customization (if this would, in fact, solve the problem) Any help or advice much appreciated. Ian -- Ian Johnson, MoiaGroup [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.moiagroup.com Phone: 520-628-1654 Fax: 520-628-1717 AOLIM, Yahoo: ianjohn27 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] attachments created by Mailman?
I would be ever so grateful if someone can help me with this. I've spent many hours -- days, actually -- setting up a one-way newsletter. Everything now works fine, except -- when I send an HTML email, Mailman seems to duplicate my images (which I have NOT included as attachments--they're hosted on the Web) and send them along as attachments. I'm afraid that my subscribers won't even want to open my newsletter when they see what appear to be attachments. The files look like this: image6.gif ( 0.01 MB), image7.gif ( 0.01 MB), image8.gif ( 0.01 MB), image9.gif (0.01 MB), image10.gif ( 0.01 MB), image11.jpg (0.02 MB), image12.jpg (0.01 MB) The file names you see here were created by the software. They DO NOT show up when I open a copy in my Outlook Express client--but I do get the paper clip attachment icon beside the email in the list view. I got these file names by sending a copy to my Hotmail account, where they do appear. Since the newsletter is to advertise my latest artwork, I do need to send at least a couple of images! I tried configuring the content filtering, but it's a bit over my head, and I only managed to strip the html. Connie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
David, Thanks for the reply. - Original Message - From: Dave Stern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Steve Campbell wrote: Bernd, - Original Message - From: Bernd Petrovitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailman-users@python.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? This originally sounded like a too-simple-to-work idea, but after thinking about it, it may be the best. If you mean QueueGroups with a separate runner for this particular list, then the milter would handle the throttle of the runner and relieve Mailman of the outgoing problems. It would really give me a little more control because of the sleep time of the queue runner along with the milter throttle. This will be a multiple-list server and only one or two lists would require the slowdown/pacing. Sounds great. In fact, this is sort of what the Milter people suggested without the milter, although I didn't see where the throttling would occur. Thanks Steve Actually, that's exactly what we did. We had a tiny sun ultra10 and ended up supporting a list of some 12,000 people. Aside from the standard tuning you'll read about in the Sendmail Performance Tuning book by Christenson, I set up multiple queues limiting the maxquerunsize. I am seeing how the MAX_QUEUE_RUN_SIZE thing might work and replace the milter. There sure is a lot of sendmail configuration things to discover. If you don't mind, can you explain some things for me, based on how you did this, please? I've been trying to read the Sendmail docs (I really need the Cookbook I think), and based on what I see: 1 - I could define the queue groups based on sender address, queueonly style, but then all of the queues are queueonly, as this is a 'global' option? The Delivery Mode is for all queues, defined once? Not a problem, though, as the differing queuerunners would handle the smaller lists just fine. 2 - The queuerunners are defined with a specific time interval somewhere in the sendmail config file, and Sendmail will run these without startup queue scripts? This one is really hazy for me as there are quite a few differing topics out there that don't really specify a Sendmail version. It appears the queues on 8.12 are quite different from 8.13, based on the facilities that Sendmail provides. I have upgraded one server to 8.13 just to see the differences. 3 - And finally, the MAX_QUEUE_RUN_SIZE would only send out whatever it is set to until the next queue runner runs? The setting defines how many envelopes are processed until the next queue run and this becomes the throttle? Thanks for any help Steve 'Course now we're turning to linux and are considering using postfix instead but the theory is the same. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David SternUniversity of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman locking up with too many files open
Ian Johnson wrote: I've been running a mailman list (for broadcast only) lately, and recently had a post that jammed up the system. Mailman would respond to other list requests, but the admin pages for the list in question would not appear, and the list itself was unresponsive. This is the error message that I see throughout the error log: Jun 12 20:15:28 2006 qrunner(8679): libkrb5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: Too many open files in system Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 270, in ? Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 230, in main Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 70, in run Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 94, in _oneloop Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 158, in files Jun 12 20:15:31 2006 qrunner(8769): OSError : [Errno 23] Too many open files in system: '/var/mailman/qfiles/news' It seems like there are missing lines in the above trace. Did you grep on date? Anyway, Switchboard is trying to obtain the contents of the 'news' queue when the error occurs (this time - is it always this?). Presumably, this is NewsRunner. It seems highly unlikely that this specific occurrence has anything to do with a specific list. Three changes may have contributed to this problem: 1. list went from 4000 to 6800 members 2. the email sent out had a somewhat large attachement (~300k) 3. I recently turned on footer customization to allow user-specific unsubscribe instructions at the bottom. None of these is likely to be the immediate cause. It seems like I should either: 1. increase max-open-file limit on system What is the limit now? or 2. turn off footer customization (if this would, in fact, solve the problem) I doubt this would help. Have you tried 'mailmanctl restart'? How many runners are running? Do you need to clean up from prior multiple starts? