Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL Rant

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:05 PM + 11/16/06, Alain Williams wrote:

>  AFIR AOL will do this if they see lots of mail coming from you, it is an
>  anti spam measure. If you contact them and say that you run mail lists
>  they will enter you into their OK list.

Speaking as the former Sr. Internet Mail System Administrator for 
AOL, I understand all too well what they're doing and why, and just 
how stupid some of their stuff is.

That said, problems with AOL are well-known, and there are entries in 
the FAQ wizard that will provide you the information you need to do 
the best you can to work around the ones we know about.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] default reject message

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Popovitch wrote:

>Is there a way to change the default reject message when denying posts
>from non-subscribers via admindb?


Only by changing the message in the definition of the NonMemberPost
class in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py and/or any translations in
messages//LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po (and rebuilding mailman.mo).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] request.pck does not match heldmsg-Listname files

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Fetch wrote:
>
>I've noticed heldmsg-ListName-* files in mailman/data, which the 
>request.pck file for the given list isn't aware of (the pickle only has a 
>version string).
>
>Is there something which others have used to iterate the request.pck 
>file of all lists, and determine orphaned files in the mailman/data 
>directory so they can be deleted?


I'm not aware of anything that has been written to check for/remove
orphaned heldmsg-list-* files, but if the request.pck is empty
(i.e.contains only the version info), you can just remove any
heldmsg-list-* files either directly or with bin/delete.

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[Mailman-Users] request.pck does not match heldmsg-Listname files

[Ivan Fetch]

Hello,


I've noticed heldmsg-ListName-* files in mailman/data, which the 
request.pck file for the given list isn't aware of (the pickle only has a 
version string).

Is there something which others have used to iterate the request.pck 
file of all lists, and determine orphaned files in the mailman/data 
directory so they can be deleted?


Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] scripts/owners not setting list domain

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter Radcliffe wrote:
>
>I checked I had gotten rid of all the old variables, had run
>add_virtualhost() properly in mm_cfg.py, ran fix_url, restarted the
>qrunners, etc, everything I could find about it until I ran
>across;
>  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-April/050706.html
>
>It seems, as that person says, that scripts/owner calls
>Utils.get_site_email() with no hostname which goes through
>get_domain() to get where it's looking for... which pulls the hostname
>out of mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST.


Yes, but then it looks that up in VIRTUAL_HOSTS


>Now, to my mind, using a URL host for email is never the right answer
>unless no DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST has been configured.


Agreed


>My mm_cfg.py section is thus;
>--
>DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.pir.net'
>DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.pir.net'
>VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
>add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>--
>
>I can't see a way to configure that to get what I think is the right
>answer from 
>  hostname = mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOSTS.get(get_domain(), get_domain())
>but perhaps I'm missing something.


The above says call get_domain() and use the result as a key to be
looked up in VIRTUAL_HOSTS and return the value associated with that
key or if the key is not found, return the result of get_domain().

So get_domain() should return DEFAULT_URL_HOST which when looked up in
VIRTUAL_HOSTS should return DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

I suspect since this is a Mailman 2.0.x upgrade that you may still have
a setting for DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py. If so, remove it, and any
setting for DEFAULT_HOST_NAME. These are deprecated and if present
will override DEFAULT_URL_HOST in get_domain().

>My answer was the following patch to scripts/owner. Since there is a
>known list name at that point why not get the domain to use from it's
>config?

Your patch is OK, but it shouldn't be necessary and it affects bounce
processing which is tricky for owners anyway.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dealing with bounce counts and bounced users

[Mark Sapiro]

Allan Trick wrote:
>
>Here's my question:  how do I uncheck "nomail" for all those people 
>that Mailman didn't think we could communicate with?  Do I need to go 
>in to each one and manually do it?  Also, should I reset the bounce 
>count for those folks?  If so, how is that done?


Re-enabling delivery will reset the bounce count.

