Re: [Mailman-Users] new-to-the-list question

2009-03-04 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:17:10PM -0700, Evan Perkins wrote:
 I searched the archives, but couldn't find this question answered there. 
  Is there a way, as the list admin for a number of Mailman-run email 
 lists, to find if someone is subscribed to multiple lists?

find_member(8)?

(assuming all the lists are on the same machine/instance)

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[Mailman-Users] Discard mystery

2009-03-04 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn

Hi,

we're running Mailman 2.1.9 and can't upgrade because our Python is too 
old. Today we had an issue with a message that was sent by our secretary to 
our staff list. Her message kept being discarded by Mailman and I can't 
find the reason. The list in question has all filter settings either turned 
off or set to Hold. She sends messages to that list regularly and there 
haven't been problems like that before. She *does* use Outlook 11 as MUA 
and sends her messages as HTML (with multipart/alternative), both of which 
I frown upon, but the MIME filter is off and it's never been a problem 
before. All I can find in the logs are these lines:


Mar 04 12:27:07 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid: 
000301c99cbc$262fa090$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
Mar 04 13:43:43 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid: 
000601c99cc6$d94b05c0$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
Mar 04 13:50:59 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid: 
01c99cc7$dd85d3d0$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
Mar 04 13:56:34 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid: 
01c99cc7$401fca60$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de


That's the same message, resent over and over to no avail. I had her send 
it to me privately and it arrived OK.


Is there any way to figure out why Mailman discarded it? Its content is 
innocuous, so I'd be willing to redirect it to Mark or whoever might be 
interested in investigating this ...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [listname]-bou...@mydomain.com ON BEHALF HELP!!!!!

2009-03-04 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:15:40AM -0800, Wissam Yamout wrote:
 Whenever an email is sent to my list I get this :
 [listname]-bou...@mydomain.com ON BEHALF [email]  in the mail header
 
 Is there a way to get rid of this and put just [email].

ISTR it's an Outlook feature, this seems plausible, given:

Message-ID: 003b01c99d6a$93ba8ae0$bb2fa0...@com
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0

 -- so changing your MUA (not in itself a bad idea...) may help.

There are a couple of things in the list-archive (istr) detailing this.

 Plus how can anyone send emails to the list without the process of
 approving and confirming and stuff I just need visitors to my website
 to be able to send emails to i...@mydomain.com 

I'd imagine the option that's holding mail is generic_nonmember_action

 and I want my employees to get these email. I don’t want the 
 confirmation part and approval part by the visitor.

Why not just use a standard multi-member email alias, or perhaps, if
it's for support stuff, RT [0]?

[0] http://bestpractical.com/rt
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Re: [Mailman-Users] new-to-the-list question

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Adam McGreggor 

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:17:10PM -0700, Evan Perkins wrote:
 I searched the archives, but couldn't find this question answered there. 
  Is there a way, as the list admin for a number of Mailman-run email 
 lists, to find if someone is subscribed to multiple lists?

find_member(8)?


Yes, bin/find_member will do it, but it requires shell access. For a
list admin without such access, the answer is no. The user can list
all her subscriptions on the same host (domain) from the her options
page, but a list admin is not allowed.

An admin of multiple lists can check the membership lists of each list,
but that's all.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [listname]-bou...@mydomain.com ON BEHALF HELP!!!!!

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Wissam Yamout wrote:

Whenever an email is sent to my list I get this : 
[listname]-bou...@mydomain.com ON BEHALF [email]  in the mail header

 

Is there a way to get rid of this and put just [email].


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9.


Plus how can anyone send emails to the list without the process of approving 
and confirming and stuff I just need visitors to my website to be able to send 
emails to i...@mydomain.com and I want my employees to get these email. I 
don’t want the confirmation part and approval part by the visitor.

 

How can I do that?


As Adam indicates, set Privacy options... - Sender filters -
generic_nonmember_action to Accept.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New User - Cant send to new list

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mitch Gore wrote:

I am trying to set up a mailman server and having some real difficulties.

Details:
Using CentOS 5.2
MTA = Postfix

I have postfix working, i can log into my user and send and receive
messages.  I then installed mailman and started configuring based on
this page:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=453178postcount=2

I created a list named test. Now, i logged into the web interface and
added some users, all seemed well.

