Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/9/07, Cyndi Norwitz wrote: Is there a way *I* can without the ISP doing anything? Yes. Set up your spam filters under Privacy options... then Spam filters. There is nothing called spam filters in privacy options. Then your ISP has installed a pretty non-standard version of Mailman. The standard version has this feature. Again, you need to talk to your ISP. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/9/07, Cyndi Norwitz wrote: But this isn't useful to me. Oh, I'm sure some of the really bad spam would go away, but this is a health list and so there are *a lot* of false positives because we mention a lot of spam-like keywords. So I'd have to set the spam level pretty high. It depends on how your ISP runs SpamAssassin. It is possible to run it in a manner where the user has full control over what rules and what scores will be applied to their mail, and when you train SpamAssassin by feeding it examples of spam that has gotten through or ham that has accidentally been mis-identified, these rules and scores will be updated as necessary. I've been seriously fighting spam for about twelve years (as the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator for AOL, I wrote some of the earliest comprehensive anti-spam measures for sendmail, which I then re-published to the community), and I've spoken on this subject at conferences, I've been a member of the IETF/IRTF Anti-Spam Research Group, and was the head of the Best Current Practices sub-group. I can tell you, with some authority, that the only effective way to run SpamAssassin is to do so using these per-user methods. And that if you (the ISP) do actually run it in this way, you really can quite effectively catch or identify most spam, even in environments where you would otherwise tend to generate excessive false positive matches. Of course, that doesn't mean that your ISP is actually going to do any of these things. Here's what I want: Subscribers who are unmoderated to be whitelisted. Non-subscribers who I have set to auto-accept to be whitelisted. That doesn't work, either. Spammers troll the archives of mailing lists to find addresses they can use -- to spam those mailing lists, among others. You can't just auto-whitelist all addresses in certain classes. Potential spam from the moderated box to be sent to my graymail (my ISP's name (or maybe a common name, I don't know) for suspected spam--they send an email each night with the from and subject headers). No, that's not a common name. I've been in this business for nearly twenty years, and in all that time, I have never heard this particular term used in this manner. More common terms are folders with names like quarantine or probable spam. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/10/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: There are alternatives such as SpamBayes which may be easier to integrate. Everything is being done by her ISP, so I don't know that it's useful to discuss alternative solutions. Either way, she's got to live with whatever they give her, at least up until the point she reconsiders whether or not she's going to move at least her mailing list services to a different provider that might be more responsive. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/9/07, Cyndi Norwitz wrote: False positive means it's legit mail that is in my spam folder. Using my ISP's defaults. Sounds like you need to talk to your ISP about how those defaults can be changed to be something more suitable for you. Anything in moderation for MM must be clicked on. Not true. At least, not entirely true. If there's anything you want to allow through, then yes -- those have to be clicked on. Everything else could be left in the default Defer mode, and then you simply click the check box at the top or bottom of the page which says Discard all mail marked 'Defer', then hit the Submit Your Changes button. One at a time. 3 clicks per sender (which means per spam most of the time) if I want to set the address to auto-discard and ban the spammer from joining the list, in addition to simply discarding the email. See above. All the stuff you want thrown away should be able to be thrown away with just one and only one click. You should only have to click on anything else if you want to reject it, allow it through, or take some other less typical action. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/10/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mailman sends a summary every morning with the From: and Subject: of the held posts waiting moderator action. Where is this option? I don't currently get these, but I'd like to... -- Best regards, Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
Charles Marcus wrote: On 12/10/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mailman sends a summary every morning with the From: and Subject: of the held posts waiting moderator action. Where is this option? I don't currently get these, but I'd like to... There is no option for this per se. The option (admin_immed_notify) is to get or not get the per message notices. The daily summary is produced by cron/checkdbs which should run daily at 8:00 a.m. if you have the default Mailman crontab installed. If you aren't getting the summary, either cron isn't running checkdbs or you are so diligent at dealing with held messages that there never are any outstanding when checkdbs runs. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest question
Paul Key wrote: I know senddigest is entered in cron but should other lists want digest ability they may want different times dates. Do I need multiple cron entries for senddigest? Is senddigest configurable? Can I pass in command line parameters telling senddigest which lists to send digests for? Yes. cron/senddigests -l listname What it doesn't have is an exclude listname option so it would be easy enough to add a crontab entry to send digests for this list at 8:15 and 13:15 M-F, but not sending digests to this list at the regular times is trickier. Of course, if you made the regular times say 13:15 M-F, then you could just add the 8:15 M-F entry for this list, but if you wanted to keep sending to other lists at daily at noon, you'd need something along the lines of: #!/bin/bash cd ~mailman for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` do if [[ $list != special-list ]] then cron/senddigests -l $list fi done to be run at the normal time. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman never replies to e-mail
Sjors Gielen wrote: I've just tried sending myself an e-mail again, and it is delivered to Mailman, but I now don't even see an error message appear in the errorlog, it doesn't even *try* to send a reply. Also, I have Postgrey installed with Postfix, so that might be why the message couldn't be sent. However, since Postfix then sends a 4xx reply, shouldn't Mailman retry sending after ten minutes or so? End original message. - I see you are posting from a Gmail account. I will lay 100% odds that this is the problem. Gmail has a really unhelpful feature of hiding messages it receives that have the same message ID as one sent from your Gmail account. Now if somebody else were to post a reply to the list to that message, Gmail will magically display that message in the thread. This is a well known issue here on this list and I know a number of Gmail users have complained about it but Google apparently has no intention of fixing it (last I heard). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails
On 12/10/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you aren't getting the summary, either cron isn't running checkdbs or you are so diligent at dealing with held messages that there never are any outstanding when checkdbs runs. Duh... ok, there is no daily cron job for it (I had someone help me get this server set up a long time ago before I was comfortable doing stuff like this myself, and guess he forgot to do this)... Mailman is in the cron group, so according to the Gentoo docs (thats what I'm using), a simple: cd /usr/local/mailman/cron crontab -u mailman crontab.in should do it? Thanks again! -- Best regards, Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] listinfo_url and optionsurl alternatives?