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.068.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments created by Mailman?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything now works fine, except -- when I send an HTML email, Mailman seems to duplicate my images (which I have NOT included as attachments--they're hosted on the Web) and send them along as attachments. I'm afraid that my subscribers won't even want to open my newsletter when they see what appear to be attachments. The files look like this: image6.gif ( 0.01 MB), image7.gif ( 0.01 MB), image8.gif ( 0.01 MB), image9.gif (0.01 MB), image10.gif ( 0.01 MB), image11.jpg (0.02 MB), image12.jpg (0.01 MB) The file names you see here were created by the software. They DO NOT show up when I open a copy in my Outlook Express client--but I do get the paper clip attachment icon beside the email in the list view. I got these file names by sending a copy to my Hotmail account, where they do appear. You are emailing a web page including all it's content. I.e. the links to the graphics are not being preserved as links to your web site, but rather the content of those links is being included in the mail. Whether or not these show as 'attachments' in addition to being shown as images in the rendered HTML is a function of the email client (MUA) used to read the mail. It has nothing to do with Mailman as you can see from the hotmail copy (presumably sent directly, not via the list). You have to create your email with links to the content on your web site, not with imbedded images. This is a function of how you create the mail. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 10:18 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: At 3:17 PM +0200 2006-06-13, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 09:06 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Does anyone have a suggestion for throttling? Just store the 22.000 outgoing mails in the mail queue (every decent MTA should be able to do that unconditionally) and wait for the next queue run? I think that this would require a second MTA instance -- the You want that probably anyway since you probably don't want your MTA accept 22.000 emails on a public interface in one rush (and I actually don't remember out of my head how mailman really inject mails. 1 mail with a long list of rcpt-to:?). first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) would simply take everything that Mailman gives it and then store that in the queue. This would be different from a normal sendmail (or other MTA) configuration, where immediate delivery would normally be attempted. Yes. But normally you don't throw 22.000 emails at once on your MTA. And if you do this normally, you shouldn't need any throttling or other special behaviour at all - just enough hardware. Then, additional queue runners are called to start processing that queue and pushing those messages out, but they go through an additional instance of sendmail, where the throttling milter is used. Just limit/throttle the MTA itself (sendmail has several options for this like number of proceses, etc. and I assume that other MTAs like postfix, exim, qmail allow this too in similar ways). You would also need to make sure that the first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) is not configured to generate Delivery Status Notices (DSNs) for delayed messages, because you know for a fact that some messages are going to be delayed for a significant period of time, and you don't want those kinds of warnings clouding the picture for Mailman. Of course. But the standard/usual delay of 4 hours or so should be large enough though (and I don't see a problem in raising that limit). And I'm sure there are other factors or issues to be considered, although I haven't thought of any others off the top of my head. Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 11:39 -0400, Steve Campbell wrote: [...] Sounds great. In fact, this is sort of what the Milter people suggested without the milter, although I didn't see where the throttling would occur. First you throw the 22.000 mail in the mail queue. And the normal queue run will deliver these emails + all others in the queue. So you probably want to limit the queue runner anyways (say not more than 100 - or whatever works good enough - concurrent processes delivering email). So the throttling is done within the MTA - your host is delivering only 100 emails in parallel. If every mail takes around 10s, you need around 36 minutes to deliver (or at least try to) all emails. YMMV ... Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Aliases not working
I have been getting rid of lists lately and I need to forward old lists to the new lists. I am using mailman 2.1.6 and the forwards are not working. I also recently upgraded the OS from Debian to SuSE 10.0. Any ideas anyone?? Thanks, LDB -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Aliases not working
Lawrence Bowie wrote: I have been getting rid of lists lately and I need to forward old lists to the new lists. I am using mailman 2.1.6 and the forwards are not working. I also recently upgraded the OS from Debian to SuSE 10.0. How are you forwarding? What's not working? Note that if the new list has require_explicit_destination Yes, you will probably need to put the old list address in acceptable_aliases in order for a post to the old list to not be held for implicit destination by the new list. (These settings are on Privacy options...-Recipient filters.) -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] new users get welcome e-mails but posts aren't going out
