[Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
This is my first post and I apologize if this has been dealt with; I was not able to find the right way to search the archives. I also apologize for the length. I administer half a dozen lists with membership ranging from 100 to 500, the number of messages ranging from 1 to 30 a day on each list, but monthly bandwidth for all lists together under 4 GB. A small commercial place where our domain was hosted recently decided to stop supporting Mailman, partly because their version of cPanel didn't include Mailman space in the user's quota. We found a number of places that offered unlimited Mailman lists, chose one and moved everything there via a cPanel backup. The move worked fine, and all the Mailman archives were intact. A couple of days later, we found that some messages were not going through and learned from the support people that there was an hourly limit on the number of messages - the 250 limit meant that a list with 300 people could not get even a single message out, and that if a message went out to a list with 200, there could not be another message for an hour. The only solution they offer is for us to get a dedicated server, which costs about ten times as much and is far beyond what we need by way of bandwidth. What we found upsetting (besides the policy being unannounced) was that other places we contacted all have similar hourly limits, even as they all advertise unlimited mailing lists. We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? Thank you all for any advice. Sekhar -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
Hi All-- I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. It was definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and only the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from inundating the net with enlargement ads. You have to provide samples of your newsletters, which is a bit difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your subscribers. I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. Godaddy cut that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages went through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the transmissions so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any need for that. All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less than I did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get _substantial_ discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: _ask_). I get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't access it with IE. Use only Firefox). The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, Did you read the FAQ on xxx?, stating There is nothing wrong with our mail system, or saying, I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force you to use it. (This last despite the fact that the software in question is the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, however. ;-) If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a chroot box). They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I never really considered those. Hope this helps. Metta, Ivan Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/hosting/ As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on stuff ;) On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/ mailman.html. I do not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients. Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -- EMWD - Executive Officer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Van Laningham Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits Hi All-- I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. It was definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and only the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from inundating the net with enlargement ads. You have to provide samples of your newsletters, which is a bit difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your subscribers. I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. Godaddy cut that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages went through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the transmissions so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any need for that. All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less than I did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get _substantial_ discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: _ask_). I get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't access it with IE. Use only Firefox). The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, Did you read the FAQ on xxx?, stating There is nothing wrong with our mail system, or saying, I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force you to use it. (This last despite the fact that the software in question is the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, however. ;-) If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a chroot box). They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I never really considered those. Hope this helps. Metta, Ivan Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/ laningham/laningh am.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ Unsubscribe:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
You can also check out my services at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. I do not place any sort of message limits on my mailman clients. Kind regards, Brian Carpenter -- EMWD - Executive Officer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Van Laningham Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits Hi All-- I run ten to eleven mailing lists, with, just as you have, 100-500 members apiece. I have a dedicated server with Godaddy. They told me that yes, I could run mailing lists. They didn't tell me in advance that there was a daily limit of 1000 outgoing messages per day. I discovered that as soon as the first mailing list went into operation and I had to wait 24 hours for the counter to be reset. In order to raise the limit to something reasonable, I had to provide documentation to Godaddy through some automated tools they have. I think in the end it amounted to about 20 pages of justification. It was definitely a pain, because their base assumption is that mailing lists are newsletters sent to customers. It follows that if you are a capitalist with customers, you lust to become an evil spammer, and only the fear of legal