Then from my postfix mailbox (who is a member/admin) i sent a message
to the list.

I get this bounce back:

t...@xx.org: Command died with status 6:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman  test mailman. Command output: Illegal
command: test

From my research it appears I have some issue with postfix and mailman
but im not sure.  Can you please help?


Your aliases are wrong. You have

test: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman  test mailman

That should be

test: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test

You can avoid dealing with manual aliases all together by following
http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard mystery

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
 
 we're running Mailman 2.1.9 and can't upgrade because our Python is too
 old. Today we had an issue with a message that was sent by our secretary
 to our staff list. Her message kept being discarded by Mailman and I
 can't find the reason. The list in question has all filter settings
 either turned off or set to Hold. She sends messages to that list
 regularly and there haven't been problems like that before. She *does*
 use Outlook 11 as MUA and sends her messages as HTML (with
 multipart/alternative), both of which I frown upon, but the MIME filter
 is off and it's never been a problem before. All I can find in the logs
 are these lines:
 
 Mar 04 12:27:07 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid:
 000301c99cbc$262fa090$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
 Mar 04 13:43:43 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid:
 000601c99cc6$d94b05c0$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
 Mar 04 13:50:59 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid:
 01c99cc7$dd85d3d0$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de
 Mar 04 13:56:34 2009 (20263) Message discarded, msgid:
 01c99cc7$401fca60$2c515...@ad.unikoeln.de


One thing that could be doing this given what you've said is if
Non-digest options - scrub_nondigest is Yes, the message is HTML only
(not multipart/alternative) and ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 0

Another possibility is header_filter_rules with a Discard action.


 That's the same message, resent over and over to no avail. I had her
 send it to me privately and it arrived OK.
 
 Is there any way to figure out why Mailman discarded it? Its content is
 innocuous, so I'd be willing to redirect it to Mark or whoever might be
 interested in investigating this ...

If the above is not the answer, send me the raw message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard mystery

2009-03-04 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn

--On 4. März 2009 06:32:52 -0800 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:


One thing that could be doing this given what you've said is if
Non-digest options - scrub_nondigest is Yes,


It's not.


the message is HTML only
(not multipart/alternative)


It's not.


and ARCHIVE_HTML_SANITIZER = 0


It's not.


Another possibility is header_filter_rules with a Discard action.


Nope: header_filter_rules = []


Is there any way to figure out why Mailman discarded it? Its content is
innocuous, so I'd be willing to redirect it to Mark or whoever might be
interested in investigating this ...


If the above is not the answer, send me the raw message.


Will do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New User - Cant send to new list

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mitch Gore wrote:

Basically I am creating a list with 30,000 or so members to my prof
organization.  I want the list owner to be able to send email to the
list but not other members.  If a member reply i want it to goto a
separate i...@domain.com mailbox.  I cant seem to find these settings.


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Discard mystery SOLVED

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
 --On 4. März 2009 06:32:52 -0800 Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 If the above is not the answer, send me the raw message.
 
 Will do.


It turns out the message was some kind of edit of a prior list message
and when it was sent to the list, it still contained Mailman's original
X-BeenThere: header for the list causing it to be discarded as a
'looping mail'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim

Jim Savoy wrote:

I did check out a couple of the lists that had outstanding 
digest.mboxes and found that they didn't have any subscribers with the

digest option checked.


Mark Sapiro wrote:

But, assuming this is a more or less standard Mailman (2.1.5), even if 
no one is subscribed to the digest, when cron/senddigests runs, the 
digests should still be prepared and the digest.mbox unlinked, even if 
there are ultimately no recipients. The only thing that affects this is

if the list's digestable setting is No, and all this does is keep from 
creating the digest.mbox in the first place.

All of our lists are digestable (that's the default). I did run one of
your
scripts once-upon-a-time to see how many digest members we had, and
there
were a few dozen.

Unfortunately, I'm still in the state that the only time a digest goes
out
is when it exceeds 30K in size.


Did you run it from cron or by hand. If by hand, did you run it as
'mailman' and did it produce any output? If from cron, and it produced
any
output, the output was probably mailed to 'mailman' which is probably
the
'mailman' list, and where does it go from there?

