Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

On 6/26/08, jeff zemla wrote:


 Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do
 that through Gmail.


Keep in mind that spammers have hacked the CAPTCHAs for hotmail, 
yahoo, and gmail, and they are aggressively using these services to 
send out their spam.  About half of the traffic we see from Yahoo is 
actually spam coming from compromised or bogus accounts.


The situation with gmail is even worse -- not only in terms of 
numbers, but also in terms of what they're being used for. 
Unfortunately, a disproportionate amount of phishing comes from gmail.


So, while we might exempt Yahoo from our reputation-based filtering 
and filter their messages based on content only, we are much more 
loathe to do that for Gmail, because phishing is so much harder to 
detect.



Note that this is for my current employer, one of the largest public 
research universties in the world, with ~50,000 students and ~20,000 
faculty and staff, and we run the anti-spam filtering for pretty much 
the entire campus through our Ironport e-mail security appliances.


We're throwing away ~97% of all inbound e-mail as almost certainly 
being "spam", with about another ~1% being filtered out due to 
content.  That leaves millions of messages a day that make it through 
the system, and yahoo and gmail are, by far, our biggest 
correspondent sites.


Now imagine what would happen if we were forced to exempt gmail from 
our reputation filtering.




So, are you directly affected by any of this?  Maybe, maybe not.

Are you likely to get caught up and washed away in the spam flood of 
biblical proportions, in part due to your choice in providers?  Yes.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable wrapping of the subject header?

[Adam Nielsen]

This has been discussed before on this and other lists and is being
discussed right now on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see
).


Ah ok, that looks promising.  Sorry, I did Google around a fair bit but 
I guess I was using the wrong keywords...


Does anyone know if there's a way to do this, or whereabouts in the code 
I should start looking?


Search for '\t' in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. Some (most)
occurrences can be replaced with ' '.

I think the only one that can't be changed is

if len(lines) > 1 and lines[1] and lines[1][0] in ' \t':
ws = lines[1][0]



Excellent, thanks for that!  I'll try it now.

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

[Vidiot]

Hank posted:

>I gave the location of the actual aliases file in /etc/mail for
>Solaris.  /etc/aliases is provided, but is a symlink to the file in
>/etc/mail.

It is the symlink that I always use, same deal for the hosts file. :-)

>I will note, and think that Brad and Mark will agree, that given the
>predominance of Linux and Postfix on Mailman hosts, there probably is
>very little interest among list subscribers for discussion of general
>Solaris and sendmail issues.  Both systems are well-supported on
>Usenet news groups and sponsoring web sites.  

Is that a polite way of saying don't post Solaris mailman configuration
questions here?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable wrapping of the subject header?

[Mark Sapiro]

Adam Nielsen wrote:
>
>Mailman seems to like wrapping the e-mail subject when it gets too long 
>(78 chars I think.)  Because this causes problems with many common 
>e-mail clients (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.) is there any way to disable 
>the wrap?


Not in Mailman. This is done in the underlying Python email library.


>The problem is that after "folding" the line (as RFC822 puts it) Mailman 
>uses a tab character to indent the line below.  The RFC states that the 
>CRLF+whitespace combination should be replaced by just the whitespace 
>character used - and since Mailman uses CRLF+tab, after unfolding we end 
>up with a tab character in the middle of the e-mail subject.
>
>Thunderbird displays this using ASCII encoding (so you get a little 
>round circle in the middle of the subject) whereas Outlook displays 
>nothing at all (so you get people pointing out that you forgot to put a 
>space in between those words.)  Some MTAs seem to expand the tab into 
>eight spaces, leaving a large gap in the middle of the subject instead.
>
>You can see examples of these in the messages posted to the list 
>yesterday, e.g. "Apache,mailman and ScriptAlias - not as documented"


This has been discussed before on this and other lists and is being
discussed right now on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see
).


>The easiest solution (for me) would be to just disable folding of that 
>header, or alternatively to replace the tab with a space, so that e-mail 
>clients display a single space as originally intended by the author 
>instead of doing something funny with the tab character.
>
>Does anyone know if there's a way to do this, or whereabouts in the code 
>I should start looking?


Search for '\t' in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py. Some (most)
occurrences can be replaced with ' '.

I think the only one that can't be changed is

if len(lines) > 1 and lines[1] and lines[1][0] in ' \t':
ws = lines[1][0]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

[Hank van Cleef]

The esteemed Brad Knowles has said:
> 
> Vidiot wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the info, but the last time I looked, aliases was in /etc,
> > not /etc/mail.
> 
> Depends on your platform.  For Solaris, the aliases have been in 
> /etc/mail/aliases for a very, very long time.
> 
I gave the location of the actual aliases file in /etc/mail for
Solaris.  /etc/aliases is provided, but is a symlink to the file in
/etc/mail.

