Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

2007-10-29 Thread mattias
Ok i think i have find my answer
Thanks anyway


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mattias wrote:

I created a mailing list with mailman
But instead of my domain the listadress are 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are wrong??


Where are you seeing this address?

It could be an MTA/DNS issue, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.022.htp.

It could be a Mailman configuration issue, see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp.

We need to know where you are seeing the address in order to give a more
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

2007-10-29 Thread mattias
where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?
 
 


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Hi

See in mm_cfg.py variables...

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST =
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 




2007/10/28, mattias [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 

I created a mailing list with mailman
But instead of my domain the listadress are
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are wrong??


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[Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread montgoss

I setup a new list.  But the messages aren't going through.  I get a
returned mail with the following:

  - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown)

  - Transcript of session follows -
550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... User unknown

I have no clue what that error means.  And none of my searching turned up a
solution that worked for me.

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5

2007-10-29 Thread Helmut Schneider
Hi,

I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4
to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using
Python2.5:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 107, in module
from Mailman import Utils
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 32, in module
import sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py, line 6, in module
from hashlib import sha1 as sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 133, in module
md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 60, in
__get_builtin_constructor
import _md5
ImportError: No module named _md5

What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to
the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine.

Thanks, Helmut 

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[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI

2007-10-29 Thread QA Engg
hi,

1. Configured mailman using command
 * sudo ./congigure –with-gid-id=1000*
   and configuration is successful for above

2. I installed mailman from repository and start mailman using command
* sudo /etc/init.d/mailman start*
 mailman is started successfully

how could I get mailman GUI
I'm very much new for mailman and linux
please tell me the procedure what to do next
and how to get mailman GUI

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[Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list

2007-10-29 Thread Ian
Hi

I am having a small headache with our mailman server.

I recently created a new mailing list and put in 2 email addresses, the 
problem however is that whenever I send an email to the list, as a 
subscriber, it sends the email to a whole other email address that I 
cant seem to locate in any of the config files, I did a grep for the file..

The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server.

All the lists that was created on the previous server still works.

Can anyone tell me which config file(s) I should post in order for 
someone to be able to help me.

Your help will be much appreciated

Regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
mattias wrote:

where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?


In Defaults.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
montgoss wrote:

I setup a new list.  But the messages aren't going through.  I get a
returned mail with the following:

  - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown)


Did you install MTA aliases for the new list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

2007-10-29 Thread Dragon
mattias wrote:
where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?

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Read the comments in Defaults.py they will tell you what you can set 
in mm_cfg.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI

2007-10-29 Thread Dragon
QA Engg sent the message below at 05:17 10/29/2007:

how could I get mailman GUI
I'm very much new for mailman and linux
please tell me the procedure what to do next
and how to get mailman GUI
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There is no such thing. Mailman uses a set of command line tools and 
a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread montgoss

Possibly.  How do I check?


Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 Did you install MTA aliases for the new list?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dragon wrote:

QA Engg sent the message below at 05:17 10/29/2007:

how could I get mailman GUI
I'm very much new for mailman and linux
please tell me the procedure what to do next
and how to get mailman GUI
 End original message. -

There is no such thing. Mailman uses a set of command line tools and 
a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman.


I think he means the web interface.

The answer is to read the section in the Mailman Installation Manual on
setting up your web server
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
montgoss wrote:

Possibly.  How do I check?


Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 Did you install MTA aliases for the new list?


What is your incoming MTA? Some MTA's (e.g., exim) can be configured to
deliver mail to Mailman programatically and don't use aliases. Postfix
can be integrated with Mailman so that Mailman manages list aliases
automatically. Sendmail requires you to manually install aliases for
each Mailman list in /etc/aliases. Other MTA's may have other
requirements.

So what is your situation?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Helmut Schneider wrote:

I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4
to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using
Python2.5:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 107, in module
from Mailman import Utils
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 32, in module
import sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py, line 6, in module
from hashlib import sha1 as sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 133, in module
md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 60, in
__get_builtin_constructor
import _md5
ImportError: No module named _md5

What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to
the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine.


