Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachment URL in the archive is mangled.

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Dale

Mark Sapiro wrote:

There is probably some incompatibility between the 2.1.9 Scrubber.py
and the rest of your installation that threw an exception on mail with
attachments. Check Mailman's error log and shunt queue.


Yes, it was a shot in the dark replacing 2.1.5 Srubber with a 2.1.9
There are a number of errors in the logfile  e.g.

Nov 23 03:05:27 2008 (1800) SHUNTING: 
1227409525.3357961+31e6f6226a3b5cbc4a8dadaf3f4dde064947822e


Nov 23 03:07:07 2008 (1800) uncaught archiver exception at filepos: 0

Nov 23 03:07:07 2008 (1800) Uncaught runner exception: 'module' object 
has no attribute 'SCRUBBER_USE_ATTACHMENT_FILENAME_EXTENSION'



I have been able to duplicate the problem with the 2.1.5 version of
Scrubber.py. I'll try to come up with a simple patch that you can
apply to fix it. 


That would be brilliant!


The issue is as I thought. The scrubbed message is quoted-printable
encoded, but the Content-Transfer-Encoding: header says 8bit and not
quoted-printable so the message is not properly decoded for the
archive.


Yes. Grant Taylor mentioned this. He made reference to format=flow being 
the go, rather that quoted=printable. I confess it's something I don't 
understand. I had thought f=f was something the email client decided.



In my case, I could see other symptoms of this besides just the URL of
the scrubbed attachment. For example, the --  separator before my
signature was rendered as -- = followed by a blank line.


Yes. I saw that also, I was pretending not to. ;-)

cheers
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachment URL in the archive is mangled.

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Dale wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

 I have been able to duplicate the problem with the 2.1.5 version of
 Scrubber.py. I'll try to come up with a simple patch that you can
 apply to fix it. 

That would be brilliant!


It is not clear if you saw my followup post with the patch. It's at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-November/064117.html
in case you missed it.


 The issue is as I thought. The scrubbed message is quoted-printable
 encoded, but the Content-Transfer-Encoding: header says 8bit and not
 quoted-printable so the message is not properly decoded for the
 archive.

Yes. Grant Taylor mentioned this. He made reference to format=flow being 
the go, rather that quoted=printable. I confess it's something I don't 
understand. I had thought f=f was something the email client decided.


Format=flowed and/or quoted-printable encoding are all things decided
by a mail client or in this case by the Python email library.
Scrubber.py is building a new, text/plain message containing the
text/plain parts of the original messages and the notes and URLs for
scrubbed parts. It creates the body by concatenating these parts
separated by the '-- next part --\n' separator.

It then calls an email message method to set this as the message body,
and the email library decides on the appropriate
Content-Transfer-Encoding and sets the appropriate header. The bug in
Scrubber is that it removed that header and replaced it with
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit.

The current email library will create quoted-printable encoded parts
where appropriate, but won't create format=flowed which is a good
thing because the pipermail archiver doesn't understand it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachment URL in the archive is mangled.

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Dale
Hi Mark

Your patch has worked a treat. Thank you very much for your patience and
generosity. Many of us would be a long way up the proverbial creek if it
weren't for your support.

In summary, for those interested:

Using Mailman 2.1.5 - in the Archives, the URL to attachments was being
malformed by it getting wrapped and an = sign inserted at the line break.

This was fixed (albeit lightly tested so far) by replacing, in the
Scrubber.py file, as follows:


OLD CODE

# Now join the text and set the payload
sep = _('-- next part --\n')
del msg['content-type']
msg.set_payload(sep.join(text), charset)
del msg['content-transfer-encoding']
msg.add_header('Content-Transfer-Encoding', '8bit')
return msg


NEW CODE

# Now join the text and set the payload
sep = _('-- next part --\n')
del msg['content-type']
del msg['content-transfer-encoding']
msg.set_payload(sep.join(text), charset)
return msg


cheers
Mark



Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 I have been able to duplicate the problem with the 2.1.5 version of
 Scrubber.py. I'll try to come up with a simple patch that you can
 apply to fix it. It is fixed in recent Scrubber.py versions.
 
 
 I think you'd be better off upgrading your Mailman, but if you want to
 try a patch to the 2.1.5 Scrubber.py, I think this should do it. It is
 only lightly tested, but I think it's OK.
 
