Re: [Mailman-Users] Target individual list member with sub-addressing when sending?

[Brad Knowles]

on 4/28/09 1:14 AM, Charles Rosenberg said:


After receiving a message through the “reply-to” address, I want the
original poster to be able to send a single message back to the
“replier,” possibly answering some question.  Problem: I can’t have
the “poster” know the individual address of the “replier,” nor can I
have the “replier” know the direct address of the “poster.”  Would it
be possible to use some sort of sub-addressing, extended addressing,
plus addressing, etc. to send a message to an individual subscriber
based on a “subscriber” username or something?  For example sending
to australia+kenyamagu...@lists.seishinonline.jp would cause the
e-mail to only go to the subscriber associated with “KenYamaguchi”
and NOT the whole list.  This way, neither side knows the other’s
“direct mail address.” Is this possible?  Thanks in advance.


You're talking about something we call an "anonymizer".  Mailman can do 
that to a limited degree, but only in one direction -- you permanently 
strip out the identifiable information about the sender, and then post 
the message to the list.  There's no way to get that information back.


If you want a two-way anonymizing system, that is something you would 
have to implement outside of Mailman.  There are such systems in 
existence elsewhere, but it is very tricky to get these sorts of things 
right, and you really want to make sure you do get them right in cases 
like this -- you don't want some stalker to be able to get information 
about host families or prospective students and then be able to use that 
to cause harm to them.


I'd suggest that you go find some of those two-way anonymizing systems 
and you talk to them about how you might be able to set them up 
alongside a mailing list system, and how they could potentially be used 
in conjunction with the mailing list system.


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[Mailman-Users] message about probes

[Gruver, Sandi]

>From the mailman server's Logwatch program:

A total of 1 sites probed the server
  62.1.205.86

 2 possible successful probes
 
/mailman/private/sqlhelp///includes/session.php?baseDir=../../../../../../../../etc/passwd
 HTTP Response 200
 
/mailman/admin///includes/session.php?baseDir=../../../../../../../../etc/passwd
 HTTP Response 200

Is this likely a probe only or a notification of a compromise?


Thank you,





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[Mailman-Users] Adding a description to the "-bounces" address

[Ralph Prichard]

This seems like such a simple thing that I'm sure it's described 
somewhere, but after searching the archives and Google I haven't had any 
success in finding it.


We have some Outlook users, and as this FAQ describes...

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/From+field+displayed+by+Microsoft+Outlook

...they see the Sender info glued to the From info.

Please note:  we're perfectly happy with the -bounces address 
itself (I mention that because my searches turned up several people 
asking if it was possible to change.)


All I'd like to know is if it's possible to add a descriptive string to 
that address.  In other words, configure the Sender line to be something 
like...


Sender:  The Interesting Example List 

...instead of what it apparently is now...

Sender:  example-boun...@example.com

Even just being able to insert the "description" value from the General 
Options page would help.


Thanks,

Ralph

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[Mailman-Users] Target individual list member with sub-addressing when sending?

[Charles Rosenberg]

Hello all.  I am new here, but trying my best to learn as much as possible.  I 
searched far and wide through the Internet/FAQ and archives, but I think my 
question is rather unique.

 

My Setup:

Ubuntu 9.04 with newest Postfix and Dovcot running

 

The steps I took and have done are as follows:

 

1. I have a list setup for a very small number of subscribers – 10 to 20 
max.

2. The mailing list address is austra...@lists.seishinonline.jp (It’s for a 
group of people hosting some students from Austrailia)

3. Only one or two addresses can post to the list.  All other mailings will 
be rejected.

4. I have it setup to never show the “poster’s” address, instead using the 
mailing list address.

5. In addition to number 4, I setup a special “reply-to” address where all 
replies should go to.

6. Because the vast majority of the subscribers will be using their 
cell-phones’ built-in capability for e-mail, I found out step 5 actually won’t 
work for them. (Yay Japan…)

7. Because of 6, I created a re-write rule in Postfix to force all the 
From: headers to be the “reply-to” address.

8. The “reply-to” address is set to forward the e-mails to the original 
list “poster” inside of Postfix. 

 

 

Up to this point, everything works ok.  My question is:

After receiving a message through the “reply-to” address, I want the original 
poster to be able to send a single message back to the “replier,” possibly 
answering some question.  Problem: I can’t have the “poster” know the 
individual address of the “replier,” nor can I have the “replier” know the 
direct address of the “poster.”  Would it be possible to use some sort of 
sub-addressing, extended addressing, plus addressing, etc. to send a message to 
an individual subscriber based on a “subscriber” username or something?  For 
example sending to australia+kenyamagu...@lists.seishinonline.jp would cause 
the e-mail to only go to the subscriber associated with “KenYamaguchi” and NOT 
the whole list.  This way, neither side knows the other’s “direct mail 
address.” Is this possible?  Thanks in advance.