I had a similar if not the identical problem when I upgraded from
python 2.4 to 2.5 on a test system under cygwin (no chroot).

It turned out that Python 2.4 had been installed with prefix = /usr
(library in /usr/lib/python2.4) and Python 2.5 was installed with
prefix = /usr/local (library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5).

I think I could have fixed it with a few symlinks, but I wound up
removing and reinstalling python 2.5 with prefix = /usr.

Perhaps this will help you figure out what you need to do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Steven **
I am using Sendmail.  My /etc/alias file has:
## mailman mailing list
mailman: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

The list list was created through the web interface.  Am I supposed
to manually add similar entries for my new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?

-Steven

On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 montgoss wrote:
 
 Possibly.  How do I check?
 
 
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
  Did you install MTA aliases for the new list?


 What is your incoming MTA? Some MTA's (e.g., exim) can be configured to
 deliver mail to Mailman programatically and don't use aliases. Postfix
 can be integrated with Mailman so that Mailman manages list aliases
 automatically. Sendmail requires you to manually install aliases for
 each Mailman list in /etc/aliases. Other MTA's may have other
 requirements.

 So what is your situation?

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[Mailman-Users] Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience

2007-10-29 Thread Larry Stone
Wasting no time, I experiemented over the weekend with upgrading a clone
of my test server (Power PC) from Mac OS X Tiger (10.4.x) to Leopard
(10.5). It was not as smooth as could be and a number of configuration
changes were needed and I still have a startup problem. However, once I
work around the startup issue (#5 below), it all seems to be working.

1) Apple has changed all the application specific user IDs from ZZZ to
_ZZZ (e.g. mailman becomes _mailman). This requires changes to Postfix
(not a Mailman topic per se) and requires Mailman to be reconfigured and
remade.

2) Xinetd is gone. If mailman or anything else was still being started via
xinetd, it needs to be changed to start with launchd (launchd was
introduced with Tiger).

3) Apache is now Apache2. The configuration file is
/etc/apache2/httpd.conf rather than /etc/httpd/httpd.conf. Customizations
in /etc/httpd/httpd/conf are not migrated. In addition, tighter directory
security in Apache2 requires additional customizations to allow access to
the Mailman directories (sorry, I don't have them handy to include in this
note)

4) System shutdown does not seem to shutdown mailman cleanly anymore
requiring a 'mailmanctl -s start' to get mailman going. I've changed my
launchd startup file to add the -s. That obviously adds some risk but at
least for my environment, it's minimal.

5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard,
not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that Stray process message
means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search.

Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest com.apple.launchd[1] (mailman[56]): Stray process
with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 83 PPID 1 Python

Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the Starting
Mailman's ... message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching
but then dying with that Stray process error.

The Leopard provided version of Python 2.5.1 and I have mailman 2.1.9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Dragon
Steven ** sent the message below at 09:39 10/29/2007:
I am using Sendmail.  My /etc/alias file has:
 ## mailman mailing list
 mailman: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 mailman-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
 mailman-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
 mailman-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
 mailman-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
 mailman-leave:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
 mailman-owner:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
 mailman-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
 mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
 mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

The list list was created through the web interface.  Am I supposed
to manually add similar entries for my new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?
 End original message. -

Yes, you need to add these to the /etc/aliases file and then run 
newaliases for sendmail to recognize them.

When you create a new list with bin/newlist it will output a list of 
the aliases you need for the list. They must also be added to the 
aliases file and newaliases must be run.

Dragon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ian wrote:

I recently created a new mailing list and put in 2 email addresses, the 
problem however is that whenever I send an email to the list, as a 
subscriber, it sends the email to a whole other email address that I 
cant seem to locate in any of the config files, I did a grep for the file..

The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server.

All the lists that was created on the previous server still works.


