Re: [Mailman-Users] changing Member Options or Import dumpdb

[Michael Menge]

I hit one smale mistake. The last , must not be there



mlist.language = {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'},


mlist.language = {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
  ...
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'



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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing Member Options or Import dumpdb

[Michael Menge]

Thanks, that was the hint i was looking for.

Quoting Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Michael Menge wrote:


I want to change the language of all members in a mailinglist. I did't
find a direct way so I thought I dump the config.pck file with dumpdb
edit the language with search and import the changed output back.

But i did't find a way to import the output of dumpdb back to the
config.pck.


You can do it with either bin/config_list or bin/withlist. Using
config_list is probably easier.

The output of bin/dumpdb contains

'language': {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'l1',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'l2',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'ln'},

assuming you have edited this to

'language': {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'},

Edit it further to

mlist.language = {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'},

and use it as the input to

bin/config_list -i input listname

See "bin/config_list --help".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] changing Member Options or Import dumpdb

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Menge wrote:
>
>I want to change the language of all members in a mailinglist. I did't 
>find a direct way so I thought I dump the config.pck file with dumpdb 
>edit the language with search and import the changed output back.
>
>But i did't find a way to import the output of dumpdb back to the 
>config.pck.

You can do it with either bin/config_list or bin/withlist. Using
config_list is probably easier.

The output of bin/dumpdb contains

'language': {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'l1',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'l2',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'ln'},

assuming you have edited this to

'language': {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'},

Edit it further to

mlist.language = {   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll',
 ...
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]': 'll'},

and use it as the input to

bin/config_list -i input listname

See "bin/config_list --help".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] GID mismatch with Postfix on Fedora Core 5 install of mailman RPM

[Todd Zullinger]

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Chris Lawson wrote:
> Please excuse what may well be an FAQ but I did search the list
> archive and couldn't get an answer.
> 
> I am running Postfix and Mailman on Fedora Core 5 system.
[...]
> I have a bunch of lists that *were* working under Sendmail, but now
> with Postfix, I get a GID mismatch error for the mail wrapper.
> 
> More specifically:
> 
>> Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
>> wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's
>> mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody".  Try
>> tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re-
>> run configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail-
>> gid=nobody'. )
> 
> Is there a way of getting the RPM version of mailman to expect a
> different mail wrapper GID?

This isn't really an rpm issue.  It's a difference between sendmail
and postfix.  Postfix will execute the wrapper script using the group
of the alias file where the wrapper command is defined.

Are your list aliases kept in the system-wide alias file or in a
mailman-specific alias file?  I've used the postfix integration that
is built in to mailman for ages and find that it's very convenient.

See section "6.1.1 Integrating Postfix and Mailman" in the
installation manual for complete details.  The manual is available on
FC5 at:

/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.8/admin/www/mailman-install/

> If I try to tweak the mail server (change main.cf to run as nobody)
> postfix fails. The process that's failing (local) already has the
> privileged flag set in master.cf.
> 
> What am I missing? Or do I have to delete the RPM install and
> install  from source --with-mail-gid=nobody?

No need to do that.  The rpm's should work.  I've used them
successfully.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Tony Stocker]

> I disabled the SSL rewrite rule in the httpd.conf file, and tried
> again and it worked.  So the Mailman program doesn't like something
> about the URL's getting rewritten I'm guessing.  However, I don't want
> to run this program "in the clear" - or any programs really for this
> server - so what do I need to do to fix this issue?  Any ideas?
>

Okay for the sake of posterity here's the fix that I've found:

Modify mm_cfg.py:
 DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
[NOTE the 's' in 'https']

Then run:
 $prefix/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url

[This is to fix the URL's in any lists you've created.]

I then reenabled my rewrite condition in httpd.conf.  Then restarted Apache.

As the saying goes I should have RTFM before posting, sorry about that.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Tony Stocker]

> I doubt that that's very helpful, but thought I'd add it anyway.  It's
> a little confusing to me since I don't know how/why it thinks it's
> going to send stuff over an unencrypted channel since all connections
> are supposed to be routed to the https port.  But I'm wondering if
> that rewriting of the destination could be the problem.  I'm going to
> temporarily comment out the rewrite and see what happens.

Well that's what it is.

I disabled the SSL rewrite rule in the httpd.conf file, and tried
again and it worked.  So the Mailman program doesn't like something
about the URL's getting rewritten I'm guessing.  However, I don't want
to run this program "in the clear" - or any programs really for this
server - so what do I need to do to fix this issue?  Any ideas?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Tony Stocker]

FWIW here's the actual popup warning message that I get from Netscape
upon trying to submite my changes:
---
Although this page is encrypted, the information you have entered is
to be sent over an
unencrypted connection and could easily be read by a third party.