 --- Scrubber.py 2008-11-22 20:21:38.37500 -0800
 +++ Scrubberx.py2008-11-22 20:54:47.25000 -0800
 @@ -326,9 +326,8 @@
  # Now join the text and set the payload
  sep = _('-- next part --\n')
  del msg['content-type']
 -msg.set_payload(sep.join(text), charset)
  del msg['content-transfer-encoding']
 -msg.add_header('Content-Transfer-Encoding', '8bit')
 +msg.set_payload(sep.join(text), charset)
  return msg




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving archives to a new list?

2008-11-23 Thread Johnny Stork
Sorry Mark, the problem was between the monitor and the chair.ME!! I 
was not running arch from the mailman bin folder so was running the 
other arch command in /bin. My mistake, all works fine now and archives 
moved.



Thanks for your help

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Johnny Stork wrote:

  
Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately this didnt work completely 
since all the html, attachements etc were not included.




That probably means that for the old list's Non-digest options -
scrub_nondigest was set to Yes, so attachments, HTML, etc. were
removed before the message was archived.

If this is the case, you could do the following:


  
1: Copied archives/private/OLDLIST.mbox/OLDLIST.mbox to 
archives/private/NEWLIST.mbox/NEWLIST.mbox




Yes.

Then run bin/arch --wipe NEWLIST

The problem now is you have to keep the
archives/private/OLDLIST/attachments directory because that's where
the links in the messages to scrubbed attachments point.

Either that or you could first edit
archives/private/NEWLIST.mbox/NEWLIST.mbox before running bin/arch and
change all the OLDLIST URLs to NEWLIST and then after running
bin/arch, move archives/private/OLDLIST/attachments to
archives/private/NEWLIST/attachments.


  

2: Copied everything in archives/private/OLDLIST.ca to archives/N EWLIST.ca

3: Edited archives/private/NEWLIST.ca/pipermail.pck so the basedir is 
now archives/private/NEWLIST.ca




On the other hand, I have no idea what archives/private/OLDLIST.ca
might be.  In standard Mailman there are only two directories per list
in archives/private, and they are archives/private/LISTNAME and
archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox, so You may be dealing with something
about which I know nothing.


  
I could then go to the archives page and see all the old messages just 
fine, but a couple problems persist



1: If I send a message to the NEWLIST, it is processed fine, but the 
archive html pages does not show the new postings?


2: All previous postings in the archives to OLDLIST, where there are 
attachements, still point to the OLDLIST location



Is there any way to at least fix #1? that you know of




#1 could be permissions or anything. Is there anything in Mailman's
error log for these posts?

See above for #2.

  


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[Mailman-Users] Archives Sort Order

2008-11-23 Thread Johnny Stork
Is there any way to force the sort order in the archives to show the 
most recent at the top, rather than at the bottom?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives Sort Order

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Johnny Stork wrote:

Is there any way to force the sort order in the archives to show the 
most recent at the top, rather than at the bottom?


Not without modifying pipermail which would be a daunting task only for
the extremely courageous.

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[Mailman-Users] Template question..

2008-11-23 Thread Butch Evans
I recently set up a searchable archive for my mailman installation 
using the instructions found here: 
http://wpkg.org/Integrating_Mailman_with_a_Swish-e_search_engine


Everything works exactly as expected, but there is one small 
problem.  Every time a new message is posted to any list that 
contains the updated template (which includes the search box), 
mailman will overwrite the archive index page without including the 
code for the search.  An example of what it is supposed to be is 
here: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/.  I have updated 
the template files in /usr/local/mailman/template/en/ and I thought 
this would fix the problem, but it does not appear to do so.


I am not certain if the problem occurs when a message is posted to 
the list or when the swish-e index is redone (I do this hourly via 
cron).  It appears, however, to happen on a new message post.  I 
just need a little assistance in finding how to determine which 
program is using the wrong template page and locating the particular 
template file that needs to be updated.  Any ideas?  FWIW, I updated 
to Mailman 2.1.11 today hoping that would fix the problem, but no 
joy.  :-(


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Template question..