Assuming the list has just the 2 members and the list mail is being
sent to others, I'm guessing that the MTA is delivering the mail to
this list to a different list or perhaps to a different Mailman
installation.

Did you perhaps make MTA aliases for this list by editing other aliases
incompletely. E.g., by copying

list1:  |/path/to/mail/mailman post list1
etc.

and changing them to

list2:  |/path/to/mail/mailman post list1
etc.

instead of

list2:  |/path/to/mail/mailman post list2
etc.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mac OS X Leopard upgrade experience

2007-10-29 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn
Hi,

I run Mailman on Linux servers, so I can't actually speak from experiemce, 
but I'm a longtime Mac user on the desktop and have followed the launchd 
migration.

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 4) System shutdown does not seem to shutdown mailman cleanly anymore
 requiring a 'mailmanctl -s start' to get mailman going. I've changed my
 launchd startup file to add the -s. That obviously adds some risk but at
 least for my environment, it's minimal.

I wonder if the shutdown couldn't be made clean. I don't know if there's a 
hook for launchd clients or if Apple uses a certain signal to terminate 
processes on shutdown, but I think it *must* be possible to handle this.

 5) Startup is intermittently(?) failing due to what seems to be a Leopard,
 not mailman, issue. I'm not at all sure what that Stray process message
 means and have not turned up anything useful in a web search.

 Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest mailman[56]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
 Oct 29 07:36:46 Leoptest com.apple.launchd[1] (mailman[56]): Stray process
 with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 83 PPID 1 Python

 Nothing appears in the mailman logs but unless I'm mistaken, the Starting
 Mailman's ... message comes from mailmanctl so mailmanctl is launching
 but then dying with that Stray process error.

I haven't heard about that but it seems to me as though launchd notices 
that the new process is in the same process group as a previous one that's 
died. I suppose that's why it considers the new one a stray process. A 
workaround might be to force a new process group during startup, e.g. 
setsid(2) or setpgid(2) ...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing message

2007-10-29 Thread Anne Ramey


Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Anne Ramey wrote:

   
 snip
 
 Way 2 is to modify scripts/post to log something. At the end of the
 main() function following:

 inq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.INQUEUE_DIR)
 inq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(),
 listname=listname,
 tolist=1, _plaintext=1)

 add

 print  sys.stderr, _('post to %(listname)s received and queued')


 This will write the 'post to %(listname)s received and queued' message
 with the listname filled in to both the error and post logs for every
 post. This again will tell you if the post got to the post script.

   
   
 snip

 OK, I added this code, but I get this:
 Oct 26 16:18:41 2007 post(17996): post to %(listname)s received and queued
 in the error log (it doesn't replace the listname with the variable) and 
 nothing in the post log.  Did I do something wrong?
 


 Nothing in the post log is correct. I forgot what the
 LogStdErr(error, post) call in the script does. I thought the
 second argument was a second log, but it's the identifying label.

 The non-replacement of %(listname)s with the name is puzzling. The i18n
 _() function should do this replacement. I copied the print directly
 from below and it worked for me. However, you could do the
 interpolation directly as in

 print  sys.stderr, 'post to %s received and queued' % listname

 and that should work.


   
I tried this and he re-sent the problem child message this morning.  I 
got the message in the error log that it was received and queued for 
both list1 and list2, but it only went out to list2.  There is only the 
one entry in the post log (for list 2), and the message never was 
received by the list1 membership.  He later resent (forwarded) the 
message to only list1 and it went through fine.  This tells me that 
Mailman is correctly receiving the message from exim, queuing it up, 
then it vanishes and never gets posted.  Here was the problem:I was 
Bcc'd on the message and these are what the headers looked like (I've 
taken out the received headers)

Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (added by [EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'person1' person1
@ncmail.net,
'person2' person2
@ncmail.net,
'List2' List2
@lists.ncmail.net
Subject: [ITS.CAB] Agenda Change Advisory Board - Oct 30,2007 3:30pm - CCS 
Conference room
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:39:34 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary==_NextPart_000_006F_01C81A17.FEDB8B30
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353
X-SeenV-Signature: 380cab9dbfff031d1ef4ebe96869db18
X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9rc1
List-Unsubscribe: 
http://lists.ncmail.net/mailman/listinfo/List1,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://lists.ncmail.net/mailman/listinfo/List1,mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198
Thread-Index: Acfu5oRLJ2rqVU9SRmCpWPWGXW+9IA==


He was copying a message from before that he had received, editting it 
and sending it to the list, so it already had the x-been-there headers.  
I'd never run into this before, so I thank Mark very much for 
recommending the BCC. 

Thanks for all the help,
Anne

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mail through Mailing list

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, Ian wrote:

  The problem started after we migrated everything over to a new server.

  All the lists that was created on the previous server still works.

Check your aliases.  Odds are that you copied over all the files in 
/usr/local/mailman (or wherever your system puts all the 
Mailman-specific configuration files), but you didn't copy over the 
Mailman-specific aliases for your MTA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, QA Engg wrote:

  how could I get mailman GUI
  I'm very much new for mailman and linux
  please tell me the procedure what to do next
  and how to get mailman GUI

The only GUI for Mailman is the web interface, and that doesn't cover 
all of the things you may want/need to do.  For the rest, the only 
option is to use the command-line.

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[Mailman-Users] Can admin subscribe users via e-mail?

2007-10-29 Thread Rosenbaum, Larry M.
We are migrating our lists from Majordomo to Mailman.  Some list owners have 
been subscribing users to their lists by sending emails which contain lines 
like this:

approve password subscribe/unsubscribe listname email address

Does Mailman have an equivalent way for list admins to subscribe users via the 
email interface?  If so, how is it done?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can admin subscribe users via e-mail?

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:

We are migrating our lists from Majordomo to Mailman.  Some list owners have 
been subscribing users to their lists by sending emails which contain lines 
like this:

approve password subscribe/unsubscribe listname email address

Does Mailman have an equivalent way for list admins to subscribe users via the 
email interface?  If so, how is it done?


No. The list admin can send the command

subscribe [password] [digest|nodigest] [address=address]

to the list-request address, but this is a user subscribe request. the
password if any is the user password to set for the user.

This request is still subject to whatever confirmation/approval is
required by the list for new subscriptions, and there is no way for
the admin to pre-approve it or bypass the user confirmation email if
any.

I think I may have indicated in a previous thread that if the
subscription required admin approval, that could be done by email, but
I just checked and that is not the case.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, montgoss wrote:

  I have no clue what that error means.  And none of my searching turned up a
  solution that worked for me.

That's an alias problem.  Depending on which MTA you use and how you 
integrate your MTA into Mailman, you will need to fix your aliases.

Go back to the Mailman installation documentation section on MTA 
integration, at 
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/mail-server.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, Helmut Schneider wrote:

  I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from Python2.4
  to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start anymore using
  Python2.5:

I believe that Mailman 2.1.9 requires Python 2.4, preferably the 
latest release of Python 2.4.  When they went to Python version 2.5, 
my understanding is that they broke some things that Mailman depends 
on.

I believe that Mailman 2.1.10 will probably be compatible with Python 
2.5, but until then your only choice is to either downgrade the 
system to Python 2.4, or to install a second copy of Python 2.4 and 
rebuild Mailman to explicitly point to that alternative version.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Troy Campbell wrote:

I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue 
directory e.g.,
for the mmdsr script:

QUEUEDIR=/var/lib/mailman/qfiles


Look in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py for a definition of QUEUE_DIR.  If
this is a RedHat FHS compliant package, it's /var/spool/mailman/ (no
'qfiles' directory).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named _md5