action and forcible disconnection keeps you from inundating the net with enlargement ads. You have to provide samples of your newsletters, which is a bit difficult if you want to provide a modicum of privacy for your subscribers. I made calculations based on the size of the lists and the number of subscribers and requested my limit be raised to that limit. Godaddy cut that request to 1/3, which irritated me a lot, but all the messages went through without a hitch. Later, I realized that my calculations were off because I didn't remember that mailman will batch the transmissions so that I had far fewer outgoing emails than I thought. This would be different if I turned on full personalization, but I don't have any need for that. All in all, the Godaddy experience has been positive. I lease a far better machine than the prior one that I owned, and pay far less than I did when I colocated my server at a local ISP (you can get _substantial_ discounts by paying in full for two to five years in advance: _ask_). I get more bandwidth, and the automated tools are, I reluctantly admit, not bad at all (Plesk; it's worth the monthly fee, just don't access it with IE. Use only Firefox). The cons are that Godaddy's service when you call to talk to a tech is not the best. Mostly, it consists of asking, Did you read the FAQ on xxx?, stating There is nothing wrong with our mail system, or saying, I'm sorry, we don't support that software, since we don't force you to use it. (This last despite the fact that the software in question is the only software supplied on the system, and so you are forced to use it by default. They say you can install whatever you want on your system.) You'll end up googling a lot. You learn quickly, however. ;-) If you don't have the need for a dedicated server, you could go with a dedicated virtual server, which is a great deal cheaper, but you don't get things like three dedicated IP addresses and you have to share the machine (it looks like your own machine, however, because you're in a chroot box). They also have hosting plans that might include mailing lists, but I never really considered those. Hope this helps. Metta, Ivan Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: We are not sure what the reason is for these limits. Is it that the SMTP servers cannot tell the difference between Mailman mail and other mail so the places are afraid of spammers giving their servers a bad name? Or is it that SMTP takes up so much resource that a limit is necessary? Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningh am.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Jason Pruim wrote: Well if we are all going to throw in our hats... www.raoset.com/ hosting/ As long as you don't bring my server down I don't put limits on stuff ;) If you're a Mailman hosting provider, be sure you're on the list: http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services If you're looking for hosting services, check that list! :) - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRma2dnEjvBPtnXfVAQIyiAP+Iij1jg9BYJRSvRWEjM0WSWgUV+v3Rtcy jwiX9OkdCe9ShNK6G11HTJFtlkgayoF1Ne7R9s1UlkRBrW6CywWXFOOID2XGhbtE PTC3nvBoeRMqGXb5v4A/xH4shAVlWZTBplMZnSCht2fxJbPMxlbOseonWQQvYuEL mN5j0t7489Y= =naAn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
I have seen this error asked about many times and all seem to point to crontab.in and something in the 6th position. However I am a mailman/Linux n00b. How do I fix this? Subject: Cron lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; mailman /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Cron-Env: lt;SHELL=/bin/shgt; X-Cron-Env: lt;HOME=/usr/lib/mailmangt; X-Cron-Env: lt;PATH=/usr/bin:/bingt; X-Cron-Env: lt;LOGNAME=mailmangt; X-Cron-Env: lt;USER=mailmangt; - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
Hey guys. I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. The From address looks like this: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: From: Shop Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] The added header information ³(sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED])² is really interfering with people¹s ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don¹t know what is different. How can I fix this??? Thank you in advance for your help. JW __ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Desperate to find a place without Mailman message limits
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 00:24, Sekhar Ramakrishnan wrote: Finally, and this is the main reason for this post, are there commercial places that support Mailman with more reasonable limits on the number of messages? textdrive.com has reasonably priced plans that include mailman. I've not seen anything about mailman limits, all their feature list says is Host Mailman mailing lists complete with archives. Might be worth checking them out. Their AUP says you can't send out Unsolicited Bulk Email (“UBE”, “spam”). It also says you can't run unconfirmed mailing lists. That is, your mailing lists have to be Opt-In. If they ask who referred you, say jkugler. :) j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1
por favor no quiero que me sigan enviando sus mensajes, les voy a pedir que respeten mis descisiones y mi espacio. [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users@python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to a mailing list (Jon Pauli) 2. Unable to Create New Lists (Phil Fonville) 3. Which script does /admin/members call? (Curtis Preston) 4. Re: Unable to Create New Lists (Mark Sapiro) 5. Re: Mailman Splitting Subject (Mark Sapiro) 6. Re: Maximum template size? (Mark Sapiro) 7. Re: No domain name, Can I use mailman to build a maillist? (Mark Sapiro) 8. Re: how can i simulate mailman pages (Mark Sapiro) 9. Re: Low level smtp error: Server not connected (Mark Sapiro) 10. Re: a question about unadvertised lists and spam (Mark Sapiro) De: Jon Pauli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: mailman-users@python.org Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:29:05 -0500 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to a mailing list Hello, I have been looking around in the docs and have not seen anything that matches my issue. I have a couple of mailing lists and every time anyone- member or non-member posts, everything works fine but the list owner gets 1)An uncaught bounce notification containing an empty attachment called ForwardedMessage.eml. Thunderbird is