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Butch Evans wrote:

Everything works exactly as expected, but there is one small 
problem.  Every time a new message is posted to any list that 
contains the updated template (which includes the search box), 
mailman will overwrite the archive index page without including the 
code for the search.  An example of what it is supposed to be is 
here: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/.  I have updated 
the template files in /usr/local/mailman/template/en/ and I thought 
this would fix the problem, but it does not appear to do so.


You shouldn't edit /usr/local/mailman/template/en/* templates because
they will be overwritten in an upgrade. You should put the edited
templates in /usr/local/mailman/template/site/en/ (which you have to
create) as discussed in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9.

But that's not the cause of your problem. ArchRunner keeps a cache of
templates, so you need to restart Mailman or at least ArchRunner after
making any changes that affect archive templates. Did you do that?


I am not certain if the problem occurs when a message is posted to 
the list or when the swish-e index is redone (I do this hourly via 
cron).  It appears, however, to happen on a new message post.  I 
just need a little assistance in finding how to determine which 
program is using the wrong template page and locating the particular 
template file that needs to be updated.  Any ideas?  FWIW, I updated 
to Mailman 2.1.11 today hoping that would fix the problem, but no 
joy.  :-(


And did that upgrade replace your edited templates?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Template question..

2008-11-23 Thread Butch Evans

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:

You shouldn't edit /usr/local/mailman/template/en/* templates 
because they will be overwritten in an upgrade. You should put the 
edited templates in /usr/local/mailman/template/site/en/ (which you 
have to create) as discussed in the FAQ at 
http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9.


Ok.  I'll be sure to copy my changes over there.  The page I was 
using didn't state that.  I edited the page (it is a wiki) to 
indicate the requirements you suggested.  After testing the changes 
you suggested, my problem was solved.


But that's not the cause of your problem. ArchRunner keeps a cache 
of templates, so you need to restart Mailman or at least ArchRunner 
after making any changes that affect archive templates. Did you do 
that?


Hmm..Not until I upgraded.  I wonder if the problem still exists 
after I fixed the overwritten templates (I had forgotten to replace 
them with my updated templates until AFTER the restart).



And did that upgrade replace your edited templates?


yes, but I had backups, which I put in the same place.  Thanks for 
the tip.  I truly appreciate your help.


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[Mailman-Users] messages appearing in html when set to txt.

2008-11-23 Thread Adam Morris
hi all.

I have two lists.

a member on both lists can only read messages if i send them from my mail 
client 
in txt.
she is on another mailman list run by someone else and can read all messages 
from that list.

does anyone know what setting may need to be changed on my lists?



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[Mailman-Users] Mass update settings of multiple lists

2008-11-23 Thread Singbartl, Thomas
Hi there,
we have mailman set up to generate (script-controlled) about 60 lists
out of our school management system. Now we figured we have to change
only one parameter, but on every list.
Is there an easy way to update just one setting on multiple lists?
Cheers,
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[Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 12.

2008-11-23 Thread Torsten Terhorst
Dear,

 

i get an error message when i send an email tot he mailman mailinglist:

 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 12.

 

Any idea what I can do?

 

Thank you.

 

 

King regards,

torsten

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[Mailman-Users] How to configure mailing list

2008-11-23 Thread webmaster
Hi all,
 I want to configure mailing list on my domain glug4muz.org. For this
first of all I created an email account with address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Then for testing purpose I sent a mail to this
email account from my personal email account [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the
mail was received in the email account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I
created a mailing list from cpanel with name Mailing_List on the same
domain. Then in the General Options Section of administrative page of
this mailing list, I set the values of list administrator email
addresses as well as list moderator email addresses to the email
address [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also set the values of some other
parameters such as An introductory description and List-specific text
prepended to new-subscriber welcome message. I also checked the box
Acknowledge the member's posting. Then I clicked on Membership
Management and then Mass Subscriptions. Then I subscribed my email
address [EMAIL PROTECTED] to this mailing list. And now when I am
sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from my email address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] then I am NOT getting that mail in email account
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Even I clicked on Go to the general list
information page to go to the URL
http://glug4muz.org/mailman/listinfo/mailing_list_glug4muz.org and then
subscribed my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] to this mailing list. But
now I am NOT receiving any mail on the email address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] So can any one please help me why mail is NOT
being received on the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] after
setting this email address as list administrator email addresses as
well as list moderator email addresses of the mailing list? Please help
me soon so that I can start mailing list on my domain. I will remain
thankful to you all for this forever. You can even visit the
administrative section of this mailing list at the URL
http://glug4muz.org/mailman/admin/mailing_list_glug4muz.org/ with the
password 123456 and then configure it properly so that I can start
receiving mail on my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the
members subscribed to this mailing list.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 12.

