[Mailman-Users] backup lists

[Alexandros Fragkiadakis]

hi all,

sorry if this question has been asked before. How can i backup my lists
and their configuration options?

Regards,

Alexandros


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors

[George Booth]

Mark,

Removing that line indeed caused our listserv mail to flow once again. You
are a genius! I still got a failure showing up in the /var/log/mailman/post
log when when I tried sending a test message to the list that hasn't been
delivering to everyone, but I'm just glad the mail is flowing again. :) And
I guess Mailman is using the 2.3 installation of Python on our system; I did
a search on Python to see which version we were using, and it appears we
have both 2.3 and 2.6.16 installed (I'd thought maybe we were using the
2.6.16 until I saw the 2.3 version up there - I'll ask the server admins to
verify that).

I also did still see the smtp error in the /var/log/mailman/error log when I
restarted Mailman after removing that line:

Jun 21 05:48:11 2007 (28494) Cannot connect to SMTP server 131.95.82.161 on
port smtp

But since mail is flowing, I don't know if I should even concern myself over
that or not.

Anyway, thank you again! Next time I make it to San Francisco, I owe you a
beer. :)

Thanks,
George Booth

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:47 AM
To: George Booth; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors

George Booth wrote:

>There was indeed a very large digest.mbox for one of the lists (not for the
>one we've been having issues with, though), so I removed the digest.mbox
>(that list is set up to be used as a departmental email address, so there
>are only 2 recipients on the list and they weren't digesting anyway), and
>that removed the MemoryErrors I've been seeing. BTW, I should mention that
>my version of Mailman is 2.1.5
>
>However, now I'm getting different errors. When I restarted Mailman after
>removing the digest.mbox file, the errors were:
>

Various errors and tracebacks snipped.

In your OP you said

>I've also come across a suggestion to add the line
> " self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1)" to the SMTPDirect.py file and
> restarted Mailman, but that hasn't seemed to help either.

No, but if it is still there it will definitely cause multiple problems
of the type you are seeing with your Python version (2.3.?)

That suggestion is only applicable to Python 2.4 and above. See
.


>At this point, I'm at a loss. I've gone through the steps outline in the
FAQ
>entry "4.78. Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members", and all
>seems well there. Only other thing I can think of is that under my
>/var/mailman/locks directory, I have the following:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] locks]# ls -al
>total 8
>drwxrwsr-x   2 rootmailman 4096 Jun 20 13:30 .
>drwxrwsr-x  21 rootmailman 4096 Jun 19 20:02 ..
>-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman mailman   53 Jun 21  2007 master-qrunner
>-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman mailman   53 Jun 21  2007
>master-qrunner.mail1.usm.edu.28475
>-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman mailman   53 Jan 18  2006
>master-qrunner.mail.usm.edu.1757.1
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] locks]#
>
>I don't know if these are required or if I should delete them, or if they
>even have anything whatsoever to do with the issue at hand. I did find it
>odd that two of them seem to be dated as June 21, 2007, which is tomorrow
>(assuming I read that correctly), although a check of the "date" command on
>the server shows the correct date and time.


I'm not sure about the date issue, but those are the mailmanctl locks
that attempt to prevent you starting (not restarting) Mailman when
it's already running. Those locks should be there and are not the
cause of your problems.

If you still have the self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1) in SMTPDirect.py,
remove it, and then let us know if there are any errors/problems
remaining.

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[Mailman-Users] spamd error message

[Jon Slater]

Hmmm… Everything *seems* to be working…

But when I check my log files, I see:

Jun 20 18:50:21 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 18:50:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 18:50:33 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 18:54:01 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 19:18:42 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 19:53:37 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 21:03:58 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 21:03:58 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 21:03:59 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

Jun 20 21:16:22 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost

What’s wrong?

 

Thanks!

 

Jon


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Troublesome Mailman Errors

[Mark Sapiro]

George Booth wrote:
>
>Removing that line indeed caused our listserv mail to flow once again. You
>are a genius! I still got a failure showing up in the /var/log/mailman/post
>log when when I tried sending a test message to the list that hasn't been
>delivering to everyone, but I'm just glad the mail is flowing again. :) 


OK. That's good. Now we can get back to the original non-delivery
problem.



>And
>I guess Mailman is using the 2.3 installation of Python on our system;


The tracebacks in your posts showed Python library modules loaded from
/usr/lib/python2.3 so that's the version Mailman is using.


> I did
>a search on Python to see which version we were using, and it appears we
>have both 2.3 and 2.6.16 installed (I'd thought maybe we were using the
>2.6.16 until I saw the 2.3 version up there - I'll ask the server admins to
>verify that).


I don't know what 2.6.16 would be. The latest Python is 2.5.1.


>I also did still see the smtp error in the /var/log/mailman/error log when I
>restarted Mailman after removing that line:
>
>Jun 21 05:48:11 2007 (28494) Cannot connect to SMTP server 131.95.82.161 on
>port smtp
>
>But since mail is flowing, I don't know if I should even concern myself over
>that or not.