I apologize if this is in the archives. I searched for a while and couldn't find this issue. I just did a fresh install of Mailman 2.1.8 on OS X 10.4 (Tiger). I have it to the point where I can create lists through the web interface and sign people up for the lists. When I subscribe an address to a list (or create a new list) an e-mail is sent and received by the appropriate parties. If I post to the listserv, though, no e-mail ever comes through. I thought I'd improperly setup postfix until I noticed the other e-mails were being properly sent. The mail server is apparently at least partially working, but I can't get a post through at all. I've looked through the smtp and smtp-failure logs, and don't notice any obvious problems. Anyone have any educated guesses as to some places that I should check (I'm not sure if this is a postfix problem or a mailman problem currently). I can definitely provide my current configuration settings if anyone has any ideas, but I'm not even sure what would be helpful right now. -- Nate -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] sending attachment as link
Hello, can mailman change attachmets to links also for outgoing mails similar to the mail archive. thx, Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] sending attachment as link
Haluk Durmus wrote: can mailman change attachmets to links also for outgoing mails similar to the mail archive. Yes. In the list's admin interface, set Non-digest options-scrub_nondigest to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] sending attachment as link
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:37:25 -0700 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haluk Durmus wrote: can mailman change attachmets to links also for outgoing mails similar to the mail archive. Yes. In the list's admin interface, set Non-digest options-scrub_nondigest to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Why I didn't saw this ! thanks you very much :) Haluk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] new users get welcome e-mails but posts aren'tgoing out
Nathan K. Stazewski wrote: I just did a fresh install of Mailman 2.1.8 on OS X 10.4 (Tiger). I have it to the point where I can create lists through the web interface and sign people up for the lists. When I subscribe an address to a list (or create a new list) an e-mail is sent and received by the appropriate parties. If I post to the listserv, though, no e-mail ever comes through. I thought I'd improperly setup postfix until I noticed the other e-mails were being properly sent. The mail server is apparently at least partially working, but I can't get a post through at all. I've looked through the smtp and smtp-failure logs, and don't notice any obvious problems. Anyone have any educated guesses as to some places that I should check (I'm not sure if this is a postfix problem or a mailman problem currently). I can definitely provide my current configuration settings if anyone has any ideas, but I'm not even sure what would be helpful right now. See both http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
At 11:38 PM +0200 2006-06-13, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: I think that this would require a second MTA instance -- the You want that probably anyway since you probably don't want your MTA accept 22.000 emails on a public interface in one rush (and I actually don't remember out of my head how mailman really inject mails. 1 mail with a long list of rcpt-to:?). Mailman can do that, depending on how you configure the MAX_SMTP_RCPTS parameter. first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) would simply take everything that Mailman gives it and then store that in the queue. This would be different from a normal sendmail (or other MTA) configuration, where immediate delivery would normally be attempted. Yes. But normally you don't throw 22.000 emails at once on your MTA. True. And if you do this normally, you shouldn't need any throttling or other special behaviour at all - just enough hardware. Also true. Then, additional queue runners are called to start processing that queue and pushing those messages out, but they go through an additional instance of sendmail, where the throttling milter is used. Just limit/throttle the MTA itself (sendmail has several options for this like number of proceses, etc. and I assume that other MTAs like postfix, exim, qmail allow this too in similar ways). Yeah, but so far as I know, none of those mechanisms control the number of messages that are sent per period of time. They control the number of a given set of processes you can have at any given period of time, but that has only the smallest impact on the number of messages sent per hour. You would also need to make sure that the first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) is not configured to generate Delivery Status Notices (DSNs) for delayed messages, because you know for a fact that some messages are going to be delayed for a significant period of time, and you don't want those kinds of warnings clouding the picture for Mailman. Of course. But the standard/usual delay of 4 hours or so should be large enough though (and I don't see a problem in raising that limit). I'm not convinced. If you've got a list of 22,000 recipients and a limit of 1000 recipients per hour, it's probably going to take a lot longer than four hours to get out all those messages. I do remain convinced that if you're trying to do throttling because your provider requires it, that you are most definitely using the wrong provider. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
