Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithouta MTA?

[Mark Sapiro]

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
>
>But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)
>
>So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
>email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
>correct way. Anyone has it documented?


You can fetch the mail from the remote mailbox with fetchmail and pass
it from fetchmail to procmail. Then in your .procmailrc you can set
recipes to deliver to the Mailman mail wrapper with appropriate
options.

Here's an example of procmail recipes used in a somewhat different
context:

# LISTNAME mailman list
:0
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-admin$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-bounces$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-confirm$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-join$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman join LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-leave$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman leave LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-owner$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman owner LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-request$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman request LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-subscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-unsubscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe LISTNAME


In this case, EnvelopeTo is set to an argument passed to procmail, but
in your case with fetchmail from a single mailbox, the actual envelope
recipient probably isn't available, so you may need to look at To: and
Cc: headers instead which isn't as reliable.

The alternative as Dennis Putnam suggests is to create 10 mailboxes per
list at the remote. Then you can use fetchmail to fetch from a
specific mailbox and pipe to the wrapper with the appropriate
arguments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't change max_num_recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

Lev Lafayette wrote:
>
>I have a number of mailman lists with multiple domains that I'm looking
>after... In the web administration tool any attempt to change
>max_num_recipients under Privacy/Recipient filters causes it to revert
>to the default of 10.
>
>Any hints on why this would be the case?


If you can't change anything in the web admin interface, see

and
.

If the web admin interface is working normally except for setting
max_num_recipients, I don't have a clue why this would be. What
Mailman version is this? Installed from source or what package?

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[Mailman-Users] Can't change max_num_recipients

[Lev Lafayette]

Hey people,

I have a number of mailman lists with multiple domains that I'm looking
after... In the web administration tool any attempt to change
max_num_recipients under Privacy/Recipient filters causes it to revert
to the default of 10.

Any hints on why this would be the case?

Thanks in advance,


Lev

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?

[Brian Carpenter]

Hi Chuck:

Actually we charge $4 a month hosting for a list of your size. You can check
out our hosting plan that is designed specifically for mailman users at
http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. We also do not impose any sort of sending
limits on our mailman clients. We have been doing this for years now.

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?

On 11/4/07 12:29 PM, "Chuck Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We have a newsletter with 1500+ subscribers which is currently hosted on
my
> friends house.  He has DSL and the connection goes to crap for 5-15
minutes
> every time we send one out, other than that it works fine.  When I looked
at
> some of the low cost hosting options none of them seem to be good because
of
> various limitations like 500 messages per hour.  We send out 1 or 2
> newsletters a week at most so it has been hard to justify spending the
> $40-$100 or more a month for better hosting.
> 
> I have been wanting to try out Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud,
> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2, and I think it would be really cool to fire up
> the EC2 instance (basically a linux server) for an hour and fire off the
> newsletter.
> Has anyone done this sort of thing?
> 
> I doubt it could it be as simple as making a temporary exim smarthost with
> some configuration tweaks.
> 
> What is required to make this work properly?

Brad points out disk performance issues and others.

In addition, each time you fire up your EC2 server, it gets a dynamically
assigned IP which is virtually certain to differ from the last time.  And
that includes restarts after crashes (but of course they don't crash).

So you have to deal with the usual problems of running mail servers on
dynamic IPs.  Both incoming and outgoing servers in this case...the incoming
problem can be solved by routing through the home server--that leaves the
list members who won't get their copies because the mail comes from a
dynamic pool space--but the list may already have that problem.

So nice as the idea sounds, it likely isn't practical.

Unfortunately, I can't help with specific configurations.

  --John


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can one use EC2 for bandwidth spikes?