Are you sure you want to continue sending this information?
---

I doubt that that's very helpful, but thought I'd add it anyway.  It's
a little confusing to me since I don't know how/why it thinks it's
going to send stuff over an unencrypted channel since all connections
are supposed to be routed to the https port.  But I'm wondering if
that rewriting of the destination could be the problem.  I'm going to
temporarily comment out the rewrite and see what happens.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Dragon]

Tony Stocker sent the message below at 14:11 7/25/2006:
> >
> > You have to have cookies enabled in your browser. If you do not, 
> it won't work.
> >
> > Dragon
>
>I do have cookies enabled, and just to doublecheck I turned off the
>privacy settings and set it to allow all cookies but the results were
>the same.  I have also since tried a second browser program but the
>results are the same.  I've now tried Netscape 7.2 and Firefox 1.0.2.
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Hmm... well then I don't know. Generally when people see this 
behavior it is because they have cookies blocked in their browser.

Somebody with more experience will have to take it from here.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Tony Stocker]

>
> You have to have cookies enabled in your browser. If you do not, it won't 
> work.
>
> Dragon

I do have cookies enabled, and just to doublecheck I turned off the
privacy settings and set it to allow all cookies but the results were
the same.  I have also since tried a second browser program but the
results are the same.  I've now tried Netscape 7.2 and Firefox 1.0.2.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Dragon]

Tony Stocker sent the message below at 13:34 7/25/2006:
>Hello,
>
>I'm setting up Mailman and have a bit of a difficulty.  I've sent a
>'subscribe' email to a list, and received back that it's awaiting
>admin approval.  I login to the web page, go to the Pending Requests
>section and see the subscribe request.  I then click the accept radio
>button and the Submit All Data.  But all that happens is that I get a
>security warning window about encrypted communication and the web page
>refreshes and resets itself.  I can't find anything in the httpd log
>files, the mailman log files, or the system log files that explain why
>this happens.  This happens no matter which action button I choose,
>accept, decline, etc.
>
>I've installed packages rather than compiled from scratch so here are
>my relevant version stats:
>
>postfix-2.1.5-4.2.RHEL4
>httpd-2.0.52-22.ent
>mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.3
>
>Also this appears there is a similar problem when I go to list
>management and attempt to add addresses via the mass subscriptions.
>In this case, I fill in the information and choose submit changes, and
>then it just blanks out the entries and presents the page again.
>
>FWIW: I have added a change to the httpd.conf file to rewrite all
>http: requests to https: requests.
>
>Any ideas?
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[Mailman-Users] Web refreshes but does not apply changes

[Tony Stocker]

Hello,

I'm setting up Mailman and have a bit of a difficulty.  I've sent a
'subscribe' email to a list, and received back that it's awaiting
admin approval.  I login to the web page, go to the Pending Requests
section and see the subscribe request.  I then click the accept radio
button and the Submit All Data.  But all that happens is that I get a
security warning window about encrypted communication and the web page
refreshes and resets itself.  I can't find anything in the httpd log
files, the mailman log files, or the system log files that explain why
this happens.  This happens no matter which action button I choose,
accept, decline, etc.

I've installed packages rather than compiled from scratch so here are
my relevant version stats:

postfix-2.1.5-4.2.RHEL4
httpd-2.0.52-22.ent
mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.3

Also this appears there is a similar problem when I go to list
management and attempt to add addresses via the mass subscriptions.
In this case, I fill in the information and choose submit changes, and
then it just blanks out the entries and presents the page again.

FWIW: I have added a change to the httpd.conf file to rewrite all
http: requests to https: requests.

Any ideas?
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[Mailman-Users] GID mismatch with Postfix on Fedora Core 5 install of mailman RPM

[Chris Lawson]

Hi folks.

Please excuse what may well be an FAQ but I did search the list  
archive and couldn't get an answer.

I am running Postfix and Mailman on Fedora Core 5 system. More  
specifically:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# rpm -qv mailman
mailman-2.1.8-0.FC5.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# rpm -qv postfix
postfix-2.2.8-1.2

I have a bunch of lists that *were* working under Sendmail, but now  
with Postfix, I get a GID mismatch error for the mail wrapper.

More specifically:

> Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail  
> wrapper script to be executed as group "mail", but the system's  
> mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody".  Try  
> tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mail", or re- 
> run configure,  providing the command line option `--with-mail- 
> gid=nobody'. )

Is there a way of getting the RPM version of mailman to expect a  
different mail wrapper GID?

If I try to tweak the mail server (change main.cf to run as nobody)  
postfix fails. The process that's failing (local) already has the  
privileged flag set in master.cf.

What am I missing? Or do I have to delete the RPM install and install  
from source --with-mail-gid=nobody?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best practices

[Christopher Adams]

Mostly, I agree with Mark on this. You really have to balance what
individual list owners want, how individual lists operate, and the fact that
you may host/administer so many lists that the best choice is the same for
all.

We host over 500 lists. Originally, the default was to 'Hold' messages from
non-members. This might include subscribers who's address had changed or
individuals who thought they were on the list. This is where we needed to
reevaluate the situation. Many list owners are busy and don't want to
continually take action on posts from non-members. However, many list owners
also don't want messages from 'non-members' to be automatically discarded.

