Re: [Mailman-Users] Placing a list member on "hold"

[Jeffrey Goldberg]

On Apr 19, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> A list admin can set a member to nomail and change the
> members password so the member can't log in, but there's no way for a
> list admin without additional access to the Mailman installation to
> find the original password before changing it so it can be changed
> back.

Also the member can always request to have their password mailed to  
them.  So this really isn't a solution.

-j


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Re: [Mailman-Users] cPanel Purgatory??!!??

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>I am going INSANE!!!Below are 3 different examples of footers sent out 
>with posts from just 3 out of the dozen+ Lists I have behind cPanel.  I have 
>spent HOURS
>trying to find differences between the 3 for the settings for "footers" and 
>their HTML
>"sending" and CANNOT!!


cPanel has it's own mods having to do with footers and I have no idea
exactly what they are or what they do, except I know that they can
cause duplication of attached images in posts. See
 (registration
required). Also see
.


>Not sure if the actual "pictures" of either actual html or just "print" with 
>come thru, so...


What would actually be helpful would be just the contents of msg_footer.


What follows talks about two things - our mailman package and MUAs. The
Mailman stuff may or may not apply to cPanel.

In general you can't put html tags in msg_footer and have them work as
html in the message, because the footer is always inserted/attached in
a text/plain part. Thus if I put

http://www.sprite-midgetclub.org";>http://www.sprite-midgetclub.org

in msg_footer, what you will see in the email is exactly what you see
in this post. It may look like raw html without any 'clickable' link.
It may have somm clickable part(s) which may or may not be exactly
http://www.sprite-midgetclub.org. What it looks like is a function of
your MUA.

If I just put the URL or the URL in <> brackets as I have done with
several URLs already in this post, it may or may not show as
'clickable' when you view the mail. This depends entirely on your MUA
and whether or not it tries to make text that looks like a URI/URL
into a clickable link.


>**
>in this one just the 4th line comes thru as clickable and I added it just as 
>you can read.  no "code".
>___
>50thcommittee mailing list
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://sprite-midgetclub.info/mailman/listinfo/50thcommittee_sprite-midgetclub.info
>http://www.sprite-midgetclub.org
>**


The MUA I'm using to read/reply to this message shows both the 3rd and
4th lines as clickable.


>**
>in this one both lines 2 + 3 come thru as "clickable".  As do most of the 
>others.
>___
>50thcommittee mailing list
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://spritespree.org/mailman/listinfo/50thcommittee_spritespree
>***


Above, I see only the 3rd line as clickable.


>***
>in this one NONE come thru as "clickable"?!?  Nor did I add the "leave" line??
>___
>Notify mailing list
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://justbrits.com/mailman/listinfo/notify_justbrits.com
>###as the end of Line 4 was the end of my "paste" it changed to "clickable".###


This is your MUA doing this.


>The only reason I am posting to group is that maybe it (and the solution) 
>would help
>others "trapped" like I am -:)-:)
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Ed
>www.justbrits.com


The MUA I'm using shows the domain above as clickable because it begins
with "www."

The MUA I'm using shows no email addresses as clickable. Others do.

Bottom line:

You can't control what other people's MUA's are going to do. You can't
put actual html tags in msg_footer. Going through contortions to make
something look a certain way when YOU view it with YOUR MUA is wasted
effort because it won't look the same with other MUA's. Just put plain
email addresses and URIs/URLs in msg_footer; it's the only way to
guarantee that everyone sees something reasonable.

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[Mailman-Users] cPanel Purgatory??!!??

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Gents:

I am going INSANE!!!Below are 3 different examples of footers sent out with 
posts from just 3 out of the dozen+ Lists I have behind cPanel.  I have spent 
HOURS
trying to find differences between the 3 for the settings for "footers" and 
their HTML
"sending" and CANNOT!!