The subscribeack.txt template file uses two variables that I would like to change: 1) %(listinfo_url)s produces the following URL: http://hostname/mailman/listinfo/listname where hostname is the generic host name for the mail server. 2) %(optionsurl)s produces a similar URL with the same generic hostname: http://hostname/mailman/options/listname/username%40domain Instead, I would like Mailman to use the custom host name this list prefers for email as entered in the General Options page of the Administration web page. What variables would I use to do this? I looked through the Whole Mailman FAQ, and have been searching through the archives for this list, but I have not found anything that seems relevant. I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on Mac OS X Server 10.4.10. Thanks, - Mike -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] listinfo_url and optionsurl alternatives?
Michael Grueter wrote: The subscribeack.txt template file uses two variables that I would like to change: 1) %(listinfo_url)s produces the following URL: http://hostname/mailman/listinfo/listname where hostname is the generic host name for the mail server. 2) %(optionsurl)s produces a similar URL with the same generic hostname: http://hostname/mailman/options/listname/username%40domain Instead, I would like Mailman to use the custom host name this list prefers for email as entered in the General Options page of the Administration web page. What variables would I use to do this? %(host_name)s is exactly that. If you want to make a url, you would need something like http://%(host_name)s/mailman/listinfo/listname or http://%(host_name)s/mailman/options/listname/%(user)s although if that's what you're trying to do, your Mailman and/or your list is not properly configured. If you have the appropriate add_virtualhost() directives in mm_cfg.py for this host and you have run fix_url if necessary to give the list the correct web_page_url attribute, you should get the URL's you want from the default template. See some of the articles returned by http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=web_page_urlquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not as attachments
We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. This must be a common requirement however I can't find anything in the FAQ and all I can find in the archives is this with no answer: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg24118.html I always get a quick reply to these queries often simply pointing to me to a FAQ I have missed, I think it may be different this time! Thanks David -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
David Beaumont wrote: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
On 12/10/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. Don't forget FAQ 4.39 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp, which addresses the problems of HTML-formatted messages and what happens to them when you start stripping or flattening content, or adding footers, etc -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Non-member post confirmation
Hello, I was reading a thread from 2003 with just this subject line. However, I don't see the feature implemented. Was it not done? Mikael -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-member post confirmation
Mikael Hansen wrote: I was reading a thread from 2003 with just this subject line. However, I don't see the feature implemented. Was it not done? Right. It hasn't been done. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
yes thanks that is one FAQ I had read, with a slight amount of horror. The first suggestion is surely much too cumbersome for regular use, I take it the 'Voila' is ironic. The second suggestion I could live with except that I don't have server shell access and anyway it would not fix our particular problem. thanks David -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2007 01:50 To: David Beaumont; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments David Beaumont wrote: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote: Thanks but I don't think that is relevant as the original messages are in plain text format, I have checked. Your description of: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. Sounds exactly like the problem I was referring to. And this doesn't have anything to do with text versus HTML formatting, it has to do with MIME formatting and things like what you perceive to be an attachment. This is explained in some detail within the FAQ entry I referenced. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Phantom Moderator Requests
Hi All, We have a mailman install which keeps sending phantom moderator requests, when we login to the admin interface there are no messages awaiting moderation. Can anyone tell me where the reminder script is seeing these messages and why the admin interface isn't seeing them? Cheers! David -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Phantom Moderator Requests
David Hooton wrote: We have a mailman install which keeps sending phantom moderator requests, when we login to the admin interface there are no messages awaiting moderation. Can anyone tell me where the reminder script is seeing these messages and why the admin interface isn't seeing them? You have a crontab from an old/test/replaced/?? Mailman install that has a list somewhere with outstanding requests. Check your crontabs. Also try (as root) find / -name config.pck -print -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
