[Mailman-Users] Change Footer On HTML Info and Subscription Results pages

[Sivakatirswami]

I have completely customized the  list info page and subscription 
results page
by basically install our own complete HTML code with inline CSS

using the mail man web Admin GUI for editing the html pages. Basically I 
just
removed most of  the mail main includes and install raw source code. It 
works.

check it out here:

http://lists.jnanadana.com/mailman/listinfo/kural

the final bit is to customize the footer.

Where in the source code folder does one find the
template text that is used for this mailman SSI (include)?



in other words i would like to customize this code:

http://lists.jnanadana.com/mailman/listinfo/kural";>Kural list 
run by mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">listmaster at 
jnanadana.orghttp://lists.jnanadana.com/mailman/admin/kural";>Kural 
administrative interface (requires authorization)http://lists.jnanadana.com/mailman/listinfo";>Overview of all 
jnanadana.com mailing lists


   
 version 2.1.5
 
 
   



of course I *can* simply delete the SSI  ("" ) from 
the page and install
my own footer code, but I want to not totally hack up this thing if I 
can find the source inthe mailman folders.

I looked thru the FAQs and I'm afraid my last solution may be the only 
one as I don't want to
dig into messing with the Python Source if this footer is generated from 
source and not  piping
in a cat of an editable template file.

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(In  Peace)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman integration with web pages (user passwords)

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:01 AM +0100 2006-09-12, Alain Williams wrote:

>  * can mailman store email/password elsewhere (eg mysql database), possibly
>   in addition to pickle files ?

There is an unofficial patch to allow a MySQL MemberAdapter, yes. 
But it will take some work to set up, as well as to configure the 
MySQL database to support it.  And since it's an unofficial patch, 
although I believe that the author is on this list and you're welcome 
to ask questions here about it, there's a very small group within the 
broader Mailman community that actually uses this feature, and that 
means that there's not nearly as much support that you can get from 
the rest of the community.

>  * can mailman use email/password info from somewhere other than a pickle
>  file ?

Through the MySQL MemberAdapter, yes.

>  * are there hooks that I can plug an external script in to when user info
>   is updated (added/removed/changed) that would let me keep/copy this info
>   elsewhere ?

You could write a custom handler, I guess.  Try searching the FAQ 
wizard for "handler".


In any event, I think you're looking at needing to make some source 
code modifications to get all this stuff to work together.

We're hoping to improve the situation with the next major release 
(Mailman 2.2), but I don't know what the schedule is for that code.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:15 PM + 2006-09-11, Jon Loose wrote:

>  Brad - apologies for not getting the point from the FAQ first.

Sorry, that's a pet peeve of mine.  ;)

>  Thanks for being willing to repeat yourself anyway.  I'm going to advise
>  folks to register for a different address.  Very interesting to see your
>  background with AOL.

Hey, we're having problems with AOL ourselves on python.org, for the 
Mailman-related mailing lists as well as the others.  The AOL 
whitelisting process is a pain to go through, and it doesn't work 
very well.

Anyway, welcome to the club!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternate SMTP setup

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:54 AM -0700 2006-09-11, Jack Stone wrote:

>   4) Have been looking at all logs for errors - none found, except the
>  firewall logs show no packets -- ipsumdump -- no packets to port 1313

There's got to be something in the Mailman and MTA logs.  If not, 
then the configuration was not changed (as you thought you had done).

>   Did all of the above before posting for help. Also, looked at the FAQ
>  several times.

Much appreciated.

>   Further, have been searching for ways to add more subdir for the
>  mail/spool -- not luck there so far in my search at sendmail, etc.

If you want to create additional mail queue subdirectories under 
sendmail, that's a standard thing with the later versions and should 
definitely be described in their documentation.  You don't have to 
worry about this with postfix, since it does that by default 
out-of-the-box.

>   BTW: Another thing is that in the FAQ I see a long analysis about
>  setting SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 to SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 max.

Yup.

>   I'm using 10, but do have numerous "big gorillas" like Yahoo, Hotmail,
>  msn, aol, etc. -- a high ratio of those.

