[Mailman-Users] mailman mails are detected as spam

2007-03-14 Thread jetta.view
hi @ll,

if i send an email with using mailman,
many recipients don't get this mail, because
it is detected as spam. e.g. gmx, and 11 do this,

how can i prevent this?

thanks for your help

emmi 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Resending mails to NNTP server

2007-03-14 Thread Schöpflin , Markus
Hello,

we have a mailing list which is gated to a NNTP server in both directions. In 
the past few days, some messages have been lost on the NNTP server due to local 
issues. How can I tell mailman to repost some of the messages to the news 
server? Is this somehow possible?

I'm using mailman-2.1.5.1 and inn-2.3.5 on RHEL4.

TIA,
Markus Schöpflin


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] omitting on the webpage

2007-03-14 Thread Melinda
We are getting ready to implement Mailman and the concern is being able to
omit some items from the Admin webpages.   I can see that the gui has all
the *.py files.  Can you just comment out those lines that you do not want
to show.  Are there more steps than just commenting out the lines in the .py
file under the Gui folder.   I could use a little more direction.

 

I did try commenting out with a # but just got an error about mailman is
having problems.   

 

Thanks

 

Melinda Gilmore

Systems Engineer

OIT/Enterprise Messaging

614-292-4953

 

 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Illegal characters in subscribed name - follow up and resolution

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Maughan
Hi all,

I reported a problem a few days ago where - due to some finger trouble and
being too tired to check properly -  I had managed to mass-subscribe an id
of the form username[EMAIL PROTECTED] (note the missing '' at the
start of the email address.  Mailman accepted the subscription and proceeded
to deliver mail BUT would not let me see or manage the sub in the
subscription page.

A further problem was the subscriber was receiving multiple copies of list
posts.

Investigations with the hosting company (dreamhost), mail tests, feedback
from this list and especially some direct  detailed help from Mark
(Shapiro) helped to resolve the problems to be:

1) the mass subscription page will allow one to subscribe illegal or unusual
user names to the list (username[EMAIL PROTECTED]) which do not appear
in the normal subscription table.
- mass unsub will remove such subscriptions
- Mark  others have discussed whether this is a 'bug' or a 'feature' and
will no doubt respond accordingly :)

2) the user's mail rules were found to be creating extra duplicates and have
now been fixed.

Many thanks again for the help  support; it's good to know there are people
'out there' who care ...

-- 
Regards, Mike
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] omitting on the webpage

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Melinda wrote:

We are getting ready to implement Mailman and the concern is being able to
omit some items from the Admin webpages.   I can see that the gui has all
the *.py files.  Can you just comment out those lines that you do not want
to show.  Are there more steps than just commenting out the lines in the .py
file under the Gui folder.   I could use a little more direction.


If you look in Defaults.py, you will find

# This variable controls the order in which list-specific category
options are
# presented in the admin cgi page.
ADMIN_CATEGORIES = [
# First column
'general', 'passwords', 'language', 'members', 'nondigest',
'digest',
# Second column
'privacy', 'bounce', 'archive', 'gateway', 'autoreply',
'contentfilter', 'topics',
]

If you copy this to mm_cfg.py, you can then remove various categories
from the list in mm_cfg.py, and those links won't appear and you won't
be able to visit those pages. Two additional things:

You can remove 'general' but you can always go to that page anyway
because it is the default.

If you remove things, the columns will rearrange despite the comments.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Resending mails to NNTP server

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Schöpflin, Markus wrote:

we have a mailing list which is gated to a NNTP server in both directions.
In the past few days, some messages have been lost on the NNTP server
due to local issues. How can I tell mailman to repost some of the
messages to the news server? Is this somehow possible?


If you have the source of the messages as received from the list, you
can inject them one at a time into the 'news' queue with bin/inject.

You need the message as received from the list, or you need to add an

X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

header to the message you inject, or cron/gate_news will post it back
to the list.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Mailman Changing real_name Variable in welcome message subject !

