Re: [Mailman-Users] running External Archiver on background/foreground
Mark Sapiro wrote: Mohamed CHAARI wrote: As I really need to keep possibility to have both MM archiving and external one, I've made a small patch on Mailman, so that it accepts both internal archiving (pipermail) and external archiving (if enabled). In this way, there is no longer need to call 'arch' in 'external_arch.pl' script, and thus, this script doesn't need to be run in background. But I would like to have your opinion (Mark and others), about this patch: - is there any side effect ? - can there be problems (or conflicts) when receiving and archiving many mails ? here's the patch (on 'Archiver.py'): --- /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.orig.py2008-01-11 19:40:44.0 +0100 +++ /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py2008-01-11 19:44:54.0 +0100 @@ -201,20 +201,22 @@ # Archive to mbox only. return txt = str(msg) -# should we use the internal or external archiver? + +# keep using the internal archiver +f = StringIO(txt) +import HyperArch +h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self) +h.processUnixMailbox(f) +h.close() +f.close() + +# now, use the external archiver (if enabled) private_p = self.archive_private if mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and not private_p: self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) elif mm_cfg.PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and private_p: self.ExternalArchive(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, txt) -else: -# use the internal archiver -f = StringIO(txt) -import HyperArch -h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self) -h.processUnixMailbox(f) -h.close() -f.close() + # # called from MailList.MailList.Save() The above patch looks fine to me for what you want to do. what about the Archiver.pyc file ? do you think it is necessary to re-compile and re-install the whole soft ? or simply apply the patch on Archiver.py to make it working ? thank you -- --- --Mohamed CHAARI (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] running External Archiver on background/foreground
Mohamed CHAARI wrote: what about the Archiver.pyc file ? do you think it is necessary to re-compile and re-install the whole soft ? or simply apply the patch on Archiver.py to make it working ? End original message. - Python is (usually) smart enough to figure out if the source file has been updated and the .pyc file is stale. In most cases you don't have to do anything to make it work after editing the .py file. If you are really concerned about it, just delete the .pyc file and it will be generated anew when Python next executes the .py file. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] List regularly displays junk
Hi All-- This is for a list I don't run, but am a member of. Regularly, people post documents in some other encoding, and they get posted to the list as garbage. Message source shows: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by chak-chak.pauahtun.net id m0HF0UZX032101 Status: O I don't think these are HTML messages that people are posting, just differently encoded (it's an international list). I'd like to give the list-owners some advice (and I do think they'll be amenable, providing it's good advice;-) ). So what are the best settings to tell them to use? Metta, Ivan -- Ivan Van Laningham God N Locomotive Works http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.python.org/workshops/1998-11/proceedings/papers/laningham/laningham.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list_members output with fullname option
Hi Fletch, I just did this yesterday. I found that the / was not needed. The command should look like this: bin/list_members -f ListName - Mike On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Fletch Bowling wrote: I am trying to get a file output with list members and getting the file with just the email names is no problem and works fine. But the docs say there is a / -f option to get the full names in the output. This causes list_members to simply crash and output the standard help file. Any fix for this? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list_members output with fullname option
Michael Grueter wrote: Thanks Michael, I just stumbled on to it myself along with the fact that the -o needs to be behind the -f like this: ./list_members -f -o filename listname Wonder why the manual states to use / if it makes the script crash? Regardless I am good to go now..thank you. Fletch Hi Fletch, I just did this yesterday. I found that the / was not needed. The command should look like this: bin/list_members -f ListName - Mike On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Fletch Bowling wrote: I am trying to get a file output with list members and getting the file with just the email names is no problem and works fine. But the docs say there is a / -f option to get the full names in the output. This causes list_members to simply crash and output the standard help file. Any fix for this? = -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] list_members output with fullname option
Hello, I am trying to get a file output with list members and getting the file with just the email names is no problem and works fine. But the docs say there is a / -f option to get the full names in the output. This causes list_members to simply crash and output the standard help file. Any fix for this? Thanks, Fletch -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Howto find Users for a list?