One real difference between Solaris 9 and Solaris 10 is that the
sendmail M4 file setup has been moved from /lib/mail to /etc/mail/cf.
In practise, I copy the distribution M4 files to /usr/local/mail and 
work from that copy.  

I will note, and think that Brad and Mark will agree, that given the
predominance of Linux and Postfix on Mailman hosts, there probably is
very little interest among list subscribers for discussion of general
Solaris and sendmail issues.  Both systems are well-supported on
Usenet news groups and sponsoring web sites.  

Hank


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[Mailman-Users] Any way to disable wrapping of the subject header?

[Adam Nielsen]

Hi all,

Mailman seems to like wrapping the e-mail subject when it gets too long 
(78 chars I think.)  Because this causes problems with many common 
e-mail clients (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.) is there any way to disable 
the wrap?


The problem is that after "folding" the line (as RFC822 puts it) Mailman 
uses a tab character to indent the line below.  The RFC states that the 
CRLF+whitespace combination should be replaced by just the whitespace 
character used - and since Mailman uses CRLF+tab, after unfolding we end 
up with a tab character in the middle of the e-mail subject.


Thunderbird displays this using ASCII encoding (so you get a little 
round circle in the middle of the subject) whereas Outlook displays 
nothing at all (so you get people pointing out that you forgot to put a 
space in between those words.)  Some MTAs seem to expand the tab into 
eight spaces, leaving a large gap in the middle of the subject instead.


You can see examples of these in the messages posted to the list 
yesterday, e.g. "Apache,mailman and ScriptAlias - not as documented"


The easiest solution (for me) would be to just disable folding of that 
header, or alternatively to replace the tab with a space, so that e-mail 
clients display a single space as originally intended by the author 
instead of doing something funny with the tab character.


Does anyone know if there's a way to do this, or whereabouts in the code 
I should start looking?


Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Hmm...  My @rutgers.edu and @princeton.edu e-mail addresses both forward to
my Gmail and work fine.

But I do understand the issue now.  I guess I'll just have to see how it
goes...

Thank you for the heads up!

Jeff



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> jeff zemla wrote:
>
> >Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really
> affect
> >me?  I'm not looking for the "be all end all" of spam, as you say.  At
> >least, not spam at large.
>
>
> Yes. It may well affect you.
>
>
> >Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
> >through Gmail.
> >
> >The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out
> messages
> >on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
> >announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.
> >
> >Should I be worried?
>
>
> The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly
> helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services
> like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail
> with valid signatures favorably.
>
> Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the
> signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does
> to the message.
>
> The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes
> to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding
> service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may
> now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is
> that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or
> because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding
> service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was
> unsigned.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Mark Sapiro]

jeff zemla wrote:

>Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really affect
>me?  I'm not looking for the "be all end all" of spam, as you say.  At
>least, not spam at large.


Yes. It may well affect you.


>Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
>through Gmail.
>
>The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages
>on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
>announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.
>
>Should I be worried?


The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly
helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services
like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail
with valid signatures favorably.

Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the
signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does
to the message.

The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes
to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding
service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may
now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is
that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or
because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding
service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was
unsigned.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really affect
me?  I'm not looking for the "be all end all" of spam, as you say.  At
least, not spam at large.

Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
through Gmail.

The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages
on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.

Should I be worried?

Thanks,
Jeff



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> jeff zemla wrote:
>
>  So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
>> your host to install DomainKeys!
>>
>
> DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the
> same bucket.
>
> See my take on SPF at <
> http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/05/spf.html>.  What
> was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

jeff zemla wrote:


So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
your host to install DomainKeys!


DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the 
same bucket.


See my take on SPF at 
.  What 
was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Thanks Brian and Brad.  Thankfully the solution was not so painful.  I
e-mail Hostgator, explained the situation, and asked if I could be moved to
a different server/ip address.

They got back to me quickly, saying:

"I have installed something called DomainKeys on your domains which helps
prevent free email services like yahoo and gmail from marking emails from a
domain as spam."

And he told me a few other things in case that didn't work.  But wouldn't
you know it, it worked perfectly!

So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
your host to install DomainKeys!

Thanks again guys!

