Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working

[Terry Allen]

My mailman program just quit working - the mail is sent back 
undeliverable after over a year of working just fine




Anyone else have this issue.



I did nothing different and none of my lists work



Hi again,
	Stab on the dark here, but I would say that your mailman 
daemon or queue runner has unexpectedly crashed & not picking up mail 
or a corruption issue in your mailman lists is causing the issue - 
your mail server log should provide at least some idea, as should the 
bounce message.

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[Mailman-Users] Date and squence numbe in subject

[Sven Schmidt]

I want to set a sequence number in topic but not start at 1.
Additionaly I want to add the current date. How I do this?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working

[Barry Finkel]

"Jeff Hedglen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>My mailman program just quit working - the mail is sent back
>undeliverable after over a year of working just fine
>
>Anyone else have this issue.
>
>I did nothing different and none of my lists work

You have not given us enough information on which to do diagnosis.
Mail can be sent back as undeliverable for any number of reasons.
If you had included one of the rejection messages, maybe we could have
made some educated guesses.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Command line modification of user options?

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Norton wrote:
>
>I run a large list and have a need to turn of the no-mail by-bounce  
>setting from a large number of subscribers.
>
>Is there an easy way to do this from the command-line? Or perhaps  
>somebody has a script?


There is a withlist script at
; mirrored at
 and
.

This script will reset no-mail by-bounce for all members or all members
in a given domain. A single withlist command can run it for a single
list or for all lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not working

[Mark Sapiro]

Terry Allen wrote:

>>My mailman program just quit working - the mail is sent back 
>>undeliverable after over a year of working just fine
>>
>>
>>
>>Anyone else have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>I did nothing different and none of my lists work
>>
>>
>Hi again,
>   Stab on the dark here, but I would say that your mailman 
>daemon or queue runner has unexpectedly crashed & not picking up mail 


If grunners die or Mailman is not running, the MTA should still be able
to deliver to Mailman's queues as the delivery doesn't depend on any
running daemon processes, so the above is probably not the issue.


>or a corruption issue in your mailman lists is causing the issue - 


or some problem in Mailman's mail wrapper or post script or the MTA
itself.


>your mail server log should provide at least some idea, as should the 
>bounce message.


Right.

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[Mailman-Users] reply to sender and not list

[Judy Angel]

How can I set the list up so that the reply by default goes to the 
individual sender not the list?


thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phantom moderation pending requests & heldmsg files

[Chris Waltham]

On May 7, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Chris Waltham wrote:


Can you think of an easy way to discard all the messages in
request.pck _except those_ which still have tokens remaining in
pending.pck?



If you're willing to accept that the only messages that have unexpired
tokens left in pending.pck are those newer than PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE
which defaults to 3 days, you can use the method suggested in the FAQ


Just out of interest, how do I check and/or set that variable? I tried  
looking through list configs for pending_request_life and didn't see  
it; is it a global setting unless the list owner specifically changes  
it? I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find the answer, either.


Thanks again,


Chris

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Re: [Mailman-Users] clarification on virtual domains

[Mark Sapiro]

bijayant kumar wrote:
>
>--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure it isn't the other way around? When you
>> have
>> 
>> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')
>> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom2.com')
>> 
>> The second entry effectively replaces the first
>> because what they do is
>> add entries to a Python dictionary (a hash table).
>> The first argument
>> is the key and the second is the value. So the first
>> above makes an
>> entry with key 'lists.bijayant.com' and value
>> 'dom1.com' and the
>> second replaces the value for key
>> 'lists.bijayant.com' with 'dom2.com'
>
>I am not sure about this functionality of python, but
>what you are saying seems to right. After this
>explanation, it is little bit clear to me now why the
>second domain is taking the previous value. But i dont
>have any other option because i have to use only one
>url i.e 'lists.bijayant.com'. So all the lists created
>have to take the same url 'lists.bijayant.com'.


In that case, every list you create from the web will have the same
value for host_name and the data/virtual-mailman entries will have
that domain. If it is wrong, you will need to change it via the web
and then run bin/genaliases to rebuild data/virtual-mailman.

Otherwise, you can create lists with bin/newlist and specify the
host_name with the -e/--emailhost option.

But, if all lists have the same web domain why do you want them to have
different email domains? The listnames have to be unique anyway, so
why not just have them all in your primary email domain and not bother
with additional domains?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] reply to sender and not list

[Mark Sapiro]

Judy Angel wrote:
>
>How can I set the list up so that the reply by default goes to the 
>individual sender not the list?


