Re: [Mailman-Users] why do i keep getting awaiting approval messages ?

[Barry Finkel]

"Anant Maringanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part:

>I have looked up the archives and the FAQ but perhaps I dont even know
>what I am looking for.  I have recently set up a mailing list. I think
>I have set up the list for not holding up any member's posting for
>admin approval. But each time there is a posting, it gets held up and I
>get a message saying "message awaiting approval" and it wont go through
>until I approve of it. At first I thought it was because messages were
>coming in with html in them  -- so I sent a message in plain text
>format to test but even that got held up. Where should I look? Here are
>the main options which I think are relevant as I have set them. Any
>suggestions in this regard will be greatly appreciated:

You have told us much, but you have not told us why the "message
awaiting approval" was issued.  In that mail there should be a reason
why the mail was sent to the list moderator(s) for approval, such as

 a) posting by a non-member to a member-only list
 b) "implicit destination"
 c) too many recipients
 d) and others

Without knowing the reason, we can only guess at the reason and attempt
to give you advice.  I could tell you how to fix "implicit destination",
but that will not help you if that is not the cause of your problem.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Major problems with privacy and mailman lists and harvesters

[Dragon]

Michael Welch wrote:

Steve Murphy wrote at 10:03 AM 5/23/2008:

>I've noticed in the mailman-users archives, that if I view info by 
thread (using the mailman archives as an example,) which site is 
2.1.10 based, that all email addresses are present, but with a 
simple obfuscation. (the "@" has been changed to " at ".) I can't 
help but to think that this simple obfuscation is a joke. Any 
harvester written in the past number of years would be smart enough 
to capture such accurately.


I think the Topica listserver had a great way to deal with email 
addresses in archives. You could see a semblance of the email 
address, but no way could you deduce the real address. If you are 
logged into the site, each is still obscured, but is a live link 
that opens up an email-like dialog box -- with the real address 
still obscured. But it does send an email to the real address for 
the obscured address.


Pretty good way of dealing with the problem, but I have no idea if 
something like this could be coded into Mailman archives.

 End original message. -

Doing so is definitely possible, but it would require that the 
archive pages be served via a CGI program and that you have some sort 
of database of those e-mail addresses that said CGI process would access.


If I am not mistaken, I believe that there is currently a wrapper 
script that handles access control to private archives but which gets 
bypassed if the archive is public. The current architecture under 
pipermail is that the actual archive pages themselves are just static 
HTML files and the wrapper script only has the function of setting 
and checking an access token in a cookie to access them if the 
archive is private.


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[Mailman-Users] How to make unsubscribe==ban ???

[Katy Eggering]

I've looked in the archives but didn't find anything about my 
situation.  I have a customer that is implementing a mailing list for 
those that subscribe to their service.  They plan to import the member 
list from their database and do a mass subscribe.   Each mailing sent 
out will include unsubscribe info.  When the user sends an "unsubscribe" 
message, we need to make sure that they aren't resubscribed with the 
next database/user sync.  It looks like we can accomplish this by adding 
that user to the ban list.  (I know in older versions a subscribe by the 
admin overruled the ban list, but not any more.)  So my question is how 
to get the unsubscribed user into the list of banned users.  I haven't 
found a command line version of ban.  Does one exist?


Other suggestions welcome.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] sharing administrator passwords

[Brad Knowles]

Laura Creighton wrote:


Any idea when Mailman 3 is coming?


So far as I know, no official schedule has been announced.  There has been 
an announcement of a pre-alpha version that Mailman developers can take a 
look at and see what might ultimately arrive, but if you're not a Mailman 
developer who's hacking on the code then this won't help you.


Keep an eye on the Mailman3 section of the wiki, and look for announcements 
to the appropriate mailman-* mailing lists.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ: a call for help

[Terri Oda]

Ever wanted to help out with Mailman but didn't know how?   Here's  
your chance!


I've been trying to make the wiki into the one-stop-shop for Mailman  
documentation, and as part of that process, I made a script that  
moved the Mailman FAQ entries into the wiki.


http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions

You'll see that there's around 200 entries in there now, organized  
into sections as they were originally in the FAQ Wizard:


http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

I need some people who've got a few minutes to help out with cleaning  
up the wiki FAQ entries.  You don't need to know the answers -- I  
just need some volunteers who can fix some links and maybe do some  
organization.  I don't need any huge time commitment, just sign up  
for a wiki account and do an entry or two when you've got some spare  
time.


Most of the pages just need someone to convert the FAQ Wizard links  
to internal wiki links (eg: in http://wiki.list.org/x/PIA9), maybe  
fix some other formatting (eg: look at http://wiki.list.org/x/p4A9  
and how the preformatted stuff is inexplicably in three blocks rather  
than one).It's an easy job, it's just that at 200 pages, I could  
use some help!