 

chuckyrose

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[Mailman-Users] How can I fix a normal answer? - More

[alexander]

Hi.

I've forgotten to say:

Yes, I've put the line in /etc/transport and have run postmap:

listas.sitemaldito.com.br   mailman:

[]'s
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[Mailman-Users] How can I fix a normal answer?

[alexander]

Hi everyone.

Excuse my English.

I have finished the installation of a Mailman 2.1.12.

I did all the configurations and when I send a email to a list, the  
Postfix tell me that everything was right, but... nothing happens.


Here's my maillog:

## BEGIN
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: accepted connection
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: login:  
ip-72-167-96-162.ip.secureserver.net [127.0.0.1]  
alexan...@nautae.eti.br PLAIN User logged in
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/pickup[1772]: A362CC233CE:  
uid=48 from=
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/cleanup[13518]: A362CC233CE:  
message-id=<20090427153604.18274lqjyfr1r...@www.nautae.eti.br>
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/qmgr[1767]: A362CC233CE:  
from=, size=822, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 27 14:36:04 ip-72-167-96-162 imap[26018]: seen_db: user  
alexan...@nautae.eti.br opened  
/var/lib/imap/domain/n/nautae.eti.br/user/a/alexander.seen
Apr 27 14:36:05 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/pipe[13520]: A362CC233CE:  
to=, relay=mailman, delay=0.67,  
delays=0.02/0.07/0/0.57, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via mailman  
service)

Apr 27 14:36:05 ip-72-167-96-162 postfix/qmgr[1767]: A362CC233CE: removed
## END

So... could you see the "(delivered via mailman service)"?

And no errors after...

What's happens here?

I'm using postfix-to-mailman.py script.

I've put "MTA=None" inside the mm_cfg.py.

How can I log more information to try to fix the complete silence of  
my system?


Here is more information:

main.cf

virtual_mailbox_domains = hash:${config_directory}/virtual_domains
virtual_alias_maps = hash:${config_directory}/virtual_alias
virtual_mailbox_maps = ${virtual_alias_maps}
sender_canonical_maps = hash:${config_directory}/sender_canonical
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
...
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/saslpass
...
mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp
virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp
recipient_delimiter = +
owner_request_special = no
relay_domains = listas.sitemaldito.com.br
transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport
relayhost = k2smtpout.secureserver.net
myhostname = ip-72-167-96-162.ip.secureserver.net
mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1


master.cf:

mailman unix  -   n   n   -   -   pipe
  flags=FR user=mailman
  argv=/usr/local/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${mailbox}


Thanks to any help.
[]'s
Alexander
Brazil - Rio de Janeiro


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Switching to UTF-8 and strange unicoded emailaccounts in member lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Ulf Dunkel wrote:
>
>But now I ran into that miraculous email encoding error (emails listed 
>with u'n...@domain.tld') which can be detected using withlist as 
>recommended by Mark, running the Python commands:
>
>$ bin/withlist listname
> >>> for mem in m.getMembers():
>...   print repr(m.getMemberCPAddress(mem))


bin/list_members --unicode

would also find them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to remove a damaged email address from amailing list

[Mark Sapiro]

Ulf Dunkel wrote:

>When I checked my mailing list member email addresses, I came across an 
>email account which contains a colon (:), which shouldn't be there of 
>course.



See the FAQ at .


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[Mailman-Users] How to remove a damaged email address from a mailing list

[Ulf Dunkel]

When I checked my mailing list member email addresses, I came across an 
email account which contains a colon (:), which shouldn't be there of 
course.


I am quite sure that I should add some email syntax check to my own 
subscription script. But now I have this email in a list and it won't 
go, whatever I try.


It looks like this:

name:familyn...@domain.tld

How can I get rid of it?

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[Mailman-Users] Switching to UTF-8 and strange unicoded email accounts in member lists

[Ulf Dunkel]

Hello Mark et al.

Please let me note some remarks on my experiences while switching to 
UTF-8 for Mailman first:


I have now finally managed to switch my Mailman 2.1.9 to UTF-8. I found 
many helpful hints and comments in this mailing list and want to thank 
you all for your great work.


But now I ran into that miraculous email encoding error (emails listed 
with u'n...@domain.tld') which can be detected using withlist as 
recommended by Mark, running the Python commands:


$ bin/withlist listname
>>> for mem in m.getMembers():
...   print repr(m.getMemberCPAddress(mem))

This indeed listed some strange email addresses and I have NO idea why, 
except that I used to use different iso encodings for my own email 
script before.