On the lists General Options page, set first_strip_reply_to to No and
reply_goes_to_list to Poster.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phantom moderation pending requests & heldmsg files

[Chris Waltham]

On May 8, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Chris Waltham wrote:


On May 7, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Chris Waltham wrote:


Can you think of an easy way to discard all the messages in
request.pck _except those_ which still have tokens remaining in
pending.pck?



If you're willing to accept that the only messages that have  
unexpired

tokens left in pending.pck are those newer than PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE
which defaults to 3 days, you can use the method suggested in the FAQ


Just out of interest, how do I check and/or set that variable? I  
tried looking through list configs for pending_request_life and  
didn't see it; is it a global setting unless the list owner  
specifically changes it? I looked in the FAQ and couldn't find the  
answer, either.


Foolish me!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/Mailman]$ grep PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE Defaults.py
PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE = days(3)

So sorry. :-)


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[Mailman-Users] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[Jeff Hedglen]

Thanks for the replies - some people asked for more information on my mail
return information.

All other mail sends and receives fine but the mailman posts all come back
undeliverable

Here is the error message I receive - 


This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
host 64.207.194.132 [64.207.194.132]: 451 Temporary local problem -
please try later:
retry timeout exceeded


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Date and squence numbe in subject

[Mark Sapiro]

Sven Schmidt wrote:

>I want to set a sequence number in topic but not start at 1.


The sequence number is the list attribute post_id which started at list
inception. You can see what it currently is with

  bin/dumpdb lists//config.pck | grep post_id

If its current value is not acceptable, you can set post_id to anything
you want with bin/withlist or bin/config_list, but be sure to set it
to a floating point number, e.g. 12345.0 rather than 12345


>Additionaly I want to add the current date. How I do this?
>(mailman 2.1.10)


Only by modifying the code in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message tosender

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Hedglen wrote:
>
>Here is the error message I receive - 
>
>
>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>host 64.207.194.132 [64.207.194.132]: 451 Temporary local problem -
>please try later:
>retry timeout exceeded


That doesn't give a lot of help. The mail log might have more.

But since the 451 comes after the RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and
before the DATA, we can see that the problem is with the address and
not with delivery. Perhaps the aliases database has become corrupted
or something has changed in the MTA configuration. In any case, this
problem is with something to do with the MTA at 64.207.194.132, and
not directly with Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning messagetosender

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Jeff Hedglen wrote:
>>
>>Here is the error message I receive - 
>>
>>
>>This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>>
>>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>>recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>>
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>host 64.207.194.132 [64.207.194.132]: 451 Temporary local problem -
>>please try later:
>>retry timeout exceeded
>
>
>That doesn't give a lot of help. The mail log might have more.
>
>But since the 451 comes after the RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and
>before the DATA, we can see that the problem is with the address and
>not with delivery. Perhaps the aliases database has become corrupted
>or something has changed in the MTA configuration. In any case, this
>problem is with something to do with the MTA at 64.207.194.132, and
>not directly with Mailman.


I looked a bit further.

The primary MX for stbartsfw.org is mail.stbartsfw.org. This MX
apparently receives the mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and relays it to
64.207.194.132. Exim answers the port 25 connect to 64.207.194.132,
but it returns the "451 Temporary local problem - please try later:"
to any RCPT TO: that I tried. Possibly it returns 451 for any
'invalid' address, but in any case it appears it is not even trying to
deliver mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mailman-Users] More than just email?

[Dr. Scott S. Jones]

I manage several lists with my 2.1.9 installation of MailMan. I would LIKE
to have MailMan continue in it's intended function, but also want to know if
anyone here integrates MM with other databases to keep track of more than
just Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] More clearly, I guess I am hoping to integrate
MM with other applications to work as a contact manager, to track calls,
letters, emails, for my growing contact list. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] More than just email?

[Dragon]

Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:

I manage several lists with my 2.1.9 installation of MailMan. I would LIKE
to have MailMan continue in it's intended function, but also want to know if
anyone here integrates MM with other databases to keep track of more than
just Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] More clearly, I guess I am hoping to integrate
MM with other applications to work as a contact manager, to track calls,
letters, emails, for my growing contact list.

Suggestions?

