Re: [Mailman-Users] Robots Tag

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 02 May 2009 16:53:26 -0400
John Webb  wrote:

Hello John,

> Thanks Brad. Any idea what I need to do to get index/follow into my 

You're welcome.

> archives html?

Mark has answered that.  Which is great, 'coz I had no idea where to
look!   :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman appends hostname to some address on maillist

[Mark Sapiro]

Tom Tilmant wrote:

>I have been using mailman for several years with my current VPS provider.
>About a month ago I started getting complaints from users that they were not
>receiving e-mails. I have a spam problem with the server about the same time
>and contribute most of the undeliverable because of that. But the complaints
>became more frequent and I was able to give my service provider to provide
>me with the log files and I started to notice that when I sent an e-mail out
>to a mailing list say "pare...@domian.com", that some of the log entries in
>the mail log would show the following:
>
> 
>
>2009-05-03 13:27:54 [20088] 1M0iHw-0005Dq-2U => pers...@pacbell.net
>F= P= R=lookuphost
>T=remote_smtp S=4894 H=pbimail2.prodigy.net [207.115.21.23]:25 C="250 2.0.0
>n43KRqOE012511 Message accepted for delivery" QT=2s DT=2s


This looks like a normal message delivery from the 'parents' list to
pers...@pacbell.net


>Which would deliver just fine while others would say:
>
> 
>
>2009-05-03 16:12:52 [20088] H=localhost (myhost.DOMAIN.com)
>[127.0.0.1]:45816 I=[127.0.0.1]:25 F=
>temporarily rejected RCPT : Could not complete sender
>verify


This message is from the site list, not the 'parents' list. Such
messages are normally notices to list owners/moderators. If
pers...@sbcglobal.net is not an owner/moderator of some list and is
only a member of the 'parents' list, then I don't offhand know what's
happening.


>Which of course were not deliverable but we're all part of the same mailing
>list. Has anybody seen this and what is the fix? My current environment is
>that I'm using a hosted VPS with Cpanel and don't have root access.


Do you have access to Mailman's logs? If so, what's in the smtp and
smtp-failure logs? See the FAQ at  for a
discussion of why our ability to help is limited in this situation,
and for info on the location of files in a cPanel installation.

If you think the problem is the 'myhost' in
mailman-boun...@myhost.domain.com as opposed to the absence of
'myhost' in parents-boun...@domian.com, you may be able to fix that if
you have command line access to Mailman. You would need to run
'fix_url' on the 'mailman' list. In a normal, non-cPanel installation,
I think all that would be required is

cd path/to/mailman
bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mailman

Even simpler, if you can access the web admin interface for the
'mailman' list, you will probably find that host_name near the bottom
of the General Options page is set to myhost.DOMAIN.com and you can
simply change that to DOMAIN.com.


> My
>service provider claims not to support mailman any longer all through its
>still part of the Cpanel install.  My version of Cpanel is 11.24.4-RELEASE
>and it appears that my mailman version is version 2.1.11.cp3.  I'm trying to
>get a grasp on the exact issue so that I can provide my service provider
>with a way of fixing it and not request root access which then I lose all
>support from them. 


You can give them the above information, but as Brad already said, they
already aren't supporting you, at least as far as Mailman is concerned.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Robots Tag

[Mark Sapiro]

John Webb wrote:

>Thanks Brad. Any idea what I need to do to get index/follow into my 
>archives html?


See the FAQ at .

More specifically, assuming you're only concerned about English
language, find Mailman's templates/ directory.

Create templates/site/ and templates/site/en/ (these should be mode
drwxrwsr-x and group mailman).

Copy templates/en/article.html to templates/site/en/article.html.

Edit the META tag in templates/site/en/article.html.

If you have non-English language lists, do the same for the other
languages.

Stop Mailman.

Backup archives.

Rebuild archives - e.g.

#! /bin/sh
cd /path/to/mailman
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` ; do
  bin/arch --wipe $list
done

Start Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests more than once a day ... Whatdetermines it?

[Mark Sapiro]

Malcolm Austen wrote:

>On Mon, 04 May 2009 18:36:56 +0100, Edward Ned Harvey  
> wrote:
>
>> Under what circumstances will a digest be created more than daily?
>
>If an individual message is large enough to trigger a digest.


More precisely, if a message arrives which when added to all the prior,
not-yet-digested messages, results in a pending digest greater than
digest_size_threshhold.

Thus, a digest can be triggered by a single large message or by a
number of smaller messages. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-ASCII signs in welcome text

[Mark Sapiro]

Hendrik Maryns wrote:
>
>Indeed.  The problem is that Mailman assumes a list is English by
>default.  If I create a new list, I start editing its settings.  What
>you see first, is the welcome message etc.  Only afterwards, I click
>through to the language settings and change it to German.  This causes
>the problem.
>
>So a useful RFE would be to either not assume English, or to ask for the
>language at setup (or at first administrator login, since often a
>sysadmin will create the list and then hand it over to the list admin).


It's already there - see the documentation for DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE
in Defaults.py.

Set

DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'de'

in mm_cfg.py and lists will be created with German as their
preferred_language.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry S. Finkel wrote:

>There has been some discussion (that I will not quote) about various
>linux Mailman packages.  I built a 2.1.12 package for Ubuntu based on
>the SourceForge source and the Debian/Ubuntu 2.1.9 package.  At that
>time there were too many Debian patches that were undocumented.
>Last week I decided to look at the Ubuntu 2.1.12 package for the
>"jaunty" release, and I found fewer patches.  The patch log file
>mentioned that all of the patches had been reviewed by Mark Sapiro,
>so I assume that the remaining patches are needed to fix bugs.  I
>assume that Mark has these remaining patches and will include them in
>the next release of Mailman.  I have not yet finished reviewing the
>patches, but the ones I have reviewed look to me like fixes for bugs.


Yes, I did look at the 2.1.11 Debian patch set and send some comments
back to Debian.

I have just looked briefly at the 2.1.12 patch set at
. (Note
that these URLs are unstable - if this one doesn't work, go to
 and find the current link
in the mailman entry.)

A number of these patches address Debian specific packaging issues and
are not relevant in a generic install from source.

A very few address possible bugs that are obscure and which I didn't
have time to investigate thoroughly before the 2.1.12 release.

At least 1 patch is wrong.

is intended to fix the bug . The bug
report is valid, but the patch doesn't fix it. The patch moves the
wrong thing in the templates.

Some of these patches (including a corrected
64_correct_html_nesting.patch) have already been comitted on the 2.2
branch. Others may be put in 2.2 prior to release, but many of them
simply aren't relevant to the source distribution.

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