Jeff



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> jeff zemla wrote:
>
>  I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to
>> work,
>> which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
>> originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
>> line of text that says "Things will be here shortly") i dont know why
>> gmail
>> would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.
>>
>
> This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential
> spam.  You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for
> generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought
> the domain from hostgator.com).
>
> Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before
> it was re-assigned to you.
>
> There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing
> with, but this should give you some idea.
>
>
> Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard.  Very hard.  Spammers don't care,
> since they just move on to somewhere else.  But for the rest of us, it's a
> real pain.
>
> In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association),
> you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of
> machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists.
>  If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your
> provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be
> able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your
> address.
>
> Another option would be to move your domain and services to another
> provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the
> problems mentioned above.
>
>
> You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for
> their "Safe List" service) or Return Path (for their "Sender Score
> Certified" service).  If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a
> one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all
> appropriate "best practices" requirements, and then that will be that.
>
> If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but
> they'll charge you an annual fee.
>
> Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive.
> Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only
> help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing
> contracts and use the Habeas "Safe List" as a whitelist for incoming e-mail,
> but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of
> SpamAssassin.
>
> Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path,
> by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and
> many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0
> being a probable non-spam message.
>
>  Any ideas?
>>
>
> And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of
> you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

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Vidiot wrote:


Thanks for the info, but the last time I looked, aliases was in /etc,
not /etc/mail.


Depends on your platform.  For Solaris, the aliases have been in 
/etc/mail/aliases for a very, very long time.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

[Brad Knowles]

Hank van Cleef wrote:


In particular, make sure the Mailman configure script finds your local
Python build, not the (older) version included in the Solaris
distribution.  This is the root of the "Korean Codec" problem that
Mark provided a google search link to.


You can easily solve this during the installation by explicitly telling the 
code where to find your particular preferred version of Python.


I've seen this done on sites that had to maintain a half-dozen different 
versions of Python, because different programs were dependent on different 
versions, and it wasn't possible to get the client code updated so you had 
to keep multiple different versions of the language.


I think this is specified with something like:

# make install --with-python=/path/to/your/local/python

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

jeff zemla wrote:


I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work,
which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
line of text that says "Things will be here shortly") i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.


This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential 
spam.  You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for 
generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought 
the domain from hostgator.com).


Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before 
it was re-assigned to you.


There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing 
with, but this should give you some idea.



Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard.  Very hard.  Spammers don't care, 
since they just move on to somewhere else.  But for the rest of us, it's a 
real pain.


In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association), 
you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of 
machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists. 
 If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your 
provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be 
able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your address.


Another option would be to move your domain and services to another 
provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the 
problems mentioned above.



You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for 
their "Safe List" service) or Return Path (for their "Sender Score 
Certified" service).  If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a 
one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all 
appropriate "best practices" requirements, and then that will be that.


If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but 
they'll charge you an annual fee.


Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive. 
Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only 
help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing 
contracts and use the Habeas "Safe List" as a whitelist for incoming e-mail, 
but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of 
SpamAssassin.


Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path, 
by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and 
many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0 
being a probable non-spam message.



Any ideas?


And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

[Vidiot]

>The only "gimmick" specific to running Mailman with sendmail is to
>include the alias pipes for Mailman in /etc/mail/aliases (and run
>newaliases after changing the file).  

Thanks for the info, but the last time I looked, aliases was in /etc,
not /etc/mail.

In any event, thanks for the info.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brian Carpenter]

> Hi all,
> I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but
> couldn't
> find anything.  My apologies if this has been answered 100 times
> before.
> 
> I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman
> installed
> so I can set up a mailing list.  I've used mailman before through my
> University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as
> spam.

You should contact Hostgator's tech support regarding this. What is the IP
address of your hosting account?

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache,

[Hank van Cleef]

The esteemed Mark Sapiro has said:
> 
> Vidiot wrote:
> >
> >Thanks for pointing this out.  I'll go away now and compile the source
> >when I get Sol10 working.  Speaking of that, do you suggest using GNU or
> >Sun Studio to compile the package?
> 
> 
> There are others on this list that can speak to Solaris installation
> about which I know almost nothing.
> 
> The results of
> 
> may interest you.
> 

Installing Python and Mailman on Solaris is pretty straightforward.  I
have done several builds and installs on Solaris 9 and 10, using both
gcc and the Sun compiler.  The installs run with the Sun versions of
sendmail and bind included in the Solaris distribution.   