If you have any questions or need any help getting started, please  
let me know!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] sharing administrator passwords

[Barry Warsaw]

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On May 27, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

So far as I know, no official schedule has been announced.  There  
has been an announcement of a pre-alpha version that Mailman  
developers can take a look at and see what might ultimately arrive,  
but if you're not a Mailman developer who's hacking on the code then  
this won't help you.


Keep an eye on the Mailman3 section of the wiki, and look for  
announcements to the appropriate mailman-* mailing lists.


MM 3.0alpha1 was released.  I encourage and welcom everyone who wants  
to help get MM3 closer to reality to check out the code, bang on it,  
and join mailman-developers.


- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman FAQ: a call for help

[Barry Warsaw]

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On May 27, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Terri Oda wrote:

Ever wanted to help out with Mailman but didn't know how?   Here's  
your chance!


I've been trying to make the wiki into the one-stop-shop for Mailman  
documentation, and as part of that process, I made a script that  
moved the Mailman FAQ entries into the wiki.


http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions


Terri, this is superfantastic!  Thanks so much for doing this.  Two  
things:


- - Does it make sense to turn off write permission on the FAQ wizard?   
If we don't, the wiki will slowly get out of date.  I think we can do  
this easily by changing the password and maybe adding some pointers to  
the wiki.


- - We should commit your script to the mailman-administrivia repository.

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to make unsubscribe==ban ???

[Brad Knowles]

Katy Eggering wrote:

When the user sends an "unsubscribe" 
message, we need to make sure that they aren't resubscribed with the 
next database/user sync.  It looks like we can accomplish this by adding 
that user to the ban list.


Are you sure?

(I know in older versions a subscribe by the 
admin overruled the ban list, but not any more.)


I would be really surprised if this was true.  Can you point to the 
documentation or release notes that indicate this change?


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[Mailman-Users] setting respond_to_post_requests and header filters in mm_cfg.py

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

is it possible to set respond_to_post_requests and header filters in
mm_cfg.py? I want to disable respond_to_post_requests for new lists
automatically, and also want to filter out mails with X-Spam-Flags:
YES in the header per default. Seems my settings in mm_cfg.py don't
get recognized...

Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] why do i keep getting awaiting approval messages ?

[Anant Maringanti]

>You have told us much, but you have not told us why the "message
>awaiting approval" was issued.  In that mail there should be a reason
>why the mail was sent to the list moderator(s) for approval, such as

  >  a) posting by a non-member to a member-only list
  > b) "implicit destination"
  >c) too many recipients
  > d) and others

Hi Barry, thanks for responding. The message said: "posting from a
member to a moderated group."
As it turned out, I had left the newsgroup options unchanged because I
assumed that it doesnt matter because I dont have a newsgroup
associated with this list. But apparently, as the newsgroup was
checked to be a moderated group, even if there is none associated with
this list, it will behave as if the list itself is moderated.
I just changed that and tried a test post. Everything is fine for now.
Thanks again
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman hourly limit

[mailmanlist]

I just purchased a VPS to which I will have root access, so I would 
imagine that I will have access to Mailman config files. In Webhost 
Manager, there is an option to set an hourly limit for all Mailman 
users. Naturally, that's a good idea. But there should be a way to 
exempt a domain or override the limit for one domain.


Is this possible, and, if so, how would it be done?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] setting respond_to_post_requests and header filters in mm_cfg.py

[Brad Knowles]

On 5/28/08, Florian Effenberger wrote:


 is it possible to set respond_to_post_requests and header filters in
 mm_cfg.py? I want to disable respond_to_post_requests for new lists
 automatically, and also want to filter out mails with X-Spam-Flags:
 YES in the header per default. Seems my settings in mm_cfg.py don't
 get recognized...


I think the settings in mm_cfg.py only affect the defaults that are 
set when new lists are created.  In particular, they have no affect 
on any pre-existing lists.


You'd need to go through a separate process to change those same 
settings on each list, presumably some semi-automated method using 
"with_list".


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hourly limit

[Brad Knowles]

On 5/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I just purchased a VPS to which I will have root access, so I would
 imagine that I will have access to Mailman config files. In Webhost
 Manager, there is an option to set an hourly limit for all Mailman
 users.


This is not a standard part of Mailman.  If you have any questions 
regarding these kinds of non-standard features, you need to ask your 
hosting provider.



 Naturally, that's a good idea. But there should be a way to exempt
 a domain or override the limit for one domain.

 Is this possible, and, if so, how would it be done?


Talk to your hosting provider.  They should know what additional 
tools they installed and how they work.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] setting respond_to_post_requests and header filters in mm_cfg.py

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Brad,

> I think the settings in mm_cfg.py only affect the defaults that are set when
> new lists are created.  In particular, they have no affect on any
> pre-existing lists.
>
> You'd need to go through a separate process to change those same settings on
> each list, presumably some semi-automated method using "with_list".

sorry for the confusion - that's not the issue. The issue is that
there seem to be no options in mm_cfg.py that reflect these settings.
I can set all other things, but not these two...

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