[Mailman-Users] PHP Script for search archive

2007-12-11 Thread Hermes PHP 
Hi,

 

Does anyone know of any script in PHP that look inside archives of the list?

 

The archives of the list are private.

 

 

Solution in phyton or perl not serve to me, has to be in PHP

 

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunting & unknown encoding question

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>Look at the message (bin/show_qfiles
>qfiles/shunt/1197373305.4631159+54681260563e1d1577b352329843c2fa738ba81.pck).
>
>I think you will see an RFC 2047 encoded Subject: header. I.e.
>something like
>
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?this=20is=20some=20text?=
>
>except the characterset instead of being like the "iso-8859-1" in this
>case, will literally be "unknown".


I am unable to duplicate this error in current Mailman with a simple
test. Please send me the full headers from the output from
bin/show_qfiles as above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Technical question

2007-12-11 Thread Jason Bell 
Thank you for your assistance folks. :)

Happy Holidays!
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> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:21:14 -0800
> To: Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mailman mailing list
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> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Technical question
> 
> Dragon wrote:
> 
>> Jason Bell wrote:
>>> The Mailman lists that I have setup send messages to my membership with the
>>> words "-bounces" added to the listserv e-mail address. Is there a way to
>>> modify "-bounces" to something else like "-members"?
>>> 
>>> Please advise.
>>  End original message. -
>> 
>> The lists are set up that way to allow for bounced messages to be
>> sent back to Mailman for proper processing and not to the original
>> sender (poster) of the message. I suppose you could change the MTA
>> alias used to members instead of bounces but that would really serve
>> no useful purpose and would obscure the fact that the address is used
>> as bounce processing address.
>> 
>> However, it may not be as simple as just changing an alias depending
>> on what MTA you are using and how Mailman is set up.
>> 
>> I'd really suggest just leaving it alone.
> 
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> Also see
> .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives not showing complete email message

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Paul Key wrote:
>
>I am also getting the following where the body of an email should be in 
>the list archives:
>
>Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
>--
>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>Name: not available
>Type: image/jpeg
>Size: 4631 bytes
>Desc: not available
>Url : 
>http:///mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg
> 
>
>The URL actually works and links to a small corporate JPEG conatined in 
>the email.
>
>I have seen the thread "Mailman and UTF8" in the mailman-users archive 
>but couldn't fathom an answer and not sure about applying the patch.
>
>Is there anyway of getting list messages such as this to appear readable 
>in the list archives?


This may be a bug, or it may be a defective message. In any case, I
would like to see the message.

Please do the following:

Look at the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and find
the message. Copy the entire message from the .mbox file. If you wish
to elid the actual body parts except for a line or two, that's OK, but
keep all message headers and boundaries and sub-part headers intact.

Then either post that raw message text here or send it to me off list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman HTML text format

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Hung Phan wrote:
>
>Mailman default setting is to converted all HTML to plain text;  
>however, our users would like to send out messages with text format.  
>We changed the Content Filtering settings to:
>Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic: Yes
>Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type:  
>multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, text/plain, html


That should be text/html, not just html. Also, you probably want to set
collapse_alternatives to No

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Technical question

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Dragon wrote:

>Jason Bell wrote:
>>The Mailman lists that I have setup send messages to my membership with the
>>words "-bounces" added to the listserv e-mail address. Is there a way to
>>modify "-bounces" to something else like "-members"?
>>
>>Please advise.
> End original message. -
>
>The lists are set up that way to allow for bounced messages to be 
>sent back to Mailman for proper processing and not to the original 
>sender (poster) of the message. I suppose you could change the MTA 
>alias used to members instead of bounces but that would really serve 
>no useful purpose and would obscure the fact that the address is used 
>as bounce processing address.
>
>However, it may not be as simple as just changing an alias depending 
>on what MTA you are using and how Mailman is set up.
>
>I'd really suggest just leaving it alone.


Also see
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman HTML text format

2007-12-11 Thread Hung Phan 
Hi,

Mailman default setting is to converted all HTML to plain text;  
however, our users would like to send out messages with text format.  
We changed the Content Filtering settings to:
Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic: Yes
Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type:  
multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative, text/plain, html
Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text: No

The list still removes the text format even with these settings. Am I  
missing a setting?