I need to create a list of users for a particular list. is there a way I can find out who is subscribed to a list in mailman? Thanks, Chris... -- Sourthern Regional Climate Center Louisiana State University Howe-Russell Geoscience Complex Office E330 Office:225.590.5847 Cell:949.300.3094 A Mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems. -Erdös, Paul Nov. 1992 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...
Sean Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've searched around and the following thread is the closest to what I need, but I am having trouble getting it to work: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-November/023712.html I need to setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], both of which are running as virtual domains... I'm running debian and postfix. In /var/lib/mailman/data directory, I end up with two files: aliases virtual-mailman In the aliases file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this: # STANZA START: board # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008 board: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board board-admin: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin board board-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board ... And the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this: # STANZA START: hrca_board # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008 hrca_board: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hrca_board hrca_board-admin: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin hrca_board hrca_board-bounces: |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces hrca_board ... In the virtual mailman file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks likes this: # STANZA START: board # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] board [EMAIL PROTECTED] board-admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] board-bounces ... # STANZA START: hrca_board # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board-admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board-bounces ... From the instructions in the thread I found, I thought I should just modify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the virtual mailman file (and all the other ones like -admin, etc.), but that doesn't seem to do it... Also, if I run genaliases, then everything changes back to the original state anyway. Am I missing something??? As additional info, I have postfix set up with: virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/db/virtual, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases Thanks for any info or ideas anyone can provide. If the aliases file has # STANZA START: hrca_board # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board ... when you really want # STANZA START: board then I think that the string hrca_board must be in the list configuration file somewhere, and that is why you are getting that string as the list name. As you wrote, changing the aliases file works, but the changes can be redone by Mailman. Then, as I was typing this reply I noticed that if this list were named board, then you would have two lists with the same name. Even if the names are in different virtual domains, you cannot have two lists with the same name in Mailman 2.1.9. I am not sure if this restriction will be removed in 2.1.10. So, one list will have to remain hrca_board if the other list is named board. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Change -owner addresses
Hi all. I have just upgraded my system to MM 2.1.9 and wonder if it is possible to change the -owner-addresses to something else? The reason is that we receive a lot of spam after 3 years use. We already have spam-filters. Thanks in advance -- __ Joakim Nömell Tel : 070 771 31 00 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix engineer Web : http://nomell.se -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
Does one really need root privileges to install mailman? Surely I could install mailman on my web shared hosting plan without root. (As the version of mailman Dreamhost provides gives the administrator only access to the web interface, and not the shell scripts -- drives one nuts trying to debug.) I'll just use --with-username=$USER --with-groupname=`id -g` ... --with-cgi-ext=.cgi etc. and then use my .procmailrc to redirect what comes to the extra mailboxes my hosting plan allows me to make... And for sending mail I can use /usr/sbin/sendmail -i -f ... Is the above neglecting a fundamental principle? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1867285group_id=103atid=100103 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailman Constipation
I have a recurring problem with my mailman server. It keeps getting constipated. E-mails will pile up, un-served. Stopping and re-starting mailman clear out the que. When I stop and start it, I get the following messages. # bin/mailmanctl stop Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner No child with pid: 1711 [Errno 3] No such process Stale pid file removed. # bin/mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Can anybody offer me any insight as to what might be causing this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:32 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 47, Issue 33 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users@python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest... -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] English the best language
It is my understanding that on the administrator panels, picking a site language other than English means more than perhaps some stale message stings. It is more like one is imperiling their site to a half blended years old version of the entire software. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1861600group_id=103atid=100103 So my question is is this a common strategy: though I could pick language X from the administrator panel like I want, I still choose English there, but leave X installed for users to still choose, if they so dare or don't know better. And how much damage would that cause if they did choose X, assuming I made sure listinfo.html subscribe.html options.html subscribeack.txt, i.e., the only pages in language X I can edit on Dreamhost, had all the missing buttons etc. added back by me. Or maybe I should not allow them to choose X at all. Hope they can read English. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mass subscribe one per line, names too?
