Re: [Mailman-Users] Subject Lines Wrapped After Commas, (LikeThis?)
On 5/21/07 4:54 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would argue that Eudora is much more at fault here Eudora was also the primary source of resistance to the List-* headers, with its interesting habit of displaying all headers except those in its list of "boring" headers. Manipulating that list, in the time frame in which the List-* headers appeared, was not easy for the users on any platform (less hard on Mac than on Windows). On the screen size I had at the time they appeared, the List-* headers caused me to have to scroll to see the useful part of any mailing list message longer than a couple of lines. (My usage of Eudora is down to sending test messages and sending some template-based messages. And searching messages older than a half decade or so.) --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple header_filter_rules?
--On May 22, 2007 4:53:05 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David R Bosso wrote:
>>
>> I have 2 rules set up. For a given test message, Rule 1 does not match,
>> and Rule 2 does. If I have Rule 1 set to discard, and Rule 2 set to
>> Hold, the message is discarded. If I make the single change of setting
>> Rule 2 to Defer, then the message is accepted.
>
>
> And did you by any chance try setting rule 2's action back to Hold and
> testing again? The reason I ask, is that when you "Add new item" via
> the web GUI, a rule gets created with a flag indicating it is 'empty'
> and this flag isn't tested in processing. It shouldn't matter because
> either this empty slot will be filled in or it's action remains
> 'defer', but I may be missing something.
Thanks for offering to help. Yes, I can go back and forth with consistent
results.
[snip]
>> Using Mailman 2.1.9
>
>
> From source or a package? If a package, which?
Gentoo's ebuild from portage.
>
> Can you provide the contents of header_filter_rules, ideally from the
> output of
>
> bin/dumpdb lists//config.pck
'header_filter_rules': [ ( '^Return-Path:
(?!(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>))',
3,
False),
('^Subject: test', 7, False)],
> or
>
> bin/config_list -o filename listname
>
> but barring that, a copy/paste from the web interface
^Return-Path: (?!(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>))
^Subject: test
> and a copy of
> the test message that illustrates the problem.
A mail from me (rule 1 does not match), with the subject "test".
Thanks.
-David
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases
Thanks, Mark. That seemed too obvious. Doesn't setting generic_nonmember_action to accept result in a lot of spam to the Mailman site admin? How are others dealing with this? On 5/22/07, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher Adams wrote: > > >Thanks,Mark. That helps explaining the purpose of the mailman list. > > > >All our lists use the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] (wherever.com is the > >DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST set in mm_cfg.py). > > > >In my Postfix aliases file, I have all the list aliases including > >aliases for the mailman list: > > > >## mailman mailing list > >mailman-admin:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" > >mailman-bounces: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" > >mailman-confirm: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" > >mailman-join: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" > >mailman-leave:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" > >mailman-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" > >mailman-subscribe:"|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" > >mailman-unsubscribe: "|/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" > > > >So, in the general list info page, there is a line that says: > > > >If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Since that address is a post to the mailman mailing list, how does it > >actually get delivered anywhere? > > > The same as any other list. You subscribe the Mailman site admin(s) to > it and you set generic_nonmember_action to accept. > > > >I don't quite understand what you > >mean about the general listinfo and admin pages exposing the mailman@ > >address in their own domain. I am unclear as to what that domain > >should be. > > > That doesn't apply in your case. I misunderstood your situation and > thought you had multiple virtual domains. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > > -- Christopher Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases
-- Christopher Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is rumored to have mumbled on 23. Mai 2007 11:39:48 -0700 regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases: Thanks, Mark. That seemed too obvious. Doesn't setting generic_nonmember_action to accept result in a lot of spam to the Mailman site admin? How are others dealing with this? We delete it. -- Sebastian Hagedorn - RZKR-R1 (Flachbau), Zi. 18, Robert-Koch-Str. 10 Zentrum für angewandte Informatik - Universitätsweiter Service RRZK Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - Tel. +49-221-478-5587 pgpsDrigKSJoa.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple header_filter_rules?
David R Bosso wrote: > >Thanks for offering to help. Yes, I can go back and forth with consistent >results. Thanks for providing the info I asked for. I will definitely look into this unless someone else solves it in the mean time, but I will not be able to spend any time on it before next week. Be assured that I won't forget. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases
Christopher Adams wrote: >Thanks, Mark. That seemed too obvious. Doesn't setting >generic_nonmember_action to accept result in a lot of spam to the >Mailman site admin? How are others dealing with this? First, let me say that if your listinfo overview page says "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]", you should actually look at that mail. Unfortunately, changing the overview pages to not say that requires patching Mailman code so it isn't always feasable to remove the message. This will change in some future release, but that doesn't help the immediate situation. You can do other things with the list settings, but setting the list to reject or discard non-member posts is not right IMO. Setting the list to hold non-member posts is OK, but then the list admin or moderator has to deal with them anyway, so why not just accept them, at least if the person who receives them from the list is the same person who has to deal with them if they're held. You can also set some header_filter_rules to try to discard some spam if you can identify it that way. The first step though is to have some kind of spam filtering and/or greylisting on incoming mail so as little spam as possible even gets to Mailman in the first place. That's what I do for my lists and the list admins have to deal with the rest. And yes, I still spend an inordinate amount of time checking spam at least cursorily for legitimate messages. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Configuration script bails
Installed on Debian Testing, mailman updates fail, causing other packages to fail to install with the following output, any help would be greatly appreciated... Doug P apt-get install mailman Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done mailman is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 109 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up mailman (2.1.9-7) ... Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done. Installing site language en done. No updates are necessary. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 297, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 272, in main r = [do_list(listname, args, func) for listname in Utils.list_names()] File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 201, in do_list return func(m, *args) File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unicodify_archives.py", line 59, in unicodify_archives h.database.mapKeys(unicodify_fst, archive, hdr) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 341, in mapKeys self.__openIndices(archive) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, in __init__ self.load() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 170, in load self.dict = marshal.load(fp) ValueError: bad marshal data dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration script bails
Douglas Phillipson wrote: >Installed on Debian Testing, mailman updates fail, causing other >packages to fail to install with the following output, any help would be >greatly appreciated... > >Doug P > >apt-get install mailman >No updates are necessary. >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 297, in ? > main() > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 272, in main > r = [do_list(listname, args, func) for listname in Utils.list_names()] > File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/withlist", line 201, in do_list > return func(m, *args) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unicodify_archives.py", line 59, in >unicodify_archives > h.database.mapKeys(unicodify_fst, archive, hdr) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 341, >in mapKeys > self.__openIndices(archive) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, >in __openIndices > t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, >in __init__ > self.load() > File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 170, >in load > self.dict = marshal.load(fp) >ValueError: bad marshal data >dpkg: error processing mailman (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 >Errors were encountered while processing: > mailman The installation of your package is trying to run something on the order of bin/withlist -a -r unicodify_archives Since the bin/unicodify_archives.py module is apparently unique to your package as is the running of it against all lists via withlist, I think you might be more successful seeking help from Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
