Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

2008-03-09 Thread Larry Stone 
On 3/9/08 10:34 AM, Paul at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Have you considered hosting yourself?  Some ISP's actually do let
> customers run servers and have fixed IP address.  Speakeasy.net is one of
> them.  I've been using them for 7 years now, and consider them the best of
> the best.

I'm with Speakeasy as well and completely agree with both the idea of doing
it yourself (as I do on a Macintosh) and using Speakeasy.

Besides just the fact that they have a servers permitted policy, they also
have clueful technical support who will actually believe you when you say
you've toubleshot your end and you're sure it's their problem (which is a
rare in any event). On the rare occasions I need to call, the person who
answers is almost always able to discuss the issue in real technical terms
and deal with problem without having to refer it to "level 2" or "level 3"
support.

I also had no problem having them change the reverse DNS on my address to my
domain name, something that makes spam detection software happier.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation - broken pipe / operatingsystem error

2008-03-09 Thread Mark Sapiro 
I-Ming Chen wrote:
>
>I've been trying to figure out this problem and I've seen some mention of it 
>in 
>past mailing list archives but I still cannot figure it out. I'm getting the 
>following message in my Logwatch file:
>
>System Error Messages:
>   putbody: write error: Broken pipe: 164 Time(s)
>   Cannot exec /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/contrib/mm-handler: Permission 
>denied: 168 Time(s)
>
>
>I think this is related to the "operating system error" that I've seen 
>elsewhere 
>as well but I can't figure it out yet. What's causing these series of errors?
>
>As for mm-handler, it's owned by root.mailman. It used to have permissions 644 
>which I assume made it unable to run so I altered it to 654. However, the same 
>error still appears. Any suggestions?


mm-handler is contributed, unsupported software.

However, your MTA is the process that executes it, so it must be
readable and executable by your MTA which probably doesn't run in the
mailman group.

If you make it's permissions 755, it should work (or at least get to
the next problem).

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Installation - broken pipe / operating system error

2008-03-09 Thread I-Ming Chen 
Hi,

I've been trying to figure out this problem and I've seen some mention of it in 
past mailing list archives but I still cannot figure it out. I'm getting the 
following message in my Logwatch file:

System Error Messages:
   putbody: write error: Broken pipe: 164 Time(s)
   Cannot exec /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/contrib/mm-handler: Permission 
denied: 168 Time(s)


I think this is related to the "operating system error" that I've seen 
elsewhere 
as well but I can't figure it out yet. What's causing these series of errors?

As for mm-handler, it's owned by root.mailman. It used to have permissions 644 
which I assume made it unable to run so I altered it to 654. However, the same 
error still appears. Any suggestions?

I-Ming Chen

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

2008-03-09 Thread Dov Oxenberg 
Hi,
Actually, Paul has an excellent suggestion and I am surprised at myself for not 
thinking of it until reading his reply.
I have a (unmanaged) Virtual Private Server (VPS) hosted by TekTonic 
(http://www.tektonic.net) running Debian 4.2 Etch.
For $15/month I get a VM consisting of 10GB of disk space and a memory 
allocation of 256MB.  The rate they charge varies by the amount of resources 
you wish to have - the more disk space and memory the higher the rate.  Still, 
at that price I have complete control over the machine, can even reinstall the 
O/S if I so choose (or need ), a web based graphical administration 
interface, and can monitor my bandwidth usage in real time.
May be worth looking in to...
Cheers!
Dov



> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:34:13 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery 
> issues - First Yahoo, now AOL> > On Sun, March 9, 2008 10:12 am, Rick Harris 
> wrote:> > I set personalize to yes several weeks ago hoping that it would 
> resolve my> > delivery issues to Yahoo. After a posting sent yesterday 
> morning at 5:30> > am> > arrived at my local ISP address today at 4:25am (22 
> hour delay counting> > daylight savings time change), I am going to try to be 
> more insistent with> > my hosting company. Moving hosts is a pain, but this 
> is bothering me> > enough> > to consider it.> > Have you considered hosting 
> yourself? Some ISP's actually do let> customers run servers and have fixed IP 
> address. Speakeasy.net is one of> them. I've been using them for 7 years now, 
> and consider them the best of> the best.> > 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

2008-03-09 Thread Paul 
On Sun, March 9, 2008 10:12 am, Rick Harris wrote:
> I set personalize to yes several weeks ago hoping that it would resolve my
> delivery issues to Yahoo.  After a posting sent yesterday morning at 5:30
> am
> arrived at my local ISP address today at 4:25am (22 hour delay counting
> daylight savings time change), I am going to try to be more insistent with
> my hosting company.  Moving hosts is a pain, but this is bothering me
> enough
> to consider it.

Have you considered hosting yourself?  Some ISP's actually do let
customers run servers and have fixed IP address.  Speakeasy.net is one of
them.  I've been using them for 7 years now, and consider them the best of
the best.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

2008-03-09 Thread Rick Harris 
I set personalize to yes several weeks ago hoping that it would resolve my
delivery issues to Yahoo.  After a posting sent yesterday morning at 5:30 am
arrived at my local ISP address today at 4:25am (22 hour delay counting
daylight savings time change), I am going to try to be more insistent with
my hosting company.  Moving hosts is a pain, but this is bothering me enough
to consider it.

Thanks to all those who have responded to this.

Rick Harris


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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:49 AM
To: Rick Harris; 'Matt Morgan'
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Ongoing delivery issues - First Yahoo, now AOL

Rick Harris wrote:
>
>I queried my hosts regarding a mail transport issue and sent them headers
>from messages in question.  Here is the response:
>
>"According to my investigations the message contained more than 10
>recipients. That's why the first 10 recipients got their emails
immediatelly
>and other copies of the message were delayed. I just advise you to
>reconfigure your maillist software to send individual email to each
>recipient."


So the host is providing Mailman hosting that doesn't work and when you
complain the host blames the software which it provides.

The only option you have to configure mailman to send individual
messages is, if the host allows it, to set Non-digest options ->
personalize to Yes. If this setting does not appear as the second item
on the Non-digest options page, then the Mailman installation doesn't
allow it.

The other way to send individual messages is VERP like delivery, but
this is completely controlled by the host.


>Should I be looking for different hosting?


I would. See Brian's reply, and Brian's and my replies in the thread at
.

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