2007-03-14 Thread Nuno Gonçalves
Hi all,
 
I am looking a way in order to change the subject of the welcome message.
In the file in [Mailman home directory/Mailman/Deliverer.py] (line 79) there
is a line :
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s')
 
Is there anyway of subtituting the variable realname for one in the
acceptable aliases list (the firts one for instance)?
Is there any variable acceptable_aliases (confs/list.conf) accessable in the
Deliverer.py ?
 
The objective here is that the list address alias is in the subject line
instead of the list realname.
 
Any hint is appreciated
 
best regards to you all

--
Nuno Gonçalves


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Ryan Steele
I have what appears to be a case of GMail eating message posts... allow 
me to explain.

I have a user, [EMAIL PROTECTED], who posts to a Mailman list hosted on 
one of my servers.  According to my Exim and Mailman logs, it is 
received by the MTA, passed on to Mailman, posted successfully, and sent 
back out to all the recipients, including [EMAIL PROTECTED]  However, 
the email never shows up in [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s inbox, spam folder, or 
any other folder.  I went back to check the Exim log for failed or 
delayed deliveries, only to find nothing (well, for [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
anyways :-)

Is it the case that since Mailman makes the posting look like it came 
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (i.e., it's claiming to be that user), and since 
one of the recipients is [EMAIL PROTECTED], that Google drops it at the 
gate and refuses to even handle it because it looks forged?  Has anybody 
else experienced this issue?

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,
Ryan Steele

-- 
Ryan Steele 
Systems Administrator   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AgoraNet, Inc.  (302) 224-2475
314 E. Main Street, Suite 1 (302) 224-2552 (fax)
Newark, DE 19711http://www.agora-net.com

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Ryan Steele ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 I have a user, [EMAIL PROTECTED], who posts to a Mailman list hosted on 
 one of my servers.  According to my Exim and Mailman logs, it is 
 received by the MTA, passed on to Mailman, posted successfully, and sent 
 back out to all the recipients, including [EMAIL PROTECTED]  However, 
 the email never shows up in [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s inbox, spam folder, or 
 any other folder.  I went back to check the Exim log for failed or 
 delayed deliveries, only to find nothing (well, for [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 anyways :-)

One of the features of gmail is that it doesn't show you the return of
mail that you sent to mailing list, only the one you sent (so without the
mailing list subject line prefix, headers, etc).  It's annoying as hell if
you ask me, but that's gmail for you.

-- 
Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/
Don't you just hate them?  Don't you just wanna break their ribs,
cut their backs open and pull their lungs out from behind?
  -- Ina Faye-Lund, on script kiddies
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] How to change the URL of Mailman web interface

2007-03-14 Thread Wei Yu
Hello!

The default url of Mailman is /mailman/. But I want to change it to some
/q/mailman/.
Unfortunately, /q/ is mapped by using ScriptAlias, it means that
ScriptAlias /q/mailman/ will be overrided by /q/.
I tried to make a symbol link to the mailman cgi-bin directory under /q/ but
mailman failed to work.

Any suggestions on this issue?

Thanks.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Dragon
Paul Tomblin wrote:
Quoting Ryan Steele ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  I have a user, [EMAIL PROTECTED], who posts to a Mailman list hosted on
  one of my servers.  According to my Exim and Mailman logs, it is
  received by the MTA, passed on to Mailman, posted successfully, and sent
  back out to all the recipients, including [EMAIL PROTECTED]  However,
  the email never shows up in [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s inbox, spam folder, or
  any other folder.  I went back to check the Exim log for failed or
  delayed deliveries, only to find nothing (well, for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  anyways :-)

One of the features of gmail is that it doesn't show you the return of
mail that you sent to mailing list, only the one you sent (so without the
mailing list subject line prefix, headers, etc).  It's annoying as hell if
you ask me, but that's gmail for you.
 End original message. -

There is a FAQ entry on this.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.042.htp

And yeah, Gmail does some stinky things. (I am not a fan of web mail 
in general, or even IMAP for that matter, give me a good MUA and POP3 
and I am happy).



