[Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman

2007-10-22 Thread Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis
Hi,

There is a weird problem with mailman. I have a few lists that all 
members are moderated. When an email arrives into each list, it is held 
for approval.

Suddenly, no messages are sent for the list administrators to approve or 
reject the incoming emails. Also, there are no postings in the Tend to 
pending moderator requests.

The problem is solved when i type  /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop

and then

  /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Then, all requests are properly sent to the administrators. For some 
reason, mailman stops delivering the requests for the list administrators.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Alexandros

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote:

Suddenly, no messages are sent for the list administrators to approve or 
reject the incoming emails. Also, there are no postings in the Tend to 
pending moderator requests.

The problem is solved when i type  /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop

and then

  /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Then, all requests are properly sent to the administrators. For some 
reason, mailman stops delivering the requests for the list administrators.


One or more of your qrunners is dying for some reason. Any of
IncomingRunner, VirginRunner or OutgoingRunner could cause the lack of
notices to the admin, but only no IncomingRunner would cause the posts
to not be in the admindb interface.

You have to check Mailman's 'qrunner' and 'error' logs for clues as to
why the runner(s) are dying.

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[Mailman-Users] Looking to migrate off of Majordomo

2007-10-22 Thread Scott Mohnkern
Okay, that probably made someone choke.   We're currently running 
majordomo (and have been for years) and we're looking to migrate off of 
majordomo, however, we need a solution which allows for non web based 
list management. (i.e. via email messages to the server)

I'm pretty sure mailman will do this, however I can't find any 
documentation about how to manage this way. 

1.  Is it possible to run mailman without using a web based interface?

2.  Is there documentation somewhere?


Scott Mohnkern

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[Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working?

2007-10-22 Thread Dan Mashal
Hello,

 

 

I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had to
run fix_url after creating the list. Right now it seems that the
moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the
right one).

 

 

Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is
there some flag you need to set for moderators to login?

 

 

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working?

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dan Mashal wrote:

I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had to
run fix_url after creating the list.


In Mailman 2.1.1 (why so old?) if you just specify list_name to
bin/newlist, the list will be created in the
DEFAULT_URL_HOST/DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST domains. if you want these to be
different you have to create [EMAIL PROTECTED], specifying the web
domain, not the email domain as url_host.


Right now it seems that the
moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the
right one).


Do you mean the moderator password or the list admin password?


Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is
there some flag you need to set for moderators to login?


No, but the moderator password can't log in to the admin interface,
only to the admindb interface. Only the list admin or site admin
password can be used to log in to the admin interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working?

2007-10-22 Thread Dan Mashal
Hi Mark,

Why so old? The system has been around since the dawn of time and hasn't
been upgraded since. It's running on an old sparc with Solaris. We are
going to be upgrading to the new version soon hopefully. As you know
though, it's not an easy task. :)

We seemed to just figure out the problem. We got the super duper mailman
password confused with a list administrator password.

That is, we are providing our users the list administrator/moderator
passwords and we are using the super duper password to login as
sysadmins. Thanks for your reply.

Thanks,
Dan

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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:39 AM
To: Dan Mashal; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator password not working?

Dan Mashal wrote:

I created a new list using the newlist command. For some reason I had
to
run fix_url after creating the list.


In Mailman 2.1.1 (why so old?) if you just specify list_name to
bin/newlist, the list will be created in the
DEFAULT_URL_HOST/DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST domains. if you want these to be
different you have to create [EMAIL PROTECTED], specifying the web
domain, not the email domain as url_host.


Right now it seems that the
moderator password does not work for this list (I know im using the
right one).


Do you mean the moderator password or the list admin password?


Any ideas why this might happen? We are using Mailman version 2.1.1. Is
there some flag you need to set for moderators to login?


No, but the moderator password can't log in to the admin interface,
only to the admindb interface. Only the list admin or site admin
password can be used to log in to the admin interface.

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking to migrate off of Majordomo

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Scott Mohnkern wrote:

Okay, that probably made someone choke.   We're currently running 
majordomo (and have been for years) and we're looking to migrate off of 
majordomo, however, we need a solution which allows for non web based 
list management. (i.e. via email messages to the server)


Mailman can't be administered effectively by email. It can be
administered without a web server by a combination of email and
command line tools, but not by email alone.

List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held
(un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list admin
tasks require a web interface or shell access with write permission to
the Mailman installation.

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[Mailman-Users] Disappearing message

2007-10-22 Thread Anne Ramey
Have a new and different one.  One of my users that has two lists, let's 
call them list1 and list2.  If he sends a message to list1 and cc's 
list2, list1 never receives the message.  If he sends the same message 
only to list1, it goes through fine.  According to my exim logs, it is 
delivering both messages to list1:

ex.

2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J = [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=myhost 
P=esmtp S=288168 [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=[List1] Agenda 
Change Advisory Board - Oct 23,2007 3:00pm
2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J = list1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J = list2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2007-10-22 08:28:48 1IjwOm-0002t6-2J Completed

2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD =  [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=myhost 
P=esmtp S=288873 [EMAIL PROTECTED] T=FW: [List2] 
[List1] Agenda Change Advisory Board -Oct 23, 2007 3:00pm
2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD = list1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport
2007-10-22 08:52:31 1Ijwli-0003WN-LD Completed

The first message is successfully posted to list2, the second message is 
successfully posted to list1.  The first message has absolutely no MM 
longs relative to list1.  Nothing in the vette, smtp, post, error, 
bounce, etc.  Nothing at all related to message one for List1.  This is 
a weekly message and this has happened for the last 4+ weeks.  Before 
that it appears to have worked fine.  I haven't made any system changes 
in that time.  What could cause something like this.  Is is possible a 
list setting could do this?  I checked the sender filters on both lists 
but saw nothing that looked wrong.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Anne
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange problem with mailman

2007-10-22 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes:

  Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote:

He's Greek.  I'll bet he has users putting raw ISO-8859-7 in the
headers.

Look for illegal character isn't ascii errors in the logs (something
like that, I forget exactly how it's spelled).
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

2007-10-22 Thread Mikael Hansen
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:47, Mark Sapiro wrote:
[Re: Looking to migrate off of Majordomo]

 List owners/moderators can approve or discard held posts and held  
 (un)subscribe requests by email, but that's about it. Other list  
 admin tasks require a web interface or shell access with write  
 permission to the Mailman installation.

I am hesitant to ask this as I should wait until one day when I can  
investigate it myself in more depth, but when the moderator approves  
or rejects, how can the moderator (using the web interface to send)  
receive a copy of the email going to the member? A forward of the  
moderated message does not include the moderator's decision.

And is there an archive of such decisions (and invitations etc)  
available to the moderator? I feel I must have overlooked the obvious.

Mikael

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderator archive

2007-10-22 Thread Mikael Hansen
On Oct 22, 2007, at 18:02, Mikael Hansen wrote:

 I feel I must have overlooked the obvious.

Such as adding a proper subject field ;-)

Mikael

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