Re: [Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1

[Larry Stone]

On 11/12/07 6:12 PM, Matt Zimmerman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
> because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
> server.

MM 2.1.9 with Python 2.5.1 is working fine for me on Mac OS X 10.5
(Leopard).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1

[Mark Sapiro]

Matt Zimmerman wrote:

>Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
>because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
>server.


Yes. There will be some DeprecationWarning messages about string
exceptions in the Mailman's error log, but everything works.

Note that 2.1.10b0 will be released very soon, and it will supress the
warnings.

There appear to be difficulties in installing Mailman on Solaris 10.
See some of the recent threads returned by

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[Mailman-Users] Python 2.5.1

[Matt Zimmerman]

Is Mailman 2.1.9 compatible with Python 2.5.1? The reason I ask is
because I am having trouble configuring Mailman on a Solaris 10 sparc
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lists not Sending

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Noise wrote:

>I'm running into a problem today with posting and receiving through lists.
>This morning posts to the list were being sent and received fine, and now
>the posts are being sent through the email client correctly (I checked with
>a non-list email address), but nothing is being posted to the list. I've
>been back through the settings and nothing seems to be off on the list.
>Nothing is in the archives, and nothing is being held for moderation.


See
,
especially items 1b), 5b), 6) and 7).

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[Mailman-Users] Lists not Sending

[Tom Noise]

I'm running into a problem today with posting and receiving through lists.
This morning posts to the list were being sent and received fine, and now
the posts are being sent through the email client correctly (I checked with
a non-list email address), but nothing is being posted to the list. I've
been back through the settings and nothing seems to be off on the list.
Nothing is in the archives, and nothing is being held for moderation.

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Frédéric Mantegazza]

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:

> > I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while
> > they are not in the list of files to remove:
> >
> > pass_mime_types:
> >
> > multipart/mixed
> > multipart/alternative
> > text/plain
> > multipart/signed
> > application/pgp-signature
>
> pass_mime_types takes precedence over *_filename_extensions. The
> settings above will filter every elemental MIME part with content-type
> other than text/plain or application/pgp-signature.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while they 
> are not in the list of files to remove:
> 
> pass_mime_types:
> 
> multipart/mixed
> multipart/alternative
> text/plain
> multipart/signed
> application/pgp-signature


pass_mime_types takes precedence over *_filename_extensions. The
settings above will filter every elemental MIME part with content-type
other than text/plain or application/pgp-signature.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Mark Sapiro]

Juan Miscaro wrote:
>
>There must be some other mechanism at play here because there was very
>little of the heldmsg-* files.  However, when I discarded them
>(bin/discard) and restarted qrunner again I (postfix) am swamped with
>messages.


I suspect that you had a lot of messages queued in the 'virgin', 'in'
or 'out' queue and the corresponding qrunner wasn't running.


>I am looking in (for OpenBSD) /var/spool/mailman and I see
>some large directories:
>
>
>$ du -sh *
>
>199Marchives
>172Kdata
>18.6M   lists
>2.0Klocks
>64.6M   logs
>38.3M   qfiles
>2.0Kspam
>
>
>$ du -sh logs/*  
>
>4.3Mlogs/bounce
>240Klogs/error
>30.0K   logs/locks
>12.0K   logs/mischief
>320Klogs/post
>138Klogs/qrunner
>6.2Mlogs/smtp
>52.5M   logs/smtp-failure
>864Klogs/subscribe
>38.0K   logs/vette


It looks like you have lots of log entries. Do you rotate your logs?


>$ du -sh qfiles/*
>
>2.0Kqfiles/archive
>48.0K   qfiles/bounces
>2.0Kqfiles/commands
>238Kqfiles/in
>2.0Kqfiles/news
>2.0Mqfiles/out
>2.0Kqfiles/retry
>24.3M   qfiles/shunt
>11.7M   qfiles/virgin


These big qfiles entries can be either a very large directory itself or
lots of stuff in the directory or both. Large directories result from
the corresponding runner not running and many messages piling up in
the queue. Once the runner starts, the messages are processed and
removed, but the directory itself never shrinks unless you do it
manually.