The choice of compilers primarily affects the Python build.  There is
very little C-language code in Mailman, as it is primarily a Python
application.  I am prejudiced toward using the Sun development system
in general, but haven't developed any solid rationale for using it in
preference to gcc for Python.  You will get a usable, but incomplete,
Python build using either compiler, and I have yet to do a Python
build that will pass all its tests.  As I recall, the Python that
builds without trying to fix any of the Python build script problems for
Solaris is adequate to support the Mailman application.

The PATH environment is critical, and you will have to set this up
properly with a .profile script in the root directory (for using root
to build) and in the /etc/profile script used by users.  My root PATH
reads:
julie:root:# echo $PATH
/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/etc:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/bin:/usr/ucb

In particular, make sure the Mailman configure script finds your local
Python build, not the (older) version included in the Solaris
distribution.  This is the root of the "Korean Codec" problem that
Mark provided a google search link to.  Also make sure that the configure 
scripts find the cc or gcc that you intend to use.  Renaming the
/usr/ucb/cc stub to cc.bsd will help, but Solaris 10 includes a
version of gcc as well, which you may or may not want to use.  
If you want to use the Sun devsys, you'll have to force the configure
scripts not to use gcc with command line arguments.

I create and use the /usr/local directories.  Some System V purists
object to this.  Any objections I've seen are overcome by using a
separate partition for /usr/local.   

In general, follow the Mailman build and installation guide.  When
setting up the mailman account, I find it easiest to use the standard
useradd and then use vipw to configure the passwd and shadow files
correctly.  The shadow file line should read:
mailman:NP:::
Don't "disable" the account, as this will prevent cron from running
the cron scripts.  

The only "gimmick" specific to running Mailman with sendmail is to
include the alias pipes for Mailman in /etc/mail/aliases (and run
newaliases after changing the file).  

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Dragon]

jeff zemla sent the message below at 08:05 6/26/2008:

Hi all,
I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't
find anything.  My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before.

I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed
so I can set up a mailing list.  I've used mailman before through my
University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam.

Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes
into my Gmail spam box.  I don't know why this would happen, as my domain
has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly
reported it as spam.  The header is as follows:

from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
subject: Welcome to the "Artists" mailing list
mailing list: 
mailed-by: domain.com

Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list.

I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work,
which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
line of text that says "Things will be here shortly") i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.

Any ideas?

 End original message. -

It is quite possible that the ISP you are using has hosted domains 
that were a problem and gmail is filtering on the fact that your 
domain is hosted in their IP address block.


It is also quite possible that they are being quite draconian about 
the content of the message.


Either way, the only way you will know for certain what is happening 
is if you contact their technical support (if you can actually get an 
answer out of them, they may well ignore your request too).



Dragon

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[Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Hi all,
I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't
find anything.  My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before.

I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed
so I can set up a mailing list.  I've used mailman before through my
University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam.

Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes
into my Gmail spam box.  I don't know why this would happen, as my domain
has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly
reported it as spam.  The header is as follows:

from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
subject: Welcome to the "Artists" mailing list
mailing list: 
mailed-by: domain.com

Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list.

I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work,
which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
line of text that says "Things will be here shortly") i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Jeff
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Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

[Mark Sapiro]

Karen R McArthur wrote:

>Is there a way to add the web membership management module to the 
>moderator without giving the moderator admin web access?


No.

To persue this as a feature request, see 
(you could add to the "other notes" section).

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[Mailman-Users] feature request

[Karen R McArthur]

Is there a way to add the web membership management module to the 
moderator without giving the moderator admin web access?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] The admin web interface is not saving my changesand keeps asking me to re-enter my password [FIXED]

[Taner Tas]

Hi Mark,

I can login into admin interface but i could not apply any settings on 
admin interface. When I try apply some changes on web interface, it 
redirects me to login page every time again and no settings were applied 
as i checked before.


After realizing the problem is related by Apache's environmental 
settings as described in FAQ 4.65 as you mentioned, then I did necessary 
settings for fix the the problem.


Thank you,
Taner Tas

Mark Sapiro wrote On 25-06-2008 18:34:

Taner Tas wrote:

  
I choose same title of Mailman FAQ 4.45 which describes my problem 
exactly. I checked every suggestion on this FAQ but no one seems 
suitable for fix my problem.




Sorry for asking, but the FAQ itself is not clear. Do you get returned
to a login screen with every attempt to make a change or visit another
link? If so, the appropriate FAQs are 4.65
 and 4.71 .

Have you tried from a different browser or from a different computer
with a different internet connection? Sometimes these things are
dependant on things like local firewalls.

  


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