Not sure if the actual "pictures" of either actual html or just "print" with 
come thru, so...
**
in this one just the 4th line comes thru as clickable and I added it just as 
you can read.  no "code".
___
50thcommittee mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://sprite-midgetclub.info/mailman/listinfo/50thcommittee_sprite-midgetclub.info
http://www.sprite-midgetclub.org
**
**
in this one both lines 2 + 3 come thru as "clickable".  As do most of the 
others.
___
50thcommittee mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://spritespree.org/mailman/listinfo/50thcommittee_spritespree
***
***
in this one NONE come thru as "clickable"?!?  Nor did I add the "leave" line??
___
Notify mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://justbrits.com/mailman/listinfo/notify_justbrits.com
###as the end of Line 4 was the end of my "paste" it changed to "clickable".###

The only reason I am posting to group is that maybe it (and the solution) would 
help
others "trapped" like I am -:)-:)

Thanks!!

Ed
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives again

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 10:53 AM -0600 4/19/07, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
>
>>  There's a FAQ entry on importing archives.  However, if the
>>  instructions are followed, the existing list.mbox would be overwritten
>>  with an old archive.
>
>No, I don't think so.  It just reads from the specified mbox file, or 
>from the default mbox file if you don't give it a different one.  The 
>"cooked" text & HTML indexes will be rebuilt during the process, but 
>the "raw" mbox file should be read by the process, but otherwise 
>untouched.


I believe Ivan is concerned about the first step in the FAQ which says
"If your archive is in mbox format copy it to
archives/private/.mbox/.mbox".

That is written in the context of importing an archive into a brand new
list which has no posts yet. If the list has been running for a while
and has a non-empty archives/private/.mbox/.mbox file, you
don't want to overwrite it with the old archive .mbox file.


>>That surely cannot be right.  Can I put it
>>  someplace else in order to import it?  Shouldn't I lock the list while
>>  running bin/arch?


You have lots of choices. You don't need to lock the list. bin/arch
locks the archive.

Your choices depend on whether or not you care about message numbers in
the archive and whether they should be preserved (they are part of the
message URL), and how much trouble you want to go to the 'next time'.
Here's a rough summary of your choices. You may want to briefly stop
mailman if you are merging into the existing .mbox to prevent it from
being updated while you are manipulating it.

1) append the old archive .mbox to the existing archive .mbox and run
bin/arch --wipe 

2) prepend the old archive .mbox to the existing archive .mbox and run
bin/arch --wipe 

3) just run bin/arch  /path/to/old/.mbox

Choice 1) preserves the message numbers for the current archive but
gives a non-chronological .mbox file.

Choice 2) gives a chronological .mbox file, but alters message numbers
for the current archive.

Choice 3) is the simplest, but it complicates future rebuilding and
makes it very difficult to preserve message numbers in a future
rebuild.

Also note, it is a good idea to run bin/cleanarch to at least check all
the .mbox files.


>>  I've got seven years worth of archives to do for as many lists, so I'd
>>  really like to get this right.  I'd be happy to edit the FAQ once I
>>  know the proper steps.  (And if I missed the answers in my admittedly
>>  cursory search of the mailman-users archives, they should still be
>>  inserted into the FAQ.)
>
>So far as I know, the FAQ is pretty complete on this topic.  If 
>there's anything missing, please let us know.


The FAQ could be updated for the 'merging archives' case. Please do if
you feel you could help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receiving mail, but mail not going out.

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>If you've got all the queue runners going, I have no idea why 
>incoming mail would just be sitting in the queue and not being 
>processed.
>
>Maybe Mark Sapiro or Tokio Kikuchi can help.


Is your 'in' queue sliced? I.e., do you have anything involving
QRUNNERS in mm_cfg.py?  Or from the other view, in the 'ps' output
does the command for IncomingRunner contain the option
'--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1'? If it says 0:1, it's not sliced, but if
for example, the second digit is 2, you must have both a 0:2 and a 1:2
IncomingRunner. This is covered in the last paragraph of sec 5)b) of
.


