Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

David Southwell writes:

 > the Mailman FAQ is a bit of a curates egg. Sometimes it seems like
 > an FAQ but it often seems more like a personal blog

That's a FAQ.  Excerpts from mailing list posts, with those questions
that are most frequently answered gradually acquiring improved wording
and more references.

 > rather than a well focused piece of work, written to a consistent,
 > disciplined standard, giving comprehensive step by step
 > instructions in response to very specific and well crafted
 > questions.

That's an O'Reilly Nutshell book.  :-)

A good idea, but who's going to bell the cat?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:55 AM -0700 4/23/07, David Southwell wrote:

>  There was a interesting aside about some work done by Scot Harris but no link
>  to  him e or to the software mentioned or even an indication that the results
>  of his work are available in the public domain.

What I put in the FAQ is still the last word I heard from Curtis, and 
my understanding is that he helped fund an important step forward in 
the area of integrating Joomla! and Mailman.  I have not heard of any 
new information on this front.

If you have more recent information in this area, or know of someone 
who does, please feel free to update the FAQ and let us know.

If you've got better contact with Curtis than I do, and you can drag 
out of him more detail than I've been able to get so far, then please 
do go ahead and update the FAQ entry.

>  The implication of the FAQ
>  was a need to look elsewhere for a generic solution for providing a module
>  giving a full integration for Joomla and mailman. What the FAQ did do was to
>  reinforce what I knew.. that such integration was possible.. but took me no
>  further towards actually doing it.

My understanding is that this is still a pretty raw area.  Mailman 
itself does not provide any hooks to assist with this process, so 
there's a limit to how much we can help.  If there are any tools out 
there to help integrate CMSes with Mailman, the unfortunate fact is 
that the authors of those tools have not coordinated well with the 
Mailman project, and they have not let us know about the work they've 
done.

>  Unfortunately, as in many other places, the FAQ, whilst providing many
>  apparently hopeful mentions, which can be very useful in some instances, it
>  seems that there have not been enough informed contributions.

We've done the best we can based on what anecdotal information we can 
gather, but that's always going to be a hit-or-miss proposition.  If 
the authors of the tools don't coordinate with us, there's not much 
we can do about that.

>This means the
>  work does not, in many places, have sufficient specific follow ups. Perhaps
>  this is an indication that those of us who are new to mailman might perhaps
>  pay more attention to turning the results of our learning experience into
>  well written contributions that  improve the quality of the  FAQ over time.

That would certainly be a good step forward, yes.  However, it is a 
community-supported document, and if the community does not choose to 
put the effort into doing the work necessary to keep it up-to-date 
and filled with as much useful information as possible, then we will 
all suffer.

I've certainly done as much as I can to contribute to the FAQ Wizard, 
both in terms of generating content itself as well as providing 
editorial assistance to try to make things as easy to understand as I 
can.  But I'm only one person.  We need more people to do the same 
kind of thing, or the FAQ will die -- probably a slow death, but 
perhaps much faster than would otherwise be expected.

>  Do not get me wrong-- I have found the FAQ can be really useful at times, but
>  the Mailman FAQ is a bit of a curates egg. Sometimes it seems like an FAQ but
>  it often seems more like a personal blog rather than a well focused piece of
>  work, written to a consistent, disciplined standard,  giving comprehensive
>  step by step instructions  in response to very specific and well crafted
>  questions.

Yeah, well -- you get what you pay for.

Pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, and maybe you 
can get a good professional author to spend their entire life to make 
the FAQ a world-class document, the equal to which cannot be found 
anywhere else in the world.

Otherwise, this is the kind of thing you can expect to get.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] script

[Paul Tomblin]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Can someone help, i need a script to check all user accounts last login
>> against dormancy period and be able to delete users who haven't updated
>> their in 30 days detail then send an email to them.
> 
> 
> First of all, you can't do it. Mailman doesn't keep track of a list
> member's log-ins to visit archives, roster or options page, so 'last
> log-in' information isn't available.
> 
> Second, I don't think it would be a good idea. Once I have set my
> options appropriately, I may just read the posts that are delivered to
> me and not have occasion to ever log in, yet very much desire to
> remain on the list.

Not to mention the addresses I subscribe to lists (set no-mail) just so 
I can occasionally post to those lists when my main mail is not working. 
  Those addresses (specifically, my gmail account) never visit the web 
site, almost never post to the list, etc.  But if you were to 
unsubscribe it, I'd be pretty upset.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] script

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Can someone help, i need a script to check all user accounts last login
>against dormancy period and be able to delete users who haven't updated
>their in 30 days detail then send an email to them.


First of all, you can't do it. Mailman doesn't keep track of a list
member's log-ins to visit archives, roster or options page, so 'last
log-in' information isn't available.

Second, I don't think it would be a good idea. Once I have set my
options appropriately, I may just read the posts that are delivered to
me and not have occasion to ever log in, yet very much desire to
remain on the list.