See

for how.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do you turn off e-mail command results?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Ben Swihart wrote:
>>
>>When users subscribe, I like sending them a "welcome" e-mail with 
>>introductions, 
>>instructions, etc.  However, if you send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>we are getting this back:
>>
>>"The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>>original message.
>>
>>- Results:
>>Subscription request succeeded.
>>
>>- Done."
>>
>>Is there a way to disable command result notifications?
>
>
>Attached is a patch against Mailman 2.1.6 to do this. The line numbers
>will need adjusting for other releases.


BTW, the command results should not be sent if a welcome will be sent
(send_welcome_msg on General Options is Yes) even without the patch.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] IncomingRunner reached maximum restart

[菊地時夫]

Hi,

George Sexton wrote:

> 
> When the IncomingRunner dies, the new message appears in the qfiles/in 
> folder with an extension of .bak. I've tried deleting and re-creating 
> the list and it still dies. If I remove the .bak message and re-start 
> Mailman, then any queued messages are sent or discarded.

I've filed a bug report and a patch in the sourceforge tracker.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1598087&group_id=103&atid=100103

It may not apply cleanly to the 2.1.7 version but the point is deleting 
lines starting from 'except...' and to the next 'try:' line.

The errorneous messages should be shunted and you can check them in 
qfiles/shunt directory.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] make mailman resend creation email again.

[Mark Sapiro]

Rogelio Nodal wrote:
>
>I have read the mailman manual but still haven't have luck  in finding
>what I want. I want mailman to resend the creation email for a list that
>I created because the users that requested it have not received the
>email yet. This is the only list that have had problems. Is there a
>command to do this? Thanks a lot for your time. You help will be
>appreciated.


There is no way to resend the created notice other than to remove the
list and create it again, but why do you need to resend the notice.
You can just tell them the list is created and what the list password
is. If you don't know the list password, set a new one via the web
admin interface using the site password to log in. Or you can set a
new list password via bin/change_pw which will notify the owner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam

[Mark Sapiro]

Snake wrote:
>
>I am getting a huge amount of spam sent to my list owner addresses for all
>my lists, is there any way I can stop this?
>Can I setup my lists so that only mailman itself can email me and that other
>people cannot send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


As Patrick says in another reply, spam filtering is best done in the
incoming MTA, before it ever gets to Mailman.

However, to answer your question, mail to the -owner address is
processed through a pipeline of handlers defined as OWNER_PIPELINE in
Defaults.py. SpamDetect (i.e.processing of header_filter_rules) is in
that pipeline, but it probably isn't feasable to use
header_filter_rules for this as the same rules apply to list posts,
but you could implement a simple custom handler to discard any message
that didn't have a message-id of the form generated by mailman or a
mailman-like envelope sender or from address and add that to the
OWNER_PIPELINE list.

See


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Re: [Mailman-Users] using special charaters in a mailing list

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter Nyamukusa wrote:
>
>Does any one know how use special charaters such as " - " in a mailing list ie 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


There is nothing in Mailman per se that prohibits using a hyphen (dash,
minus sign) in a list name. I have several lists with hyphenated names.

If you are having difficulty, it may because your MTA treats any '-' in
the local part as a delimiter (whch would also render the list-owner,
list-bounces, etc. addresses unuseable) or some other MTA
configuration issue.

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[Mailman-Users] default reject message

[Jim Popovitch]

Is there a way to change the default reject message when denying posts
from non-subscribers via admindb?

Tia,

-Jim P.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How do you turn off e-mail command results?

[Mark Sapiro]

Ben Swihart wrote:
>
>When users subscribe, I like sending them a "welcome" e-mail with 
>introductions, 
>instructions, etc.  However, if you send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>we are getting this back:
>
>"The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
>original message.
>
>- Results:
>Subscription request succeeded.
>
>- Done."
>
>Is there a way to disable command result notifications?


Attached is a patch against Mailman 2.1.6 to do this. The line numbers
will need adjusting for other releases.