What are the files in the 'in' queue? Are they .pck files or .bak files?

Are there any errors in Mailman's error log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users NOT getting multiple copies of the samemessage, and they WANT them

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 12:14 PM -0400 4/19/07, McNutt Jr, William R wrote:
>
>>  Recently they've noticed that although the messages show up in the
>>  archives, they are not getting a copy of the message from each list,
>>  only the first one.
>
>My guess is that they're using Google, which has this "helpful" 
>concept of eliminating any copies of messages that it thinks might 
>potentially be duplicates of other messages, and sometimes it is 
>wrong.
>
>I think that this issue is discussed in the FAQ, but I could be wrong.


It's mentioned at the bottom of
,
but my understanding of the gmail issue is that the gmail poster would
see no messages from any list because they 'match' the sent message.
Other gmail list members would see only one of the list posts because
the ones from other lists all match.


>>  Is this a mailman feature?
>
>Nope, at least not unless I've misunderstood what you're asking.


The original 'no dups' patch was intended to do this, but it was never
distributed in an official release. Currently, Mailman delivers from
each list to all regular members of that list except the poster if the
poster selects 'not metoo' and any members in To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or
Resent-Cc: who have selected 'no dups' for that list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:30 PM -0700 4/19/07, David Southwell wrote:

>  UMPh - nothing like the circumstances referred to in any of the FAQ,s which
>  focus on the need for reauthentication . The circumstances I describe, have
>  nothing to do with that issue as the need for re-authorization does not
>  occur.

Those FAQ entries relate to changes being made in the user interface, 
but not being saved by Mailman, and this kind of problem can have a 
number of different causes.

I referenced those FAQ entries because your problem sounded vaguely 
similar, albeit not identical.

>  This seems to be a bug where the [list-owner_ID] is not being properly
>  maintained. I realize I have a possible clue that may help someone who is
>  familiar with mailman's logic. The original email address for the owner was
>  given in error. It was an email address that would not have been validatable!
>  Does that help anyone to get to the bottom of this?

That's as far as I can go.  Maybe Mark or Tokio will have more luck.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receiving mail, but mail not going out.

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:05 PM -0400 4/19/07, Richard Healy wrote:

>  Apologies.  I didn't copy and paste enough of the log file.  Looks like
>  all the qrunners are going (evidenced by a ps aux | grep python as well).

Ahh, okay.  I misunderstood.  Nevermind.


If you've got all the queue runners going, I have no idea why 
incoming mail would just be sitting in the queue and not being 
processed.

Maybe Mark Sapiro or Tokio Kikuchi can help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[Mark Sapiro]

David Southwell wrote:
>
>On a list the email address for the list owner was changed.


How?


>1. When logging on to admin/listname the old owner run by address is shown on 
>the Administrator Authentication page.


Sounds like a page cached in a proxy.


>2. Clicking on the run by address in the Administrator Authentication page 
>causes the old address to be passed to mail program.


The target address of the mailto: link is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
regardless of who the owner is.


>3. On the Mailing list general options page the new owners run by address is 
>shown.


What is in the owner box on this page?


>4 Clicking on the run by address in Mailing list general options page causes 
>the old address to be passed to mail program.


What do you mean by the old address? The address should be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (with appropriate listname and domain) in
all cases. Changing 'owner' changes the displayed text for the mailto:
link and it changes the address to which Mailman ultimately delivers
listname-owner email, but it doesn't change the target of the mailto:
link.


>5. All other pages are as 1 & 2 unless they are reloaded. Following reload 
>they behave as 3&4.
>6. After logout state 5 is again applicable.


Still sounds like cached pages (outside Mailman), although why cache
wouldn't be permanently refreshed on a reload, I don't know.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration check

[Mark Sapiro]

David Southwell wrote:
>
>Is there a mailman command that dumps the current running configuration 
>options?