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Torsten Terhorst wrote:

i get an error message when i send an email tot he mailman mailinglist:

 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 67, GOT gid 12.


This appears to be a group mismatch error, but it is not the standard
GNU Mailman 2.1 message. It appears to be a Mailman 2.0 message

See the FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/x/LYA9 and
http://wiki.list.org/x/tYA9 for more information on group mismatch
errors.

What the message may be saying is the mail/mailman wrapper was compiled
(or is somehow told) to expect to be invoked by a process (the MTA)
running as group with gid 67, but it is being invoked as group with
gid 12.

How you fix it depends on your MTA and/or how you installed Mailman.

We may be able to help you further, but we'd need a lot more detail
about your Mailman installation and MTA.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to configure mailing list

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I want to configure mailing list on my domain glug4muz.org. For this
first of all I created an email account with address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Then for testing purpose I sent a mail to this
email account from my personal email account [EMAIL PROTECTED] And the
mail was received in the email account [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I
created a mailing list from cpanel with name Mailing_List on the same
domain.


User Mailboxes and Mailman lists can't have the same name.

See http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9 for info about cPanel support.



You can even visit the
administrative section of this mailing list at the URL
http://glug4muz.org/mailman/admin/mailing_list_glug4muz.org/ with the
password ...


I have changed your list password. I will send it to you privately. I
suggest you never again post a list admin password to a public mailing
list unless you want your list to be hijacked by spammers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages appearing in html when set to txt.

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adam Morris wrote:

a member on both lists can only read messages if i send them from my mail 
client 
in txt.
she is on another mailman list run by someone else and can read all messages 
from that list.

does anyone know what setting may need to be changed on my lists?


You would probably get the definitive answer to this from the owner of
that other list, but just as a wild guess, set the following in
Content filtering:

filter_content: Yes

filter_mime_types: Empty

pass_mime_types:
  multipart
  message/rfc822
  text/plain
  text/html

filter_filename_extensions: Defaults OK

pass_filename_extensions: Empty

collapse_alternatives: Yes

convert_html_to_plaintext: Yes



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass update settings of multiple lists

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Singbartl, Thomas wrote:

we have mailman set up to generate (script-controlled) about 60 lists
out of our school management system. Now we figured we have to change
only one parameter, but on every list.
Is there an easy way to update just one setting on multiple lists?


See the FAQ I just wrote on this at http://wiki.list.org/x/MIBp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Template question..

2008-11-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Butch Evans wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:

But that's not the cause of your problem. ArchRunner keeps a cache 
of templates, so you need to restart Mailman or at least ArchRunner 
after making any changes that affect archive templates. Did you do 
that?

Hmm..Not until I upgraded.  I wonder if the problem still exists 
after I fixed the overwritten templates (I had forgotten to replace 
them with my updated templates until AFTER the restart).


So by the time you replaced the overwritten templates, ArchRunner had
probably cached the ones from the 2.1.11 upgrade, so you still
need(ed) to restart Mailman with the edited templates in place,
preferably in /usr/local/mailman/templates/site/en so they won't be
overwritten again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Template question..

2008-11-23 Thread Butch Evans

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Mark Sapiro wrote:

So by the time you replaced the overwritten templates, ArchRunner 
had probably cached the ones from the 2.1.11 upgrade, so you still 
need(ed) to restart Mailman with the edited templates in place, 
preferably in /usr/local/mailman/templates/site/en so they won't be 
overwritten again.


Correct.  I have already moved the changed templates to the new 
(correct) location.  After that I restarted as you suggested and 
bada-BING!  Thanks again for your help.


P.S.
I bookmarked the FAQ again, too.  :-)  I should have looked for it, 
but didn't.  I guess after 16 years as an ISP, I can still act a 
little like a n00b.


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