This may or may not make a difference for you.  IIRC, the big point 
of the articles by Chuq were in response to questions about VERP and 
personalization, and going from something like SMTP_MAX_RECIPIENTS=10 
down to SMTP_MAX_RECIPIENTS=1 (e.g., enabling VERP and/or 
personalization).

And Chuq is working from data on some of the biggest known Mailman 
mailing lists, so I'd have very good reason to believe his numbers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman integration with web pages (user passwords)

[Glenn Sieb]

Alain Williams said the following on 9/11/2006 7:01 PM:
> I wish to integrate mailman with some (other) web pages. The users
> would be able to login and do whatever, part of which would be to subscribe to
> a mail list.
> 
> To make it nice I would like a common user authentication, ie 
> email_address/password
> pairs. Mailman seems to hold this stuff in python pickle files - these are 
> obscure
> formats if you are not writing in python (which I am not - I don't want to).

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp

That might give you somewhere to start, I hope.. :)

Best,
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[Mailman-Users] mailman integration with web pages (user passwords)

[Alain Williams]

Hi,

I wish to integrate mailman with some (other) web pages. The users
would be able to login and do whatever, part of which would be to subscribe to
a mail list.

To make it nice I would like a common user authentication, ie 
email_address/password
pairs. Mailman seems to hold this stuff in python pickle files - these are 
obscure
formats if you are not writing in python (which I am not - I don't want to).

Question:

* can mailman store email/password elsewhere (eg mysql database), possibly
  in addition to pickle files ?

* can mailman use email/password info from somewhere other than a pickle file ?

* are there hooks that I can plug an external script in to when user info
  is updated (added/removed/changed) that would let me keep/copy this info
  elsewhere ?

I use mailman in other places, it works well & am pleased with it.

Cheers

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

[Jon Loose]

Brad - apologies for not getting the point from the FAQ first.  

Thanks for being willing to repeat yourself anyway.  I'm going to advise folks 
to register for a different address.  Very interesting to see your background 
with AOL.

Thanks again, and to Gail,

Jon

- Original Message 
From: Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Monday, 11 September, 2006 6:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

At 8:52 AM -0400 2006-09-11, Gail wrote:

>  My experience with AOL, unrelated to Mailman, maybe of more help.  Almost
>  without exception is all part of AOL's misguided attempts to block SPAM.

Correct.  Why is why I wrote FAQ 3.42.  I should know, since I was 
the first Internet mail operations person they ever hired, and when I 
left I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator.  At that time, I was 
probably doing more anti-spam work than most anyone else on the 
planet, and I made a point of contributing my work back to the 
community.

Part of the reason I left was that management (and the developers) 
had decided that they wanted to go with a 100% proprietary solution 
for gatewaying e-mail into the service, and not a single person on 
the Internet Mail Operations team really wanted to be involved in 
that.  One guy stayed, and the rest left in one way or another. 
$DEITY only knows what kind of crap they did once they got rid of all 
the people who really understood how this kind of system should be 
run.


The real problem is that most people can't be bothered to read the 
FAQ or search the archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[John W. Baxter]

On 9/11/06 10:35 AM, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 1:20 PM -0400 2006-09-11, Matt Herzog wrote:
> 
>>  Not exactly. I have
>> 
>>  MTA = "Postfix"
>> 
>>  in mm_cfg.py. Do the spaces matter?
> 
> In this case, I don't think that the spaces will be a problem
> (although Python does normally care a great deal about spacing), but
> the double versus single quotes may be something that Python cares
> about.

The spaces (or lack thereof) around the = do not matter in Python.  (My
habit is to use them; which conflicts with my (necessary) habit not to use
them in shell scripts.)

There is no difference in Python between a string in "double" quotes and one
in 'single' quotes, except that the former can easily contain ' characters
and the latter can easily contain " characters.  (Got that one by the
grammar checker.  ;-))  As in "This doesn't cause problems."  In this area,
Python is quite different from, for example, Perl and Ruby.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternate SMTP setup

[Jack Stone]

Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 9:12 AM -0700 2006-09-11, Jack 
Stone wrote:

> In an effort to further tuneup/speedup the list deliveries (being choked
> again today), I have used the method below about an alternate smtp for
> mailman's use. However, I have yet to see any packets go through port 1313.