Dragon

~~~
  Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus)
~~~

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Ryan Steele
Alan McConnell wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:56:41PM -0400, Ryan Steele wrote:
   
 Is it the case that since Mailman makes the posting look like it came 
 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (i.e., it's claiming to be that user), and since 
 one of the recipients is [EMAIL PROTECTED], that Google drops it at the 
 gate and refuses to even handle it because it looks forged?  Has anybody 
 else experienced this issue?
 
   Google/gmail is smarter than we are.  It knows that since
   foobar sent the message, foobar knows what is in the message,
   and therefore doesn't want it cluttering up his(foobar's) Inbox.

 I wrote a letter to the gmail honchos about this, which I reproduce
 below.  Of course I heard nothing.  But maybe if 5 or 50 or 500 of
 us wrote similar messages, something might happen . . .  ?
   

Count me in for doing my part - I've written a similar letter:

To the folks at GMail:

It has been widely discussed and reported that mailing lists and GMail 
to not play nicely together.  For example, if I want to implement 
Mailman, one of the most (if not /the/ most) popular mailing list 
managers, I can expect NOT to receive a response to a list posting using 
my GMail account, if I happen to be a member of that list. 

Obviously, it's because you all either

A) consider the email forged when a message that claims to be from a 
GMail user seems to originate from another server's MTA (e.g., the mail 
server running Mailman), or

B) decide they shouldn't know that their posting was actually received 
by the mailing list by conveniently dropping any message which seems to 
have an identical copy in the Sent folder.

Now, I'm sure that you all consider it a feature that you drop it at 
the gate instead of sending it to the Inbox, or Spam folder, or anwhere 
else the user can identify as having received it, but those of us who 
use, administer, and run mailing list software do not find this to be 
either cute or a feature, as many of us (and the general public) 
prefer not to follow threads both in the Inbox and the Sent folders.  
It's not as big of an issue if you've got a previous instance of the 
thread in your Inbox (e.g., you aren't the creator of the post thread), 
but this is an annoyance if you are.

I know that, up until this point, we've (the community, that is) 
received deafening silence on this issue, so I only find it fair to take 
the standard David vs. Goliath approach, and use my slingshot 
(blogging, and column in the local tech gazette) to toss stones.  Of 
course, if we could simply have the option of toggling off the feature 
that mandates we don't receive copies that are similar to those in our 
Sent boxes, that would be preferable for both parties, I'm sure. 

Thanks for your time!

Ryan Steele
Systems Administrator

 Alan, who enjoys p*ss*ng up waterfalls

   

:-D My co-workers and I got a kick out of that signature!

 (start)
 I would like to have mail that I send to an E-list
 (aka list-serve, E-mail list) from my gmail account,
 accepted when it is sent back to me; it should appear
 in my Inbox.  (I get postings from other list members,
 so the list SW is OK).

 It must have taken effort for Gmail to send these messages
 to /dev/null.  I would like that effort to be undone.

 Many thanks in advance,

 Alan McConnell

  --(finish)

   


-- 
Ryan Steele 
Systems Administrator   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AgoraNet, Inc.  (302) 224-2475
314 E. Main Street, Suite 1 (302) 224-2552 (fax)
Newark, DE 19711http://www.agora-net.com

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Alan McConnell
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 12:56:41PM -0400, Ryan Steele wrote:

 Is it the case that since Mailman makes the posting look like it came 
 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (i.e., it's claiming to be that user), and since 
 one of the recipients is [EMAIL PROTECTED], that Google drops it at the 
 gate and refuses to even handle it because it looks forged?  Has anybody 
 else experienced this issue?
Google/gmail is smarter than we are.  It knows that since
foobar sent the message, foobar knows what is in the message,
and therefore doesn't want it cluttering up his(foobar's) Inbox.

I wrote a letter to the gmail honchos about this, which I reproduce
below.  Of course I heard nothing.  But maybe if 5 or 50 or 500 of
us wrote similar messages, something might happen . . .  ?