I fixed all them by doing this:

a) mailto:listname-requ...@mydomain.tld who list-password
b) mass unsubscribed ALL members from the relevant list (quietly)
b) mass subscribed ALL members using the who reply list

Then all emails were listed properly when I re-checked everything. Now 
all lists run fine (again) and I wonder if the current stable 2.1.12 
does already have more "built-in" UTF-8 stuff. Can't wait to update my 
Debian Etch server to get my hands on the current Mailman version.


Maybe my notes can help some other Mailman users out there.

Best regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] list error ..

[Mark Sapiro]

Khalil Abbas wrote:
>
>I have 6 lists on the same server posting to them onced daily .. but nearly 
>half the members are not being sent to.. when going to web interface, there's 
>a specific list (let's call it list5) always gives an error: bug in mailman 
>when going to membership list .. on SSH server side, the list_members works, 
>but on sending the command:
>
> 
>
>./list_members --nomail list5, I get this error:
>
> 
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./list_members", line 286, in ?
>main()
>  File "./list_members", line 262, in main
>if nomail and not whymatches(mlist, addr, why):
>  File "./list_members", line 138, in whymatches
>status = mlist.getDeliveryStatus(addr)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in 
> getDeliveryStatus
>self.__assertIsMember(member)
>  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in 
> __assertIsMember
>raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
>Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: samloutyAyahoo.com


The FAQ at  may help.

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[Mailman-Users] list error ..

[Khalil Abbas]

hi,

 

I have 6 lists on the same server posting to them onced daily .. but nearly 
half the members are not being sent to.. when going to web interface, there's a 
specific list (let's call it list5) always gives an error: bug in mailman when 
going to membership list .. on SSH server side, the list_members works, but on 
sending the command:

 

./list_members --nomail list5, I get this error:

 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./list_members", line 286, in ?
main()
  File "./list_members", line 262, in main
if nomail and not whymatches(mlist, addr, why):
  File "./list_members", line 138, in whymatches
status = mlist.getDeliveryStatus(addr)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 139, in 
getDeliveryStatus
self.__assertIsMember(member)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in 
__assertIsMember
raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: samloutyAyahoo.com

 

note that the --nomail option works on all other lists..

 

How to fix this error ??

 

Thanks ..

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What does this message mean?

[Mark Sapiro]

James Reid wrote:
>
>I have one single user on one of my lists whose posts regularly (though not
>always) result in her messages coming to me as list owner with the following
>message:
>
> 
>
>The attached message has been automatically discarded.
>
> 
>
>As far as I can see:
>
>-  The user is sending from a subscribed address (only subscribers
>can send to the list)


This only occurs if the list's forward_auto_discards is set to Yes and
the post is from a non-member and either the posters address matches
discard_these_nonmembers or generic_nonmember_action is discard.

Thus, The address she is sending from is not a list member. It may look
like a member address but be subtly different, e.g. j@example.com
or j...@mail.example.com where the subscribed address is
j@mail.example.com, but Mailman must see this as a non-member post
to forward it to you in this way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What does this message mean?

[Adam McGreggor]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:31:05PM +1000, James Reid wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have one single user on one of my lists whose posts regularly (though not
> always) result in her messages coming to me as list owner with the following
> message:
> 
> The attached message has been automatically discarded.
> 
> As far as I can see:
> 
> -  The user is sending from a subscribed address (only subscribers
> can send to the list)
> 
> -  The message is not too big

If you have access to the Mailman logs, what do they suggest/inform (I'd
probably grep for the sender's email address, and pipe it through less)

> The only thing that I can guess might be a problem is that the user is
> renown for bcc'ing quite a few others in her posts, but I can't see how that
> could affect things (the other addresses would have disappeared by the time
> it got to my mailman server - the user is on the internet)

Do you have the 'require_explicit_destination' option set, and is she
bcc'ing the list's address?

Apart from that, I'd check the senders' address isn't listed in any of
the other specific action lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What does this message mean?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:31:05 +1000 schrieb/wrote James Reid:

>I have one single user on one of my lists whose posts regularly (though not
>always) result in her messages coming to me as list owner with the following
>message:
>
> 
>
>The attached message has been automatically discarded.

html attachment instead of multipart or stuff like that?

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[Mailman-Users] What does this message mean?

[James Reid]

Hi Everyone,

 

I have one single user on one of my lists whose posts regularly (though not
always) result in her messages coming to me as list owner with the following
message:

 

The attached message has been automatically discarded.

 

As far as I can see:

-  The user is sending from a subscribed address (only subscribers
can send to the list)

-  The message is not too big

 

The only thing that I can guess might be a problem is that the user is
renown for bcc'ing quite a few others in her posts, but I can't see how that
could affect things (the other addresses would have disappeared by the time
it got to my mailman server - the user is on the internet)

 

Can someone give me some suggestion on what the problem might be?

 

Thanks!

James.

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