Thank you,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shunting & unknown encoding question

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Paul Key wrote:
>
>I have had an email shunted and am not sure why - any ideas why the encoding 
>is unknown?
>
>Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: 
>unknown
>Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
>self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
>keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
> _dispose
>more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
> _dopipeline
>sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in 
> process
>prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in 
> prefix_subject
>h.append(s, c)
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append
>s = s.encode(outcodec, errors)
>LookupError: unknown encoding: unknown
>
>Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) SHUNTING: 
>1197373305.4631159+54681260563e1d1577b352329843c2fa738ba81

Look at the message (bin/show_qfiles
qfiles/shunt/1197373305.4631159+54681260563e1d1577b352329843c2fa738ba81.pck).

I think you will see an RFC 2047 encoded Subject: header. I.e.
something like

 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?this=20is=20some=20text?=

except the characterset instead of being like the "iso-8859-1" in this
case, will literally be "unknown".

Some MUAs will create such an encoding with character set "unknown" or
"unknown-8bit" when the subject contains 8bit characters and the MUA
doesn't have a context to know what the character set is.

If this is a recent Mailman, about a dozen lines into the definition of
process() in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py you will see

if not msgdata.get('isdigest') and not fasttrack:
try:
prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
except (UnicodeError, ValueError):
# TK: Sometimes subject header is not MIME encoded for 8bit
# simply abort prefixing.
pass

If you change the 'except' to

except (UnicodeError, ValueError, LookupError):

and restart Mailman, you can unshunt the message and it will be
processed without prefixing the subject.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Technical question

2007-12-11 Thread Dragon 
Jason Bell wrote:
>The Mailman lists that I have setup send messages to my membership with the
>words "-bounces" added to the listserv e-mail address. Is there a way to
>modify "-bounces" to something else like "-members"?
>
>Please advise.
 End original message. -

The lists are set up that way to allow for bounced messages to be 
sent back to Mailman for proper processing and not to the original 
sender (poster) of the message. I suppose you could change the MTA 
alias used to members instead of bounces but that would really serve 
no useful purpose and would obscure the fact that the address is used 
as bounce processing address.

However, it may not be as simple as just changing an alias depending 
on what MTA you are using and how Mailman is set up.

I'd really suggest just leaving it alone.



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[Mailman-Users] Technical question

2007-12-11 Thread Jason Bell 
The Mailman lists that I have setup send messages to my membership with the
words "-bounces" added to the listserv e-mail address. Is there a way to
modify "-bounces" to something else like "-members"?

Please advise.

Thank you
Jason  Bell
Funnel Communications Inc.
296 Jarvis Street Unit 7
Toronto ON M5B 2C5
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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
David Beaumont wrote:

>I'm getting confused.  To clarify, in Mailman 2.1.8 content filtering terms:
>we are 'filtering the content' , 
>we are not 'removing message attachments that have a matching content type' 
>we are 'removing message attachments that don't match multipart/mixed,
>multipart/alternative or text/plain', 
>we are removing message attachments that match exe, bat, cmd,
>com,pif,scr,vbs,cpl ', 
>we are 'collapsing multipart/alternative to its first part content', 
>we are converting text/html parts to plain text.  



We're all getting a bit confused.  First of all, Bard's referring to
multipart mime is correct and is really the crux of the issue, but FAQ
4.39 isn't really helpful in this case.

What is happening is there are two ways to get at the original message
short of accessing it directly on the server. The first is if
admin_immed_notify is Yes, the message is included in the notice to
the admin. The second is to 'forward' the message from the web admindb
interface.

In the first of these cases, the original message is an 'attachment'
(i.e. a MIME message/rfc822 part) to the message sent/received. A
'forwarded' message is a bit trickier. Concentrating on that for a
moment, the message contains the original message as a message/rfc822
body type. This is done to preserve the headers of the original
message.

In other words, the original message is forwarded something like an
attachment, but there is only one 'attached' part and it is the
message/rfc822 original message.

Thus, you can simply forward the message from the admindb interface to
another list, but the receiving list must accept content of type
message/rfc822

So you can add 'message/rfc822' to pass_mime_types.