Ran it by cron. I don't see any activity at all when it runs (when I ran
the checkdbs program, python lead the way when I did a top, but
nothing
seems to happen when I run senddigests).

There was also no output sent to the mailman mailing list (I am the
owner
and only subscriber on that list, and it accepts mail from anyone).

Nothing in the Mailman logs either.

Note: it is a good idea to put a MAILTO= at the beginning of Mailman's
crontab to direct any mailed output to a good place. There is normally
only mailed output if something goes wrong.

Can you give me the exact syntax of that Mark? I am not sure what you
mean
or how I would do that. I did a man on cron but don't see anything
there
about MAILTO. Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Savoy, Jim wrote:

Ran it by cron. I don't see any activity at all when it runs (when I ran
the checkdbs program, python lead the way when I did a top, but
nothing
seems to happen when I run senddigests).


Try

su mailman
cron/senddigests

It probably won't be any different, but it's worth a try. If it does
nothing, what is the contents of the cron/senddigests script. There
appears to be something wrong with it. You could compare it to
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/annotate/419/cron/senddigests
to see if you have any modifications.


There was also no output sent to the mailman mailing list (I am the
owner
and only subscriber on that list, and it accepts mail from anyone).

Nothing in the Mailman logs either.

Note: it is a good idea to put a MAILTO= at the beginning of Mailman's
crontab to direct any mailed output to a good place. There is normally
only mailed output if something goes wrong.

Can you give me the exact syntax of that Mark? I am not sure what you
mean
or how I would do that. I did a man on cron but don't see anything
there
about MAILTO. Thanks.

You can set environment variables in a crontab via

VARIABLE = value

(whitespace around = is optional). See man 5 crontab. By default,
cron mails any output to the 'owner' of the crontab, but if you set
MAILTO, e.g.

mailto=u...@example.com

or

MAILTO=localuser

any output will go there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim
Mark Sapiro wrote:

Thanks for the MAILTO info.

Try

su mailman
cron/senddigests


Boom. That worked. All (but 3) of the 501 digest.mboxes are gone
now and I got a delivery from the list I am a digest member of.
It ran rather quickly too (1 minute flat).

If/when we resolve this, I guess I'll have to start a new thread on
why those 3 didn't go away.  :-)

So obviously, this has something to do with this being run from cron.
You would think all of it would fail though (the checkdbs stuff runs
fine from cron).

It probably won't be any different, but it's worth a try. If it does
nothing, what is the contents of the cron/senddigests script. There
appears to be something wrong with it. You could compare it to
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/annotate/419/cr
on/senddigests
to see if you have any modifications.

These were identical.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Savoy, Jim wrote:

If/when we resolve this, I guess I'll have to start a new thread on
why those 3 didn't go away.  :-)


Are they for lists that had a post arrive during or immediately after
the time the digest was sent? In other words do they just contain
messages waiting for the next digest?


So obviously, this has something to do with this being run from cron.
You would think all of it would fail though (the checkdbs stuff runs
fine from cron).


What does crontab -u mailman -l show?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim
Mark Sapiro wrote:

Try

su mailman
cron/senddigests


Since we are trying to troubleshoot a very mysterious problem, I should
include all of the information I have. When I ran senddigest by hand (as
user mailman), I did get a warning:

[mailman cron]$ ./senddigests 
/mail/mailman/pythonlib/korean/c/euc_kr.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C
API version mismatch for module _koco: This Python has API version 1012,
module _koco has version 1011.
  import _koco


It carried on anyway after that, but perhaps that is what causes cron to
fail.
As I said, when it is run by cron, I don't see anything when I do a
top and
there doesn't seem to by any activity at all, so perhaps it's instantly
failing
because of this Python koco warning. I didn't get anything mailed to me
when I
added the MAILTO though...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim
 Jim Savoy wrote:

So obviously, this has something to do with this being run from cron.
You would think all of it would fail though (the checkdbs stuff runs
fine from cron).

Hmmm - the above may not be true. Checkdbs did not run this morning.

Mark Sapiro wrote:

What does crontab -u mailman -l show?

