Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Mark Sapiro]

Adam Gabriel wrote:

 Carl Zwanzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/11/2008 11:10 AM >>>
>Mailman should function with any MTA that plays by the usual SMTP rules.
>OTOH, it might be easier in the long run to use postfix with mailman, 
>and have postfix direct everything into groupwise.  (OTOH, you won't
>get the mailman aliases into the groupwise address book.)
> 
>Carl,
>That's my concern... When a user sends a message to a list, it would normally 
>find the listname in the asiases file, and pipe the mail into the 
>/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman python script, correct?
>With groupwise, the system does have its Internet Agent that does play by 
>SMTP, but it has no concept of local users, aliases, etc. It gets its users 
>from eDirectory, and I can't make an alias/nickname that groupwise will 
>understands that will point to a pipe/file... only to other eDirectory (LDAP) 
>objects
> 
>Can you elaborate on your other suggestion - have postfix direct everything 
>into GW? Could I run it on the same box, maybe just on another port and have 
>it function still?


I think there's some confusion here between incoming mail to Mailman
and outgoing mail from Mailman. Mailman delivers it's outgoing mail
via SMTP to whatever MTA is defined in mm_cfg.py by SMTPHOST and
SMTPPORT. The defaults for these if not defined in mm_cfg.py are
'localhost' and 0 respectively, and the port = 0 tells the Python
smtplib to use the default SMTP port which is 25.

Incoming mail is the issue you're concerned about, and this is normally
delivered via a pipe to the mail wrapper with ten specific addresses
per list and the corresponding ten pipe commands established via
aliases or programattically depending on the MTA.

If Groupwise cannot be made to deliver to a pipe, you have a few other
options.

1) Use Mailman's 'experimental' Maildir delivery. See the comments
surrounding the USE_MAILDIR setting in Defaults.py and also those at
the beginning of Mailman/Queue/MaildirRunner.py. This will work if you
can get Groupwise to deliver all list mail to a Maildir.

2) Possibly you can establish a separate domain for Mailman lists only
and set your DNS records so that mail for that domain bypasses
Groupwise and gets delivered to a different MTA on the Mailman box.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists migration

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, eras mus wrote:
> how to migrate lists from one mailman version to another

Try FAQ 3.4, the second block of text is probably what you want.

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
from here...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Adam Gabriel wrote:
> Greetings all!
> Will mailman function with Groupwise as an MTA? I'm not too clear as to how 
> mailman communicates with the mta, so I couldn't see an obvious way of doing 
> this (Any docs for a non-python coder that might elaborate?). I want to run a 
> list on my groupwise mailserver (I want to avoid another whole box if I can) 
> but I don't think I could make 2 MTAs live on the same boxes nicely. Any 
> thoughts?

Mailman should function with any MTA that plays by the usual SMTP rules.
OTOH, it might be easier in the long run to use postfix with mailman, 
and have postfix direct everything into groupwise.  (OTOH, you won't
get the mailman aliases into the groupwise address book.)

z!
who actuallly hasn't touched groupwise in  a long time
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Adam Gabriel]

Greetings all!
Will mailman function with Groupwise as an MTA? I'm not too clear as to how 
mailman communicates with the mta, so I couldn't see an obvious way of doing 
this (Any docs for a non-python coder that might elaborate?). I want to run a 
list on my groupwise mailserver (I want to avoid another whole box if I can) 
but I don't think I could make 2 MTAs live on the same boxes nicely. Any 
thoughts?
 
Thanks in advance:
 
Adam
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Adam Gabriel]

>>> Carl Zwanzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2/11/2008 11:10 AM >>>
Mailman should function with any MTA that plays by the usual SMTP rules.
OTOH, it might be easier in the long run to use postfix with mailman, 
and have postfix direct everything into groupwise.  (OTOH, you won't
get the mailman aliases into the groupwise address book.)
 