Our solution was to make the default to 'Reject', but send a message to the
sender, indicating that their message was rejected because either they are
not a member or their address has changed. One problem with this solution is
that the option for multiple languages becomes a bit of  an issue.

On 7/23/06, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> David Gibbs wrote:
>
> >Lawrence Bowie wrote:
> >> I have been rejecting messages from non-members but I am
> >> not sure that is the best practice. Is it better to "discard"
> >> rather than "reject" non-members messages?
> >
> >It depends on the message ... if the message is topical, then I reject
> >the message indicating that to post a person must be subscribed, and if
> >they are subscribed, then they might be posting from a different email
> >address.
> >
> >If the message isn't topical, then I just discard it (for which the
> >'discard all messages marked as deferred' check box is a boon), as those
> >are usually just spam.
>
>
> So you have generic_nonmember_action set to 'Hold', and you (or a
> moderator) make a decision on each post.
>
> I think Lawrence is asking a different question, namely, should
> generic_nonmember_action be 'reject' or 'discard'?
>
> This is a controversial question, and the answer really depends on the
> list. The 'good' answer is that spam should be filtered out ahead of
> Mailman. Then Mailman and the list owner don't have to worry about
> 'blowback' and spam forwarding issues, but this solution isn't always
> available.
>
> If you have spam reaching Mailman, it is clearly best to discard the
> spam without sending any kind of 'reply'. Note that holding and then
> discarding the message only does this if respond_to_post_requests is
> set to 'No'. Otherwise, by the time the moderator sees the message, a
> hold notification reply has already been sent.
>
> Unfortunately, once the post gets to Mailman, Mailman applies the
> generic_nonmember_action in every case. I think we all agree that for
> spam (if it gets this far), this should be discard, but there are
> lists for which this is not appropriate if the message is not spam.
>
> In the past, Brad has posted examples to this list of situations where
> silently discarding an attempted post has caused significant problems
> for the non-member who thought the post had been received.
>
> In short, this is a list specific decision. Is your list one where you
> have non-members attempting to post? What are the consequences if that
> post is discarded without notice? How do these balance with spam
> blowback/forwarding considerations to the extent that spam gets this
> far?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman export/import

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, glgavpc wrote:
> How do you export the mail list from one server and import it into another???

you check the FAQ?  (or the message archive)

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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[Mailman-Users] mailman export/import

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How do you export the mail list from one server and import it into another???
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Add and Removelist from .txt file

[Catherine Maxwell]

What Brad said is correct. You will find the answer to your question 
in the /bin directory. You should read the find_member file for how 
to locate the members that are subscribed to what list and read the 
add_members and remove_members files to help you construct a command.

A simple example for mass adding regular subscribers to a list from a 
text file is:

  bin/add_members -r /path/to/textfile -w n -a n listname

A simple example for mass removing subscribers using a text file:

  bin/remove_members -f /path/to/textfile -n -N listname


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At 04:41 AM 7/25/2006, Eric Oye wrote:
>i know about that command, but it cant help to add or remove the email i
>written in the text file. Do you have any idea or any command that can
>retreive those email address i store at the text file and do adding n
>removing on mailman? Thanks a lot

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Add and Removelist from .txt file

[Eric Oye]

i know about that command, but it cant help to add or remove the email i
written in the text file. Do you have any idea or any command that can
retreive those email address i store at the text file and do adding n
removing on mailman? Thanks a lot
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[Mailman-Users] changing Member Options or Import dumpdb

[Michael Menge]

Hi,

I want to change the language of all members in a mailinglist. I did't 
find a direct way so I thought I dump the config.pck file with dumpdb 
edit the language with search and import the changed output back.

But i did't find a way to import the output of dumpdb back to the 
config.pck.

Is ther a way to do so, or is ther a other way to change the language of 
all members?

Thx

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Add and Removelist from .txt file

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:17 AM -0700 2006-07-25, Eric Oye wrote:

>  Is there any way for me to remove email addresses which compiled in a text
>  file from all the lists? Is there any command which able to import the email
>  from text file and remove from Mailman automatically?

See FAQ 4.9.  There is the find_member command, as well as the 
list_members and list_lists commands.  It should be easy enough to 
script these commands, if they don't do everything you want and you 
don't want to try to write some of your own Python using the withlist 
command.

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[Mailman-Users] Add and Removelist from .txt file

[Eric Oye]

I have few member lists under Mailman and I came across a situation where I
would like to remove quite some members from different lists. What I'm doing
now is browse through each list, searching for the particular email address
and delete it. This method cost me alot of time. 
 
Is there any way for me to remove email addresses which compiled in a text
file from all the lists? Is there any command which able to import the email
from text file and remove from Mailman automatically?
 
For those who came across the same situation before, please kindly advice.
My mailman version is 2.1.6.
 
Many thanks!
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