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--- mailman-2.1.6rc4/Mailman/Defaults.py.in 2005-05-12 19:34:39.0 
-0700
+++ mailman-mas/Mailman/Defaults.py.in  2005-05-28 11:22:31.609375000 -0700
@@ -802,6 +802,9 @@
 MEMBER_PASSWORD_LENGTH = 8
 ADMIN_PASSWORD_LENGTH = 10

+# Should Mailman send a response to a successful e-mail 'confirm' command?
+RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = Yes
+

 
 #
--- mailman-2.1.6rc4/Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py2003-11-30 
17:25:46.0 -0800
+++ mailman-mas/Mailman/Commands/cmd_confirm.py 2005-05-28 14:52:15.515625000 
-0700
@@ -73,7 +73,9 @@
 else:
 if ((results[0] == Pending.SUBSCRIPTION and mlist.send_welcome_msg)
 or
-(results[0] == Pending.UNSUBSCRIPTION and mlist.send_goodbye_msg)):

+(results[0] == Pending.UNSUBSCRIPTION and mlist.send_goodbye_msg)
+or
+(not mm_cfg.RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM)):
 # We don't also need to send a confirmation succeeded message
 res.respond = 0
 else:
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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL Rant

[Martin Dennett]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Subject:
> [Mailman-Users] AOL Rant
> From:
> Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:03:03 -0800
> To:
> Mailman-Users@python.org
>
> To:
> Mailman-Users@python.org
>
>
> I've been hosting a few lists using Mailman for quite some time now.
>  Recently AOL has started deferring emails from my server, possibly
> because one person on a list started a new subscription when they
> left AOL and didn't cancel the subscription to the defunct AOL
> address.
>
> AOL sucks!
>
>   
>
> 
>
> Subject:
> Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL Rant
> From:
> Alain Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:
> Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:05:09 +
> To:
> Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> To:
> Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC:
> Mailman-Users@python.org
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 11:03:03AM -0800, Raquel wrote:
>   
>> I've been hosting a few lists using Mailman for quite some time now.
>>  Recently AOL has started deferring emails from my server, possibly
>> because one person on a list started a new subscription when they
>> left AOL and didn't cancel the subscription to the defunct AOL
>> address.
>> 
>
> AFIR AOL will do this if they see lots of mail coming from you, it is an
> anti spam measure. If you contact them and say that you run mail lists
> they will enter you into their OK list.
Not all the time they won't. I found out (the hard way) that even being 
added to their whitelist is no guarantee that they'll deliver your mail. 
However, I have the contact details for the UK AOL Anti-spam analyst 
(after making a lot of noise) and discovered why AOL do what they do.

It can be dependant on some of the URL's that your users regularly add 
to their signature. If the site that's there is on AOL's blacklist, the 
whole mail gets bounced. All you can do at that point is to tell your 
users to refrain from adding the URL. It worked for me - now, I don't 
get any AOL members bouncing.

MD
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[Mailman-Users] Dealing with bounce counts and bounced users

[Allan Trick]

Yahoo! Mail has not been nice to our domain lately.  Since early 
November any messages (including all the ones sent from our Mailman 
system) to people with Yahoo email addresses have bounced--rejected 
by the Yahoo! Mail servers.

I lodged a complaint with Yahoo... it didn't seem like we had done 
anything wrong on our end.  Not an open relay, etc., etc.  They 
acknowledged there was a problem, and day after day the problem 
continued.  The more of our lists an individual with a Yahoo address 
was on, the quicker he or she exceeded the bounce limit.  As of today 
45 people have the "nomail" box checked because of bounces.

But it now looks like Yahoo has finally fixed the problem on their 
end that caused our mail to get rejected.  That's good news!  But 
I've already emailed all the people who have stopped getting mail 
from us via Mailman (I wrote them from a Gmail account since I 
couldn't get to them from my prin.edu account), and have suggested 
they get another email address and change it in Mailman.  That was 
yesterday.  And now that Yahoo is receiving mail from us again, I'm 
going to tell all those people "Never mind."

