[Mailman-Users] personalization and limiting number of emails to MTA

[Zbigniew Szalbot]

Hello,

Is it possible within Mailman 2.1.9 to limit the number of emails sent to 
an MTA responsible for delivery so that not all of them are passed on one 
connection? I have a mls with about 600 addresses and the list is set to 
full personalization (monthly anounce list). When I ran it for the first 
time yesterday I saw mailman delivering about half of the emails on one 
connection and probably second half after a slight pause. This pause may 
have been caused by my (old) machine not able to cope with so many emails 
at one time. I just do not know. What I am looking for is limiting the 
number of emails sent by mailman to MTA to some custom defined value. Is 
this possible and if so then how?

Thank you!

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[Mailman-Users] Moderation action

[Dominika Tkaczyk]

Hello, 

I would like my mailing list to have the following configuration: the 
messages from most of subscribers are rejected, and there are a few 
subscribers whose messages are hold for moderation. Is there any way to do 
so without changing the source code? Or maybe there are already some 
patches? 

If I check the moderation checkbox for all subscribers, then I can set only 
one moderation action, but when I uncheck the box for the "priviledged" 
subscribers, their messages aren't hold for moderation. 

I am using Mailman 2.1.9. 

My second question is: does Mailman use any email authorization or it simply 
checks the From: header of messages? 

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending emails via Mailman Issue

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Saxvik, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes the MTA is running on the mailman machine.
>
> No I have not changed the options SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT, they are still
> set to their default settings. SMTPHOST 'localhost' SMTPPORT '0'.

Can you double-check that your MTA is listening on port 25? Either
using: netstat -lnp (and looking for port 25) or: telnet localhost 25
and see if the MTA responds (after a few seconds, probably.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Dominika Tkaczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like my mailing list to have the following configuration: the
> messages from most of subscribers are rejected, and there are a few
> subscribers whose messages are hold for moderation. Is there any way to do
> so without changing the source code? Or maybe there are already some
> patches?
Unfortunately, it looks like, since Moderate.py comes before anything
else, there's no really 'correct' way to do this.

One option that ought to work, however, would be the following:
Moderate all users that you want rejected, and set
member_moderation_action to reject. Unmoderate the users you want
held. Add a header filter rule that matches on everything (something
like a single caret ('^') should suffice), and is set to Hold. I
haven't tested this, and I don't know if it will work or not.

This does seem like something that should be implemented in a more
reasonable manner, though, possibly with the addition of a
'default_member_action,' separate from moderation?

> My second question is: does Mailman use any email authorization or it simply
> checks the From: header of messages?
Mailman only checks the From header, but it also looks for a special
'Approved' header. To use this feature, include an 'Approved:' header
containing the list password (e.g., Approved: foobar), or include it
as the first line of the message. Note that the latter is a bit
dependent on how the message is constructed, so if your email client
handles HTML email weird, and you use that, it's possible that mailman
might miss the header. The handling should be pretty good, though, and
text-only emails should be pretty much foolproof.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderation action

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/30/06, Dominika Tkaczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My second question is: does Mailman use any email authorization or it simply
> > checks the From: header of messages?
> Mailman only checks the From header, but it also looks for a special
> 'Approved' header. To use this feature, include an 'Approved:' header
> containing the list password (e.g., Approved: foobar), or include it
> as the first line of the message.

I should point out that this *does* bypass any type of member
moderation. If a valid 'Approved:' header is included, then the
message bypasses any of those filters. I don't know for sure /which/
filters it bypasses, but I would assume it bypasses all of them. (Can
someone verify this assumption?)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization and limiting number of emails to MTA

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Zbigniew Szalbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible within Mailman 2.1.9 to limit the number of emails sent to
> an MTA responsible for delivery so that not all of them are passed on one
> connection?

Yes, set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and/or SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in
your mm_cfg.py to whichever values you want. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is
probably not important, since you're using full personalization.
SMTP_MAX_SESSION_PER_CONNECTION is what you're asking about, however.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Lonnie Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> There is a "umbrella_list" setting in the "General Options" for my
> lists but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to setup the umbrella list to
> allow posting from people who are on the sub lists. Has someone written an
> explanation of this procedure?