2007-10-29 Thread Helmut Schneider
From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Helmut Schneider wrote:
I'm running mailman 2.1.9 chrooted. Recently FreeBSD switched from
 Python2.4 to Python2.5 as default. As an effect mailman won't start
 anymore using Python2.5:
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 107, in module
 from Mailman import Utils
 File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 32, in module
 import sha
 File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py, line 6, in module
 from hashlib import sha1 as sha
 File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 133, in module
 md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
 File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 60, in
__get_builtin_constructor
 import _md5
ImportError: No module named _md5
What did I miss? I suspect that some additional files need to be copied to
the jail but which ones? Using Python2.4 mailman still works fine.
 I had a similar if not the identical problem when I upgraded from
 python 2.4 to 2.5 on a test system under cygwin (no chroot).
 It turned out that Python 2.4 had been installed with prefix = /usr
 (library in /usr/lib/python2.4) and Python 2.5 was installed with
 prefix = /usr/local (library in /usr/local/lib/python2.5).
 I think I could have fixed it with a few symlinks, but I wound up
 removing and reinstalling python 2.5 with prefix = /usr.
 Perhaps this will help you figure out what you need to do.

It helped, yes, but I don't know how to solve it :)

When I start mailman non-chrooted python requests md5.py while when chrooted
it tries to access _md5.py. That only happens with md5, e.g. sha1 is not
effected.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ktrace -id /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman start
Site list is missing: mailman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# kdump -sf ./ktrace.out | grep md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5module.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.py
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/md5.pyc
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5module.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.py
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/md5.pyc
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/md5.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/md5module.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/md5.py
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/md5.pyc
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/md5module.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.py
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/md5.pyc
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5module.so
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.py
 22569 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/md5.pyc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ktrace -id /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman-chroot start
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 107, in module
from Mailman import Utils
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 32, in module
import sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/sha.py, line 6, in module
from hashlib import sha1 as sha
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 133, in module
md5 = __get_builtin_constructor('md5')
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py, line 60, in
__get_builtin_constructor
import _md5
  File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.py, line 6, in module
from hashlib import md5
ImportError: cannot import name md5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# kdump -sf ./ktrace.out | grep md5
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5module.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.py
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/_md5.pyc
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/_md5
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/_md5.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/_md5module.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/_md5.py
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/_md5.pyc
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5module.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.py
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/mailman/bin/_md5.pyc
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5module.so
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  /usr/local/lib/python2.5/_md5.py
 22576 python2.5 NAMI  

[Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Troy Campbell
I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue 
directory e.g.,
for the mmdsr script:

QUEUEDIR=/var/lib/mailman/qfiles

Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro wrote:

  That usually gets it, but in the RedHat FHS compliant package, the
  directory isn't named 'qfiles', so

D'oh!

   # find /var -name virgin -print

  might be more successful.

Just goes to show you how much I know about Red Hat

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, Troy Campbell wrote:

  When there are new updates to this report script how might we know?

If I make any further updates to the script, I will post about them 
to the mailman-users list.  I'll also make sure that the version 
available for download via the patches link is updated, and I'll 
work with Mark to make sure that the version you get in contrib/ is 
also updated.

  Are you going to send notices out periodically to this list?

Periodically?  No.  But if I make any further changes, yes.


BTW, since I'm expecting Mailman 2.1.10 to be released soon, this 
might be a good time for people to chime in with enhancements they'd 
like to see made to mmdsr.  It would be nice to get this updated 
before 2.1.10 gets released.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Brad Knowles
On 10/29/07, Troy Campbell wrote:

  I'm trying to figure out how to find out the location of my queue
  directory e.g.,
  for the mmdsr script:

  QUEUEDIR=/var/lib/mailman/qfiles

That all depends on where your version of Mailman is configured to 
store those files.


If you downloaded and installed the version of Mailman from our 
official sources (see http://www.list.org/download.html), then the 
location would be /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/.