The shunt queue doesn't have a runner. Messages that encounter
unanticipated processing exceptions are placed in the shunt queue, and
the exception is logged in the error log. It is up to you to fix the
problem and delete the shunt queue entry or reprocess the shunted
messages with bin/unshunt.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Juan Miscaro]

--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Juan Miscaro 
> >
> >I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?
> >
> >No information readily available on the net for this.
> 
> 
> I don't know whether you consider it "readily available", but see
>
.
> 
> Also, see
>
.


Thank you.

There must be some other mechanism at play here because there was very
little of the heldmsg-* files.  However, when I discarded them
(bin/discard) and restarted qrunner again I (postfix) am swamped with
messages.  I am looking in (for OpenBSD) /var/spool/mailman and I see
some large directories:


$ du -sh *

199Marchives
172Kdata
18.6M   lists
2.0Klocks
64.6M   logs
38.3M   qfiles
2.0Kspam


$ du -sh logs/*  

4.3Mlogs/bounce
240Klogs/error
30.0K   logs/locks
12.0K   logs/mischief
320Klogs/post
138Klogs/qrunner
6.2Mlogs/smtp
52.5M   logs/smtp-failure
864Klogs/subscribe
38.0K   logs/vette


$ du -sh qfiles/*

2.0Kqfiles/archive
48.0K   qfiles/bounces
2.0Kqfiles/commands
238Kqfiles/in
2.0Kqfiles/news
2.0Mqfiles/out
2.0Kqfiles/retry
24.3M   qfiles/shunt
11.7M   qfiles/virgin



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Frédéric Mantegazza]

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> > Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I
> > can't find it...
>
> Privacy options...->Spam filters

Got it. Thanks.

I realized something: .doc attachment are removed from messages, while they 
are not in the list of files to remove:

pass_mime_types:

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
multipart/signed
application/pgp-signature

filter_filename_extensions:

exe
bat
cmd
com
pif
scr
vbs
cpl

Why?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Mark Sapiro]

Juan Miscaro 
>
>I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?
>
>No information readily available on the net for this.


I don't know whether you consider it "readily available", but see
.

Also, see
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Juan Miscaro]

--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Juan Miscaro wrote:
> >
> >How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender
> of
> >messages to my announce-only lists?
> >
> >I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the
> lists.
> 
> 
> See
>

> for suggestions on list setup. The single person can post to the
> lists
> using an Approved: header as discussed in the FAQ article.
> 
> 
> >I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
> >multiple lists.
> 
> 
> You can put the various settings such as default_member_moderation,
> member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice in a file to be
> input to bin/config_list and run config_list on multiple lists with a
> shell script.
> 
> See  (mirrored
> at
> ) for a withlist
> script that can be used to set all current list members to moderated
> if you want to do this from the command line. 


Thank you.

I now see that my mailman queue is full of spam.  How do I purge it?

No information readily available on the net for this.

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[Mailman-Users] Happy...

[David Boothe]

Hope this is not a disallowed post.  I don't post often but i do get a lot of 
good info from all the discussion that goes on.  Wanted to take a minute here 
to wish everyone a safe and happy thanksgiving and upcoming holiday season.
   
   
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I can't 
> find it...


Privacy options...->Spam filters

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Frédéric Mantegazza]

On lundi 12 novembre 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> You can use header_filter_rules to match on content types, e.g.,
>
> ^Content-Type:.*application/msword
>
> but this is only practical for a limited number of anticipated types,
> Also, if you chose to 'reject' matching messages, you have no control
> over the reject message. You can only control the reason if you 'hold'
> the message and then reject it from the admindb interface.

Ok. But where is this header_filter_rules in the web interface? I can't 
find it...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question

[Mark Sapiro]

Jerry Britton wrote:

>Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and  
>running. Have created a test list.


Cool!


>Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list  
>(list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?


You don't create accounts for the list addresses at all. These are
routed to Mailman by the MTA (Postfix in your case?). Exactly how
depends on the MTA. Postfix uses aliases created either manually or
automatically depending on whether Postfix/Mailman integration has
been set up.