This is different. Last time you reported "Cannot connect to SMTP
server localhost on port smtp". Did you add

SMTPHOST = '131.95.82.161'

to mm_cfg.py in the mean time.


This message comes from OutgoingRunner when SMTPDirect.py is unable to
connect to the server because of a Python library socket.error
exception. It is only logged once, the first time it occurs after
OutgoingRunner is (re)started.

What do you see in Mailman's smtp and smtp-failure logs? There is
something flakey between Mailman and the outgoing MTA. This is quite
possibly the cause of your lost messages, but we need to see some more
clues which may be in the smtp-failure log.

It is puzzling because usually, a "Cannot connect" problem is a hard
failure and no mail goes out at all.


>Anyway, thank you again! Next time I make it to San Francisco, I owe you a
>beer. :)


I'll accept.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spamd error message

[Mark Sapiro]

Jon Slater wrote:

>Hmmm… Everything *seems* to be working…
>
>But when I check my log files, I see:
>
>Jun 20 18:50:21 2007 (2903) spamd: could not connect to spamd on localhost


In what log do you see this? Why do you think this is a Mailman issue?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] backup lists

[Patrick Bogen]

On 6/21/07, Alexandros Fragkiadakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sorry if this question has been asked before. How can i backup my lists
> and their configuration options?

Searching the FAQ for 'backup' reveals FAQ 4.18
,
"4.18. How do I backup my lists and their configurations/membership
rosters?"

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom verify.txt has Wrong Content-Type

[Mark Sapiro]

Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

>I have created a custom verify.txt for one of my lists, that is
>bilingual, English & Chinese.
>
>It is in $PREFIX/lists//en
>
>It goes out just fine, but the MIME Content-Type is wrong for this
>file to be read properly. It has a charset of us-ascii.
>
>Is there anyway to change it to utf-8 easily or do I need to change
>the source code somewhere?


This is not the normal way to handle a bilingual list. For discussion,
I'm going to use 'zh-CN - Chinese (China)' but it could just as well
be 'zh-TW - Chinese (Taiwan)', 'fr - French' or any other language for
which there is a Mailman translation.

First make sure that the desired language, Chinese (China) is checked
in available_languages ont the Language options page in the admin
interface.

Then when a user requests subscription via the web, the user can
specify Chinese (China) as their preferred language and they will
receive the zh-CN version of verify.txt rather than the en version.
You can still make a list specific template in english in
$PREFIX/lists//en
and chinese in $PREFIX/lists//zh-CN if the default template
isn't suitable for the list.

If you really want to make the english template bilingual and the
charset utf-8, you can change the charset for english. In general,
changing the charset can be problematic because the charset in which
the language messages and templates are encoded may not be compatible
with the new charset, but changing english to utf-8 should be OK as
utf-8 is a superset of the default us-ascii.

To make this specific change, put

add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8')

in mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] Feature comparison chart?

[Steven Clift]

Does anyone know of a feature comparison chart that compares Mailman to
tools like:

Sympa (open source)
GroupServer (open source, zope-based)
Listserv (commercial)
YahooGroups (ad supported)
GoogleGroups (ad supported)


Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom verify.txt has Wrong Content-Type

[Bryan Carbonnell]

On 6/21/07, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is not the normal way to handle a bilingual list. For discussion,

I know it's not the normal way to do things. I like to do things the hard way :)

Actually I am trying to do away with access to the web interface
altogether for the end users. I am just talking about e-mail MIME
encoding only.

> You can still make a list specific template in english in
> $PREFIX/lists//en
> and chinese in $PREFIX/lists//zh-CN if the default template
> isn't suitable for the list.

Which I have done, with the english templates, by making them bilingual.

> If you really want to make the english template bilingual and the
> charset utf-8, you can change the charset for english. In general,
> changing the charset can be problematic because the charset in which
> the language messages and templates are encoded may not be compatible
> with the new charset, but changing english to utf-8 should be OK as
> utf-8 is a superset of the default us-ascii.

Hmmm, that hadn't occured to me. I may have to revisit this down the road then.

> To make this specific change, put
>
> add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8')
>
> in mm_cfg.py and restart Mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] stat=unknown mailer error 2

[Aaron Schubert]

When sending an email message to a test list on our mailman list server I 
receive the following error in the sendmail maillog.  Here is the maillog entry.

Jun 21 13:55:50 listserv1 sendmail[4764]: l5LItoG2004763: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post unixtest", ctladdr=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30989, 
dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2

I am not sure what is happening but it looks like the error is when it tries to 
post.  Does anyone know what the stat=unknown mailer error 2 means and how to 
correct it?  Any help would be appreciated.


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[Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working

[Brian Maull]

Hello,
  We changed the firewall in our network and now our mailman installation is no 
longer working.  From the server mailman is installed on I can access the 
internet just fine, so DNS and the default gateway are functioning.
  