At 11:42 PM +0200 2006-06-13, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: First you throw the 22.000 mail in the mail queue. And the normal queue run will deliver these emails + all others in the queue. So you probably want to limit the queue runner anyways (say not more than 100 - or whatever works good enough - concurrent processes delivering email). So the throttling is done within the MTA - your host is delivering only 100 emails in parallel. If every mail takes around 10s, you need around 36 minutes to deliver (or at least try to) all emails. YMMV ... Read Nick's book. Trust me, your mileage will most definitely vary. Controlling the number of processes doesn't help. To make this effective, you really do need to have direct control over the number of messages sent per hour. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Aliases not working
Mark Sapiro wrote: Lawrence Bowie wrote: I have been getting rid of lists lately and I need to forward old lists to the new lists. I am using mailman 2.1.6 and the forwards are not working. I also recently upgraded the OS from Debian to SuSE 10.0. How are you forwarding? What's not working? Note that if the new list has require_explicit_destination Yes, you will probably need to put the old list address in acceptable_aliases in order for a post to the old list to not be held for implicit destination by the new list. (These settings are on Privacy options...-Recipient filters.) Thank you Mark. That worked. Do I also have to put the aliases, old-list-admin old-list-bounces old-list-confirm old-list-join old-list-leave old-list-owner old-list-request old-list-subscribe old-list-unsubscribe that point to, new-list-admin new-list-bounces new-list-confirm new-list-join new-list-leave new-list-owner new-list-request new-list-subscribe new-list-unsubscribe ,respectively? Or does just old-list - new-list suffice? Thanks, LDB -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Help: spam filtering and email bouncing
Hi there, The product of my company uses mailman and we have been receiving spams from time to time. The spams are not directly from spammers, but mailman-bounces and other valid list with -bounces at the end of the list name. We've been looking through bounce processing on the admin part, but it doesn't seem to be the solution of this question since it is only for disabling email accounts. Spam filter under privacy option seems the right place, but the two textareas do not make too much sense to me. Please help. One of the sample is pasted below. Regards, Kinson *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *dacey aseria *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2006 7:38 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* I'm not a follower... I'm a leader with the same idea *Hearty reception,* **untavirazolas[dot]com** she sought in his face signs of the impression she was making on him. She tried to please him, not by her words only, but in her whole person. For his sake it was that she now lavished more care on her dress than before. She caught herself in reveries on what might have been, if she had not been married and he had been free. She blushed with emotion when he came into the room, she could not repress a smile of rapture when he said anything amiable to her. For several days now Countess Lidia Ivanovna had been in a state of intense excitement. She had learned that Anna and Vronsky were in Petersburg. Alexey Alexandrovitch must be saved from seeing her, he must be saved even from the torturing knowledge that that awful woman was in the same town with him, and that he might meet her any minute. Lidia Ivanovna made inquiries through her friends as to what those _infamous people_, as she called Anna and Vronsky, intended doing, and she endeavored so to guide every movement of her friend during those days that he could not come across them. The young adjutant, an acquaintance of Vronsky, through whom she obtained her information, and who hoped through Countess Lidia Ivanovna to obtain a concession, told her that they had finished their business and were going away next day. Lidia Ivanovna had already begun to calm down, when the next morning a note was brought her, the handwriting of which she recognized with horror. It was the handwriting of Anna Karenina. The envelope was of -- *Kinson Liu* | Software Development Engineer | RealNetworks, Inc. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 206.892.6177 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Throttling output
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 17:36 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: At 11:38 PM +0200 2006-06-13, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: [...] You would also need to make sure that the first instance of sendmail (or whatever MTA) is not configured to generate Delivery Status Notices (DSNs) for delayed messages, because you know for a fact that some messages are going to be delayed for a significant period of time, and you don't want those kinds of warnings clouding the picture for Mailman. Of course. But the standard/usual delay of 4 hours or so should be large enough though (and I don't see a problem in raising that limit). I'm not convinced. If you've got a list of 22,000 recipients and a limit of 1000 recipients per hour, it's probably going to take a lot longer than four hours to get out all those messages. Sure. I calculated more mails per hour I do remain convinced that if you're trying to do throttling because your provider requires it, that you are most definitely using the wrong provider. Of course. Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Aliases not working