See .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question

[Larry Stone]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Jerry Britton wrote:

> Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and
> running. Have created a test list.
>
> Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list
> (list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?
>
> If so, mine didn't. I posted to the list and got a user unknown error.

They're not accounts, they're aliases that pipe the mail to the mailman
wrapper.

With that simple comment, let me go into more detail. But first, while I'm
one of the Mac OS X "experts" here, my experience is all with OS X
"client" and none with OS X Server (yes, it's quite easy to run server
stuff on what is officially just the client version). Running it on
regular OS X involved installing and building from source as what Apple
provides for Mailman is only with OS X Server.

I wrote (and you should be able to find in the archives) a post on
installing Mailman on Tiger client (and earlier Panther client; a Leopard
client version may be coming). It may be useful to you in understanding a
little of what is going on behind the scenes but then, since we know
little about Apple's customizations for OS X Server, it might not.

Apple provides Postfix as the included MTA (with both Server and client).
Mailman "knows" Postfix and when properly configured in mm_cfg.py, creates
the needed aliases automatically. The only other thing is to make sure
Postfix knows about Mailman's alias file. On my system (set up using my
instructions reference above), the Mailman alias file is
$prefix/data/aliases (where $prefix is your Mailman home directory) and
Postfix is told about the existence of this file by an appropriate line in
its main.cf file (in my case, that's /etc/postfix/main.cf). Unfortunately,
since this is OS X Server, that may not be correct for you (but
/etc/postfix is where the postfix stuff is by default on OS X client so
I'd guess it's there for OS X Server as well).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Frédéric Mantegazza wrote:
> 
> Mailman is able to remove some attachments, based on the mime-type. But is 
> it possible to reject messages containing such attachments? This is 
> strange to see an incoming message telling "I attached the file" and see 
> nothing; I would prefer return the message, and tell the user to choose 
> another format (pdf vs doc, for example).


You can use header_filter_rules to match on content types, e.g.,

^Content-Type:.*application/msword

but this is only practical for a limited number of anticipated types,
Also, if you chose to 'reject' matching messages, you have no control
over the reject message. You can only control the reason if you 'hold'
the message and then reject it from the admindb interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Mark Sapiro]

Juan Miscaro wrote:
>
>How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender of
>messages to my announce-only lists?
>
>I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the lists.


See

for suggestions on list setup. The single person can post to the lists
using an Approved: header as discussed in the FAQ article.


>I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
>multiple lists.


You can put the various settings such as default_member_moderation,
member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice in a file to be
input to bin/config_list and run config_list on multiple lists with a
shell script.

See  (mirrored at
) for a withlist
script that can be used to set all current list members to moderated
if you want to do this from the command line.   

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[Mailman-Users] Reject messages with wrong attachment

[Frédéric Mantegazza]

Hello,

Mailman is able to remove some attachments, based on the mime-type. But is 
it possible to reject messages containing such attachments? This is 
strange to see an incoming message telling "I attached the file" and see 
nothing; I would prefer return the message, and tell the user to choose 
another format (pdf vs doc, for example).

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Leopard Server Mailman Config Question

[Jerry Britton]

Have Leopard Server up and running. Have web access to Mailman up and  
running. Have created a test list.

Should the Mailman software create the accounts required for the list  
(list, list-join, list-leave, etc.)?

If so, mine didn't. I posted to the list and got a user unknown error.

On the other hand, if I have to create the mail accounts through  
Workgroup Manager, that seems like a lot of work. Do I need more than  
the above three? What password do you assign? If you leave it null,  
anyone on the Internet could potentially access it. If you set a  
password, then how do you tell Mailman what it is?

The docs have absolutely nothing to say on this subject. And  
www.lists.org says Apple re-engineered the software to work with  
their GUI and moved the code around...and thus it can't be readily  
supported.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

P.S. Despite my sig, I prefer Apple! (usually)

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[Mailman-Users] basic but serious spam question

[Juan Miscaro]

Hi, I have a basic question on how to prevent my lists from being
spammed.

How can I designate a single person in my company to be the sender of
messages to my announce-only lists?