Alan, who enjoys p*ss*ng up waterfalls

(start)
I would like to have mail that I send to an E-list
(aka list-serve, E-mail list) from my gmail account,
accepted when it is sent back to me; it should appear
in my Inbox.  (I get postings from other list members,
so the list SW is OK).

It must have taken effort for Gmail to send these messages
to /dev/null.  I would like that effort to be undone.

Many thanks in advance,

Alan McConnell

 --(finish)

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://patriot.net/users/alan
He lies.  He spies.  He wants us to ignore
His war . . .   Impeach him!
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Paul Tomblin
Quoting Dragon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Paul Tomblin wrote:
 Quoting Ryan Steele ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
  any other folder.  I went back to check the Exim log for failed or
  delayed deliveries, only to find nothing (well, for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  anyways :-)
 
 One of the features of gmail is that it doesn't show you the return of
 mail that you sent to mailing list, only the one you sent (so without the
 mailing list subject line prefix, headers, etc).  It's annoying as hell if
 you ask me, but that's gmail for you.
  End original message. -
 
 There is a FAQ entry on this.
 
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.042.htp

That FAQ entry says absolutely nothing about the issue in question.  GMail
isn't rejecting the message thinking it's spam, they're discarding your
copy of it.  Other gmail users will recieve it, it's only the sender who
won't see it.

-- 
Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.xcski.com/
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he
that demands one iota more is a fool.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Gmail eats MM messages

2007-03-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:49 PM -0400 3/14/07, Paul Tomblin wrote:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.042.htp

  That FAQ entry says absolutely nothing about the issue in question.  GMail
  isn't rejecting the message thinking it's spam, they're discarding your
  copy of it.  Other gmail users will recieve it, it's only the sender who
  won't see it.

Well, you can always update the FAQ entry in question, or create a 
new FAQ entry for this subject.  It is a community-supported effort, 
and the instructions for updating the FAQ entries can be found within 
the editing interface of the FAQ Wizard itself.

-- 
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant  Author
LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu
Slides from Invited Talks: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] hello genaliases

2007-03-14 Thread Gustavo U. Navarro
Mark
Thanks very much..
It is ok..

Gus

Mark Sapiro escribió:
 Gustavo U. Navarro wrote:

   
 Mark Sapiro escribió:
 
 Gustavo U. Navarro wrote:

   
   
 I need generate a file aliases in mailman.. for postfix..
 
 
 Do you have 

 MTA = 'Postfix'

 in mm_cfg.py?


   
   
 not because I use local domain and not virtual domain
 these is part of my file mm_cfg.py
 


 You still need MTA = 'Postfix' in mm_cfg.py if you want Mailman to
 generate and maintain the data/aliases* files for Postfix.


   
 #-
 # Uncomment this if you configured your MTA such that it
 # automatically recognizes newly created lists.
 # (see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.{EXIM,...})
 # MTA=None # Misnomer, suppresses alias output on newlist

 #-
 # Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains, but be sure to
 # read /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.POSTFIX first.
 # MTA='Postfix'

 # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, 
 but you
 # didn't find it above, it's probably in 
 /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py.
 


 I don't know what brain dead packager put those comments in mm_cfg.py,
 but that comment is just wrong. If you want Mailman to generate
 aliases for Postfix, you need MTA = 'Postfix' whether or not you are
 using virtual domains. See
 http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node12.html. You need to do the
 things discussed in sec 6.1.1 in any case. If you are using Postfix
 virtual domains, you also need the things discussed in section 6.1.2.

 You may also find the comments in Defaults.py regarding MTA and
 POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS to be of interest.


   
 but when I put  /bin/genaliases..

 I can't  generarte..
 
 
 What happens when you give the bin/genaliases command? What is the
 response?

   
   
 ## lista de distribuci?n mailman
 mailman: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 mailman-admin: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
 mailman-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
 mailman-confirm: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
 mailman-join: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
 mailman-leave: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
 mailman-owner: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
 mailman-request: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
 mailman-subscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
 mailman-unsubscribe: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
 


 Because you have not overridden the default MTA = 'Manual', genaliases
 just prints the aliases for you to deal with manually.

