Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests more than once a day ... What determines it?
Nevermind. I don¹t know how I didn¹t see this before ... I literally started systematically Ctrl-F¹ing every page of my mailman admin page, and even got so far as looking at the non-digest options, before I saw the digest options page. (smacks self in forehead) Thanks anyway, ttyl. On 5/4/09 1:36 PM, Edward Harvey edward.har...@lyricsemiconductor.com wrote: I¹m aware ³If you turn digest mode on, you'll get posts bundled together (usually one per day but possibly more on busy lists)² But one of my users (the CEO) just asked me and forwarded messages - he got a separate digest for each email that went to a list, at 11:33am, 11:38am, and 11:45am today. This seems excessive, so I¹d like to know ... Under what circumstances will a digest be created more than daily? Is it configurable? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Digests more than once a day ... What determines it?
I¹m aware ³If you turn digest mode on, you'll get posts bundled together (usually one per day but possibly more on busy lists)² But one of my users (the CEO) just asked me and forwarded messages - he got a separate digest for each email that went to a list, at 11:33am, 11:38am, and 11:45am today. This seems excessive, so I¹d like to know ... Under what circumstances will a digest be created more than daily? Is it configurable? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Robot Tag
John Webb wrote: I am still confused about the source of the Meta Tag META NAME=robots CONTENT=noindex,follow . Our archive indexes have the noindex,follow tag, but the pages for each message have index, nofollow. We want our archives to be available for unrestricted spidering and indexing throughout all of the pages. What do we need to do to enable the correct tag in our html? What exactly does the follow or nofollow part of it do? The tags that are there are the appropriate ones. Brad Rogers has explained (no)follow, but the idea is that when searching for keywords, you don't want to hit words in subjects on the index pages; you want to hit the posts themselves, so the index pages have noindex,follow to not index that page but to follow the links to the actual posts. The posts themselves have index,nofollow so that they are indexed, but links within them to other posts or to external sites are not followed. If you feel these are not appropriate, you can always change or remove them by editing the archidxhead.html, archtoc.html, archtocnombox.html and article.html templates http://wiki.list.org/x/jYA9. On a different topic I see several threads and methods concerning the use of search engines for searching the archives. What would be the most simple way for us to add a way for users to search for keywords in our archives? The following form will submit a Google search for the entered words restricted to the public archive for LISTNAME at the site lists.example.com form action=http://www.google.com/search; input name=q type=hidden value=site:lists.example.com input name=q type=hidden value=inurl:pipermail/LISTNAME input maxlength=2048 name=q size=20 title=Google Search value= input name=btnG type=submit value=Search /form This could be added to the appropriate templates, e.g. archidxhead.html, archtoc.html and archtocnombox.html. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] email interface question -- list of mailing listsyou own
Tom Gerhardt wrote: Is there an email command to get the names of mailing lists you own? No. Is there an email command to get the names and owner names of mailing lists on our system? No, but there are command line tools bin/list_lists, bin/list_admins and bin/list_owners. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent users from making changes to (their)DLs
Marcos Breguez wrote: We want to take a snapshot of all lists and members in Mailman. So how can we prevent the current lists from being changed while being functional? You can't. If Mailman (mailmanctl) and/or the web server are running, lists can be changed. If you want a guaranteed stable snapshot, you have to stop your web server or at least reload it with a config that doesn't include the Mailman CGI aliases (ScriptAlias in apache) and stop Mailman while you take the snapshot. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Email commands to list-requests
Mailman version 2.1.11 on a hosted service ... As far as I can tell by experimentation, the email admin commands (such as who to get a membership list) work only when they are in the subject line of the request. The command is not recognized in the body of the message, even if it is the only content in the body of the message and even if there is no subject line in the message. Is this the intended behavior? I'm setting up a cron job to backup my mailing list membership rosters, because I do not have access to the Mailman commandline tools on the hosting server. I'd prefer not to put the owner/moderator password in the Subject: line, if possible. Granted, putting the password in the message body is not terribly secure. But subject lines get logged by transit MTAs, at least some of the time; message bodies rarely get logged. (As an aside: the emailed command in message body works with MajorDomo.) Thanks, Beau -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Email commands to list-requests