What is in the logs? Did you stop and restart Mailman? Did you make 
sure that all anti-virus/anti-spam processing is turned off in this 
second MTA instance? Did you also make sure that they turn off all 
reverse DNS checks?

This technique has been in wide use, so without more information on 
what errors are showing up on your side, it's impossible to tell what 
may have happened.

   >
  1) Yes, restarted Mailman
  2) anti-spam - Trusted networks are ignored in/out -- not sure about ClamAV, 
but will look.
  3) Have caching DNS on this server
  4) Have been looking at all logs for errors - none found, except the firewall 
logs show no packets -- ipsumdump -- no packets to port 1313
   
  Did all of the above before posting for help. Also, looked at the FAQ several 
times.
   
  Further, have been searching for ways to add more subdir for the mail/spool 
-- not luck there so far in my search at sendmail, etc.
   
  Still see 10 x.pck's in the ~mailman/qfiles/out
   
  The ones older than 3 hours finally gone, but some still an hour old.
   
  BTW: Another thing is that in the FAQ I see a long analysis about setting 
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 to SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 5 max.
   
  I'm using 10, but do have numerous "big gorillas" like Yahoo, Hotmail, msn, 
aol, etc. -- a high ratio of those.


(^-^)
Best regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:20 PM -0400 2006-09-11, Matt Herzog wrote:

>  Not exactly. I have
>
>  MTA = "Postfix"
>
>  in mm_cfg.py. Do the spaces matter?

In this case, I don't think that the spaces will be a problem 
(although Python does normally care a great deal about spacing), but 
the double versus single quotes may be something that Python cares 
about.

>  Something keeps changing the ownership of the aliases file to root.
>  I had chowned it to mailman:mailman earlier today.

Probably a cron job, or some other command that you're using which 
has effects other than the ones you expect.  Take a look at the 
"newaliases" command, and make sure it points to the postfix program 
it should.  Also make sure that your aliases and alias databases are 
set up correctly in your main.cf.

>  By the way, do I need to run 'mailmanctl restart' every time I make a
>  change in mmm_cfg.py?

Yes.  IIRC, this is well documented.

>  I have been all over this page and site. The problem is with the
>  NetBSD package build I'm thinking.

You may want to try doing a manual install from our latest sources, 
instead of depending on their package.  Sometimes the package 
maintainers get everything right, sometimes they don't.

But, when you come to us for assistance with whatever problems you've 
got, we're not likely to be able to help you with problems caused by 
the package maintainer, and it may be difficult to tell which 
problems come from where.  So, when you're using a packaged version, 
you should always go to your OS support facilities first (which may 
be directly to the package maintainer) and only once you have 
confirmed that the problems are within Mailman itself and not a 
result of the work done by the package maintainer, should you then 
come here.

We have this problem with cPanel, Plesk and Apple all the time.  We 
tend to have fewer problems with other package providers (e.g., Red 
Hat, FreeBSD, etc...), but the issues are largely the same.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:52 AM -0400 2006-09-11, Gail wrote:

>  My experience with AOL, unrelated to Mailman, maybe of more help.  Almost
>  without exception is all part of AOL's misguided attempts to block SPAM.

Correct.  Why is why I wrote FAQ 3.42.  I should know, since I was 
the first Internet mail operations person they ever hired, and when I 
left I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator.  At that time, I was 
probably doing more anti-spam work than most anyone else on the 
planet, and I made a point of contributing my work back to the 
community.

Part of the reason I left was that management (and the developers) 
had decided that they wanted to go with a 100% proprietary solution 
for gatewaying e-mail into the service, and not a single person on 
the Internet Mail Operations team really wanted to be involved in 
that.  One guy stayed, and the rest left in one way or another. 
$DEITY only knows what kind of crap they did once they got rid of all 
the people who really understood how this kind of system should be 
run.


The real problem is that most people can't be bothered to read the 
FAQ or search the archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternate SMTP setup

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:12 AM -0700 2006-09-11, Jack Stone wrote:

>  In an effort to further tuneup/speedup the list deliveries (being choked
>  again today), I have used the method below about an alternate smtp for
>  mailman's use. However, I have yet to see any packets go through port 1313.