Here's my question:  how do I uncheck "nomail" for all those people 
that Mailman didn't think we could communicate with?  Do I need to go 
in to each one and manually do it?  Also, should I reset the bounce 
count for those folks?  If so, how is that done?

Thank you!

Allan Trick 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Email

[Mark Sapiro]

Jan Shaw wrote:

>How do I show the individual email addresses of recipient in their  
>To: window ?  They are all members of a list but the sender wants it  
>to look like they are receiving an individual email from him.  I am  
>researching FAQ 3.15. How do I enable personalization.  Is this the  
>right place for the answer? I am unable to locate the "enable  
>personalization to true"  Thanks for your help.


Yes, FAQ 3.15 is the place.

Do you see personalization options on the Non-digest options page in
the admin interface. If not, as the FAQ says, you need to "set the
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION variable to true" in mm_cfg.py.

If this is your Mailman installation, you (or your site admin or
Mailman admin staff) can do this. If this Mailman is hosted by some
servce provider, then you have to ask them and they may refuse to do
it because of performance concerns.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Clean up Archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Tony Molloy wrote:
>
>I know I can delete messages from the list manually by editing the mbox 
>files but I was wondering if it was possibe to "expire the archives" in 
>some way.


I think you would have to create some process as a shell script, Python
script, etc. to delete old messages from the .mbox file and run
bin/arch to rebuild, and then run this process periodically via cron.

Doing this would also invalidate any saved URLs linking to archived
messages as all the message numbers would change.

If you're only concerned about the attachments, you could just
periodically remove all the archives/private//attachments/*
directories older than some cutoff.

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[Mailman-Users] IncomingRunner reached maximum restart

[George Sexton]

I've got a situation with a list that is causing problems. I'm sorry 
this is so long, but here's the things I've done. I've searched the 
archives and I don't seem to see anything that applies.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.7 and I have a list that I can post to. Another 
person cannot post to this list. Any message they send kills the 
IncomingRunner. This person is a moderator on the list, and a list 
administrator. The person who cannot post to List A can post to List B 
without issue.

When the IncomingRunner dies, the new message appears in the qfiles/in 
folder with an extension of .bak. I've tried deleting and re-creating 
the list and it still dies. If I remove the .bak message and re-start 
Mailman, then any queued messages are sent or discarded.

I've looked through the log files, and there are no informative error 
messages that seem to shed any light on this.

I'd really appreciate any kind of help on this issue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/15/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am getting a huge amount of spam sent to my list owner addresses for all
> my lists, is there any way I can stop this?
> Can I setup my lists so that only mailman itself can email me and that other
> people cannot send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This would have to be done on the MTA level, since I believe the
handling of list-owner in mailman is pretty simplistic (i.e., pull a
variable and redirect the mail).

Alternatively, you can always implement reasonable spam filtering
technologies at the MTA level to keep spam away from mailman (which is
where it belongs. Far, far away from mailman.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL Rant

[Alain Williams]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2006 at 11:03:03AM -0800, Raquel wrote:
> I've been hosting a few lists using Mailman for quite some time now.
>  Recently AOL has started deferring emails from my server, possibly
> because one person on a list started a new subscription when they
> left AOL and didn't cancel the subscription to the defunct AOL
> address.

AFIR AOL will do this if they see lots of mail coming from you, it is an
anti spam measure. If you contact them and say that you run mail lists
they will enter you into their OK list.

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[Mailman-Users] AOL Rant

[Raquel]

I've been hosting a few lists using Mailman for quite some time now.
 Recently AOL has started deferring emails from my server, possibly
because one person on a list started a new subscription when they
left AOL and didn't cancel the subscription to the defunct AOL
address.

AOL sucks!

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[Mailman-Users] Too Many Lists?