   

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman mails are detected as spam

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
jetta.view wrote:

if i send an email with using mailman,
many recipients don't get this mail, because
it is detected as spam. e.g. gmx, and 11 do this,

how can i prevent this?


Here are some things to consider.

First, this is really a question for the ISPs that are blocking the
mail, preferrably asked by a paying customer asking why are you
censoring my mail and blocking mail I wish to receive.

Second, If you are trying to diagnose this, it is important to know
whether these ISPs are blocking all mail from your server or just mail
from Mailman. Can you send non-Mailman mail directly from the same MTA
or at least the same IP address that Mailman mail comes from? Does
that mail get blocked? If so, the issue is with your server, not with
Mailman. You can look up your server's IP address at several web sites
to see if it is listed in various spam block lists. Some of these are
http://openrbl.org/, http://www.dnsstuff.com/,
http://moensted.dk/spam/ and
http://www.completewhois.com/rbl_lookup.htm.

Third, there is a small FAQ you may find helpful at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.042.htp.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Changing real_name Variable in welcomemessage subject !

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Nuno Gonçalves wrote:

I am looking a way in order to change the subject of the welcome message.
In the file in [Mailman home directory/Mailman/Deliverer.py] (line 79) there
is a line :
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s')


Is there anyway of subtituting the variable realname for one in the
acceptable aliases list (the firts one for instance)?
Is there any variable acceptable_aliases (confs/list.conf) accessable in the
Deliverer.py ?


You could do this in several ways. If you really want to do exactly
what you said, you could change

realname = self.real_name
msg = Message.UserNotification(
self.GetMemberAdminEmail(name), self.GetRequestEmail(),
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s'),
text, pluser)

to

realname = self.acceptable_aliases[0]
msg = Message.UserNotification(
self.GetMemberAdminEmail(name), self.GetRequestEmail(),
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s'),
text, pluser)

but then you have to guarantee that every list has at least one entry
in acceptable_aliases, because referencing self.acceptable_aliases[0]
will throw an IndexError exception if the acceptable_aliases list is
empty.

A more realistic approach would just be to use the normal list posting
address, not an alias. Then the code would be

realname = self.getListAddress()
msg = Message.UserNotification(
self.GetMemberAdminEmail(name), self.GetRequestEmail(),
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s'),
text, pluser)

Note that both of the above change only the first line - the assignment
to realname.

If you really wanted to get fancy and use an alias iff there was one,
you could do

if self.acceptable_aliases:
realname = self.acceptable_aliases[0]
else:
realname = self.getListAddress()
msg = Message.UserNotification(
self.GetMemberAdminEmail(name), self.GetRequestEmail(),
_('Welcome to the %(realname)s mailing list%(digmode)s'),
text, pluser)


-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


[Mailman-Users] Show bounce score

2007-03-14 Thread Carl Paukstis

Is there an easy way for me as server operator, or for list owners, to
find out the bounce score and other bounce-processing details for an
individual subscriber address (or all subscribers on a list)?

-- 
Carl Paukstis   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WetLeather.com  /  Micapeak.com  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.paukstis.com/
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp


Re: [Mailman-Users] Show bounce score

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Sapiro
Carl Paukstis wrote:

Is there an easy way for me as server operator, or for list owners, to
find out the bounce score and other bounce-processing details for an
individual subscriber address (or all subscribers on a list)?


The easiest way to check an individual subscriber is to find the person
in the admin Membership list and follow the link to their options
page, and if they have a bounce score it is reported on that page.

For a single user or an entire list, you can grep Mailman's bounce log
(or logs if they rotate) for the user's email or the list name.

You could also make a withlist script to report the bounce info for
bouncing members. I just added a simple one (get_bounce_info.py) to my
examples at http://veenet.value.net/~msapiro/scripts/ (mirror
http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/). At a minimum it could use an
option to ignore stale info.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp