Re: [Mailman-Users] settings in the from field

[Brad Knowles]

On 11/16/07, Mervyn Kahn wrote:

>  How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
>  the following
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; on behalf of; Teamepasella
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>  Can I eliminate the [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from the from ?

You previously asked us this same question on Tue, 21 Aug 2007 
23:31:18 +0200, and I'm pretty sure we pointed you to the answer in 
the FAQ at 
.

Looking at the other messages from you around that time, my 
understanding was that you had understood that answer and perhaps 
corrected the perception by the user regarding this matter.

Is this not correct?  Did we miss something?

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[Mailman-Users] settings in the from field

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mervyn Kahn writes:

 > How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
 > the following
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; on behalf of; Teamepasella
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can't; this is a bug in the user's mail program, probably Outlook.
The most straightforward approach is to tell your users not to use
Outlook.  (I'm joking; you can't really do that, of course.  But it's
the only thing that will work without harming your lists.)

Internet mail has two separate headers, "From" which gives the
author's return address, and "Sender" which indicates the source
account which actually injected the message into the mail system.  You
should reply to "From" if you want to discuss the content of the
message, but to "Sender" if there is a technical question (such as a
change of address).  Very often they are the same, of course,
especially in personal mail.  Most mail programs sensibly show only
the "From" address by default; few users ever need to communicate with
mail administrators on other systems.  Unfortunately, Outlook thinks
it's a good idea to show both if they are different, combining them in
the format "SENDER on behalf of FROM".

Mailman uses this distinction to ensure that "bounces" from
undeliverable addresses (which are very common on mailing lists these
days) are sent to the mailing list administrator, *not* to the author
of the post who usually has no idea who else is or should be
subscribed to the list.

 > Can I eliminate the [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from the from ?

Not without editing the Mailman source code, and suffering from the
lack of competent bounce processing.

For more details, see the FAQ

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

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[Mailman-Users] settings in the from field

[Mervyn Kahn]

Can you please assist.
 
How do or what do I have to do to change the from to have less than all of
the following
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; on behalf of; Teamepasella
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Can I eliminate the [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from the from ?
 
Thank you.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stop all -owner mail

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>As you note, some (most) Mailman generated notices to the
>owners/moderators are sent to the listname-owner address first and
>then resent to the owners/moderators.
>
>They do not all come from mailman-bounces. Some such as held post
>notifications come from listname-bounces, so you'd have to pass that
>sender too.


I think I was confused when I wrote the above. Actually, held post
notifications are sent to listname-owner with a From: header of
listname-owner (not listname-bounces), but the envelope is from
mailman-bounces.

In fact, all owner notices generated using the
Message.OwnerNotification() class will have an envelope from the site
list -bounces address.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] email notifications verbosity [was: Stop all -owner mail]

[Mark Sapiro]

Gadi Evron wrote:
>
>What would really help me is some verbosity, such as difference in 
>subject lines between administrative notes and spam sent to -bounces.


The spam is forwarded to you as an unrecognized bounce, i.e. a message
that was sent to listname-bounces and which we do not recognize as
some kind of delivery status notification. This implies that since we
can't recognize it as a DSN, we can't determine whether it is a DSN or
spam. The best we could do I think is append the original message
subject to the "Unrecognized bounce" subject, e.g.

Subject: Unrecognized bounce - Unable to deliver your message
Subject: Unrecognized bounce - Rolex for sale cheap


>Also, if a user gets unsubscribed, did they do it? Were they bouncing?
>
>How, if possible, do I set that?


These are legitimate feature requests. You can add this to the tracker
at , but the
best way to get any feature into the base Mailman code is to implement
it yourself following Mailman and Python coding standards and submit
it as a patch. If you are interested in this, see
 and
 as starting points.

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[Mailman-Users] email notifications verbosity [was: Stop all -owner mail]

[Gadi Evron]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Nate Rudd wrote:
>
>> As, I forgot that I would like the e-mails from the Mailman system to
>> still reach me, would there be anything I am missing if I set a rule
>> in my e-mail program that says:
>>
>> Any mail not from "mailman-bounces" to "*-owner" -> Delete or Mark as
>> Junk
>
>
> As you note, some (most) Mailman generated notices to the
> owners/moderators are sent to the listname-owner address first and
> then resent to the owners/moderators.
>
> They do not all come from mailman-bounces. Some such as held post
> notifications come from listname-bounces, so you'd have to pass that
> sender too.

What would really help me is some verbosity, such as difference in 
subject lines between administrative notes and spam sent to -bounces.

Also, if a user gets unsubscribed, did they do it? Were they bouncing?

How, if possible, do I set that?

Gadi.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Kabot wrote:
>
>Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, prevent
>bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce messages go
>the list owner?


You do this in the MTA. If the MTA has an alias like:

listname-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman bounces listname"

You change it to

listname-bounces: "|/path/to/mail/mailman owner listname"

If the MTA uses some other kind of routing for Mailman, you do the
equivalent thing.

Note that bounces from RFC compliant MTAs will always be returned to
the listname-bounces address (the envelope sender). That address is
also put in Sender: and Errors-To: headers in the outgoing mail to
help non-compliant MTAs get it right. Still, there are non-compliant
MTAs that will return bounces to the From: or other header address.
There's nothing Mailman can do about that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question

[Michael Kabot]

Mark,

Thanks!  Surprise, right there but I didn't see it.

Is there anyway to turn the bounce processing score feature off, prevent
bounces from going back to list members, but still have bounce messages go
the list owner?

Mike

| -Original Message-
| From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:03 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman-Users@python.org
| Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Basic bounce processing question
| 
| Michael Kabot wrote:
| >
| >If you turn bounce processing OFF on a mailman list - where do bounce
| >messages go?  Back to the sender, to the moderator, both, neither?
| 
| 
| If bounce processing is off for a list, mail to the list-bounces
| address is not processed at all. It is completely ignored.
| 
| The 'Details for bounce_processing' link puts it this way "By setting
| this value to No, you disable all automatic bounce processing for this
| list, however bounce messages will still be discarded so that the list
| administrator isn't inundated with them."
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