[Mailman-Users] Groups
Hello, I have recently rebuilt my mail server. Now, after the rebuild I'm finding that userA who is a member of groupZ requires approval to send to groupZ even though they are a member. How do I set this so that doesn't happen. Also, I'm finding that when userA sends to groupZ I get both a notification from the mailman group about this and a notifacation from the mailman group concerning the notifiacation being sent as well as a notification concerning the initial groupZ. Again, I'm a bit confused as to where to change these properties. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Dan Good Independence School District Independence, Iowa -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Groups
Dan Good wrote: I have recently rebuilt my mail server. Now, after the rebuild I'm finding that userA who is a member of groupZ requires approval to send to groupZ even though they are a member. How do I set this so that doesn't happen. Does this happen with all users' posts, just some users' posts or only one user? What is the reason (found in the notice, the admindb interface and the 'vette' log) why the post is held? Also, I'm finding that when userA sends to groupZ I get both a notification from the mailman group about this and a notifacation from the mailman group concerning the notifiacation being sent as well as a notification concerning the initial groupZ. Again, I'm a bit confused as to where to change these properties. Can you be more specific about the subject and contents of the latter two messages? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Best version of Python to use with Mailman 2.1.9?
Now that I've got Mailman up and running relatively smoothly in production mode, I've taken some time to revisit questions primarily involving Python. The Mailman installation I am running has several non-standard lashups and workarounds that really need some cleanup, and Mark Sapiro has convinced me that using Python resources for that work, plus some extensions, is something I ought to consider seriously. I was aware, when I downloaded the Mailman 2.1.9 sources, that the recommended Python is given as 2.4.3. A trip to the Python site showed that 2.4.4 was the latest in that chain, and strongly suggested the current version, 2.5. Since I was under severe time pressure to get my site up and running, I did fairly simple ./configure, make, make test, and make install runs, which produced a usable installation, ending up with the Python 2.5 version. However, I was aware that the Python 2.5 build was not particularly complete, and there were a few regression tests that failed. Accordingly, I've audited the Python build situation for both 2.4.4 and 2.5 on Sun Sparc Solaris 9 and 10, using various versions of gcc and Studio 11 (the Sun Solaris devsys, formerly Forte). The situtation turned out to be far worse than I had thought, and turned into something of a porting effort. I'm left with a nagging impression that perhaps I should fall back to Python 2.4.4. I tried to weave my way through the Sourceforge bug tracker to find out whether I was reinventing the wheel and was unable to pull up some bug reports listed in the README's in the Python 2.5 distribution that pertained to problems I was seeing on my builds. Do the Mailman developers have strong feelings about Python 2.4.4 vs. 2.5? Getting both versions of Python to find needed libraries and include files for such things as Tcl/Tk turned out to be a small matter of reworking the distribution setup.py. Once I realized that Makefiles and environment arguments didn't seem to influence the Python modules invoked during the build process, adding the needed code to the Python modules got results. There were also some minor corrections to existing Python code. It leaves me with a strong impression that I'm sailing in uncharted water. I'm a bit dismayed to discover that Python 2.5 includes a ctypes extension with a very GNU-specific libfbbi implementation. The only thing I could find to compile it was a local build of gcc 4.1.1. Other versions of gcc, including the gcc 3.4.3 that is included with the Solaris 10 O/S, failed to build this library properly. My preference is for a build using the Studio 11 devsys. I can live without a working ctypes in 2.5. But considering the basic changes needed to get either 2.4.4 or 2.5 to do something resembling a complete build, I'm concerned about reliability and robustness. Python is a new language to me, and while I'm beginning to get my arms around it, I think that learning it by getting the distribution to build is a strange way to go about this learning. In short, should I fall back to 2.4.4? Hank -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Groups
On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Good wrote: I have recently rebuilt my mail server. Now, after the rebuild I'm finding that userA who is a member of groupZ requires approval to send to groupZ even though they are a member. How do I set this so that doesn't happen. Does this happen with all users' posts, just some users' posts or only one user? All users What is the reason (found in the notice, the admindb interface and the 'vette' log) why the post is held? How do I get to the admindb interface? Also, I'm finding that when userA sends to groupZ I get both a notification from the mailman group about this and a notifacation from the mailman group concerning the notifiacation being sent as well as a notification concerning the initial groupZ. Again, I'm a bit confused as to where to change these properties. Can you be more specific about the subject and contents of the latter two messages? An example would be userA sends to groupZ. I get a notice form mailman-owner concerning appoval of the e-mail. I get a notice from groupZ concerning approval, and I get a notice from mailman-owner concerning approval forn the approval of the groupZ notice going out. This is for all users. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Thanks Dan Good -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Groups
Mark, One of the messages states Message has implicit destination Thanks Dan On Feb 12, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Good wrote: I have recently rebuilt my mail server. Now, after the rebuild I'm finding that userA who is a member of groupZ requires approval to send to groupZ even though they are a member. How do I set this so that doesn't happen. Does this happen with all users' posts, just some users' posts or only one user? What is the reason (found in the notice, the admindb interface and the 'vette' log) why the post is held? Also, I'm finding that when userA sends to groupZ I get both a notification from the mailman group about this and a notifacation from the mailman group concerning the notifiacation being sent as well as a notification concerning the initial groupZ. Again, I'm a bit confused as to where to change these properties. Can you be more specific about the subject and contents of the latter two messages? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Groups
Dan Good wrote: One of the messages states Message has implicit destination and: Dan Good wrote: I have recently rebuilt my mail server. Did you change any domain names? Implicit destination means the list posting address or an acceptable alias is not found in any To: or Cc: in the post. See the admin interface Privacy options-Recipient filters-require_explicit_destination and acceptable_aliases. If you did change any domain names, if the change affected only the email domain and not the web domain, you can just change General Options-host_name to be the correct email domain. Otherwise see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp and don't overlook the section on Existing versus new lists. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Groups
Dan Good wrote: How do I get to the admindb interface? Something like http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname or via the Tend to pending moderator requests link on the admin pages. Can you be more specific about the subject and contents of the latter two messages? An example would be userA sends to groupZ. I get a notice form mailman-owner concerning appoval of the e-mail. I get a notice from groupZ concerning approval, and I get a notice from mailman-owner concerning approval forn the approval of the groupZ notice going out. This is for all users. Normally, you would receive one message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: listname post from userA requires approval. The body of this message is something like As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List:groupZ From:userA Subject: ... Reason: ... At your convenience, visit: http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname to approve or deny the request. and the original post is attached, and a confirmation message you can reply to is attached. This would appear to be the second of your three messages. Can you give me similar detail about the others. It appears that there may be some bouncing or MTA misdirection going on. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Best version of Python to use with Mailman 2.1.9?