If you are trying to identify 'dead' addresses, that's what bounce
processing is for.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[David Southwell]

On Monday 23 April 2007 09:17:44 Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:51 AM -0700 4/23/07, David Southwell wrote:
> >  Has anyone done this?
>
> Yes.
>
> >  If so how successful?
>
> Pretty successful.
>
> >  How about username/password integration?
>
> Hard to say.  I know people who've done it (e.g., Curtis Preston),
> but I have not done it myself.
>
> >  It would be really great to have mailman as a joomla/mambo module
> >  If not does anyone have any ideas how to go about this?
> >  I am posting a similar question in the joomla forum
>
> If you search the FAQ Wizard for "joomla", or "content management
> systems", or "web board discussion systems", or "PHP", or "forum", or
> various related terms then you should come across FAQ 1.26.  So far
> as I know, that is the latest information we have on this subject.
>
> If you had already searched the FAQ Wizard on these subjects, please
> let us know what search terms you used that did *not* pull up FAQ
> 1.26, and we'll try to get it modified to suit.
>
> If you have any more information to add to that FAQ entry, please
> feel free to make your own contribution (using the instructions
> provided in the FAQ Wizard itself) and let us know.

Yes I did read the FAQ but what was written there was not really specific 
enough. I did not want to be too critical of the FAQ so I did not mention 
what I had seen there when I originally posted.. but maybe that was remiss of 
me.

There was a interesting aside about some work done by Scot Harris but no link 
to  him e or to the software mentioned or even an indication that the results 
of his work are available in the public domain. The implication of the FAQ 
was a need to look elsewhere for a generic solution for providing a module 
giving a full integration for Joomla and mailman. What the FAQ did do was to 
reinforce what I knew.. that such integration was possible.. but took me no 
further towards actually doing it.

Unfortunately, as in many other places, the FAQ, whilst providing many 
apparently hopeful mentions, which can be very useful in some instances, it 
seems that there have not been enough informed contributions. This means the 
work does not, in many places, have sufficient specific follow ups. Perhaps 
this is an indication that those of us who are new to mailman might perhaps 
pay more attention to turning the results of our learning experience into 
well written contributions that  improve the quality of the  FAQ over time. 

Do not get me wrong-- I have found the FAQ can be really useful at times, but 
the Mailman FAQ is a bit of a curates egg. Sometimes it seems like an FAQ but 
it often seems more like a personal blog rather than a well focused piece of 
work, written to a consistent, disciplined standard,  giving comprehensive  
step by step instructions  in response to very specific and well crafted  
questions.

My two pennorth with a big thank you to everyone who has got it to the current 
level.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making "Your Name" Mandatory?

[Mark Sapiro]

David Devereaux-Weber, P.E. wrote:

>Is there a way to make "Your Name" a mandatory part of the subscription 
>process?  This is a great help to list operators trying to troubleshoot 
>email problems.


Only by modifying code.

It would be fairly easy to modify Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py to require a
real name be provided for a web based subscribe.

Email subscribe would be trickier because the real name comes from the
From: header of the subscribe email, so what do you tell the user if
there isn't a real name?

You might also want to look at the web based confirm -
Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py, as that allows override of the initial real
name.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail problems

[Mark Sapiro]

shacky wrote:

>I created a new test list, but if I try to subscribe myself by the web
>interface I don't receive any confirmation message.
>The /usr/sbin/sendmail executable is correct and points to the Qmail
>installation.
>In the Qmail logs I dont' see anything special, it seems Mailman isn't
>sending any e-mail.
>
>How I could solve?


Start with
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> I am resending this email, as well as to the other mailing lists,  
> since
> I have received zero feedback since sending the original over two  
> weeks ago.
>
>
> Should I assume there is no interest in this translation, and just  
> keep
> it for my own sites?

Dov, I'm sorry.  It's definitely been on my list of things to do, but  
I just haven't had time yet.  We will definitely get it in for a  
Mailman 2.1.10 release.

Thanks,
- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:51 AM -0700 4/23/07, David Southwell wrote:

>  Has anyone done this?

Yes.

>  If so how successful?

Pretty successful.

>  How about username/password integration?

Hard to say.  I know people who've done it (e.g., Curtis Preston), 
but I have not done it myself.

>  It would be really great to have mailman as a joomla/mambo module
>  If not does anyone have any ideas how to go about this?
>  I am posting a similar question in the joomla forum

If you search the FAQ Wizard for "joomla", or "content management 
systems", or "web board discussion systems", or "PHP", or "forum", or 
various related terms then you should come across FAQ 1.26.  So far 
as I know, that is the latest information we have on this subject.

If you had already searched the FAQ Wizard on these subjects, please 
let us know what search terms you used that did *not* pull up FAQ 
1.26, and we'll try to get it modified to suit.