Then your issue is when you forward the post to list_2, it will be from
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' instead of the original sender, and it
will have subject "Forward of moderated message" instead of the
original subject so this really isn't a satisfactory option. What you
really want is the ability to 'bounce' or 'resend' the message from
the admindb interface to anothe address, but this ability doesn't
exist.

So then the alternative is to forward the message to yourself, or just
use the original held message notice if you got one, open that message
with a sufficiently mime capable MUA (mail user agent, aka mail
client), select the part which is the original message and resend that
to list_2. With an MUA such as Mutt for example, this is fairly easy.
With Outlook, it may be impossible.


One final note. With your content filtering settings, converting HTML
to plain text won't happen. If you want to accept an HTML only message
and convert it to plain text, you have to add text/html to
pass_mime_types.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread David Beaumont 
I'm getting confused.  To clarify, in Mailman 2.1.8 content filtering terms:
we are 'filtering the content' , 
we are not 'removing message attachments that have a matching content type' 
we are 'removing message attachments that don't match multipart/mixed,
multipart/alternative or text/plain', 
we are removing message attachments that match exe, bat, cmd,
com,pif,scr,vbs,cpl ', 
we are 'collapsing multipart/alternative to its first part content', 
we are converting text/html parts to plain text.  

is that solution 2?  By the way I still don't know how to configure solution
1.  

thanks for your time

David

> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 11 December 2007 14:29
> To: David Beaumont; 'Brad Knowles'; 'Mark Sapiro'; 
> mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one 
> list to another not asattachments
> 
> On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote:
> 
> >  I should have added that not only are the original messages plain 
> > text but  the list is configured to convert text/html parts 
> to plain text.
> 
> Plain text or not for the main message body, you may still 
> have other bodyparts that are in other MIME formats, and you 
> could potentially be stripping them, or you could allow them 
> through.  If you do allow them through, then adding footers 
> to your outgoing messages may cause your "plain text" format 
> message to get encapsulated into a MIME multi-part/related 
> type, which may be displayed in your MUA in a manner that is 
> not palatable.
> 
> >
> > Isn't this  proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ  
> > 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.0
> 39.htp ? 
> > It  doesn't work for us.
> 
> Are you sure you're stripping all possible MIME bodypart 
> types that might be interfering with the mail, and not just 
> converting only the text/html parts into plain text and 
> leaving the rest alone?
> 
> >  Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' 
> > referred to  in solution 3?  Maybe I could try those as 
> well.  We are 
> > already trying  solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly.
> 
> An MUA is a Mail User Agent.  In your case, the X-Mailer: 
> header in your message says that you're using "Microsoft 
> Office Outlook 11" as your MUA.  In my case, my MUA is 
> Eudora.  There are plenty of other options available.
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[Mailman-Users] Archives not showing complete email message

2007-12-11 Thread Paul Key 
Hi

I am also getting the following where the body of an email should be in 
the list archives:

Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-- next part 
--
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 4631 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : 
http:///mailman/private/sgul-students/attachments/20071210/bb270a69/attachment.jpg
 


The URL actually works and links to a small corporate JPEG conatined in 
the email.

I have seen the thread "Mailman and UTF8" in the mailman-users archive 
but couldn't fathom an answer and not sure about applying the patch.

Is there anyway of getting list messages such as this to appear readable 
in the list archives?

Thanks

paul

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Emails

2007-12-11 Thread Brad Knowles 
On 12/11/07, Cyndi Norwitz wrote:

>  Now that my main lists were migrated to Mailman today, I discovered that
>  notifications of bounces are being sent to my catch-all mailbox.  For some
>  reason, MM makes up a To: address.
>
>  Here's an example:
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

No, Mailman is not making up this address as a "To:" address.  This 
is an address format known as VERP (search the FAQ Wizard), and this 
is used as the envelope sender address for when you're sending out 
messages from the mailing list known as "immune" to the recipient 
address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  What appears to be happening is 
that this recipient address is bouncing, thus causing a bounce 
(a.k.a., "non-delivery notice", or NDN) to be sent back to this VERP 
sender address.

If your MTA understands the VERP format correctly, it should be 
passing back everything with an address of 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" back to your 
Mailman installation, where the standard Mailman bounce handling 
mechanism should take care of this problem.