If you mean the options specified to configure when the software was
initially configured, the answer is No. Some options are evident in
certain settings in Defaults.py, but --with-mail-gid isn't one of them.


>I have been having trouble with the --with-mail-gid=mailman option and errors 
>reports. I am wanting to check whether I am getting the errors messages. This 
>means either --with-mail-gid=mailman is not set OR something else is going 
>wrong. I believe the latter to be the case OR something is not correct with 
>the compile.


Did you configure and make Mailman? If so, the configure command line
should be available in config.log in the directory you configured in.

If this is a package, be aware that various packagers use various
tricks to enable setting of the expected mail group at run time.

Also see
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Placing a list member on "hold"

[Mark Sapiro]

Karl Zander wrote:
>  
>Is there a away to place a list member on "hold".  That 
>is, set them to "nomail" and prevent them from logging in 
>to change back to getting mail.  Of course we can 
>unsubscribe the member.  We have a need to sometimes 
>review a member's membership status on the lists.  The 
>list administrators would like to temporarily place them 
>on hold without have to unsubscribe them while this review 
>is underway.


Not really. A list admin can set a member to nomail and change the
members password so the member can't log in, but there's no way for a
list admin without additional access to the Mailman installation to
find the original password before changing it so it can be changed
back.

Also, members could still post even though set to nomail so you'l
probably need to moderate them too.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman post mail to list error

[Mark Sapiro]

Calvin Muller wrote:

>I have followed every one of those posts that state the problem in ubuntu
>but there is no fix for it that I can seem to find, If you know how to
>correct these issues I would greatly appreciate it.


Did you see my actual post which is archived at
?
If not, I think it would be good to add me to your whitelist.

That post attempts to tell you how you can correct this problem. If you
attempt to follow that procedure and have problems, please ask
specific questions related to that procedure.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[Jeffrey Goldberg]

On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:30 PM, David Southwell wrote:

> This seems to be a bug where the [list-owner_ID] is not being properly
> maintained. I realize I have a possible clue that may help someone  
> who is
> familiar with mailman's logic. The original email address for the  
> owner was
> given in error. It was an email address that would not have been  
> validatable!
> Does that help anyone to get to the bottom of this?

Can you please post the result of

   ls -la mailman/data

As I understand things, you installed mailman from FreeBSD ports.  Am  
I correct in that assumption?

If you did, did you modify the Makefile or use any special settings  
when installing?

Did you use the Postfix option when installing mailman from ports?

If so the mailman wrapper should have been compiled with mail-gid=nobody

Did you also install postfix from ports?  Did you modify the  
installation process at all?  Postfix (at least the version installed  
with ports on FreeBSD is happy  to have the various aliases files and  
databases owned by "nobody"

Anyway, answering these questions should help clear things up.   
Especially give that directly listing I asked for.

Cheers,

-j


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[David Southwell]

On Thursday 19 April 2007 12:35:28 Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 5:23 AM -0700 4/19/07, David Southwell wrote:
> >  1. When logging on to admin/listname the old owner run by address is
> > shown on the Administrator Authentication page.
> >  2. Clicking on the run by address in the Administrator Authentication
> > page causes the old address to be passed to mail program.
> >  3. On the Mailing list general options page the new owners run by
> > address is shown.
> >  4 Clicking on the run by address in Mailing list general options page
> > causes the old address to be passed to mail program.
> >  5. All other pages are as 1 & 2 unless they are reloaded. Following
> > reload they behave as 3&4.
> >  6. After logout state 5 is again applicable.
>
> Hmm.  This sounds like it might be related to the kinds of problems
> discussed in FAQ 4.45, 4.65, and 4.71, although I may be wrong.  You
> should at least check them out and follow the relevant links that are
> provided.
Thanks for your input BUT...