Lawrence Bowie wrote: Thank you Mark. That worked. Do I also have to put the aliases, old-list-admin old-list-bounces old-list-confirm old-list-join old-list-leave old-list-owner old-list-request old-list-subscribe old-list-unsubscribe that point to, new-list-admin new-list-bounces new-list-confirm new-list-join new-list-leave new-list-owner new-list-request new-list-subscribe new-list-unsubscribe ,respectively? Or does just old-list - new-list suffice? You definitely do not need old-list-admin old-list-bounces old-list-confirm admin is an old, deprecated address now a synonym for bounces, and bounces and confirmations will all be to messages from new-list so you dont need bounces or confirm. Whether you want owner/request/join/subscribe depends on whether or not you still want to support these functions for the old list, or if people should be using the new list name for these. I would put in aliases for leave/unsubscribe just to not cause additional frustration for someone who wants to unsubscribe and still thinks it's the old list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help: spam filtering and email bouncing
Kinson Liu wrote: The product of my company uses mailman and we have been receiving spams from time to time. The spams are not directly from spammers, but mailman-bounces and other valid list with -bounces at the end of the list name. We've been looking through bounce processing on the admin part, but it doesn't seem to be the solution of this question since it is only for disabling email accounts. Spam filter under privacy option seems the right place, but the two textareas do not make too much sense to me. Please help. One of the sample is pasted below. I'm sorry. I do not understand what your problem is. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *dacey aseria *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2006 7:38 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* I'm not a follower... I'm a leader with the same idea This looks like a Microsoft Outlook rendering of a message from the 'mailman' list posted to the list by dacey aseria. This is the way Outlook would show a message with From: dacey aseria [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This would be the Sender in a message from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp for more info. The Sender is set to the list-bounces address to help get actual bounces returned to the proper place. Is dacey aseria a list member? It looks like someone has spammed your list by spoofing the address of a list member. There is no good way to deal with this in Mailman although Privacy option-Spam filters may help. The real solution is to do spam filtering in the incoming MTA before the mail ever gets to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help: spam filtering and email bouncing
My question is simply why we are getting spams from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Kinson Mark Sapiro wrote: Kinson Liu wrote: The product of my company uses mailman and we have been receiving spams from time to time. The spams are not directly from spammers, but mailman-bounces and other valid list with -bounces at the end of the list name. We've been looking through bounce processing on the admin part, but it doesn't seem to be the solution of this question since it is only for disabling email accounts. Spam filter under privacy option seems the right place, but the two textareas do not make too much sense to me. Please help. One of the sample is pasted below. I'm sorry. I do not understand what your problem is. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *dacey aseria *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2006 7:38 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* I'm not a follower... I'm a leader with the same idea This looks like a Microsoft Outlook rendering of a message from the 'mailman' list posted to the list by dacey aseria. This is the way Outlook would show a message with From: dacey aseria [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This would be the Sender in a message from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp for more info. The Sender is set to the list-bounces address to help get actual bounces returned to the proper place. Is dacey aseria a list member? It looks like someone has spammed your list by spoofing the address of a list member. There is no good way to deal with this in Mailman although Privacy option-Spam filters may help. The real solution is to do spam filtering in the incoming MTA before the mail ever gets to Mailman. -- *Kinson Liu* | Software Development Engineer | RealNetworks, Inc. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 206.892.6177 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help: spam filtering and email bouncing
Kinson Liu wrote: My question is simply why we are getting spams from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? And my question then is are these spams being delivered from your mailman list to the subscribers of that list or are they just spam that happens to spoof [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the originator. If they are coming from your mailman list, the Sender: will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] just as any post from any of your lists has a Sender: of [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that bounces can be returned there and processed. If they are not coming from your list, then Mailman is not involved, and someone is just spoofing [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the originator. If your question is why is the mail being shown as From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dacey aseria instead of just as From: dacey aseria see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