Gentlemen, the administrator's mass subscriptions entry box does not mention how to get their English names added too. Does one put them in like: Ted Blazanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neurdovitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also say I have chosen site language = English. May I still enter Chinese UTF names or expect disaster? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Howto find Users for a list?
Hi Chris, Check the Mailman FAQ for a couple ways to do what you want: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.62 - Mike On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Chris Penn wrote: I need to create a list of users for a particular list. is there a way I can find out who is subscribed to a list in mailman? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] great. no gmane
I find it only natural to read mailing lists via NNTP/gnus/Gmane.org. I can't imagine reading mailman-users via my little mailbox. However we *denied* gmane: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/11433 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=gmanel=mailman-users%40python.org And http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users does not list an alternative to http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ OK, I will read via http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ (i.e., use own company products, taste own medicine) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] List regularly displays junk
Ivan Van Laningham wrote: Regularly, people post documents in some other encoding, and they get posted to the list as garbage. Message source shows: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by chak-chak.pauahtun.net id m0HF0UZX032101 This header was added by an MTA at chak-chak.pauahtun.net which did the conversion. It is unlikely that the conversion per se is the cause of the problem. Status: O This header is added by your MUA to keep track of whether the message is Old/New/Read/Unread, etc. I don't think these are HTML messages that people are posting, just differently encoded (it's an international list). I'd like to give the list-owners some advice (and I do think they'll be amenable, providing it's good advice;-) ). So what are the best settings to tell them to use? It is not clear that Mailman is even involved in the problem. It is not even clear what the nature of the problem is. In order to even guess at what the problem is, I would need to see all the headers and an excerpt of the 'garbage'. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list_members output with fullname option
Fletch Bowling wrote:
Wonder why the manual states to use / if it makes the script crash?
What it says is
--fullnames / -f
Include the full names in the output.
In this context, the slash separates the two alternative ways
('--fullnames' or '-f') of spelling the option.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...
On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Sean Butler wrote: My question now is, that when I run genaliases, it changes the virtual mailman file back to hrca_board@ instead of just board@, so does that mean every time I need to run genaliases, I'm going to have to manually make this change? Yes. But why do you want to run genaliases? Normally this is only required to sync your aliases and virtual-mailman files after perhaps making configuration changes of some kind. Normal list creation and deletion should just update the affected entries in these files, and will not change the [EMAIL PROTECTED] entries back to hrca_board. Ah, ok... Then I should be ok. Thanks, Sean -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Constipation
McNutt Jr, William R wrote: I have a recurring problem with my mailman server. It keeps getting constipated. E-mails will pile up, un-served. Stopping and re-starting mailman clear out the que. When I stop and start it, I get the following messages. # bin/mailmanctl stop Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner No child with pid: 1711 [Errno 3] No such process Stale pid file removed. # bin/mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Your mailmanctl master and one or more qrunner processes are dying. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. Next time it happens, check to see which Mailman processes are still runninng if any. If there are any, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.068.htp about stopping them all before starting Mailman again. Also check Mailman's qrunner and error logs and system logs for clues as to why/how they died. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...
Sean Butler wrote: My question now is, that when I run genaliases, it changes the virtual mailman file back to hrca_board@ instead of just board@, so does that mean every time I need to run genaliases, I'm going to have to manually make this change? Yes. But why do you want to run genaliases? Normally this is only required to sync your aliases and virtual-mailman files after perhaps making configuration changes of some kind. Normal list creation and deletion should just update the affected entries in these files, and will not change the [EMAIL PROTECTED] entries back to hrca_board. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does one really need root privileges to install mailman? You could probably make it work more or less, but to make things secure you do need root privileges. Is the above neglecting a fundamental principle? Yes. Security. If your host allows you to do such things, I strongly suggest you find one who won't. ;-) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Howto find Users for a list?