[John W. Baxter]

On 11/4/07 12:29 PM, "Chuck Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We have a newsletter with 1500+ subscribers which is currently hosted on my
> friends house.  He has DSL and the connection goes to crap for 5-15 minutes
> every time we send one out, other than that it works fine.  When I looked at
> some of the low cost hosting options none of them seem to be good because of
> various limitations like 500 messages per hour.  We send out 1 or 2
> newsletters a week at most so it has been hard to justify spending the
> $40-$100 or more a month for better hosting.
> 
> I have been wanting to try out Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud,
> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2, and I think it would be really cool to fire up
> the EC2 instance (basically a linux server) for an hour and fire off the
> newsletter.
> Has anyone done this sort of thing?
> 
> I doubt it could it be as simple as making a temporary exim smarthost with
> some configuration tweaks.
> 
> What is required to make this work properly?

Brad points out disk performance issues and others.

In addition, each time you fire up your EC2 server, it gets a dynamically
assigned IP which is virtually certain to differ from the last time.  And
that includes restarts after crashes (but of course they don't crash).

So you have to deal with the usual problems of running mail servers on
dynamic IPs.  Both incoming and outgoing servers in this case...the incoming
problem can be solved by routing through the home server--that leaves the
list members who won't get their copies because the mail comes from a
dynamic pool space--but the list may already have that problem.

So nice as the idea sounds, it likely isn't practical.

Unfortunately, I can't help with specific configurations.

  --John


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Brad Knowles schrieb:
> On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> 
>>  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
>>  do I go through this part:
> 
> The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server and 
> pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local MTA on 
> the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to read those 
> aliases and do the right thing with the messages being processed.

No, fetchmail can also work without a local MTA.
It can pass fetched emails to a local programs or scripts, like:

# cat /tmp/deliver.sh
#!/bin/bash

cat >> /tmp/text



# fetchmail -u user -m /tmp/deliver.sh mail.server
Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
1 message for user at mail.server.
reading message [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1 of 1 (1631 header octets). (5 body 
octets) flushed


And we have a mail written to /tmp/text.


> This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
> anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role of 
> taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to the 
> right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest way to 
> do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)

So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
correct way. Anyone has it documented?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Brad Knowles]

On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

>  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
>  do I go through this part:

The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server 
and pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local 
MTA on the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to 
read those aliases and do the right thing with the messages being 
processed.

This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role 
of taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to 
the right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest 
way to do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Dennis Putnam]

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At 11:56 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

>So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail 
>is easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).
>
>So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - 
>how do I go through this part:
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html
>
>
>Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make 
>any sense:
>
>
># bin/genaliases
>To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
>equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
>`newaliases' program:
>
>## some-list mailing list
>some-list:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list"
>some-list-admin:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list"
>some-list-bounces:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list"
>some-list-confirm:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list"
>some-list-join: "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list"
>some-list-leave:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list"
>some-list-owner:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list"
>some-list-request:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list"
>some-list-subscribe:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list"
>some-list-unsubscribe:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list"
>
>
>
>Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.), and 
>fetchmail should fetch it to:
>
>/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/
>
>?

That won't work. You need to create each one of those aliases as a 
mailbox at your ISP. Then do a fetchmail on each one.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

> Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like
> fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be
> delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using
> Mailman's Maildir delivery.

So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail is 
easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).

So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how 
do I go through this part:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html


Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make any 
sense:


# bin/genaliases
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## some-list mailing list
some-list:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list"
some-list-admin:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list"
some-list-bounces:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list"
some-list-confirm:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list"
some-list-join: "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list"
some-list-leave:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list"
some-list-owner:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list"
some-list-request:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list"
some-list-subscribe:"|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list"
some-list-unsubscribe:  "|/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list"



Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.), and 
fetchmail should fetch it to:

/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re Problems with "more info" Hyperlink fromListArchives Page

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry Finkel 
>
>I did not run
>
> bin/arch --wipe
>
>because I did not need to, and also I was unsure of the proper
>parameters.  I also did not have time to look for the man page.
>I know that when I convert a Majordomo list to Mailman, I have to run
>
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe $LISTNAME majordomolist.mbox
>
>after creating the majordomolist.mbox file from the Majordomo list
>archives.  On my Ubuntu system
>
> man arch
>
>displays the man page for
>
> arch - print machine architecture


There is no 'manpage' per se for any of Mailman's bin/ commands, but
they all have a -h/--help option.