UMPh - nothing like the circumstances referred to in any of the FAQ,s which 
focus on the need for reauthentication . The circumstances I describe, have  
nothing to do with that issue as the need for re-authorization does not 
occur.

This seems to be a bug where the [list-owner_ID] is not being properly 
maintained. I realize I have a possible clue that may help someone who is 
familiar with mailman's logic. The original email address for the owner was 
given in error. It was an email address that would not have been validatable! 
Does that help anyone to get to the bottom of this?
david

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receiving mail, but mail not going out.

[Richard Healy]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 12:17 PM -0400 4/19/07, Richard Healy wrote:
> 
>>   Mail is being received and passed to mailman and 
>> placed in
>>  the mailman queue - where it sits.
> 
> If the mail is getting into the Mailman queue and not being processed, 
> that tells me that the inbound queue runner is either not running at 
> all, or not working properly.
> 
>>  The ~mailman/logs/qrunner shows nothing except when I stop and restart
>>  mailmanctl:
>>  Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9492) VirginRunner qrunner started.
>>  Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9491) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
> 
> There's no "IncomingRunner" being shown.  There's your problem.
> 
> There's also a bunch of other runners that aren't being shown, which is 
> also a problem.  The stuff you show above should look more like this:
> 
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79940) VirginRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79936) CommandRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79939) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79934) ArchRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79937) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79938) NewsRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79941) RetryRunner qrunner started.
> Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79935) BounceRunner qrunner started.
> 


Apologies.  I didn't copy and paste enough of the log file.  Looks like all the 
qrunners are going (evidenced by a ps aux | grep python as well).

This is what the log says:

Apr 19 12:43:57 2007 (4432) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:57 2007 (4434) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:57 2007 (4435) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:57 2007 (4433) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:58 2007 (4436) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:59 2007 (4438) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:59 2007 (4437) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 12:43:59 2007 (4439) RetryRunner qrunner started.


So that doesn't appear to be the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives again

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:53 AM -0600 4/19/07, Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

>  There's a FAQ entry on importing archives.  However, if the
>  instructions are followed, the existing list.mbox would be overwritten
>  with an old archive.

No, I don't think so.  It just reads from the specified mbox file, or 
from the default mbox file if you don't give it a different one.  The 
"cooked" text & HTML indexes will be rebuilt during the process, but 
the "raw" mbox file should be read by the process, but otherwise 
untouched.

Of course, if you want to be extra careful, you could always copy the 
mbox file to a backup location, before doing any work with it.

>That surely cannot be right.  Can I put it
>  someplace else in order to import it?  Shouldn't I lock the list while
>  running bin/arch?

In my experience, that's not necessary.  And I've imported mboxes 
that were larger than 2GB in size, when rebuilding the archives for 
some ultra-busy mailing lists hosted on python.org.

>  I've got seven years worth of archives to do for as many lists, so I'd
>  really like to get this right.  I'd be happy to edit the FAQ once I
>  know the proper steps.  (And if I missed the answers in my admittedly
>  cursory search of the mailman-users archives, they should still be
>  inserted into the FAQ.)

So far as I know, the FAQ is pretty complete on this topic.  If 
there's anything missing, please let us know.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman receiving mail, but mail not going out.

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:17 PM -0400 4/19/07, Richard Healy wrote:

>   Mail is being received and passed to mailman and placed in
>  the mailman queue - where it sits.

If the mail is getting into the Mailman queue and not being 
processed, that tells me that the inbound queue runner is either not 
running at all, or not working properly.

>  The ~mailman/logs/qrunner shows nothing except when I stop and restart
>  mailmanctl:
>  Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9492) VirginRunner qrunner started.
>  Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9491) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

There's no "IncomingRunner" being shown.  There's your problem.