[Todd Seeleman]

Greetings,

 I've been happily converting text/aliases based lists to mailman
(Tru64 Unix v5.1b, Sendmail 8.13.7, Apache Server version: 
Apache/2.0.54, Mailman version: 2.1.9) and everything has been working 
great.  I have ~150 lists with ~16,000 addresses distributed among them. 
  Most of the lists are < 100 with a few > 2000.  I find when I add 
another list things get goofy.  I can get to a list's admin page fine 
but when I click on another link, even a documentation or logout link, I 
get a "web page not found" browser message.  At this point I cannot even 
logout from the admin page.  When I remove the additional list operation 
returns to normal. I've checked_perms, restarted apache & mailman, and 
searched the FAQ all with no luck.  I seem to be on the border of some 
system limit.  I also copied the installation to a similar, backup 
system and got the same results.  Any ideas?

Todd Seeleman

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Re: [Mailman-Users] finding the date a user subscribed

[Mark Sapiro]

Rusty Wilson wrote:

>Question: is there an easy (or not so easy) way to get a list of users 
>subscribed to a particular list,


See
.


>along with the date they subscribed?


The date is only available in Mailman's 'subscribe' log.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] finding the date a user subscribed

[albi albinootje]

On 11/16/06, Rusty Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Question: is there an easy (or not so easy) way to get a list of users 
> subscribed to a
> particular list, along with the date they subscribed?
>
> I've checked the admin interface (user management) and dont see a way to get 
> at this info.
> I'm looking at the "back-end" now, but wondering if someone has already done 
> this, or has
> some insight for me.

check the mailman logfiles, one of those logfiles should have that info
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[Mailman-Users] finding the date a user subscribed

[Rusty Wilson]

Question: is there an easy (or not so easy) way to get a list of users 
subscribed to a particular list, along with the date they subscribed?

I've checked the admin interface (user management) and dont see a way to get at 
this info. I'm looking at the "back-end" now, but wondering if someone has 
already done this, or has some insight for me.

Thanks!
Rusty



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[Mailman-Users] make mailman resend creation email again.

[Rogelio Nodal]

Hello all:

I have read the mailman manual but still haven't have luck  in finding
what I want. I want mailman to resend the creation email for a list that
I created because the users that requested it have not received the
email yet. This is the only list that have had problems. Is there a
command to do this? Thanks a lot for your time. You help will be
appreciated.

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[Mailman-Users] sendmail error: collect: premature EOM: unexpected close

[Thomas Stocker]

Hello List

I know this is a sendmail problem, but maybe one of you 
has experience with this case.

I've set up mailman 2.1.8 on a Solaris 9 SPARC box. All 
runs fine, exept one mail coming from a java app is 
discarded by sendmail and thus not arriving mailman. I've 
searched the whole day, but found nothing. I've also 
patched sendmail to:

220 bahamas.sila.local ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8; 
Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:14:36 +0100 (CET)

/var/log/syslog states

Nov 15 14:25:47 bahamas sendmail[2873]: [ID 801593 
mail.warning] kAFDElPY002873: collect: premature EOM: 
unexpected close
Nov 15 14:25:47 bahamas sendmail[2873]: [ID 801593 
mail.notice] kAFDElPY002873: collect: unexpected close on 
connection from swexch01lpro.sila.local, 
sender=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nov 15 14:25:47 bahamas sendmail[2873]: [ID 801593 
mail.info] kAFDElPY002873: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1219, 
class=0, nrcpts=1, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, 
relay=swexch01lpro.sila.local [172.25.2.76]

/var/adm/messages says

Nov 10 14:19:28 bahamas sendmail[17781]: [ID 801593 
mail.crit] kAADCavb017781: SYSERR(root): collect: I/O 
error on connection from swexch02rpro.sila.local, 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The network ist stable. MTUs are set correctly. Sending 
Server is an MS Exchange (220 SWEXCH.sila.local Microsoft 
ESMTP MAIL Service,  Version: 6.0.3790.1830 ready at  Wed, 
15 Nov 2006 17:18:58 +0100). All other mails from this 
(and others) server are accepted and threatened correctly.

I have no clue for what to look for, any ideas would be 
appreciated greatly.

TIA

Tom Stocker

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