Carl,
That's my concern... When a user sends a message to a list, it would normally 
find the listname in the asiases file, and pipe the mail into the 
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman python script, correct?
With groupwise, the system does have its Internet Agent that does play by SMTP, 
but it has no concept of local users, aliases, etc. It gets its users from 
eDirectory, and I can't make an alias/nickname that groupwise will understands 
that will point to a pipe/file... only to other eDirectory (LDAP) objects
 
Can you elaborate on your other suggestion - have postfix direct everything 
into GW? Could I run it on the same box, maybe just on another port and have it 
function still?
 
Thanks - Adam
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Brad Knowles]

On 2/11/08, Carl Zwanzig wrote:

>  If GW can deliver via SMTP, but not pipes, adding another MTA to the
>  path should get around this  (GW -> Postfix via SMTP, psotfix uses a pipe to
>  send into mailman.) That was was initial thought behind the postfix
>  suggestion.  I don't consider it exactly an elegent solution, but
>  it should work.

Disclaimer: All of what is about to follow is based on my past 
experience and my current understanding.  However, I don't have any 
direct hands-on experience with the software in question.

GroupWise is a PC-based LAN e-mail package, so you're unlikely to get 
postfix also running on that same box, unless you're using virtual 
machine technology to run multiple different server OSes on the same 
physical box.  It's not a traditional MTA, it's more of a gateway to 
a proprietary LAN e-mail package, and isn't going to handle well the 
inbound aliases issue for Mailman -- much like using Exchange as your 
MTA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending messages disappeared from admindb

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 22:38 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 2/10/08, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> 
> >  I think the whole site could use some reorganization.  I had seen the
> >  FAQ Wizard page before, but I have no idea how I got there.  If I follow
> >  the FAQ link in the left-hand nav panel, I get the old one.
> 
> Barry Warsaw has suggested that the entire FAQ Wizard should go away 
> and everything converted over to the Wiki.  However, so far no one 
> has expressed much interest in taking on the task of converting all 
> the FAQ Wizard entries over to wiki format, so that they could then 
> be edited and re-organized as appropriate.
> 
> If you like, you're welcome to take on that role.  ;-)

I'd love to, but am regrettably already overcomitted.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists migration

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Jaco Kroon wrote:
> I used a small script, but I lost all personal preferences, fortunately 
> in my case this didn't care too much.  Essentially I dumped a list of 
> all "regular" and "digest" members seperately, as well as the list 
> config.  Then I created the lists again on the other end, imported the 
> configs, and then re-added the members.
>
> It's rather crude, but it worked.  And as I said, we didn't care about 
> the personal preferences or passwords.
>
> Jaco
>
> eras mus wrote:
>   
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i've succesfully migrated lists from one machine to the other keeping 
preference and passwords. I copied /usr/local/mailman/lists and 
/usr/local/mailman/data.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman lists migration

[Jaco Kroon]

I used a small script, but I lost all personal preferences, fortunately 
in my case this didn't care too much.  Essentially I dumped a list of 
all "regular" and "digest" members seperately, as well as the list 
config.  Then I created the lists again on the other end, imported the 
configs, and then re-added the members.

It's rather crude, but it worked.  And as I said, we didn't care about 
the personal preferences or passwords.

Jaco

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[Mailman-Users] mailman lists migration

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Groupwise

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Incoming mail is the issue you're concerned about, and this is normally
> delivered via a pipe to the mail wrapper with ten specific addresses
> per list and the corresponding ten pipe commands established via
> aliases or programattically depending on the MTA.
> 
> If Groupwise cannot be made to deliver to a pipe, you have a few other
> options.

If GW can deliver via SMTP, but not pipes, adding another MTA to the 
path should get around this  (GW -> Postfix via SMTP, psotfix uses a pipe to
send into mailman.) That was was initial thought behind the postfix 
suggestion.  I don't consider it exactly an elegent solution, but 
it should work. 

z!
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