the MUA so I'm guessing it is responsible for determining how to interpret the attachment, but even if I save it as a text file it is a 2 byte long file with no visible characters in it...I didn't take a hex editor to it. I understand why listowner gets these, I'm just not sure how it can work with a 2 byte file and no headers ;) 2. An email where no subject and no sender appear in the MUA. The headers are as follows: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [192.168.10.22] (softdnserr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mydomain.com with esmtp; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500id 00A9A0CA.465EE260.00010B2E Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; The interesting things I noticed are: 1. The Received: header line is wrong. The mail server has a DNS server running on it as well as the MTA. its IP is 192.168.11.22 NOT 10.22 There is no 192.168.10.22 on my network. This happens only for mailman emails. I don't recall having to set any IPs when I set up mailman. What is wrong here? 2. The end of the Message-ID: line contains only mydomain, not say, mydomain.com like non-mailman emails. 3. There is no Sender showing up in the MUA but the Sender: header is present. It looks like Thunderbird maybe uses the From: header instead of the Sender header despite naming the column where this would appear Sender. I'd appreciate any thoughts or insight into this. I am confused. De: Phil Fonville [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: mailman-users@python.org Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:21:49 -0400 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts go out to list subscribers. Failed attempts yield this message: Error: Unknown virtual host: [EMAIL PROTECTED] my mm_cfg.py file contains: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/ DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts. My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is bashful.troxlerlabs.local I have stopped and restarted the qrunner. I should mention that my setup includes Postfix and Apache running in the same host. All this is in a SUSE Linux 10.2 virtual machine with NAT and ports 25 and 80 forwarded to their respective applications. This virtual machine worked fine on a different host, pfonvillepc2 (with pfonvillepc2 substituted for all instances of bashful) before moving it to bashful. I have looked for posts and FAQs for similar problem(s) but couldn't find any. Would be grateful for any help. De: Curtis Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: mailman-users@python.org Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:36 -0400 Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Which script does /admin/members call? I need to know which script is called when I run the /admin/members page and press Submit. I can't figure it out since ./cgi-bin/members is a
[Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX
Hello: I have a question I hope someone can help me with. I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail does not get sent. I added several new users today and I did not get the new user notifications. Then I sent an email to one of the lists and I get nothing. The guy that used to manage the system has left the company. I thought there was something I needed to run at the command line to get the mail moving? Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? Thanks for any help! -Chris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] 2 MTA 1 mailman for the same vdomain
Hello guys, this is my first install of mailman. I'll explain my setup. I have 1 mail server running postfix for vdomains using mysql, to lets say domain.com I have another server running postfix-mailman, to manage some mailing lists for domain.com I am not sure how to continue with this. my first postfix server manages all mails for domain.com, and now I need to start creating lists for domain.com. Not sure if I need to setup lists.domain.com or use domain.com and map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send all messages to the second machine running postfix-mailman. I have installed mailman and could create a mailing list, but I am not sure how should I start mapping mail accounts to the mailing list server. Any help? Thank you very much! Pablo -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX
* Chris Geier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail does not get sent. Is the QueueRunner process running? -- Ralf Hildebrandt (i.A. des IT-Zentrums) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite - Universitätsmedizin BerlinTel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Gemeinsame Einrichtung von FU- und HU-BerlinFax. +49 (0)30-450 570-962 IT-Zentrum Standort CBFsend no mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Chris Geier wrote: Hello: I have a question I hope someone can help me with. I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail does not get sent. Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? Sounds like there's nothing on your computer to start mailman automatically at boot. To start it on your current running system, go into Terminal and type: sudo /path/to/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start where /path/to/mailman is the path to where mailman is (for instance, if it's in the Applications folder in a folder called Mailman, then you'd put /Applications/Mailman there). To have Mailman start at boot time, follow these instructions from my guid to installing Mailman on Mac OS X (the full guide can be found in the archives - it's from July 2005): Step 8) Configure your system to start Mailman when it is booted. a) Open Terminal and change directory to /Library/LaunchDaemons: sudo su cd /Library/LaunchDaemons *** June 2007 addendum: my original said to cd to /System/Library/LaunchDaemons. I've since learned that Apple recommends that only Apple provided startup files be there and 3rd-party startup files be in /Library/LaunchDaemons (not withstanding that other 3rd-party packages have put stuff in /System/Library/LaunchDaemons). b) Create the Mailman startup preference file: touch mailman.plist c) Using your favorite method of text editing, add the following content to mailman.plist: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? plist version=1.0 dict keyDisabled/key false/ keyLabel/key stringmailman/string keyOnDemand/key true/ keyProgramArguments/key array string/Applications/Mailman/bin/mailmanctl/string