However, if you instead installed from a binary package that was 
built by someone else, you'd need to find out where they put that 
stuff.  Somewhere under /var is a good guess, but unless you find 
someone who's installed the same binary package of Mailman on the 
same platform, then you're left with doing a command like:

# find /var -name qfiles -print

And hope that catches it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mmdsr question

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brad Knowles wrote:

   # find /var -name qfiles -print

And hope that catches it.


That usually gets it, but in the RedHat FHS compliant package, the
directory isn't named 'qfiles', so

# find /var -name virgin -print

might be more successful.

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[Mailman-Users] Issues with the unsubscribe feature of this list

2007-10-29 Thread Brenn Kapitan
Hi there,

My client has chosen not to use this software and I have tried to
unsubscribe, yet I still receive daily messages. Attached is my confirmation
of my removal from the list from your server. 

Thank you 

Brenn Kapitan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issues with the unsubscribe feature of this list

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brenn Kapitan wrote:

My client has chosen not to use this software and I have tried to
unsubscribe, yet I still receive daily messages. Attached is my confirmation
of my removal from the list from your server. 

Thank you 

Brenn Kapitan

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Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 44, Issue 44

snip


This is not a confirmation of anything. It is the first portion of
todays digest.

I just now went to
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users and requested
unsubscription of [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may have done the same, but
this does not remove you from the list. It only sends a confirmation
request to you.

You still have to receive that request and either reply to it or follow
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Steven **
Well, I added those for my new list and then ran newaliases.  Posts
are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list
members.  I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything
associated with the post attempt.  I also checked what I believe are
the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there
either.  The last entry in the logs is me running newaliases.  Where
else should I look for the error?

-Steven


On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steven wrote:

 I am using Sendmail.  My /etc/alias file has:
 ## mailman mailing list
 mailman: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
 mailman-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
 mailman-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
 mailman-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
 mailman-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
 mailman-leave:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
 mailman-owner:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
 mailman-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
 mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
 mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman
 
 The list list was created through the web interface.  Am I supposed
 to manually add similar entries for my new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?


 Yes. Every list needs a set of 10 aliases like the above with the first
 and last occurrences of 'mailman' in each alias replaced with the list
 name as in

 listname: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname
 listname-admin:   |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin listname
 etc.

 As Dragon says, if you create a list with bin/newlist, newlist will
 tell you about the aliases, and if you create the list via the web,
 Mailman will email the required aliases to mailman-owner which will go
 to the owner of the 'mailman' list. This assumes that you haven't
 overridden the default MTA = 'Manual' setting in mm_cfg.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Sapiro
Steven wrote:

Well, I added those for my new list and then ran newaliases.  Posts
are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list
members.  I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything
associated with the post attempt.  I also checked what I believe are
the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there
either.  The last entry in the logs is me running newaliases.  Where
else should I look for the error?


Is Mailman running?

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned

2007-10-29 Thread Steven **
Yup:
$ ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
list  5288  0.0  0.4   8704  4560 ?Ss   Oct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start

$ ps auxww | egrep 'p[y]thon'
list  5288  0.0  0.4   8704  4560 ?Ss   Oct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
list  5301  0.0  0.5   8340  5696 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1
-s
list  5302  0.0  0.5   8384  5716 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1
-s
list  5303  0.0  0.5   8384  5724 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
list  5304  0.0  0.5   8340  5700 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
list  5305  0.0  0.5   8632  5744 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1
-s
list  5306  0.0  0.5   8640  5784 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
list  5307  0.0  0.5   8404  5700 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1
-s
list  5308  0.0  0.5   8404  5700 ?SOct28   0:00
/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1
-s

-Steven

On 10/29/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steven wrote:

 Well, I added those for my new list and then ran newaliases.  Posts
 are no longer bounced, but they still aren't going out to list
 members.  I checked the mailman logs and can't find anything
 associated with the post attempt.  I also checked what I believe are
 the sendmail logs (/var/log/mail.*) and didn't find anything there
 either.  The last entry in the logs is me running newaliases.  Where
 else should I look for the error?


 Is Mailman running?

 See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp.

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