There is a patch available that will allow you to reference other
lists' memberships in the accept_these_nonmembers field. The
'umbrella_list' setting is really just an accessory, which redirects
notifications (e.g., periodic password notifications) to sublist-owner
instead of just sublist (in which case everyone on the sublist would
see sublist's password! Oops!).

The patch, I believe, is here:



Additionally, each sublist either needs 'require_explicit_destination'
set to 'No,' or the address of the umbrella list added to
'acceptable_aliases'.

There may be something I'm missing, but I think that's everything.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists

[Patrick Bogen]

It reportedly applies properly to 2.1.8.. I don't know if anyone's
tried it against 2.1.9. If you're worried, just make a backup of
everything before you patch it.

- Patrick Bogen

P.s., please keep all replies on-list

On 11/30/06, Todd Seeleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> I looked at the patch and it doesn't specifically mention mailman 2.1.9.
>   Will the patch work for that version?
>
> Todd Seeleman
>
> Patrick Bogen wrote:
> > On 11/30/06, Lonnie Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> There is a "umbrella_list" setting in the "General Options" for my
> >> lists but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to setup the umbrella list to
> >> allow posting from people who are on the sub lists. Has someone written an
> >> explanation of this procedure?
> >
> > There is a patch available that will allow you to reference other
> > lists' memberships in the accept_these_nonmembers field. The
> > 'umbrella_list' setting is really just an accessory, which redirects
> > notifications (e.g., periodic password notifications) to sublist-owner
> > instead of just sublist (in which case everyone on the sublist would
> > see sublist's password! Oops!).
> >
> > The patch, I believe, is here:
> > 
> >
> >
> > Additionally, each sublist either needs 'require_explicit_destination'
> > set to 'No,' or the address of the umbrella list added to
> > 'acceptable_aliases'.
> >
> > There may be something I'm missing, but I think that's everything.
> >
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Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization and limiting number of emails to MTA

[Zbigniew Szalbot]

Hello,

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Patrick Bogen wrote:

>> Is it possible within Mailman 2.1.9 to limit the number of emails sent to
>> an MTA responsible for delivery so that not all of them are passed on one
>> connection?
>
> Yes, set SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION and/or SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in
> your mm_cfg.py to whichever values you want. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS is

Thank you very much! I really appreciate this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to setup umbrella lists

[Ann-Louise Augustsson]

Lonnie Norton skrev:
> Hi,

Hi Lonnie,

> There is a "umbrella_list" setting in the "General Options" for my 
> lists but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to setup the umbrella list to 
> allow posting from people who are on the sub lists. Has someone written an 
> explanation of this procedure?

I just have fresh experiences with this problem. In my case there were 
some listmoderators that should be allowed to post to all members in all 
lists that was in the umbrella list constellation. They had to be 
members in all lists, and have the moderation bit unchecked. For all 
ordinary members, the moderation bit should remain checked.

Do you follow?

Best regards,
Ann-Louise Augustsson
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes

[Ken Cheney]

I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows:

Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list

but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list.  Is 
this a problem maybe in the aliases file?

alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases


Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney  wrote:
> Thank you.  Here are my settings for Privacy Options:
>
>   Member Filters:
>   By Default, should new list member postings be moderated?  = Yes
>   Action Taken? = Hold
>   NonMember Filters:
>   Action to take for postings from nonmembers for which no explicit action is 
> defined? = Hold
>   Should messages from non-memebers, which are are discarded be fwded to 
> moderator? =
>   Yes
>
>   As a member of the list with the mod box checked I email the list.  The 
> list not only doesnt
>   make it to the recipients but it doesnt show up in the "Pending moderator 
> requests" section.
Do you have access to the system logs on the machine mailman is
running on? Can you check mailman's vette log (someone correct me if
I'm wrong, please) to see what's happening to the messages you post?

>   Here are also things that don't work which could lead to the problem, they 
> dont sound like
>   they would but I will post them anyway.
>   emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not remove members from the list.
>   if i email from the list owner the emails go to all the list members except 
> the members of the
>   list that have email addresses on my work domain.  Example:
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] - does not get message

Is the machine handling mail for mydomain.com the same machine as that
on which mailman runs?
Can you check your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim, or qmail) logs
to see what's happening to the request you send to listname-leave?