If you have any more information to add to that FAQ entry, please 
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[Mailman-Users] Mail problems

[shacky]

Hi.
I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.9 on a system running Debian Stable (Etch
4.0) and Qmail+Vpopmail.
I installed Mailman with apt-get, I added a new virtual domain (
lists.mydomain.com) in Vpopmail and I configured the web interface.
I created a new test list, but if I try to subscribe myself by the web
interface I don't receive any confirmation message.
The /usr/sbin/sendmail executable is correct and points to the Qmail
installation.
In the Qmail logs I dont' see anything special, it seems Mailman isn't
sending any e-mail.

How I could solve?

Thank you very much!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support

[Dov Zamir]

Hi all,


I am resending this email, as well as to the other mailing lists, since 
I have received zero feedback since sending the original over two weeks ago.


Should I assume there is no interest in this translation, and just keep 
it for my own sites?


ציטוט Dov Zamir:

> ציטוט Barry Warsaw:
>
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>>
>>
>> It's probably best to open a patch issue on SourceForge and attach 
>> your .po file to the patch.  Then send a link to that issue here.  
>> One of us will pull it into svn from there.
>>
>
> I have just uploaded the Hebrew translation files to Sourceforge as 
> issue number 1696053. Here is the attached description:
>
> Attached are the Hebrew files for Mailman 2.1.9
> I added a parameter to the LC_DESCRIPTION function, and these are the 
> files
> that are affected by the addition of 'direction' to the 'LC_DESCRIPTION'
> function. They have been changed, and diffs are attached...
>
> ./Mailman/Cgi/create.py
> ./Mailman/Defaults.py.in
> ./Mailman/Defaults.py
> ./Mailman/Utils.py
> ./messages/es/README.es
> ./messages/ja/README.ja
> ./messages/ja/doc/Defaults.py.in
> ./messages/eu/README.eu
>
> Likewise, all translation files are attached.
>
> There is still a problem displaying command line output in the correct
> direction. Still looking for a solution...
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[Mailman-Users] Making "Your Name" Mandatory?

[David Devereaux-Weber, P.E.]

Is there a way to make "Your Name" a mandatory part of the subscription 
process?  This is a great help to list operators trying to troubleshoot 
email problems.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[David Southwell]

On Monday 23 April 2007 06:06:32 David Ravetti wrote:

> On Apr 23, 2007, at 06:51 , David Southwell wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Has anyone done this?
> > If so how successful?
> > How about username/password integration?
> > It would be really great to have mailman as a joomla/mambo module
> > If not does anyone have any ideas how to go about this?
> > I am posting a similar question in the joomla forum
> >
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> David,
>
> We have a site that uses Joomla and also produces a newsletter
> through Mailman. There is no integration between the two in the way
> that you're thinking of - they're on separate servers in fact - but
> from a user perspective it all appears to be a single site.
>
> They have the newsletter signup form within the Joomla site. They
> simply copied the form commands that would be used from within the
> Mailman subscription page. The subscription confirmation page was
> then customized within Mailman to reflect the site's look and feel
> (it could also have been customized to redirect to a page within the
> site to keep everything within Joomla).
>
> Another site has done a similar setup within Moveable Type.
>
> I wouldn't feel comfortable with doing username/password integration,
> at least not with our setup, since Mailman's password system is less
> rigorous than Joomla's. It could probably be done with some
> customization and proxying if you own the server, but since Mailman
> sends passwords in the clear it would reduce the security of the
> Joomla site.
>
> Respectfully,
>
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Thanks very much for your interesting comment which I have forwarded to the 
list along with my reply.. I hope you don't mind but I have changed this 
round to the standard bottom post because top posting tends to confuse.

I have received one encouraging reply from Brian on the Joomla  Integration 
forum who says:

>>The only thing I have seen is this module for subscribing
>>http://forge.joomla.org/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.gesellix/frs.mailman_
>>subscripe.2_4

I think this could provide an interesting basis for building further extension 
modules. For my part, as I use my own server, I would prefer to shift away 
from sending passwords in the clear (apart possibly an initial use one time 
use for mass subscriptions followed by logon verfication).

Thanks for your input, it is apprecaited

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[David Southwell]

On Monday 23 April 2007 03:51:49 David Southwell wrote:
> Hi
>
> Has anyone done this?
> If so how successful?
> How about username/password integration?
> It would be really great to have mailman as a joomla/mambo module
> If not does anyone have any ideas how to go about this?
> I am posting a similar question in the joomla forum
>
> David
I have received one encouraging reply from Brian on the Joomla  Integration 
forum who says:

>The only thing I have seen is this module for subscribing
>http://forge.joomla.org/sf/frs/do/viewRelease/projects.gesellix/frs.mailman_
>subscripe.2_4
This module handles subscriptions to the mailman maillists within a joomla 
module.
A little bit more would be really great but this is well worth looking at -- 
this module may be capable of being extended.

david


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[Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with joomla/mambo

[David Southwell]

Hi

Has anyone done this?
If so how successful?
How about username/password integration?
It would be really great to have mailman as a joomla/mambo module
If not does anyone have any ideas how to go about this?
I am posting a similar question in the joomla forum

David
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