stringstart/string /array keyServiceIPC/key false/ keyRunAtLoad/key true/ /dict /plist d) Verify the file ownership and permissions: ls -l You should see one of the lines saying something like: -rw-r--r-- 5 root wheel 170 12 May 11:21 mailman e) If the permissions (rw-r--r--) are not correct, type: chmod 644 mailman.plist f) If the owner (root) or group (wheel) is not correct, type: chown root:wheel Mailman g) Reboot (Restart) your system. When it finishes rebooting, Mailman should be running. To verify, open Terminal and type: ps -ax | grep python You should see a bunch of lines like this: 434 ?? Ss 0:00.04 python bin/mailmanctl -s start 443 ?? S 4:19.95 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 444 ?? S 4:08.58 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 445 ?? S 4:11.20 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 446 ?? S 4:06.93 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 447 ?? S 3:59.35 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 448 ?? S 4:16.59 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 449 ?? S 4:04.08 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 450 ?? S 0:00.85 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 16621 std R+ 0:00.00 grep -i python (The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner processes) -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] startup commands on OSX
Chris Geier wrote: I have Mailman loaded on a Mac and it has been working fine. The computer lost power the other evening and shutdown. After restarting the computer I can access the Mailman lists, but any mail does not get sent. I added several new users today and I did not get the new user notifications. Then I sent an email to one of the lists and I get nothing. The guy that used to manage the system has left the company. I thought there was something I needed to run at the command line to get the mail moving? Anyone know what the commands are to get the mail moving again? Thanks for any help! OS X client or server? Which version? Apple's install or from source? If it's the out of the box OS X Server version, start the qrunners with /usr/share/mailman/bin mailmanctl start. If it's from source, the location of the mailman/bin folder is likely to be different. The Server version should have a Mailman folder in /System/Library/StartupItems/ that starts it automatically at boot time. You can also create one yourself to run on the OS X client. Dan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME)
I've checked the FAQ and Googled this before coming here to ask for advice. Background: Running Debian 4.0, x86_64, MTA is Postfix, packaged Debian Mailman (version listed 2.1.9-7), Python version 2.4.4. I'm having a problem where the archives are not ingesting MIME email for various mailing lists that I maintain. A message goes to the mailing list, is processed properly and gets reflected to the recipients. All email to the list winds up in /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox. However, messages that have MIME encoding don't make it to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname for inclusion in the web page. I tried running mmarch to rebuild the archive, and got the following output: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # mmarch --wipe testmaillist-l testmaillist-l.mbox.o #0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] figuring article archives 2006-January #1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] figuring article archives 2006-January #2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] figuring article archives 2006-January Updating index files for archive [2006-January] Date Subject Author Thread Computing threaded index Updating HTML for article 0 Updating HTML for article 1 Updating HTML for article 2 Pickling archive state into /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/testmaillist-l/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/sbin/mmarch, line 200, in ? main() File /usr/sbin/mmarch, line 188, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py, line 564, in processUnixMailbox m = mbox.next() File /usr/lib/python2.4/mailbox.py, line 35, in next return self.factory(_Subfile(self.fp, start, stop)) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py, line 89, in scrubber return mailbox.scrub(msg) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py, line 109, in scrub return self._scrubber(self._mlist, msg) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 393, in process replace_payload_by_text(msg, sep.join(text), charset) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 175, in replace_payload_by_text msg.set_payload(text, charset) File email/Message.py, line 218, in set_payload File email/Message.py, line 242, in set_charset TypeError: us-ascii mmarch seems to be having trouble with the Content-Type header line. If I pull out that line for a given message, it is ingested, though it displays the full MIME text. Any direction on where to look would be appreciated. -John -- John Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] (631) 344-3284 Technology Architect ITD Unix Services Brookhaven National Labs -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] archive processing problem (mmarch w/ MIME)
File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 175, in replace_payload_by_text msg.set_payload(text, charset) File email/Message.py, line 218, in set_payload File email/Message.py, line 242, in set_charset TypeError: us-ascii mmarch seems to be having trouble with the Content-Type header line. If I pull out that line for a given message, it is ingested, though it displays the full MIME text. What exactly was the Content-Type header line ? -- Tokio Kikuchi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] /bin/sh: mailman: command not found
Ken Cheney wrote: I have seen this error asked about many times and all seem to point to crontab.in and something in the 6th position. However I am a mailman/Linux n00b. How do I fix this? See for example http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-May/057016.html and perhaps http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-May/057027.html. Either remove the word 'mailman' from between the times and the command in the mailman crontab, or install the crontab as is in /etc/cron.d/mailman instead of /var/spool/cron/mailman. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