I don't see any reason for this person to be subscribed to the lists.

I would prefer to make such changes on the command line and for
multiple lists.

Thank you very much.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem

[Mark Sapiro]

liste yoneticisi wrote:
>
>When she tries to unsubscribe one of the member from the list,
>(checks the unsub column, and pushes submit your changes button)
>
>the following page occurs.
>"
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
>the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
>"
>
>There is no problem for other lists.
>
>When I checked error log,
>there was some lines about this list such as following.
>
>"
>admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
>/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
>admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
>engelsiz-uni+admin=280200692910384773280030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
>__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
>admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
>http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
>admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
>"
>
>Could you please tell me how can I solve the problem?


Post the entire section of the error log from the time in question. You
have omitted all the information that would help diagnose this
problem. The most important part is the Python traceback.

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[Mailman-Users] Post Server Migration: Changing host_name Insufficient

[Federico Sevilla III]

Hi,

I migrated all my Mailman lists from one server to another by copying
the contents of /var/lib/mailman/archive and /var/lib/mailman/lists.
Mail delivery works okay, and accessing a particular site directly using
http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo/listname works okay, too.

However, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST of the new server is different, and the
original DEFAULT_URL_HOST is being abandoned. Furthermore, even if we
use virtual hosting, all of the mailing lists were created using

# newsite listname

and NOT the alternative

# newsite [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The net effect is that regardless of what host_name is:

1. Going to http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo  does not list any of
the lists there, even when advertised = 1 for the lists.

2. All the links in http://new.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/...
point to http://old.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/... which is
incorrect.

I cannot find a way to tweak this, going through all the variables
dumped by config_list. What can I change so that my lists will now
forget old.host.name and use the new lists.host.name?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Post Server Migration: Changing host_name Insufficient

[Federico Sevilla III]

Hi,

Please ignore my email, below.

I had been searching for the answer before I sent this and could not
find one that worked, but after sending it I finally read about using
"withlist -l -r fix_url listname" in the FAQ and that works.

Sorry for the noise and thank you.

Cheers!

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 18:47 +0800, Federico Sevilla III wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I migrated all my Mailman lists from one server to another by copying
> the contents of /var/lib/mailman/archive and /var/lib/mailman/lists.
> Mail delivery works okay, and accessing a particular site directly using
> http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo/listname works okay, too.
> 
> However, the DEFAULT_URL_HOST of the new server is different, and the
> original DEFAULT_URL_HOST is being abandoned. Furthermore, even if we
> use virtual hosting, all of the mailing lists were created using
> 
> # newsite listname
> 
> and NOT the alternative
> 
> # newsite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The net effect is that regardless of what host_name is:
> 
> 1. Going to http://new.host.name/mailman/listinfo  does not list any of
> the lists there, even when advertised = 1 for the lists.
> 
> 2. All the links in http://new.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/...
> point to http://old.host.name/mailman/admin/listname/... which is
> incorrect.
> 
> I cannot find a way to tweak this, going through all the variables
> dumped by config_list. What can I change so that my lists will now
> forget old.host.name and use the new lists.host.name?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] unsubsription problem

[liste yoneticisi]

Hello;

The owner of one of our lists face with a problem.

When she tries to unsubscribe one of the member from the list,
(checks the unsub column, and pushes submit your changes button)

the following page occurs.
"
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
"

There is no problem for other lists.

When I checked error log,
there was some lines about this list such as following.

"
admin(12323):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   PATH_TRANSLATED:
/cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(12323):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members/list
admin(15609):   HTTP_COOKIE:
engelsiz-uni+admin=280200692910384773280030313065653535393561663537623235393632376361336138383761333066346336316663623635;
__utma=203322125.419203040.1165843329.1165843329.1165843329.1
admin(15609):   PATH_INFO: /engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://mailman.metu.edu.tr/mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /cwis/htdocs/mailman/engelsiz-uni/members
admin(15609):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/engelsiz-uni/members
"

Could you please tell me how can I solve the problem?

regards.


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http://e-liste.bidb.odtu.edu.tr

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