I think you nailed it. This is different from cron/crontab.in. The
latest
changes I made are not reflected. So am I supposed to do the:

   cd mailman/cron
   crontab -u mailman crontab.in

every time I make a change to the crontab.in file? I believe that was
the
very first question I asked when I started this thread. :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Tim Bell

Savoy, Jim wrote:

I didn't get anything mailed to me when I added the MAILTO though...


Divide and conquer.  First get a dead simple cron job working, maybe one 
that runs every few minutes and does something like:


  date  /tmp/foo-cron; echo done

Once that is working and you are receiving cron notification emails and 
cron logs to look at, then work on getting a cron entry for the 
senddigests job running.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim
Savoy, Jim wrote:

If/when we resolve this, I guess I'll have to start a new thread on
why those 3 didn't go away.  :-)

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Are they for lists that had a post arrive during or immediately after
the time the digest was sent? In other words do they just contain
messages waiting for the next digest?

Two of them yes, but the other two no. I will deal with this later and
Start a new thread if they don't go out tomorrow.

What does crontab -u mailman -l show?

I re-ran the crontab -u mailman crontab.in and my changes have been
reflected. The old edit-the-source-code-and-forget-to-recompile problem!

All is well now. Thanks for your patience.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Savoy, Jim wrote:

Since we are trying to troubleshoot a very mysterious problem, I should
include all of the information I have. When I ran senddigest by hand (as
user mailman), I did get a warning:

[mailman cron]$ ./senddigests 
/mail/mailman/pythonlib/korean/c/euc_kr.py:24: RuntimeWarning: Python C
API version mismatch for module _koco: This Python has API version 1012,
module _koco has version 1011.
  import _koco


That says Python has been updated since Mailman was last installed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Savoy, Jim wrote:

I think you nailed it. This is different from cron/crontab.in. The
latest
changes I made are not reflected. So am I supposed to do the:

   cd mailman/cron
   crontab -u mailman crontab.in

every time I make a change to the crontab.in file? I believe that was
the
very first question I asked when I started this thread. :-)


Yes, it was one of the first questions you asked, and it went
unanswered, but now you know.

Mailman's crontab is /var/spool/cron/mailman.

crontab -u mailman crontab.in

copies crontab.in to /var/spool/cron/mailman, but creates no other link
between them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Savoy, Jim wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Are they for lists that had a post arrive during or immediately after
the time the digest was sent? In other words do they just contain
messages waiting for the next digest?

Two of them yes, but the other two no. I will deal with this later and
Start a new thread if they don't go out tomorrow.

For the two old ones, be sure to check the list's digest_send_periodic
setting.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] New crontab query: senddigests

2009-03-04 Thread Savoy, Jim

Savoy, Jim wrote:

Two of them yes, but the other two no.

Mark Sapiro wrote:

For the two old ones, be sure to check the list's digest_send_periodic
setting.

Right. That was the difference. They are the only two that say NO to
this query.

Thanks for everything, Mark.

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[Mailman-Users] access from a corporate network environment

2009-03-04 Thread Dr. Scott S. Jones
Is there any way to enable my mailman installation so that I can access it
as admin from behind a corporate firewall? 

Scott

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[Mailman-Users] access from a corporate network environment

2009-03-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Dr. Scott S. Jones writes:

  Is there any way to enable my mailman installation so that I can access it
  as admin from behind a corporate firewall? 

That depends on what the firewall firewalls.  Try accessing the admin
page from behind the firewall.  If it works, you're golden.  If not,
you're going to have to talk to the firewall admin and find out
whether that's OK with them.  If it's not, you'll be in heap big
trouble if they find you masquerading Mailman as some other protocol,
most likely.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] access from a corporate network environment

2009-03-04 Thread Grant Taylor

On 3/4/2009 8:29 PM, Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote:
Is there any way to enable my mailman installation so that I can 
access it as admin from behind a corporate firewall?


Which is behind (inside) the firewall, you or Mailman?

Just to confirm, you are wanting to access the Mailman administrative 
web page(s) and not the SMTP server that is hosting the Mailman email 
addresses, correct?


Either way Stephen is right, you will most likely need the blessing of 
the firewall admin(s).




Grant. . . .
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