 End original message. -

Honestly, you would probably be a lot better off using a contact 
management program written for the purpose than trying to make 
Mailman fit the role.


Mailman is a mailing list manager and it is very good for the purpose 
it was written for. It would be a major programming task to try to 
get it to do what you want. In my opinion, that time and effort would 
be better spent getting and using a tool specific to your needs.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] More than just email?

[Mark Sapiro]

Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
>
>I manage several lists with my 2.1.9 installation of MailMan. I would LIKE
>to have MailMan continue in it's intended function, but also want to know if
>anyone here integrates MM with other databases to keep track of more than
>just Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] More clearly, I guess I am hoping to integrate
>MM with other applications to work as a contact manager, to track calls,
>letters, emails, for my growing contact list.


I don't know if this is what you have in mind, but there are a couple
of MySQL MemberAdaptor modules. These allow Mailman to use a MySQL
database for it's list membership. This would allow you to maintain
your contact information (outside of Mailman) in a MySQL database and
have Mailman access that database directly for list membership
information.

The original by Kev Green is at
,
but there is a later version at .

A variant based on the original is at
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Command line modification of user options?

[Stefan Förster]

* Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Is there an easy way to do this from the command-line? Or perhaps  
> >somebody has a script?
> 
> 
> There is a withlist script at
> ; mirrored at
>  and
> .
[...]

I've had, for different reasons, a look at
http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nodups.py which contains the
following line:

mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates, 1)

Since this is exactly what I am looking for (well, more or less), I'd
like to ask where I can get a list of all parameters (I'm talking
about "DontReceiveDuplicates" right now) which can be used to modify
subscriber options.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Mail delivery failed: returning messagetosender

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > 64.207.194.132. Exim answers the port 25 connect to 64.207.194.132,
 > but it returns the "451 Temporary local problem - please try later:"
 > to any RCPT TO: that I tried.

Did you try "postmaster"?  If that doesn't work, 64.207.194.132 is
seriously bunged anyway.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Command line modification of user options?

[Mark Sapiro]

Stefan Förster wrote:
>
>I've had, for different reasons, a look at
>http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/set_nodups.py which contains the
>following line:
>
>mlist.setMemberOption(member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveDuplicates, 1)
>
>Since this is exactly what I am looking for (well, more or less), I'd
>like to ask where I can get a list of all parameters (I'm talking
>about "DontReceiveDuplicates" right now) which can be used to modify
>subscriber options.


in Defaults.py


# Bitfield for user options.  See DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS above to
set
# defaults for all new lists.
Digests = 0 # handled by other mechanism, doesn't need a
flag.
DisableDelivery = 1 # Obsolete; use set/getDeliveryStatus()
DontReceiveOwnPosts = 2 # Non-digesters only
AcknowledgePosts= 4
DisableMime = 8 # Digesters only
ConcealSubscription = 16
SuppressPasswordReminder = 32
ReceiveNonmatchingTopics = 64
Moderate = 128
DontReceiveDuplicates = 256

# A mapping between short option tags and their flag
OPTINFO = {'hide': ConcealSubscription,
   'nomail'  : DisableDelivery,
   'ack' : AcknowledgePosts,
   'notmetoo': DontReceiveOwnPosts,
   'digest'  : 0,
   'plain'   : DisableMime,
   'nodupes' : DontReceiveDuplicates
   }



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Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Mail delivery failed: returningmessagetosender

[Mark Sapiro]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>Mark Sapiro writes:
>
> > 64.207.194.132. Exim answers the port 25 connect to 64.207.194.132,
> > but it returns the "451 Temporary local problem - please try later:"
> > to any RCPT TO: that I tried.
>
>Did you try "postmaster"?  If that doesn't work, 64.207.194.132 is
>seriously bunged anyway.

I just did - -

mail from:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
250 OK
rcpt to:
451 Temporary local problem - please try later
rcpt to:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
451 Temporary local problem - please try later
rcpt to:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
451 Temporary local problem - please try later
rcpt to:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
501 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: domain literals not allowed


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Command line modification of user options?

[Stefan F�rster]

* Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stefan F�rster wrote:
>> Since this is exactly what I am looking for (well, more or less), I'd
>> like to ask where I can get a list of all parameters (I'm talking
>> about "DontReceiveDuplicates" right now) which can be used to modify
>> subscriber options.
> 
> 
> in Defaults.py

Thank you, this comes in very handy.