Beau James wrote: Mailman version 2.1.11 on a hosted service ... As far as I can tell by experimentation, the email admin commands (such as who to get a membership list) work only when they are in the subject line of the request. The command is not recognized in the body of the message, even if it is the only content in the body of the message and even if there is no subject line in the message. Is this the intended behavior? No. Commands should be recognized in the message body provided that they are in a text/plain message part and they are not preceded by a non-blank, non-command. If you are not seeing the commands at all in the processed or ignored sections of the report, you are probably sending them in an HTML only message or your hosting provider has disabled commands in the body somehow. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] No Admin Notification
J.R. Constance wrote: I am having a problem with one of my lists where the administrators are not being notified of posts awaiting approval. This list is set right now to Emergency moderation so all posts are being held, but neither I nor the other administrator are receiving notifications of held messages. List admins are intentionally not notified of holds for emergency moderation. The doc string from the Emergency.py handler - Put an emergency hold on all messages otherwise approved. No notices are sent to either the sender or the list owner for emergency holds. I think they'd be too obnoxious. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Line Wrapping - on/off by list.
Drew Tenenholz wrote: I have a request to change the line-wrapping for Mailman on some lists but not others. Is it possible? I have looked at the FAQ and list help and found articles http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-June/037650.html and http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030605focusedCommentId=6094850#comment-6094850 which make it clear that the line-wrapping can be changed via the parameter 'raw' when calling the functions findtext() and maketext() in /mailman/Mailman/Utils.py. It seems to me that setting raw='true' works on ALL lists served, not a specific list. It also seems that it is easily possible to change line-wrapping on a language-by-language basis. Is there a way to make this work on a list-by-list basis? I'm not a python expert, but since python is quasi-human-readable, it seems to me that I should be able to specify which list(s) I want to wrap and which ones not. Any ideas on how to go about doing that? Please be more specific about what it is you're asking. The functions findtext() and maketext() in /mailman/Mailman/Utils.py only have to do with retrieving and formatting actual template text. They have nothing to do with the wrapping of message text in posts, digests or archives. The FAQ comments you reference above have to do with adding style information for the pre tag in archive articles by editing the archive.html template. If this is what you're after, then yes, you can make list specific templates, e.g. lists/LISTNAME/en/article.html. Note that if you do change the article.html template to add style info for a list or lists, you need to then rebuild the archive with bin/arch --wipe for it to be effective for existing posts in the archive. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with bounce processing after upgrade toFedora 10
Derek Atkins wrote: I recently migrated some mailing lists from a Fedora 7 system to a new system running Fedora 10. Ever since the migration I've received a ton of bounce messages into my personal email due to bounced mailing-list reminder messages. The bounce messages look pretty normal to me (an example is available at http://www.ihtfp.org/mailman-bounce.txt) so I don't understand why it's winding up in my personal inbox. See the post at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-February/064911.html for why this is happening and what to do about it. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] email interface question -- list of mailing listsyou own
On 2009.05.04 11:30:12 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
[...]
Is there an email command to get the names and owner names of mailing lists
on our system?
No, but there are command line tools bin/list_lists, bin/list_admins
and bin/list_owners.
A little more help:
for list in $(/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists -b -a); do
echo -n ${i}:
echo $(/path/to/mailman/bin/list_owners ${i});
done
Which will give you output like:
list: space separated list of owners
list2: space separated list of owners
...
Hope that helps.