>One thing that
>
> fixurl
>
>did that I was not expecting was to change
>
> host_name
>
>back to the default in one test list where I had set it to another
>nodename for testing.  But re-setting this parameter was easy to do
>via the admin web interface.


If this list has it's web_page_url based on DEFAULT_URL_HOST and its
host_name different from DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, then what you did is the
best you can do with fix_url.

Run bin/fix_url.py (rather than running bin/withlist -r fix_url ...) to
see the help for fix_url.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re Problems with "more info" Hyperlink from ListArchives Page

[Barry Finkel]

Barry Finkel wrote:

>>I wrote, in part,
>>
...
I have 13 lists.  For each list I checked the URL chains from the

 https://lists.example.com/mailman/listinfo

Mailman "home page", and for five of the lists I see URL problems.

...

Note that the Mailman list archives page lacks a "/" between "mailman"
and "listinfo".  For each of these bad lists I ran

 /usr/lib/mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url $list -u lists.example.com

but there were no changes to the URLs.
...
>>
>>and "Richard Rae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>>
>>>You might need to run the fix_url command
>>>
>>>~/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url listname
>>
>>Is this any different than the command I ran?  I tried the
>>
>> fix_url
>>
>>command without the
>>
>> -u lists.example.com
>>
>>parameter, and the URLs did not change.

and Mark Sapiro replied:

>Yes, it is different, but that is not the current problem (or maybe it
>was, but more on that in a paragraph).
>
>The -u option sets the url_host in case that list's url_host is
>different from DEFAULT_URL_HOST, which I gather in your case it is not.
>
>Here's what I think the issue is. When you originally changed
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN for the https scheme you left off the trailing
>slash and added cgi-bin/as in
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/cgi-bin/mailman'
>(when the 'mailman' list was created)
>
>also, apparently at some point you had other things like
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/cgi-bin/mailman/'
>(bad3 through bad 6)
>and
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/'
>(bad2)
>
>
>You later corrected that to
>
>DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>
>and (perhaps later still) ran fix_url which fixed the hidden
>web_page_url attribute on these six lists.
>
>However, the archive pages are static HTML pages. Current index and TOC
>pages are constantly rebuilt as messages are added to the archives,
>but pages that haven't been updated since before you ran fix_url will
>have bad links as you observe.
>
>There are a few ways to fix this. The easiest is to run 'bin/arch
>--wipe' on all the problem lists, but if these lists have archives
>going back to older Mailman versions (I'm not sure how old is a
>problem, but maybe 2.0.x, maybe pre 2.1.4), there are some potential
>issues in that there may be unescaped "From " lines in message bodies
>that are taken as mbox message separators by the archiver
>(bin/cleanarch can help find/fix these). Also, there is a possibility
>that messages may get renumbered in the archive which is not a problem
>in itself, but it invalidates any saved URLs linking to individual
>archive messages.
>
>If you don't want to run 'bin/arch --wipe' you can ignore the problem.
>The main TOC page and the current period's index pages should get
>fixed the next time a message is archived for the list, and new index
>pages will be built correctly. If older index pages are a concern,
>they can be edited with a script.

Mark has a correct diagnosis.  I went back through my records, and
I did have different

 DEFAULT_URL_HOST

values when I created these test lists.  Each list was created with
Mailman 2.1.9, so for most of the lists, sending another test posting
to the list corrected the archive URL.

I did not run

 bin/arch --wipe

because I did not need to, and also I was unsure of the proper
parameters.  I also did not have time to look for the man page.
I know that when I convert a Majordomo list to Mailman, I have to run

 /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe $LISTNAME majordomolist.mbox

after creating the majordomolist.mbox file from the Majordomo list
archives.  On my Ubuntu system

 man arch

displays the man page for

 arch - print machine architecture

One thing that

 fixurl

did that I was not expecting was to change

 host_name

back to the default in one test list where I had set it to another
nodename for testing.  But re-setting this parameter was easy to do
via the admin web interface.
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