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[Mailman-Users] problem with subscribe

[lists . mailman-users]

Hallo mailman-users,

When I send a message to duinheks-test-subscribe, the request
does not arrive in mailman, but produces the following in the
error log:
May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' object has 
no
attribute 'lower'
May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 114, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 185, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 241, in _dispose
res.do_command('join')
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 139, in do_command
return handler.process(self, args)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 74, in process
if digest is None and password.lower() in ('digest', 'nodigest'):
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) SHUNTING:
1210276071.4968121+a7b07b7c3e9162f8487f34b404c47109de1dd745

I'm using mailman 2.1.10 under SlackWare 12.0.

Please help me, I have not the faintest idea where to look.

Groeten,

   Hans.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with subscribe

[Barry Finkel]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hallo mailman-users,
>
>When I send a message to duinheks-test-subscribe, the request
>does not arrive in mailman, but produces the following in the
>error log:
>May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) Uncaught runner exception: 'NoneType' object has 
>no
>attribute 'lower'
>May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 114, in _oneloop
>self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 185, in _onefile
>keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 241, in _dispose
>res.do_command('join')
>  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 139, in do_command
>return handler.process(self, args)
>  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py", line 74, in process
>if digest is None and password.lower() in ('digest', 'nodigest'):
>AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'
>May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) SHUNTING:
>1210276071.4968121+a7b07b7c3e9162f8487f34b404c47109de1dd745
>
>I'm using mailman 2.1.10 under SlackWare 12.0.
>
>Please help me, I have not the faintest idea where to look.
>
>Groeten,
>
>   Hans.

A search of the list archives shows that this is a 2.1.10 bug for which
Mark Sapiro has released a patch.

 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg49039.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] clarification on virtual domains

[bijayant kumar]

--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> bijayant kumar wrote:
> >
> >--- Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Are you sure it isn't the other way around? When
> you
> >> have
> >> 
> >> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom1.com')
> >> add_virtualhost('lists.bijayant.com', 'dom2.com')
> >> 
> >> The second entry effectively replaces the first
> >> because what they do is
> >> add entries to a Python dictionary (a hash
> table).
> >> The first argument
> >> is the key and the second is the value. So the
> first
> >> above makes an
> >> entry with key 'lists.bijayant.com' and value
> >> 'dom1.com' and the
> >> second replaces the value for key
> >> 'lists.bijayant.com' with 'dom2.com'
> >
> >I am not sure about this functionality of python,
> but
> >what you are saying seems to right. After this
> >explanation, it is little bit clear to me now why
> the
> >second domain is taking the previous value. But i
> dont
> >have any other option because i have to use only
> one
> >url i.e 'lists.bijayant.com'. So all the lists
> created
> >have to take the same url 'lists.bijayant.com'.
> 
> 
> In that case, every list you create from the web
> will have the same
> value for host_name and the data/virtual-mailman
> entries will have
> that domain. If it is wrong, you will need to change
> it via the web
> and then run bin/genaliases to rebuild
> data/virtual-mailman.
> 
> Otherwise, you can create lists with bin/newlist and
> specify the
> host_name with the -e/--emailhost option.
> 
> But, if all lists have the same web domain why do
> you want them to have
> different email domains? The listnames have to be
> unique anyway, so
> why not just have them all in your primary email
> domain and not bother
> with additional domains?
> 

Your suggestion is very good, but i cant have same
email domain for every list. I dont have choice
because our clients want lists in their respective
email domain only :). 

So i have to follow the command line options for
creating the lists, it is working great without any
problem. 

Thanks for your tremendous support to sort out my
problem.


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> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with subscribe

[lists . mailman-users]

Hallo Barry,

Op donderdag 08 mei 2008 schreef Barry Finkel aan Mailman-Users@python.org:

 >> When I send a message to duinheks-test-subscribe, the request
 >> does not arrive in mailman, but produces the following in the
 >> error log:
 >> May 08 21:47:51 2008 (3636) SHUNTING:
 >> 1210276071.4968121+a7b07b7c3e9162f8487f34b404c47109de1dd745

 BF> A search of the list archives shows that this is a 2.1.10 bug
 BF> for which Mark Sapiro has released a patch.

I *thought* I had read something about it, but coud not find
it anymore. Maybe because it was the end of a log hot day :)
It is working now.
Thank you very much!

Groeten,

   Hans.

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