On 1/17/08, Chris Penn wrote: I need to create a list of users for a particular list. is there a way I can find out who is subscribed to a list in mailman? You can go to the web admin page for the list, then to the Membership Management page. If you need anything more, see the FAQ Wizard for the command-line alternatives. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...
On 1/17/08, Barry Finkel wrote: Then, as I was typing this reply I noticed that if this list were named board, then you would have two lists with the same name. Even if the names are in different virtual domains, you cannot have two lists with the same name in Mailman 2.1.9. I am not sure if this restriction will be removed in 2.1.10. This restriction cannot be removed before Mailman 2.2.x, at the earliest. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does one really need root privileges to install mailman? Yup. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] great. no gmane
On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it only natural to read mailing lists via NNTP/gnus/Gmane.org. I can't imagine reading mailman-users via my little mailbox. However we *denied* gmane: Gmane shot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly. If they had contacted us beforehand, we might have been more accommodating. Since they repeatedly ignored their own procedures in this regard, we have no choice but to prohibit them from providing any kind of NNTP gateway services for this list. By all rights, they should be banned from providing any NNTP gateway services for any list hosted at python.org, but I have not pushed that issue. At least, not yet. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe one per line, names too?
On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, the administrator's mass subscriptions entry box does not mention how to get their English names added too. Does one put them in like: Ted Blazanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neurdovitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup. This is mentioned in the archives, but I'm still looking for the relevant piece of documentation or the appropriate FAQ Wizard entry. Also say I have chosen site language = English. May I still enter Chinese UTF names or expect disaster? Dunno. The developers of Mailman have tried to make it as multi-language friendly as possible, but this may or may not work. Feel free to give it a try and let us know how it works out for you. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] English the best language
On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how much damage would that cause if they did choose X, assuming I made sure listinfo.html subscribe.html options.html subscribeack.txt, i.e., the only pages in language X I can edit on Dreamhost, had all the missing buttons etc. added back by me. This is an open source project, maintained entirely by volunteers in their non-existent free time. You're always welcome to contribute code changes. Failing that, the software costs exactly $0.00, and provides a pretty good Return On Investment for most users, including the hundreds of people who have been involved in producing all the language translations so far. You're welcome to join the translation team, if you like. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Change -owner addresses
Joakim Nömell wrote:
Hi all. I have just upgraded my system to MM 2.1.9 and wonder if it is
possible to change the -owner-addresses to something else?
It may or may not be easy. At a minimum, you'd need to change
def GetOwnerEmail(self):
return self.getListAddress('owner')
in Mailman/MailList.py to
def GetOwnerEmail(self):
return self.getListAddress('somethingelse')
And also change the -owner aliases. I can't promise there aren't other
places where the -owner address is generated.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Change -owner addresses
On 1/17/08, Joakim Nömell wrote: Hi all. I have just upgraded my system to MM 2.1.9 and wonder if it is possible to change the -owner-addresses to something else? The reason is that we receive a lot of spam after 3 years use. We already have spam-filters. Go to the main web admin page for your list, type in a different address in the second field, the one for the listowner address(es), then hit the Submit Your Changes button at the bottom of the page. It's pretty simple. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