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[Mailman-Users] Subject line filtering

[Duane Clark]

First let me say that I realize that filtering is supposedly better done
at the MTA level (and we are running spam assassin), but I don't have 
access to that level; I am only a moderator for several lists, and I 
would like to be able to do simple filtering without bothering the sys 
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With discard_these_nonmembers, I use regular expressions such as:
^.*paypal\.com
^debora.*
Those seem to work fine.

But I would like to be able to filter on subject lines, and suppose this 
would be done with header_filter_rules. About half of the spam that gets 
through are those recent ubiquitous spams with subject lines like "Linda 
wrote:" and "hi it's Linda". I tried the rules:
^subject:.*hi\sit
^subject:.*wrote:
But they don't seem to work. I am not very familiar with regular 
expressions. Can someone point out something I am doing wrong?

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[Mailman-Users] Logging list creation

[Richard Kirkcaldy]

Hi,
Is there a way to log the creation of new lists?  We've got quite a
few people administering our Mailman server and I'd like announcements
of new lists to be either logged somewhere or, even better, emailed
out to the Mailman list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Ken Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows:
>
> Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> held,
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Post by non-member to a members-only list
The address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member of the list.
That is the address you sent the message from. However, this indicates
the message was held, not rejected or discarded. Are you sure you're
looking at the correct place when you say it doesn't show up as a
moderation task?

> but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list.  Is
> this a problem maybe in the aliases file?
>
> alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
I don't think you need both of these. I'm not completely sure,
however. This might have something to do with why listname-leave isn't
working.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Logging list creation

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Richard Kirkcaldy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to log the creation of new lists?  We've got quite a
> few people administering our Mailman server and I'd like announcements
> of new lists to be either logged somewhere or, even better, emailed
> out to the Mailman list.

I don't believe there's a setting to accomplish this. It shouldn't,
however, be terribly difficult to modify the various methods for
creating lists to generate an announcement to a fixed address,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject line filtering

[Patrick Bogen]

On 11/30/06, Duane Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ^subject:.*hi\sit
> ^subject:.*wrote:
> But they don't seem to work. I am not very familiar with regular
> expressions. Can someone point out something I am doing wrong?

These look fine to me. What do you have the action set to for these rules?
Is it possible the message is being pre-approved some other way?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending emails via Mailman Issue

[Saxvik, Ben]

Hi Patrick,

I tired to telnet to port 25 on localhost and got a connection refused
error.

I verified that sendmail was running and it was. I then proceeded to
/etc/hosts file and found that the loopback address for the machine was
incorrect. Instead of the address being 127.0.0.1 it was ::1. Once I
change it back it was all sweet.

I did apply some patches to my system recently so one of them must have
changed this address.

Again thanks for your assistance.

Regards,

Ben

   

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On 11/30/06, Saxvik, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes the MTA is running on the mailman machine.
>
> No I have not changed the options SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT, they are 
> still set to their default settings. SMTPHOST 'localhost' SMTPPORT
'0'.

Can you double-check that your MTA is listening on port 25? Either
using: netstat -lnp (and looking for port 25) or: telnet localhost 25
and see if the MTA responds (after a few seconds, probably.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes

[Ken Cheney]

I send email to the list using my corprate Outlook client to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
what setting do i have in error that logs [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]  I dont have a mail client on the list server at all.  Strickly 
command line shell only.
   
  The place I am looking is in the main page after login I click on the link on 
the right that says "Tend to pending moderator requests"

Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  On 11/30/06, Ken Cheney wrote:
> I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows:
>
> Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> held,
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Post by non-member to a members-only list
The address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member of the list.
That is the address you sent the message from. However, this indicates
the message was held, not rejected or discarded. Are you sure you're
looking at the correct place when you say it doesn't show up as a
moderation task?

> but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list. Is
> this a problem maybe in the aliases file?
>
> alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
I don't think you need both of these. I'm not completely sure,
however. This might have something to do with why listname-leave isn't
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[Mailman-Users] mail not sent in chroot

[Pierre Forget]

Hi,

mailman-2.1.9
installed from source in chroot
slackware 2.4.32
sendmail 8.13.5 (not chrooted)

I also have a version installed out of chroot, and if I create or 
modify a list from command prompt, I get the confirmation email 
correctly (email telling you that the list was created with passwd, 
etc.).

 From the chrooted version, I can access the web pages, create lists, 
modify lists OK. But, when I do it from the web page, I don't get the 
confirmation email correctly. No errors found in any logs. Seems that 
the mail just disappears.