Jeff Williams wrote: I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. The From address looks like this: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: From: Shop Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don't know what is different. The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, not by Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp although your symptom seems somewhat different. It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 MTA 1 mailman for the same vdomain
Pablo L. Arturi wrote: I have 1 mail server running postfix for vdomains using mysql, to lets say domain.com I have another server running postfix-mailman, to manage some mailing lists for domain.com I am not sure how to continue with this. my first postfix server manages all mails for domain.com, and now I need to start creating lists for domain.com. Not sure if I need to setup lists.domain.com or use domain.com and map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to send all messages to the second machine running postfix-mailman. You can do it either way. Set up a lists.example.com domain for mail lists only which directs all mail to the mailman server, or tell the main MTA for example.com the send all mail for the 10 addresses [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] for each list to the mailman server. Yet another possibility is to use NFS to make the mail/mailman wrapper on the Mailman machine accessible to the main mail server and pipe the list mail directly to the wrapper on the Mailman machine. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] User unknown?
Hello people. I am sure I am missing something, but can't figure it what.
I am following this instructions:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html
when I send a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the list
[EMAIL PROTECTED], I get postfix telling me the user doesn't exist,
while it should be (and appears to find it) find it from the alias database.
domain names replaced by example.com and sender_domain.com
Thank you for your patience and help!
Refards,
Pablo
This are all relevant logs and configurations I have made:
This is the content of my mm_cfg.py (comments removed).
***
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# cat /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py
***
from Defaults import *
import pwd, grp
MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam('mailman')[2]
from socket import *
try:
fqdn = getfqdn()
except:
fqdn = 'mm_cfg_has_unknown_host_domains'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = fqdn
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = fqdn
add_virtualhost(news.example.com, news.example.com)
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['news.example.com']
I tried to send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], this is the
transcript of the log sessions
tail -f /var/log/maillog
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~?
debug_peer_list
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~?
fast_flush_domains
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: mynetworks ~?
mynetworks
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
debug_peer_list
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
fast_flush_domains
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
mynetworks
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
permit_mx_backup_networks
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
qmqpd_authorized_clients
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string: relay_domains ~?
relay_domains
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: user = postfix
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: password =
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: dbname = postfix
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: table = postfix_domains
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: select_field = transport
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: where_field = domain
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: additional_conditions =
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: hosts = localhost
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mysqlname_parse:
/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf: adding host 'localhost' to list of mysql
server hosts
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open:
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-transport.cf
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string:
permit_mx_backup_networks ~? debug_peer_list
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string:
permit_mx_backup_networks ~? fast_flush_domains
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string:
permit_mx_backup_networks ~? mynetworks
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: match_string:
permit_mx_backup_networks ~? permit_mx_backup_networks
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: user = postfix
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: password =
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: dbname = postfix
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: table = postfix_virtual
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: select_field = destination
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: where_field = email
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: additional_conditions =
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: cfg_get_str:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: hosts = localhost
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: mysqlname_parse:
/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf: adding host 'localhost' to list of mysql
server hosts
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open:
mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists postfix/smtpd[15635]: dict_open:
hash:/etc/mailman/virtual-mailman
Jun 6 23:55:37 lists
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? Yes. The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don't know what is different. The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, not by Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp although your symptom seems somewhat different. Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let alone one of these but not the other? It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical. __ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