Does one really need root privileges to install mailman? BK Yup. I see. See ya. Bye. SJT You could probably make it work more or less, but to make things SJT secure you do need root privileges. Is the above neglecting a fundamental principle? SJT Yes. Security. If your host allows you to do such things, I strongly SJT suggest you find one who won't. ;-) My mom just spent $400 for me for 5 years at Dreamhost. What's the worst that could happen? All the files on my account getting deleted? No problem, I'll just put mailman on a different one of my unlimited shell users. Now of course clogging the mail system for others would not be acceptable. Anyway it seems mailman is complicated enough to just use the web half that Dreamhost allows, as ask their support staff to fix things I can't reach. Imagine me not being to stop bad bots via .htaccess. Imagine all mail going straight to the moderator queue with no .procmail etc. filtering. That is what I'm worried about with only web access. BK This is an open source project, maintained entirely by volunteers Never mind, I'll try the competition. $ w3m -dump http://www.sympa.org/|grep Sorry Sorry, you don't have enough rights to continue. Perhaps you forgot to login? OK, looks I'm stuck with you guys. BK You're welcome to join the translation team, if you like. My expertise is in just reporting lots of minor bugs. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] English the best language
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or maybe I should not allow them to choose X at all. Hope they can read English. Or, since you obviously can read English, you could translate the strings and submit a patch. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | My mom just spent $400 for me for 5 years at Dreamhost. What's the Since DreamHost already has implemented Mailman for you, why don't you concentrate on setting up your mail lists properly and securely? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBR5ABMNN2DJl/zagkAQJ6pwgAwOF4iRP8q/rihnVdZ8xwMdEufBVb04r/ bBwLN+05NEBp4HJ3d6wypUynnzTq1m8JnaBmHwEw0642b18mJGw6LBTzSVR+0c41 o9bqatylM01IGhdgQDnOG6I0CtEJ4Mv2LKfWWObRoA40NG4baQ8CRAzhehLjQDyG 2DZl2KKAaeSov29EbyMUpl7zo3piwXcPU86J7KqM3FwwJZcyYyLuX1v0o8E76iFk D5SVRi3TDA76ssD53TEaN4Qv3MSnMhahzWCe3CqTlylEBXEC60QJePYex66lOhP2 tYHxOdJhbSwRANWP+4Udzk1ryr1GOm5PlBI2oHL1oCsA0n0/3VfaBw== =Tx7p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
Along the lines of this (Org. mail already dele'd I forget who asked): quote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does one really need root privileges to install mailman? /quote Would it be the problems of one doing a full install in a seperate folder on a shared host site?? Space not a problem for myself and I would surmise the orginal questioner. Just asking 'cause I realy do feel my expertise is far enough advanced -:). Tnx. Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] surely can install mailman without root?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the above neglecting a fundamental principle? SJT Yes. Security. If your host allows you to do such things, I strongly SJT suggest you find one who won't. ;-) My mom just spent $400 for me for 5 years at Dreamhost. What's the worst that could happen? All the files on my account getting deleted? No problem, You need to learn that what *you* don't know can hurt the rest of us. Specifically, if the files on your account can be deleted, they can be replaced. Eg, with a set of spam filters that open the floodgates to a spammer, along with a brand new set of 1 million subscribers you never heard of. I'll just put mailman on a different one of my unlimited shell users. No, you'll lose all your unlimited shell users, and be banned for life from that system. Nor will your mother get her $400 back, since you violated the AUP. Imagine me not being to stop bad bots via .htaccess. Imagine all mail going straight to the moderator queue with no .procmail etc. filtering. That is what I'm worried about with only web access. You get what you pay for. Hardware and bandwidth, unfortunately, cannot be provided in infinite amounts at negligible cost the way that software can. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscribe one per line, names too?
OK, thanks. Filed bug https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=1874279group_id=103atid=100103 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] installing Mailman
Dear Support Group I'm trying 2 setup mailman on my WEBSITE http://www.stormsearchers.com/overveiw/overveiw.html but i don't no python programming.could someone help us out here... Regards Michael Wright _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] installing Mailman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2008 09:12 PM, Michael James Wright wrote: | Dear Support Group | | I'm trying 2 setup mailman on my WEBSITE http://www.stormsearchers.com/overveiw/overveiw.html but i don't no python programming.could someone help us out here... | | It would be helpful to know what operating system your website is running and whether you have shell and root access. - -- ~ Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHkB6heERILVgMyvARArN9AJ9RyK4liQoQNIhpSEtVlY7PzsR3CwCeLP9l yCcBxO6X5BzYnqPQqmiyrLo= =GObj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