There's also a bunch of other runners that aren't being shown, which 
is also a problem.  The stuff you show above should look more like 
this:

Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79940) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79936) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79939) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79934) ArchRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79937) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79938) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79941) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Apr 18 20:22:56 2007 (79935) BounceRunner qrunner started.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Users NOT getting multiple copies of the same message, and they WANT them

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:14 PM -0400 4/19/07, McNutt Jr, William R wrote:

>  Recently they've noticed that although the messages show up in the
>  archives, they are not getting a copy of the message from each list,
>  only the first one.

My guess is that they're using Google, which has this "helpful" 
concept of eliminating any copies of messages that it thinks might 
potentially be duplicates of other messages, and sometimes it is 
wrong.

I think that this issue is discussed in the FAQ, but I could be wrong.

>  Is this a mailman feature?

Nope, at least not unless I've misunderstood what you're asking.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:23 AM -0700 4/19/07, David Southwell wrote:

>  1. When logging on to admin/listname the old owner run by address is shown on
>  the Administrator Authentication page.
>  2. Clicking on the run by address in the Administrator Authentication page
>  causes the old address to be passed to mail program.
>  3. On the Mailing list general options page the new owners run by address is
>  shown.
>  4 Clicking on the run by address in Mailing list general options page causes
>  the old address to be passed to mail program.
>  5. All other pages are as 1 & 2 unless they are reloaded. Following reload
>  they behave as 3&4.
>  6. After logout state 5 is again applicable.

Hmm.  This sounds like it might be related to the kinds of problems 
discussed in FAQ 4.45, 4.65, and 4.71, although I may be wrong.  You 
should at least check them out and follow the relevant links that are 
provided.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration check

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:01 AM -0700 4/19/07, David Southwell wrote:

>  Is there a mailman command that dumps the current running configuration
>  options?

Did you search the FAQ Wizard or the documentation?  Did you see FAQ 4.9?

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[Mailman-Users] Importing archives again

[Ivan Van Laningham]

Hi All--
There's a FAQ entry on importing archives.  However, if the
instructions are followed, the existing list.mbox would be overwritten
with an old archive.  That surely cannot be right.  Can I put it
someplace else in order to import it?  Shouldn't I lock the list while
running bin/arch?

I've got seven years worth of archives to do for as many lists, so I'd
really like to get this right.  I'd be happy to edit the FAQ once I
know the proper steps.  (And if I missed the answers in my admittedly
cursory search of the mailman-users archives, they should still be
inserted into the FAQ.)

Thanks all.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman receiving mail, but mail not going out.

[Richard Healy]

I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on RH FC3.
Okay, I've searched the list and have read through many posts.  I've read the 
FAQ about what to check 
(http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp).  
Checked 
everyone and made sure all was working: crons, mailmanctl, etc. Qrunner is 
running, all 8 processes.  Sendmail is using smrsh, but mailman is in 
/etc/smrsh 
linking correctly. Mail is being received and passed to mailman and placed in 
the mailman queue - where it sits.

I'm using sendmail as the MTA and the problem is probably with it, but I can't 
figure it out. I've configured it to accept mail from all domains, to not do a 
DNS lookup. All the aliases are in /etc/aliases. The db has been refreshed. 
Sendmail restarted.

The ~mailman/logs/qrunner shows nothing except when I stop and restart 
mailmanctl:
Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9492) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Apr 19 11:55:56 2007 (9491) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.

Nothing shows up /usr/local/mailman/logs/error.
Nothing shows up /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp.

Here's the tail maillog:

Apr 19 12:14:06 cuttyhunk sendmail[9604]: l3JGE6lr009604: from=rjh, size=7226, 
class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apr 19 12:14:06 cuttyhunk sendmail[9605]: l3JGE610009605: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=7557, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Apr 19 12:14:06 cuttyhunk sendmail[9604]: l3JGE6lr009604: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], ctladdr=rjh (500/500), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, 
mailer=relay, pri=37226, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
(l3JGE610009605 Message accepted for delivery)
Apr 19 12:14:06 cuttyhunk sendmail[9606]: l3JGE610009605: 
to="|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test_mail", 
ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=37806, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

The mail sits in /var/spool/mailman/in.