What is in the logs?  Did you stop and restart Mailman?  Did you make 
sure that all anti-virus/anti-spam processing is turned off in this 
second MTA instance?  Did you also make sure that they turn off all 
reverse DNS checks?

This technique has been in wide use, so without more information on 
what errors are showing up on your side, it's impossible to tell what 
may have happened.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Security Bulletin

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:59 AM -0500 2006-09-11, Barry Finkel wrote:

>  There was a CIAC bulletin last week pertaining to Mailman:

Which is part of why we're working on release version 2.1.9 as 
quickly as possible.  Version 2.1.9rc1 is already out, and we're 
already running it at python.org (the home of all official 
Mailman-related mailing lists, as well as many others having to do 
with Python and Python-related projects).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Matt Herzog]

On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 12:31:21PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Matt Herzog wrote:
> > When I try try to accept an invitation to a group I get this bounce message:
> > 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
> > "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mung". Command
> > output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper
> > script to be executed as group "guest", but the system's mail
> > server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
> > tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "guest", or
> > re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> > `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
> 
> You're using postfix, correct?  Do you have MTA='Postfix' in
> mm_cfg.py?  If not, that's the best way to integrate mailman and
> postfix, IMO.  Once that's done, you should check that the permissions
> are correct for the alias files ($PREFIX/data/aliases{,.db}).  They
> should be owner and group mailman and group writable.

Not exactly. I have 

MTA = "Postfix"

in mm_cfg.py. Do the spaces matter?

As for the aliases dir I have:

-rw-r-  1 root mailman 41 Sep 10 17:51 adm.pw
-rw-rw  1 root mailman   1922 Sep 11 10:53 aliases
-rw-r-  1 mailman  mailman  65536 Sep 11 10:53 aliases.db
-rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman  6 Sep 11 10:50 master-qrunner.pid

Something keeps changing the ownership of the aliases file to root.
I had chowned it to mailman:mailman earlier today.

While trying to remember what "mailwrapper" represents I read "man mailwrapper" 
and realized that /usr/sbin/sendmail is supposed to be a symlink to 
/usr/sbin/mailwrapper, and it was not. It was a link to 
/usr/libexec/postfix/sendmail. Ack. 

Well that didn't solve the problem either.

By the way, do I need to run 'mailmanctl restart' every time I make a change in 
mmm_cfg.py?


> See the mailman installation manual for more details:
> 
> http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/node13.html

I have been all over this page and site. The problem is with the NetBSD package 
build I'm thinking.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Todd Zullinger]

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Matt Herzog wrote:
> When I try try to accept an invitation to a group I get this bounce message:
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
> "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mung". Command
> output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper
> script to be executed as group "guest", but the system's mail
> server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
> tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "guest", or
> re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.

You're using postfix, correct?  Do you have MTA='Postfix' in
mm_cfg.py?  If not, that's the best way to integrate mailman and
postfix, IMO.  Once that's done, you should check that the permissions
are correct for the alias files ($PREFIX/data/aliases{,.db}).  They
should be owner and group mailman and group writable.

See the mailman installation manual for more details:

http://mailman.sourceforge.net/mailman-install/node13.html

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[Mailman-Users] Alternate SMTP setup

[Jack Stone]

In an effort to further tuneup/speedup the list deliveries (being choked again 
today), I have used the method below about an alternate smtp for mailman's use. 
However, I have yet to see any packets go through port 1313.
   
  My posting lists are not huge, each under 1000.
   
  Sockstats shows that port is assigned to 127.0.0.1 okay, and the processes 
show the added instance of sendmail running okay. What did I miss?
   
  Here is my setup im mm_cfg.py:
  # Tuning stuff
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME = hours(20)
QRUNNER_PROCESS_LIFETIME = hours(2)
QRUNNER_MAX_MESSAGES = 5
  # define alternate SMTP port
SMTPPORT = 1313
   
  Running MM-2.8x/FBSD-6.1/Sendmail-8.13.6

/usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ 
-ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1  

Where  is some port number not otherwise used (you can test   if 
something's in use by doing "telnet localhost " -- if it's  refused, 
there's no daemon listening)  

This sets up a sendmail process listening to the alternate port,   in 
DEFER mode, but set to talk only to the localhost interface,   so it's not 
accessible by anyoneother than your local machine:   no open relay 
problems.  

To make mailman access that port, add this to your mm_cfg.py:  

# define alternate SMTP port  SMTPPORT = 1313


(^-^)
Best regards,
Jack L. Stone
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Security Bulletin

[George A. Theall]

On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 07:59:44AM -0500, Barry Finkel wrote:

> This bulletin only mentions Red Hat.  Does the bulletin apply only
> to Red Hat distributions, or does it apply to all Mailman distributions?

The general Mailman distribution is affected as well; see:

http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=444295&group_id=103

> Is this a problem that only affects 2.1.5, or does it affect subsequent
> versions of Mailman?  Thanks.

If you have access to Nessus, you may want to take a look at a plugin
I wrote to check for the first issue mentioned:

  http://www.nessus.org/plugins/index.php?view=single&id=22307

[The plugin is available now to those with a direct feed and will become
available tomorrow for those with a registered feed.] I run a few lists
with 2.1.6 and that version is definitely vulnerable. 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Matt Herzog]

On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 12:04:31PM +0400, Oleg Dambaev wrote:
> >   
> echo "mailman:*:92:" >> /etc/group
> 
> replace ``92'' with needed groupid

I sould preface this by saying it is 99% certain that all my mailman problems 
are due to NetBSD's pkgsrc being completely fubar, and I mean ALL of pkgsrc. I 
should prolly compile mailman outside of pkgsrc.

Thanks but I did have a mailman group and mailman user and the mailman package 
was compiled with:

MAILMAN_USER?=  mailman
MAILMAN_GROUP?= mailman
MAILMAN_MAILGROUP?= guest # group of user 'daemon'

I added:

MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman'
MAILMAN_GROUP= 'mailman'

to mm_cfg.py to fix the mailmanctl/daemon issue.

When I try try to accept an invitation to a group I get this bounce message:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Command died with status 2:
"/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mung". Command output: Group
mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed
+as
group "guest", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
+group
"guest", or re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

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I've only a couple dozen on 7 Lists and they SCREAM, Gail!!  -:)

AOL = PITA

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[Mailman-Users] Question about Security Bulletin

[Barry Finkel]

There was a CIAC bulletin last week pertaining to Mailman:

__

   The U.S. Department of Energy
   Computer Incident Advisory Capability
   ___  __ ___ ___
  /   | /_\   /
  \___  __|__  /   \  \___
 __

 INFORMATION BULLETIN

Mailman Security Update
  [Red Hat RHSA-2006:0600-11]

September 7, 2006 17:00 GMT   Number Q-305
__
PROBLEM:   There are several security vulnerabilities in Mailman: 
   1) A flaw was found in the way Mailman handled MIME multipart 
  messages; and 
   2) Several cross-site scripting (XSS) issues were 
found in Mailman. 
PLATFORM:  Red Hat Desktop (v. 3 & v. 4) 
   Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS, ES, WS (v. 3 & v. 4) 
DAMAGE:1) An attacker could send a carefully crafted MIME multipart 
   email message to a mailing list run by Mailman which caused 
   that particular mailing list to stop working; and 2) An 
   attacker could exploit these issues to perform cross-site 
   scripting attacks against the Mailman administrator. 
SOLUTION:  Upgrade to the appropriate version. 
__
VULNERABILITY  The risk is LOW. 1) An attacker could send a carefully crafted 
ASSESSMENT:MIME multipart email message to a mailing list run by Mailman 
   which caused that particular mailing list to stop working; and 
   2) An attacker could exploit these issues to perform cross-site 
   scripting attacks against the Mailman administrator. 
__
LINKS: 
 CIAC BULLETIN:  http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/q-305.shtml 
 ORIGINAL BULLETIN:  Red Hat RHSA-2006:0600-11
 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2006-0600.html 
 CVE:http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name= 
 CVE-2006-2941 CVE-2006-3636 
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This bulletin only mentions Red Hat.  Does the bulletin apply only
to Red Hat distributions, or does it apply to all Mailman distributions?
The links mention 

 mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.7.src.rpm

Is this a problem that only affects 2.1.5, or does it affect subsequent
versions of Mailman?  Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

[Gail]

My experience with AOL, unrelated to Mailman, maybe of more help.  Almost
without exception is all part of AOL's misguided attempts to block SPAM.  I
doubt its a Mailman issue, even the POS we're going to replace with Mailman
hasn't been the cause of issues with AOL.  Usually this has happened when
the level of security the user has on their account is higher which will
sometimes makes AOL trash the mail.  Perhaps your sign up instructions
should include instruction to those signing up  to add the list address to
their address book, or white list at AOL which might help.

Also, you should check to see if AOL has black listed your domain and if so,
apply for white list status which is annoying and time consuming but usually
gets done rather quickly.  Save that application as they'll periodically
black list you again for no apparent reason.  Also make sure your ISP has
assigned a static IP address to your list, AOL and a number of other ISPs
tend to block mail from a variable IP address.  Even if you've had a static
one, check again as my ISP running the list on has, from time to time,
reverted it back to variable for no apparent reasons.

I wish I only had 5 to 10 with AOL, I've got over 1000 and all write
complaining when their mail doesn't arrive!

HTH
Gail


> Sure, they simply do not receive invitations to join that have been sent out.
> Note, I am working on a small sample here -  there are 5-10 affected people.
> However, no-one else (outside AOL) has had this kind of problem.  I assume
> also that the 'evictions' issue is also relevant, but I don't know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Newsletter Setup

[David Ellsworth]

Thanks to Larry's timely and knowledgeable help, I can now get the HTML to
the list this way. The problem now is that the HTML doesn't work in the
arrived email. The text is centered and the top graphic (which is correctly
linked) isn't showing up. I'm not even using any settings in Content
Filtering. Is there any other Mailman-specific settings for allowing HTML?

The file I'm using is here (the email should look like this):

http://www.circlecitysports.com/newsletter/ccsnews.html

But it comes in looking like this:

http://www.circlecitysports.com/newsletter/error.html

When I send it just to myself, it formats correctly.

Any ideas gratefully acknowledged.

Thanks

David

On 9/8/06 2:35 PM, "Larry Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, David Ellsworth wrote:
> 
>> So I tried and enter Approved: password in the header of an account's
>> options setting and it wouldn't let me add a colon. Couldn't find anything
>> in Help either. More information please?
> 
> Do what I did when testing this this morning before I sent the reply. When
> Entourage wouldn't allow me to enter a colon, I reasoned that since the
> colon is always there as a separator between the header name and the
> header value, Entourage must add it for me. I tried it on a test send to
> myself (since it's not going through Mailman, the Approved header doesn't
> get stripped*). Opened the message, looked at the header, and there it was
> with the colon as I expected.
> 
> * Just a warning that you should never CC: a message with an Approved
> header or first line to someone you don't 100% trust since it will not get
> stripped from copies that aren't processed through Mailman.
> 
> -- Larry Stone
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

[Jon Loose]

Sure, they simply do not receive invitations to join that have been sent out.  
Note, I am working on a small sample here -  there are 5-10 affected people.  
However, no-one else (outside AOL) has had this kind of problem.  I assume also 
that the 'evictions' issue is also relevant, but I don't know.

Thanks,

Jon



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To: Jon Loose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; mailman-users@python.org
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Security / AOL

At 6:01 PM + 2006-09-10, Jon Loose wrote:

>  Second - I have found problems with invites to AOL addresses. Is this a
>  common issue?  If so, I'd be interested to know what the issue is, and
>  if anything can be done (apart from obviously encouraging people to
>  dump AOL!).