Is there anything in the mailman setup or in Red Hat 9 that I should check to 
see if it is pointing at my old firewall?
  Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] stat=unknown mailer error 2

[Mark Sapiro]

Aaron Schubert wrote:

>When sending an email message to a test list on our mailman list server I 
>receive the following error in the sendmail maillog.  Here is the maillog 
>entry.
>
>Jun 21 13:55:50 listserv1 sendmail[4764]: l5LItoG2004763: 
>to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post unixtest", ctladdr=<[EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30989, 
>dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2
>
>I am not sure what is happening but it looks like the error is when it tries 
>to post.  Does anyone know what the stat=unknown mailer error 2 means and how 
>to correct it?  Any help would be appreciated.


It means the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper exited with a
"group mismatch" error. See

for more generic info on this error and its correction.

There is a more detailed error message that may not be in your MTA logs
but should at least be in the DSN returned to the poster. This
detailed message will tell you as what group the wrapper was invoked
and what group was expected.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Maull wrote:

>  We changed the firewall in our network and now our mailman installation is 
> no longer working.  From the server mailman is installed on I can access the 
> internet just fine, so DNS and the default gateway are functioning.


This says nothing about the DNS records for your server. It only says
you can access DNS records for the internet names you try to access.
It doesn't say that I can find proper DNS records to allow me to
access you or send mail to you.

 
>Is there anything in the mailman setup or in Red Hat 9 that I should check to 
>see if it is pointing at my old firewall?


What doesn't work?

Can you access Mailman's web interface?

Do post's bounce? If so, why? If not, do they reach Mailman's archives?
Are they logged in Mailman's post log and smtp log. Is there anything
in Mailman's smtp-failure log?
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman for windows

[mattias jonsson]

Hm exist mailman for windows??


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for windows

[Mark Sapiro]

mattias jonsson wrote:

>Hm exist mailman for windows??


You can run Python, Mailman, an MTA and a web server under cygwin on
Windows, but there are security and other issues that make this a poor
choice for a production installation.

See also

and
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changed Firewall and Now Mailman is not working

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Posts get to the mailman server, but don't make it to the archives, bounce, or 
>go out to the list.

It is not clear to me why posts are not getting to the archive. If
everything worked before and the firewall is the only change and the
posts reach Mailman, the should get to the archive even if they can't
get sent out.

Is there anything in Mailman's error log?


>There is nothing in the smtp failure log, but there are errors in another log 
>that say (Name service error for yahoo.ca: Host not found, try again).


Which other log?

See

for some hints on this one.


>I can ping yahoo.ca no problem from the server

Can you connect to port 25 at yahoo.ca (something that your firewall
may well be blocking).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moved lists and now they don't work

[Mark Sapiro]

carconni wrote:
>
>Thank you, moving public out of the /var/mailman/archives/public  
>directory helped, now I can see my lists but I've lost my archives  
>and it doesn't seem to matter how many times or where I run /usr/ 
>share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f, I'm still getting these crazy  
>errors on various tasks:
>

>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/ 
>archives/private/ui.mbox/ui.mbox'


So there is no '/private/var/mailman/archives/private/ui.mbox/ui.mbox'
file. Did you move it? It should exist.



>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/var/mailman/ 
>archives/private/blogsafety-requests.mbox/blogsafety-requests.mbox'


Likewise
'/private/var/mailman/archives/private/blogsafety-requests.mbox/blogsafety-requests.mbox'.



>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/private/var/mailman/archives/ 
>private/tvguide-requests/index.html'


What are the permissions on this path? They should be similar to

[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -ld mailman
drwxrwsr-x  19 root mailman 4096 Mar  3 21:02 mailman/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives
drwxrwsr-x  4 root mailman 4096 Mar 21  2005 mailman/archives/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/private
drwxrws--x  74 root mailman 4096 May  4 09:30 mailman/archives/private/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/private/gpc-test
drwxrwsr-x  14 msapiro mailman 4096 Apr  4 03:27
mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -l mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/index.html
-rw-rw-r--  1 msapiro mailman 4899 Apr  3 08:56
mailman/archives/private/gpc-test/index.html


The owner (root, msapiro) is not important, but the group should be
mailman in every case.



>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 55,  
>in breaklink
> os.unlink(link)
>OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/private/var/mailman/ 
>archives/public/engineering'


Is '/private/var/mailman/archives/public/engineering' a symlink to
'/private/var/mailman/archives/private/engineering'? That's what it
should be.

What are the permissions on /private/var/mailman/archives/public? They
should be similar to

[EMAIL PROTECTED] var]$ ls -ld mailman/archives/public
drwxrwsr-x  2 root mailman 4096 May  4 09:30 mailman/archives/public/


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hi

Currently we are hosting lists.xyz.com using Mailman. Can I use the same
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I don't want the mailing lists of lists.abc.com to have a return id of
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