--Robert
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Re: [Mailman-Users] alternative to setgid
Renee wrote: I've set up a new mailman installation on a new Solaris 10 server. I am attempting to share out the mailman directory via NFS to another Solaris 10 server running apache for web maintenance purposes. Theoretically, this should work, but I'm getting the dreaded setuid execution not allowed error on my web server when I try to go to /mailman/listinfo or /mailman/admin. I have determined that mailman is being NFS mounted on the web server with the nosuid option and I can't for the life of me figure out how to make it mount with the suid option set.. I don't know the answer to that, but my guess is that it will be easier to find this answer than to work around it. So.. I'm wondering if there is a way around the whole setgid permission deal with mailman? I am not sure I really understand why it needs to be setgid and what would be the consequences of doing something alternative? The CGI wrappers are SETGID because Mailman's security model is entirely based on everything running with effective group 'mailman' and that group having permissions. And, if I were to remove the setgid bits, how would I set the permissions appropriately for both best security and accessibility? You might be able to 'mount' the NFS mailman tree on the web server with the setuid= or setgid= option on the mount command to set the user or group of the tree to be that of the web server. That way the web server would be able to read and write the Mailman tree, but there probably would be issues preventing this from working. I.e., the first thing I forsee is when the web admin interface updates a list, there is actually a creation of a config.pck.tmp.host.pid followed by renames of config.pck to config.pck.last and config.pck.tmp.host.pid to config.pck. Thus, the new config.pck might wind up with user:group of the web server rendering it unusable by the queue runners on the mail machine. Even if it worked, you would open the possibility of the web server having access to Mailman files without going through Mailman CGIs, thus opening security holes. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] alternative to setgid
on 5/4/09 5:44 PM, Mark Sapiro said: I have determined that mailman is being NFS mounted on the web server with the nosuid option and I can't for the life of me figure out how to make it mount with the suid option set.. I don't know the answer to that, but my guess is that it will be easier to find this answer than to work around it. That should be pretty simple. Just remove the nosuid option from the list of mount options. If there is no nosuid option in your list of mount options, then the filesystem is being exported as nosuid by the fileserver, and you'll have to talk to the administrator of the fileserver to see if they will change that for you. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests more than once a day ... What determines it?
On Mon, 04 May 2009 18:36:56 +0100, Edward Ned Harvey edward.har...@lyricsemiconductor.com wrote: Under what circumstances will a digest be created more than daily? If an individual message is large enough to trigger a digest. Is it configurable? Yes, in the 'Digest Options' of the list-admin interface. reegards, Malcolm. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Robots Tag
Thanks Brad. Any idea what I need to do to get index/follow into my archives html? John At 03:29 AM 5/2/2009, you wrote: Hello John, What exactly does the follow or nofollow part of it do? (no)follow tells spiders whether or not to follow links on your page. Of course, it applies *only* to your page, so the link can still be arrived at from external pages. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailman appends hostname to some address on mail list
I have been using mailman for several years with my current VPS provider. About a month ago I started getting complaints from users that they were not receiving e-mails. I have a spam problem with the server about the same time and contribute most of the undeliverable because of that. But the complaints became more frequent and I was able to give my service provider to provide me with the log files and I started to notice that when I sent an e-mail out to a mailing list say pare...@domian.com, that some of the log entries in the mail log would show the following: 2009-05-03 13:27:54 [20088] 1M0iHw-0005Dq-2U = pers...@pacbell.net F=parents-boun...@domian.com P=parents-boun...@domian.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp S=4894 H=pbimail2.prodigy.net [207.115.21.23]:25 C=250 2.0.0 n43KRqOE012511 Message accepted for delivery QT=2s DT=2s Which would deliver just fine while others would say: 2009-05-03 16:12:52 [20088] H=localhost (myhost.DOMAIN.com) [127.0.0.1]:45816 I=[127.0.0.1]:25 F=mailman-boun...@myhost.domain.com temporarily rejected RCPT pers...@sbcglobal.net: Could not complete sender verify Which of course were not deliverable but we're all part of the same mailing list. Has anybody seen this and what is the fix? My current environment is that I'm using a hosted VPS with Cpanel and don't have root access. My service provider claims not to support mailman any longer all through its still part of the Cpanel install. My version of Cpanel is 11.24.4-RELEASE and it appears that my mailman version is version 2.1.11.cp3. I'm trying to get a grasp on the exact issue so that I can provide my service provider with a way of fixing it and not request root access which then I lose all support from them. I appreciate any help in advance. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