What problems?  Can you be more specific?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Oleg Dambaev]

Matt Herzog wrote:
> I'm running mailman-2.1.6 on NetBSD 3.0 Sparc64.
>
> 1. Mailman is user 1003, group 1003 and all the scripts and binaries in
> /usr/pkg/lib/mailman/Mailman are owned by root:mailman except for:
>
> -rw-r--r--   1 www   mailman  21200 Sep 10 21:02 Defaults.pyc
> -rw-r--r--   1 www   mailman   1116 Sep 10 21:20 mm_cfg.pyc
>
> 2. mailmanctl and qrunner are not running, and never have run to my knowledge.
>
> 3. ma /etc/postfix# /usr/pkg/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
>   MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
>   KeyError: 'getgrnam(): name not found: '
>
> 4. Postfix works fine sending and receiving from mutt.
>
> 5. The perms on the aliases data dir look like this:
>
> ma /var/db/mailman/data# ls -la
> drwxrwxr-x  2 mailman  mailman512 Aug 28 13:56 .
> drwxrwxr-x  9 mailman  mailman512 Aug 27 14:14 ..
> -rw-r-  1 root mailman 41 Sep 10 17:51 adm.pw
> -rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman   1944 Sep 10 21:36 aliases
> -rw-r-  1 mailman  mailman  65536 Sep 10 22:02 aliases.db
>
> 6. The aliases are not getting pulled into /etc/postfix/aliases from
> /var/db/mailman/data/aliases, which looks like this:
>
> # The ultimate loop stopper address
> mailman-loop: /var/db/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
>
> # STANZA START: discuss
> # CREATED: Sun Sep 10 21:36:43 2006
> discuss: "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post discuss"
> discuss-admin:   "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin discuss"
> discuss-bounces: "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces discuss"
> discuss-confirm: "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm discuss"
> discuss-join:"|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join discuss"
> discuss-leave:   "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave discuss"
> discuss-owner:   "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner discuss"
> discuss-request: "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request discuss"
> discuss-subscribe:   "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe discuss"
> discuss-unsubscribe: "|/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
> discuss"
> # STANZA END: discuss
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Alternative to Mailman

[Sven Deichmann]

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Hello,

we came accross the same problems a while ago. While we still use
Mailman for this purposes as these requirements were not too important
for us, we already did some research. But apart from mass mailing (aka
SPAM tools) we only found an extension to the CMS system Plone (runs
under Zope. python based like Mailman) named LindeMerkur.
What kept us from using this was the complexity to set it up and use it
properly later on.

It might be worth a look though, as it is highly flexible and the CMS
part could take the part of the archive. List merging could be
implemented using small parts of python code to merge the user sources
and personalization is built in (after all that was the reason to build
this tool originally as there are also extensions to plone that connect
it to mailman)

After all this isn't a ready to go solution though.

Regards,
Sven Deichmann

> We've been using Mailman for several years for a number of our lists,
> been reasonably happy, and will probably continue to use it.
> 
> However, no single package is the right answer for all situations. Some
> of our newer domains need packages with capabilities that Mailman can't
> provide, so I'm looking for suggestions and comments on various
> alternative open source packages (and not trying to troll).
> 
> We're looking at PHPlist, DadaMail and other packages. We need to be
> able to send up to 100,000 at a shot, announce only, use MySQL and with
> html mail (or provide that as an option, which Mailman can't do),
> merge/purge lists, searchable archives, personalization and get around
> AOL/Hotmail perceived spam bouncing, etc.
> 
> In the best of worlds, I'd like to be able to maintain various fields on
> list members including name and source so, for example, we could decide
> to send an email to all list members from Source A and Source C, but not
> Source B, and if there are duplicates on lists A and B, of course send
> only one copy.
> 
> Maybe that's getting into the realm of campaign software. All of our
> list members are opt-in, but they come from various sources, so I'd like
> to be able to pick sources for each mailing and essentially build a list
> each time from various criteria.
> 
> I'd prefer open source (of course) with an active development community,
> and we maintain our own server with many virtual domains. I realize no
> single package can do all that, but suggestion and comments are welcome.
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] a few details

[Thomas Hochstein]

Matt Herzog schrieb:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/pkg/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
>   MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GROUP)[2]
>   KeyError: 'getgrnam(): name not found: '

Do you *have* a group called "mailman" in your /etc/groups (or
whereever)?
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