Any ideas? Any suggestions?  I'm completely stuck.

-Rick


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[Mailman-Users] Users NOT getting multiple copies of the same message, and they WANT them

[McNutt Jr, William R]

I have some users who post the same message to multiple lists.  They are
on these lists.  And they want to see each copy of the message from each
list.  That way they "know the lists are working."

Recently they've noticed that although the messages show up in the
archives, they are not getting a copy of the message from each list,
only the first one.

Is this a mailman feature?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing lists as a non-root/Mailman user

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On Thursday 19 April 2007 06:05:38 Steve Burling wrote:
> --On April 18, 2007 9:55:48 PM -0500 Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > In the nearly twenty years I've been doing this sort of stuff, I don't
> > think I've ever ran into a single NFS environment that I would call
> > "well-managed".  Some were not as badly managed as others, but they all
> > had major problems.
>
> To which I reply:
>
> That's to bad.  In the nearly thirty years that I've been doing this sort
> of stuff, I've come across a few.  I work in (and help manage) one now.

well if I remember correctly NFS was developed by Sun but not first introduced 
fully until  very early spring of 1989 (RFC 1094). However the degree of time 
over which any one of us has been associated, to one degree or another, with 
its use, is IMHO, far less significant than the facts that have emerged in 
practice. The evidence does seem to point pretty conclusively towards the 
notion that what might be interpreted as a "well-managed" environment depends 
very heavily upon flow-control conditions. This is a factor that is not under 
the total control of administrators. 

NFS dynamics over flow-controlled wide area networks by Chang, Morris & Kung 
of Harvard ( INFOCOM '97) is recomended reading. The evidence clearly shows 
that NFS over TCP works badly with small packets but is pretty much OK over 
ATM WANS if the flow control keeps the cell loss rate under 1%.

NFS is like anything else - it reflects not how long we have been doing it for 
but how well we perform in the currently prevailing conditions!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Managing lists as a non-root/Mailman user

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> In the nearly twenty years I've been doing this sort of stuff, I don't
> think I've ever ran into a single NFS environment that I would call
> "well-managed".  Some were not as badly managed as others, but they all
> had major problems.

To which I reply:

That's to bad.  In the nearly thirty years that I've been doing this sort 
of stuff, I've come across a few.  I work in (and help manage) one now.

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[Mailman-Users] List owner changes anomalies

[David Southwell]

Hi

On a list the email address for the list owner was changed.

1. When logging on to admin/listname the old owner run by address is shown on 
the Administrator Authentication page.
2. Clicking on the run by address in the Administrator Authentication page 
causes the old address to be passed to mail program.
3. On the Mailing list general options page the new owners run by address is 
shown.
4 Clicking on the run by address in Mailing list general options page causes 
the old address to be passed to mail program.
5. All other pages are as 1 & 2 unless they are reloaded. Following reload 
they behave as 3&4.
6. After logout state 5 is again applicable.

Solutions anyone?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration check

[David Southwell]

On Thursday 19 April 2007 05:01:42 David Southwell wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is there a mailman command that dumps the current running configuration
> options?
>
> I have been having trouble with the --with-mail-gid=mailman option and
> errors reports. I am wanting to check whether I am getting the errors
^ typo 
should ---be why!!

> messages. This means either --with-mail-gid=mailman is not set OR something
> else is going wrong. I believe the latter to be the case OR something is
> not correct with the compile.
>
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[Mailman-Users] Configuration check

[David Southwell]

Hi

Is there a mailman command that dumps the current running configuration 
options?

I have been having trouble with the --with-mail-gid=mailman option and errors 
reports. I am wanting to check whether I am getting the errors messages. This 
means either --with-mail-gid=mailman is not set OR something else is going 
wrong. I believe the latter to be the case OR something is not correct with 
the compile.

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