>  Obviously, I can't make email filters for every single one of my
>  subscribers.  But I'd like to see the bounce messages.

Generally speaking, you should let Mailman handle the bounces 
messages automatically.

>  Is there a way to get MM to simply send the bounces to an address I
>  specify, or just to the list-owner which is specified elsewhere?

That's an option you can take, if you decide to omit all the other 
standard aliases that need to be created for Mailman.  You could just 
have all that traffic come back to you directly.


However, your bigger problem is that your ISP needs to configure 
their MTA (postfix, sendmail, whatever) to properly understand VERP 
format so that you have the possibility of having these bounces sent 
back to wherever you want.  Until the MTA is configured properly, and 
the aliases are set up properly, there's nothing else you can do.

It all comes down to your ISP understanding how to operate and manage 
Mailman correctly, as well as understanding how to operate and manage 
all the related parts of an e-mail system.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread Brad Knowles 
On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote:

>  I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but
>  the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text.

Plain text or not for the main message body, you may still have other 
bodyparts that are in other MIME formats, and you could potentially 
be stripping them, or you could allow them through.  If you do allow 
them through, then adding footers to your outgoing messages may cause 
your "plain text" format message to get encapsulated into a MIME 
multi-part/related type, which may be displayed in your MUA in a 
manner that is not palatable.

>Isn't this
>  proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ
>  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp ? It
>  doesn't work for us.

Are you sure you're stripping all possible MIME bodypart types that 
might be interfering with the mail, and not just converting only the 
text/html parts into plain text and leaving the rest alone?

>  Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to
>  in solution 3?  Maybe I could try those as well.  We are already trying
>  solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly.

An MUA is a Mail User Agent.  In your case, the X-Mailer: header in 
your message says that you're using "Microsoft Office Outlook 11" as 
your MUA.  In my case, my MUA is Eudora.  There are plenty of other 
options available.

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[Mailman-Users] Shunting & unknown encoding question

2007-12-11 Thread Paul Key 
MM 2.1.3
Solaris 9

I have had an email shunted and am not sure why - any ideas why the encoding is 
unknown?

Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding: 
unknown
Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 110, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 160, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in 
_dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in 
_dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 75, in process
prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in 
prefix_subject
h.append(s, c)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in append
s = s.encode(outcodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: unknown

Dec 11 11:43:42 2007 (24788) SHUNTING: 
1197373305.4631159+54681260563e1d1577b352329843c2fa738ba81


Thanks

Paul

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Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments

2007-12-11 Thread David Beaumont 
I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but
the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text. Isn't this
proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp ? It
doesn't work for us. 

Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to
in solution 3?  Maybe I could try those as well.  We are already trying
solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly.

Thanks

David
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Knowles 
...
> Your description of:
> 
>   We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another
>   more appropriate list.  However they always arrive munged up,
>   losing the originators email address and with the text as an
>   attachment.  I.e. looking pretty crap.
> 
> Sounds exactly like the problem I was referring to.
> 
> And this doesn't have anything to do with text versus HTML 
> formatting, it has to do with MIME formatting and things like 
> what you perceive to be an "attachment".  This is explained 
> in some detail within the FAQ entry I referenced.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Bounce Processing Emails

2007-12-11 Thread Cyndi Norwitz 
Because of excessive spam, I've done what so many of us have had to do, I
set the catch-all on my domain name not to go to my inbox.  I have a few
dozen legit usernames set to come to me.  Because some non-spam slips
through, I send the leftover usernames to another mailbox I read
irregularly (the spam assasin program catches about 3000 spams a day to
that mailbox, leaving me with a handful a week to sort through).

Now that my main lists were migrated to Mailman today, I discovered that
notifications of bounces are being sent to my catch-all mailbox.  For some
reason, MM makes up a To: address.

Here's an example:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The email address of the subscriber whose email bounced is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

My domain name is immuneweb.org and the name of the list is immune.

Obviously, I can't make email filters for every single one of my
subscribers.  But I'd like to see the bounce messages.

Is there a way to get MM to simply send the bounces to an address I
specify, or just to the list-owner which is specified elsewhere?

Thanks,
Cyndi

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