At 10:51 AM -0700 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was aware, when I downloaded the Mailman 2.1.9 sources, that the recommended Python is given as 2.4.3. That recommendation may be a little old. A trip to the Python site showed that 2.4.4 was the latest in that chain, and strongly suggested the current version, 2.5. Use the latest version of 2.4.x. As you've demonstrated, the 2.5 stuff is not yet fully baked, and Mailman 2.1.8 and earlier are not compatible with it. $DEITY-only-knows what else they're going to break in the process of trying to fix 2.5. I'll update the FAQ Wizard to reflect this. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: http://www.lopsa.org Papers: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Best version of Python to use with Mailman 2.1.9?
At 1:03 PM -0600 2/12/07, Brad Knowles wrote: Use the latest version of 2.4.x. As you've demonstrated, the 2.5 stuff is not yet fully baked, and Mailman 2.1.8 and earlier are not compatible with it. $DEITY-only-knows what else they're going to break in the process of trying to fix 2.5. I'll update the FAQ Wizard to reflect this. We also need to get the manual at http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node2.html updated as well. Barry? -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: http://www.lopsa.org Papers: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Umbrealla list member verification
Hi, I'm after some advice about the set up of my mailing lists... any help would be appreciated! I have an number of umbrella lists that sends to a combination of 3 subscriber lists. e.g. U1 sends to S1, S2 and S3, but U2 sends to S1 and S2 only. I'd like it so that any member of a subscriber list can send to an umbrella list... but I'm hot sure how to do that. I think the easiest way would be to set up the sender filter so that it allows members of another list, though I don't know if that's possible. Any suggestions would be great! Thanks, Mark -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrealla list member verification
Mark Paxton wrote: I have an number of umbrella lists that sends to a combination of 3 subscriber lists. e.g. U1 sends to S1, S2 and S3, but U2 sends to S1 and S2 only. I'd like it so that any member of a subscriber list can send to an umbrella list... but I'm hot sure how to do that. I think the easiest way would be to set up the sender filter so that it allows members of another list, though I don't know if that's possible. I think this should be in the FAQ. I'll try to add it soon. Anyway, you have three issues: The first is if S1, S2 and S3 have Privacy options...-Recipient filters-require_explicit_destination = Yes, then the posting address for U1 needs to be in Privacy options...-Recipient filters-acceptable_aliases of S1, S2 and S3 and the posting address for U2 needs to be in Privacy options...-Recipient filters-acceptable_aliases of S1 and S2. The second issue is the membership issue you have identified. There is a patch at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 that will allow you to put @S1, @S2 and @S3 in Privacy options...-Sender filters-accept_these_nonmembers of U1 and @S1 and @S2 in Privacy options...-Sender filters-accept_these_nonmembers of U2. This will allow any member of S1, S2 or S3 to post to U1 and similarly for U2. Without this patch, if you want the sublist members posts to go through to all sublists from the umbrella without being held, You either have to maintain accept_these_nonmembers of U1 and U2 outside of Mailman (you could do it whith a script run by cron that massages the output from bin/list_members into an input file for bin/config_list), or you have to essentially run open lists. The third issue is when a mumber of S1 posts to U1, her post is held by S2 and S3. There are two ways to deal with this. if the mm_cfg.py option USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is Yes or True, you can add the U1-bounces address to accept_these_nonmembers of S1, S2 and S3, and similarly for U2, S1 and S2. In any case, you can add the U1-bounces address as a member with delivery disabled and password reminders off to S1, S2 and S3, and similarly for U2, S1 and S2. Also see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.005.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Regarding converting mailman to a yahoo google groups type of interface
Hello I love and use python a lot. And I m trying to make mailman, into a yahoo groups kind of interface, In that I want to find out if any of you guys tried to do this and integrate it into another webservice? Does mailman uses coroutines to send email, because a coroutine based email gateway can support much more email messages perday than a thread based one Mark -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Regarding converting mailman to a yahoo google groups type of interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love and use python a lot. And I m trying to make mailman, into a yahoo groups kind of interface, In that I want to find out if any of you guys tried to do this and integrate it into another webservice? Does mailman uses coroutines to send email, because a coroutine based email gateway can support much more email messages perday than a thread based one Hi Mark, Questions like this are probably best asked on the mailman-developers list. Please repost your message there. Thanks, - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRdEYEHEjvBPtnXfVAQIS/wP/R4Np37JoRnipUSv9OV069RAGC7wL958e 4myR0qO+7J380gsCUANdElUQHfs8af3tTfbn/XlMUwZYela9D5cYpvdtLKOf2FsS +uieCZBENTA99TMFQQ4K6oezACPPPJ5xSDBgehhHA58t1srjon+BB4hd9QoVRySG FesCh42hRpE= =Wgkv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