I can send from chroot with Perl, PHP. I already have a standard mail 
server and an IMAP server running on this machine (HORDE/IMP).

Installed with /usr/local/mailman from root and then copied to the 
chroot, keeping the ownership and permission.

I didn't install the aliases yet, but I presume that the confirmation 
email don't need the aliases. Am I right? When you create the list the 
first time, the list of aliases are sent in an email, so you 
theorically don't need them, until you start using the list.

Thanks for the help,

Pierre Forget



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[Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman with Qmail +VPopmail and using virtual domains

[Dustin]

I have been searching everywhere for like some sort of tutorial on how to
set this up.  The manual is very vague on how to handle virtual domains.

 

I have mailman set up in /home/mailman

 

In /home/mailman I have 3 directories (1 for each of my virtual hosts) 

 

When I went to install mailman I ran 3 separate installs

 

./configure -prefix=/home/maiman/s2i --with-mail-gid=vchkpwd
--with-cgi-gid=www-data --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.3

./configure -prefix=/home/maiman/ce.com --with-mail-gid=vchkpwd
--with-cgi-gid=www-data --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.3

./configure -prefix=/home/maiman/ce.net --with-mail-gid=vchkpwd
--with-cgi-gid=www-data --with-python=/usr/bin/python2.3

 

I am really unsure how to set up the .qmail-default and where to place it.

 

The qmail-to-mailman.py I have in each of the 3 directories.  Another thing
I am unsure of is how to set up the aliases.

 

At the moment my /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains is set to 

lists.stelth2000inc.com:lists.stelth2000inc.com

lists.celestial-essences.net:lists.celestial-essences.net

lists.celestial-essences.com:lists.celestial-essences.com

 

should I be changing the 2nd part to mailman?

 

If anyone could assist me or point me somewhere that will better clarify
what I'm trying to do, that would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance for any assistance provided

 

-Dustin

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject line filtering

[Patrick Bogen]

SpamDetect should be the first handler in the pipeline, which means
that header_filter_rules should be one of the first things checked. I
do not know what is causing your issue.

What does the vette log have to say about these messages?

Please keep all replies on-list.

- Patrick Bogen

On 11/30/06, Duane Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Patrick Bogen wrote:
> > On 11/30/06, Duane Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> ^subject:.*hi\sit
> >> ^subject:.*wrote:
> >> But they don't seem to work. I am not very familiar with regular
> >> expressions. Can someone point out something I am doing wrong?
> >
> > These look fine to me. What do you have the action set to for these rules?
>
> It is set to discard.
>
> > Is it possible the message is being pre-approved some other way?
> >
>
> They have been (and still are) getting caught in the moderation queue.
> Posts of list members do not go in the queue, so I am only checking for
> valid posts that are in the queue for one reason or another. I don't
> know what other things might override this.
>


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[Mailman-Users] Can't login mailman list admin web

[Stanley Chen]

We have a list running 30,000+ list members.

Recently we have sent out several mails to this list, and it's still 
running.

However, we can't login to the admin webpage. After we input password, 
the page was loading as shown in the status bar, but after several 
minutes still can't show the admin page and finally it said "page can't 
be loaded".

How can we solve it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem creating list, unknown language

[Thomas Spuhler]

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 09:27 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
> >When creating a new list, (my first list) I get:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] thomas]# newlist
> >Create a new, unpopulated mailing list.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >Note that listnames are forced to lowercase.
> >
> >Unknown language: en_US
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] thomas]#
> >
> >Same with other languages such as de or fr
>
> I don't know about de or fr, but regarding en_US, see
> 
> (that was Mandravia 10.1)
Thanks. This solved the problem. I don't know how it got there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sending emails via Mailman Issue

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:45 AM +1100 12/1/06, Saxvik, Ben wrote:

>  I verified that sendmail was running and it was. I then proceeded to
>  /etc/hosts file and found that the loopback address for the machine was
>  incorrect. Instead of the address being 127.0.0.1 it was ::1. Once I
>  change it back it was all sweet.

The 127.0.0.1 address is IPv4 localhost, while ::1 is IPv6 localhost. 
So, technically both forms are correct, and which one is preferred 
will depend on which version of the IP stack is loaded on your 
machine, and which IP addresses are assigned to your machine.

You need to check with your network administrator before you make a 
change like this.

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